Nader seems to have views mroe like you leftist on this board...

[John Gault]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/

Well except for his shots at Obama...

[Trueblue]

Get your story straight, John. :lmao

[Yellowdogtexan]

You got to be kidding. No one has paid attention to Nader for a long while. He was not even on the ballot in many key states last time and will have a hard time this time getting onto the ballot.

Here is the response from the Obama campaign to this silliness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJqxL4FvZk

[issac the dragon]

If we all ignore him he will go away. It has been working and will work again.

[Saguaro]

Isn't Nader even older than McCain ?

[Lone Laugher]

JG...can you please define leftist.

[Saguaro]

A leftist is anyone who doesn't agree with him.

[wvpeach]

Do you mean Nadar seems more moral than you right wing murders?

Okay , I agree John.

[BartonX]

Do you mean Nadar seems more moral than you right wing murders?

Okay , I agree John.

You said murders, and what you should have said was "murderers", for it to have any real effect. Now you have blown it and your insult lost all of its meaning as surely as a balloon deflates when you let the hot air out of it. Are you the victim of deflation?

I really long for the days when people could be content in knowing that you can't believe everything you read. Now it is so horrible there is no newpaper in the land where we can read what we believe!!! That's scarey :yep

[wvpeach]

I don't care what you call yourself Barton. Murder, killer, exterminator , call yourself what you will. Its all means the same and serves the same purpose in the end. Innocent men women and children die because of people like you.

Maybe a more correct title for your ilk would be a death advocate.

[Cookie Parker]

You said murders, and what you should have said was "murderers", for it to have any real effect. Now you have blown it and your insult lost all of its meaning as surely as a balloon deflates when you let the hot air out of it. Are you the victim of deflation?

I really long for the days when people could be content in knowing that you can't believe everything you read. Now it is so horrible there is no newpaper in the land where we can read what we believe!!! That's scarey :yep

Now, you're catching on...repubs don't want the truth out..you need to read foreign sources, as the corporate elite media here fills you with as much lies and crap as the FAUX News reports with their sex in the city comments to each other.

By jove, gang, I think he's getting it...Houston, we have passed the clouds.

[wvpeach]

Don't count on it cookie.

Trust me Barton is not getting any or anything. That is why he spends so much of his time preoccupied with sex talk. Maybe we should all pitch in and hire him a hooker he might at least be more reasonable if he gets some .

[John Gault]

JG...can you please define leftist.

Obama

[John Gault]

A leftist is anyone who doesn't agree with him.

No, actually ity is anyone who :

Thinks it is better to kill the baby and save the killer

Thinks the second amentment is the only one of the BOR that refers to a group right not an individual right.

Thinks that we are undertaxed (even the wealthy)

Thinks those with wealth have an obligation to anyone but themselves and their families (look up the meaning of obligation before your head explodes)

Thinks that wanting to tax me more is ok but me wanting to keep more of what I earn is greedy.

Thinks that government is not too big.

Thinks that social security is a good idea and a fiscally viable program.

Thinks that empathy has anything to do with interpreting the constitution.

Thinks that socialised national healthcare is a good idea.

Thinks that we should care what people in other countries think about how we choose to use energy we pay for.

Thinks that government is the reason for this countries success more so than the people who have made it so.



That's enough, I think you get the point now.

[John Gault]

Do you mean Nadar seems more moral than you right wing murders?

Okay , I agree John.

I do not see where being moral has anything to do with the politcis of the left or the right. Moral is moral. What's your point other than a baseless attack on people you don't know.

[John Gault]

I don't care what you call yourself Barton. Murder, killer, exterminator , call yourself what you will. Its all means the same and serves the same purpose in the end. Innocent men women and children die because of people like you.

Maybe a more correct title for your ilk would be a death advocate.

Sorry but your wrong (wow how unusual) murder and kill are very different both in definition and in the law.

I may kill someone who is attacking me. It is murder if I kill someone who is no threat to me or another at the time I kill them.

There, that was simple wasn't it.

Oh, sorry that does not fit in with your ad hominem attack, does it?

[Saguaro]

No, actually ity is anyone who :

Thinks it is better to kill the baby and save the killer

Thinks the second amentment is the only one of the BOR that refers to a group right not an individual right.

Thinks that we are undertaxed (even the wealthy)

Thinks those with wealth have an obligation to anyone but themselves and their families (look up the meaning of obligation before your head explodes)

Thinks that wanting to tax me more is ok but me wanting to keep more of what I earn is greedy.

Thinks that government is not too big.

Thinks that social security is a good idea and a fiscally viable program.

Thinks that empathy has anything to do with interpreting the constitution.

Thinks that socialised national healthcare is a good idea.

Thinks that we should care what people in other countries think about how we choose to use energy we pay for.

Thinks that government is the reason for this countries success more so than the people who have made it so.



That's enough, I think you get the point now.

I don't know anyone who fits your definitions of a leftist

[John Gault]

I don't know anyone who fits your definitions of a leftist

Sure you do, your going to vote for him for president.

You do not have to believe every one of those just most of them.

I beleive Zero of them.

Most of you on this board fit the tag.

Why don't you cut and paste the ones you don't believe reflect your views.

Then cut and paste the ones you don't think are Obama's views?

[Trueblue]

It's hyperbole, JG. That's the problem with your list.

[Saguaro]

The problem with your list is YOU ,and you apparently have no idea at all.

[John Gault]

It's hyperbole, JG. That's the problem with your list.

Do you deny that you agree with nearly every one of them, if not all of them?

Nice try at deflection, try again.

[John Gault]

The problem with your list is YOU ,and you apparently have no idea at all.

So you can't find any you disagree with?

[John Gault]

Lets frame them in more flatering terms:

Thinks it is better to kill the baby and save the killer

Is for legal abortion and also supports the procedure opponents call Partial birth abortion.

Thinks the second amentment is the only one of the BOR that refers to a group right not an individual right.

Thinks the second amenment is a group right related to membership in a malitia.

Thinks that we are undertaxed (even the wealthy)

Is for higher taxes, especially on the wealthy. While not defined, Obama has said taxes will not increase on a 'family' making less than 250k. Of course for those not married that , most likely, means over 125k.

Thinks those with wealth have an obligation to anyone but themselves and their families (look up the meaning of obligation before your head explodes)

Thinks that the wealthy have an obligation to fund government programs without reguard to what they think. By obligation I mean forced by the police powers of the government to 'contribute' a progressive fair share.

Thinks that wanting to tax me more is ok but me wanting to keep more of what I earn is greedy.

That raising taxes on me to pay for things they want is just fine. But If I propose keeping more of what I earn, I wm greedy.

Thinks that government is not too big.

Thinks that the government needs to grow further by doing things like national healthcare, further regulations on business etc.

Thinks that social security is a good idea and a fiscally viable program.

Thinks that Social Security is viable without massive increases in taxes, massive decreases in Benefits or some combination of both. Thinks that the 'SS Trust' fund actually exists as a tangible asset to ne sold to pay benefits.

Thinks that empathy has anything to do with interpreting the constitution.

Thinks that empathy should be a primary trait when interpreting the constitution. Personally I would prefer that they read the Federalist papers and the writings of Madison, Washington, Hamilton and Jefferson for guidance.

Thinks that socialised national healthcare is a good idea.

Given how well the government runs the state welfare programs and medicare programs, they they could run a national program without bankrupting us or severly restricting available healthcare.

Thinks that we should care what people in other countries think about how we choose to use energy we pay for.

Obama said this, if you agree, I consider you a leftist.

Thinks that government is the reason for this countries success more so than the people who have made it so.

Thinks that the government is the central reason for the success of the nation, rather than the people.

What of those do you not consider your way of thinking?

Is it that hard to answer.

You asked what I considered leftist, I answered, and you are afraid to comment?

[Saguaro]

I refuse to argue with an unarmed person.

[John Gault]

I refuse to argue with an unarmed person.

Cute, so you agree with every one of them, don't you?

You won't argue with someone you can't beat.

I understand I would not want to go up against me either holding the weak hand you do.

[Trueblue]

Thanks for being more honest.

Lets frame them in more flatering terms:



Is for legal abortion and also supports the procedure opponents call Partial birth abortion.

No one "supports" that procedure, the problem has always been an exemption to preserve the life and health, including reproductive health, of the mother.



Thinks the second amenment is a group right related to membership in a malitia.

I do believe that was the intent. They came from a nation where being armed was a right conferred by the crown, I believe. For example, do you really believe that they intended black men to have guns? Considering they were only 3/5's of a person? :roll



Is for higher taxes, especially on the wealthy. While not defined, Obama has said taxes will not increase on a 'family' making less than 250k. Of course for those not married that , most likely, means over 125k.

Yes, I think this is fine.

Thinks that the wealthy have an obligation to fund government programs without reguard to what they think. By obligation I mean forced by the police powers of the government to 'contribute' a progressive fair share.

I have asked you many times to name a government that did not enforce its own tax laws, and I've never received an answer.

The fair share of each is determined by compromise in the Congress. Neither you nor I is entirely happy. It's called life.

Yes, I agree with a progressive taxation system.



That raising taxes on me to pay for things they want is just fine. But If I propose keeping more of what I earn, I wm greedy.

Not necessarily.

Thinks that the government needs to grow further by doing things like national healthcare, further regulations on business etc.


We are in an extended period of deregulation, and you see the results.

As for health care, yes, I believe that 100% coverage is something we should be working towards.

Thinks that Social Security is viable without massive increases in taxes, massive decreases in Benefits or some combination of both. Thinks that the 'SS Trust' fund actually exists as a tangible asset to ne sold to pay benefits.


Re the first part: There are numerous viable SS proposals. Re the second part: :roll

Thinks that empathy should be a primary trait when interpreting the constitution. Personally I would prefer that they read the Federalist papers and the writings of Madison, Washington, Hamilton and Jefferson for guidance.



I think that empathy is necessary in justice. Without empathy, there can be none.



Given how well the government runs the state welfare programs and medicare programs, they they could run a national program without bankrupting us or severly restricting available healthcare.

I think that it is doable, yes.

Thinks that the government is the central reason for the success of the nation, rather than the people.


A silly statement. The government IS the people.

What of those do you not consider your way of thinking?

Is it that hard to answer.

You asked what I considered leftist, I answered, and you are afraid to comment?

Nobody wants to participate in your set-ups, that's all.

[Saguaro]

Cisco, your ego gets in the way of any debate with you .You think you know it all,and you don't. You know computers, that's great .

Want to start a conversation about microbiology ?

[Trueblue]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/quote_of_the_day_vice_presiden.php