Climate Justice!!!??? WTF

[John Gault]

I have repeated said that the Global warming (recently morphed into climate change because during the winter no one believes them) people were all about being anti-capitalist since the old Soviet Union was no longer there as a base for it.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1


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"We must have climate justice. As an international community, we must recognise that the polluter must pay and not the poor and vulnerable," said Annan at the first high-level meeting of his new humanitarian forum.

Climate Justice? What the F**K is that? Oh, I know, another scheme by the rest of the America hating world to try to get us to give them money. F them.

[Trueblue]

I have repeated said that the Global warming (recently morphed into climate change because during the winter no one believes them) people were all about being anti-capitalist since the old Soviet Union was no longer there as a base for it.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1


Quote:
"We must have climate justice. As an international community, we must recognise that the polluter must pay and not the poor and vulnerable," said Annan at the first high-level meeting of his new humanitarian forum.

Climate Justice? What the F**K is that? Oh, I know, another scheme by the rest of the America hating world to try to get us to give them money. F them.

Imagine the stupidity of someone who believes that because it gets colder in the winter, there is no global warming.

Climate justice means recognizing that the rest of the world matters, too.

[John Gault]

Imagine the stupidity of someone who believes that because it gets colder in the winter, there is no global warming.

Climate justice means recognizing that the rest of the world matters, too.

No, it means another vehicle for the socialist to steal the wealth of others and redistribute it.

PS I give a flying Fu*k what the rest of the world thinks.

[Trueblue]

No, it means another vehicle for the socialist to steal the wealth of others and redistribute it.

PS I give a flying Fu*k what the rest of the world thinks.

And you prefer that unrestrained capitalism steal the wealth of others and distribute it to themselves.

[John Gault]

And you prefer that unrestrained capitalism steal the wealth of others and distribute it to themselves.

That statement shows that you not only don't understand capitalism but that you are a socialist fool.

Capitalism does not steal, it builds wealth for it's investors and workers. If I own a company and it is within the law and makes a profit, is it your assertion I am stealing?

What a foolish and ignorant statement. But so typical of a Marxist.

[Trueblue]

That statement shows that you not only don't understand capitalism but that you are a socialist fool.

Capitalism does not steal, it builds wealth for it's investors and workers. If I own a company and it is within the law and makes a profit, is it your assertion I am stealing?

What a foolish and ignorant statement. But so typical of a Marxist.

Capitalism often steals, through collusion to keep prices high, to keep wages low, through insider trading, through unfair labor practices, and through board members voting themselves or the CEO and higher officials raise and benefit packages while laying off workers.

It is my assertion that you do not understand what you're talking about, and thus cannot possibly understand what I'm talking about.

[John Gault]

Capitalism often steals, through collusion to keep prices high, to keep wages low, through insider trading, through unfair labor practices, and through board members voting themselves or the CEO and higher officials raise and benefit packages while laying off workers.

It is my assertion that you do not understand what you're talking about, and thus cannot possibly understand what I'm talking about.

You act like the criminal behavior of a few is the norm. You are wrong. I guess you prefer the way it is done In China?

Or better Europe with their double digit inflation and unemployment , oh lets not forget the 8 dollars a gallon gas.

[Trueblue]

You act like the criminal behavior of a few is the norm. You are wrong. I guess you prefer the way it is done In China?

Or better Europe with their double digit inflation and unemployment , oh lets not forget the 8 dollars a gallon gas.

I act like it is common practice. Because it is. As for the rest of your statement, it is your usual straw man.

[issac the dragon]

John are you of the opinion that polluters should not have to pay for what they do? Why? And if not the polluters, who?

Just exactly what do you mean? If I dump my garbage in my neighbors back yard, why would you feel he should pay to clean up my mess? Does it depend on rather I'm worth more financially than he is? If I'm richer, he has to clean it up? If an oil tanker dumps millions of gallons of oil on the beach in my neighbor hood, why would the oil company not be required to clean it up? If an coal burning electric company fouls up the air, should the neighbor across the border have to pay to fix the problem? Why exacty do you think rich countries and companies can pollute with impunity and the poor pay to do the cleanup? That's no capitalism. That is exploitation.

[Saguaro]

:paclap

[matrixx8]

I have repeated said that the Global warming (recently morphed into climate change because during the winter no one believes them) people were all about being anti-capitalist since the old Soviet Union was no longer there as a base for it.
I think I can answer that one.


MYTH: (http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011) Recent cold winters and cool summers don’t feel like global warming to me.

FACT: While different pockets of the country have experienced some cold winters here and there, the overall trend is warmer winters.

Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions. Climate skeptics mislead the public when they claim that the winter of 2003–2004 was the coldest ever in the northeastern United States. That winter was only the 33rd coldest in the region since records began in 1896. Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1

I couldn't get this link to work.

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"We must have climate justice. As an international community, we must recognise that the polluter must pay and not the poor and vulnerable," said Annan at the first high-level meeting of his new humanitarian forum.

Climate Justice? What the F**K is that? Oh, I know, another scheme by the rest of the America hating world to try to get us to give them money. F them.
It appears that the definition you seek is implicit in the citation you list. Climate injustice, according o Koffie Annan, is the exploitation of natural resources by wealthy nations at the expense of poorer nations.

As for the rest of the world "hating" the USA, I would remind you that after 9-11 the French newspaper, Le Mond Diplomatique summed up the overall feeling in the world with the headline, Maintenant, nous sommes tous Americains.

Only later, with the unjustified invasion of Iraq, did public opinion turn against the Bush Administration -- not the American people.

I think you're stretching your example to make a doubtful point.

[Trueblue]

I think I can answer that one.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1

I couldn't get this link to work.


It appears that the definition you seek is implicit in the citation you list. Climate injustice, according o Koffie Annan, is the exploitation of natural resources by wealthy nations at the expense of poorer nations.

As for the rest of the world "hating" the USA, I would remind you that after 9-11 the French newspaper, Le Mond Diplomatique summed up the overall feeling in the world with the headline, Maintenant, nous sommes tous Americains.

Only later, with the unjustified invasion of Iraq, did public opinion turn against the Bush Administration -- not the American people.

I think you're stretching your example to make a doubtful point.

Good post.

[toxic]

You act like the criminal behavior of a few is the norm. You are wrong. I guess you prefer the way it is done In China?
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Bullshit.

TB mentioned corporations keeping wages low.

Large corporations share salary data and collectively conspire to fix wages.

There is no law that prevents it. You cannot fix prices, but you can fix wages.

Oracle Peoplesoft is one of the tools used.

Generally corporations conspire with other companies in their own line of business. Since those alternate companies are where their employees would go if they were seeking a wage increase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeopleSoft

[Yellowdogtexan]

Imagine the stupidity of someone who believes that because it gets colder in the winter, there is no global warming.

Climate justice means recognizing that the rest of the world matters, too.The IPCC has spoken and the science is clear. The flat earth society believers may not accept the science but no one really cares about their opinions. Even bush and the SCOTUS have accepted the reality of global warming.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Cappy, you are in a heap of trouble. One of these lawsuits is being brought by Steve Susman. Here is a good interview of Steve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKwCpD1U64E Steve is one of the best trial lawyers in the US and his firm is one of the top trial firms in the country. Steve gets over $1,000 per hour when works on hourly matters.

The analysis on this clip is good. The case has merit and should go to trial. When attorneys like Steve take a case, watch out.

BTW, Steve throws one heck of a holiday party every year.

[Cookie Parker]

I have repeated said that the Global warming (recently morphed into climate change because during the winter no one believes them) people were all about being anti-capitalist since the old Soviet Union was no longer there as a base for it.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1


Quote:
"We must have climate justice. As an international community, we must recognise that the polluter must pay and not the poor and vulnerable," said Annan at the first high-level meeting of his new humanitarian forum.

Climate Justice? What the F**K is that? Oh, I know, another scheme by the rest of the America hating world to try to get us to give them money. F them.

It means that American corporations must act under environmental laws of an international basis....ask Mexico about the pollutants the American corporations left behind. You cannot rape and pillage and cause disease to people you pay slave wages to. You have not that RIGHT to harm someone's health in the name of you making a buck. It's not Christian; it's not American; and it's not going to be tolerated anymore by the world.

Get used to it. The numbers who worship the wealthy are falling away. Truth be known, the wealthy have lost control. Onto more intelligent and reasonable heads running this earth.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Here is a transcript of the intereview with Steve Susman http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/3/groundbreaking_lawsuit_accuses_big_oil_of The fact that Steve took this case means that it has merit and that cappy's rant was again off base. Steve is one of the top trial attorneys in the country

[Wabash]

Capitalism often steals, through collusion to keep prices high, to keep wages low, through insider trading, through unfair labor practices, and through board members voting themselves or the CEO and higher officials raise and benefit packages while laying off workers. Sure that happens at times...but it is NOT the norm!

It is my assertion that you do not understand what you're talking about, and thus cannot possibly understand what I'm talking about.
I rarely can understand what you are talking about TB, because it is peppered with socialist and Marksist drivel!

You act like the criminal behavior of a few is the norm. You are wrong. I guess you prefer the way it is done In China?

Or better Europe with their double digit inflation and unemployment , oh lets not forget the 8 dollars a gallon gas.
$10 now in England! That's what it will be here thanks to the Left blocking any and all drilling and or refining!

I act like it is common practice. Because it is. As for the rest of your statement, it is your usual straw man.
No TB...IT IS NOT!!

John are you of the opinion that polluters should not have to pay for what they do? Why? And if not the polluters, who?

Just exactly what do you mean? If I dump my garbage in my neighbors back yard, why would you feel he should pay to clean up my mess? Does it depend on rather I'm worth more financially than he is? If I'm richer, he has to clean it up? If an oil tanker dumps millions of gallons of oil on the beach in my neighbor hood, why would the oil company not be required to clean it up? If an coal burning electric company fouls up the air, should the neighbor across the border have to pay to fix the problem? Why exacty do you think rich countries and companies can pollute with impunity and the poor pay to do the cleanup? That's no capitalism. That is exploitation.
Good post and you are right on a case by case basis, bit the UN wants to paint with a very broad brush and I say screw the UN and Get US Out of that Communist agenda!

The IPCC has spoken and the science is clear. The flat earth society believers may not accept the science but no one really cares about their opinions. Even bush and the SCOTUS have accepted the reality of global warming.
Sure they have...and it's real, it's just not man made per se, it is cyclical in nature!

It means that American corporations must act under environmental laws of an international basis....ask Mexico about the pollutants the American corporations left behind. You cannot rape and pillage and cause disease to people you pay slave wages to. You have not that RIGHT to harm someone's health in the name of you making a buck. It's not Christian; it's not American; and it's not going to be tolerated anymore by the world.

Get used to it. The numbers who worship the wealthy are falling away. Truth be known, the wealthy have lost control. Onto more intelligent and reasonable heads running this earth.
Sorry on two counts here Cookie......I for one, do not worship any mortal! The wealthy will NEVER lose control, because they control ALL the money in the world! The Bankers will always be in control until Armageddon!
Furthermore, let me suggest that Kofi "The Marksist" need go after China and India before going after the USA!!! Those two will tell Kofi "The Marksist" to Fuck Off! So, what does he do? Why go after an easier target, where Commie sympathizers abound....the USA!
Tell me this Cookie....How in the Hell did China get permission from the IOC to host these or any other Olympics? Their massive pollution and human rights violations should have precluded ANY nod toward Olymics!

Cappy, you are in a heap of trouble. One of these lawsuits is being brought by Steve Susman. Here is a good interview of Steve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKwCpD1U64E Steve is one of the best trial lawyers in the US and his firm is one of the top trial firms in the country. Steve gets over $1,000 per hour when works on hourly matters.

The analysis on this clip is good. The case has merit and should go to trial. When attorneys like Steve take a case, watch out.

BTW, Steve throws one heck of a holiday party every year.

BFD doggie...is this the guy YOU worship?

Here is a transcript of the intereview with Steve Susman http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/3/groundbreaking_lawsuit_accuses_big_oil_of The fact that Steve took this case means that it has merit and that cappy's rant was again off base. Steve is one of the top trial attorneys in the country

Doggie is here...! Too funny!!!!!

How many years will Susman and the defendants be tied up in court? How much will the cost of this trial INCREASE our costs at the pumps????
How much has Susman made in his career....another Rich, huh doggie?

[Cookie Parker]

No, it means another vehicle for the socialist to steal the wealth of others and redistribute it.

PS I give a flying Fu*k what the rest of the world thinks.

Show me the link to this. You spew it often, and yet I can find nothing on it.

Also, who can steal from the wealthy? So far, their corporate welfare under the communist rule of thumb, Bush, has them bigger welfare recipients of your tax dollars than any social program we have...just start with Halliburton monies in Iraq....we are at war...WTF is a corporation doing in the middle of a war?

[Cookie Parker]

Tell me this Cookie....How in the Hell did China get permission from the IOC to host these or any other Olympics? Their massive pollution and human rights violations should have precluded ANY nod toward Olymics!

Need to ask Bush that one...the entire republican party has watered down our pollution laws so much we are always sick..and look at the poisoning of foods and drugs the FDA allows in from China.

Bush loves communism...he gets to be a dictator under communism...look for the republican party to turn us all into communists before long.

[Yellowdogtexan]

How much has Susman made in his career....another Rich, huh doggie?Again, the man charges and collects over $1,000 per hour. The average profits per partner at this firm is over $1.5 to $2 million per partner and Steve gets more than way more than the average partner. Steve is probably worth a couple of hundred million dollars.

Steve's firm forced Microsoft to settle several cases. After one case, he took all of the lawyers and paralegals on the team to Tahiti on the firm.

[Yellowdogtexan]

A former coward of a poster posted this thread. It is one of the most ignorant and silly threads that I have seen. Basically an ignorant layperson is complaining that mean old lawyers are using the courts to deal with damages caused by global warming. That is an appropriate use for the courts.

One of these mean lawyers pushing one of these law suits is Steve Susman who is one of the countries top trial lawyers. The fact that Steve took this case means that it has merit and I predict that Steve is going to find some really interesting things about global warming in the files of Exxon and the energy companies in discovery.

I am amused that this silly poster is gone (but may be back). In any event, this remains one of the dumbest threads that I have seen.

[ReclusiveGrub]

A former coward of a poster posted this thread. It is one of the most ignorant and silly threads that I have seen. Basically an ignorant layperson is complaining that mean old lawyers are using the courts to deal with damages caused by global warming. That is an appropriate use for the courts.

One of these mean lawyers pushing one of these law suits is Steve Susman who is one of the countries top trial lawyers. The fact that Steve took this case means that it has merit and I predict that Steve is going to find some really interesting things about global warming in the files of Exxon and the energy companies in discovery.

I am amused that this silly poster is gone (but may be back). In any event, this remains one of the dumbest threads that I have seen.


If you think that I am that person you are referring to, then you had better quit pissing on your own leg because it isn't me. I have never posted here under another name and did not get this link to the forum until several weeks ago.

[Yellowdogtexan]

We will see. In any event, what do you think of this rather stupid thread? The concept that someone is dumb enough to be offended because lawyers are pursing global warming claims is amusing to me.

The SCOTUS has ruled that global warming is real. Steve Susman is going to get to conduct discovery of the files of the major oil companies just as was done with the tobacco companies and expects to find some fun material. Steve has a great set of facts to litigate the facts of global warming and this lawsuit should be fun to watch.

Of course facts and reality do not matter to silly and foolish global warming deniers but they are so silly and out of touch that it is a waste of time to deal with such silly and clueless people

[ReclusiveGrub]

We will see. In any event, what do you think of this rather stupid thread? The concept that someone is dumb enough to be offended because lawyers are pursing global warming claims is amusing to me.

The SCOTUS has ruled that global warming is real. Steve Susman is going to get to conduct discovery of the files of the major oil companies just as was done with the tobacco companies and expects to find some fun material. Steve has a great set of facts to litigate the facts of global warming and this lawsuit should be fun to watch.

Of course facts and reality do not matter to silly and foolish global warming deniers but they are so silly and out of touch that it is a waste of time to deal with such silly and clueless people


I think most lawyers should be hung myself, and yes this is a stupid thread because global warming is shit and Gore is preaching false information.

[Trueblue]

I think most lawyers should be hung myself, and yes this is a stupid thread because global warming is shit and Gore is preaching false information.

You're wrong. :shrug

[Yellowdogtexan]

Oh boy, another global warming denier. Be careful that you do not walk off the edge of the earth (btw, the earth is not flat). Global warming is real. The SCOTUS has already issued one opinion holding that man made global warming is real and called the EPA to task for not regulating greenhouse gases. Susman would not take this case if he was not comfortable with the science.

[ReclusiveGrub]

Oh boy, another global warming denier. Be careful that you do not walk off the edge of the earth (btw, the earth is not flat). Global warming is real. The SCOTUS has already issued one opinion holding that man made global warming is real and called the EPA to task for not regulating greenhouse gases. Susman would not take this case if he was not comfortable with the science.


OK if man is causing all this Global Warming crap, then why is Mars warming? Is it the probes we sent?

[Trueblue]

OK if man is causing all this Global Warming crap, then why is Mars warming? Is it the probes we sent?

That has been answered on this forum before, repeatedly, and with finality.

[ReclusiveGrub]

That has been answered on this forum before, repeatedly, and with finality.


Well I am not going through these pages and find it.

[ReclusiveGrub]

Just answer the question. Did man cause the Glabal warming on Mars.

The Earth is just going through another warming period which it has before.

[Trueblue]

Just answer the question. Did man cause the Glabal warming on Mars.

The Earth is just going through another warming period which it has before.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070404-mars-warming.html

Human activity is accelerating warming to a point that is dangerous for human survival.

That human activity is causing the current rapid warming is no longer a matter of dispute.

What's Known

Scientists know with virtual certainty that:

* Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
* The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
* An “unequivocal” warming trend of about 1.0 to 1.7°F occurred from 1906-2005. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (IPCC, 2007).
* The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
* Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet.


http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html

[ReclusiveGrub]

The True Cause of Global Warming


As part of the earth changes I envision taking place, I think what is happening in part is that the shift in the Earth's pole from its current incline of 23.5 degrees to its eventual shift to zero point or true magnetic north is resulting in climate change across the planet as the entire Earth is subjected to more direct heat from the sun and less seasonal inclination of the Earth's axis, which means that global warming has nothing to do with greenhouse gases. This has been a ruse of the establishment academics to divert our attention from the real cause, which is the incremental changes in weather resulting from the pole shift that is already underway.
The result of the Earth receiving more direct rays from the sun is that the poles are melting, simultaneously leading to higher sea levels. As the continental shelf of ice recedes in Alaska, the Antarctic, and Greenland, we are seeing a lightening of the ice shelves on the landmasses weighed down by them. The effect of this most poignantly is that the great continental landmass of Antarctica is springing back into position above sea level. Increased tectonic, earthquake and icequake activity are the result. Also, as the weight of ice on Antarctica recedes, the continental weight of the Antarctic shelf also lightens, allowing fault lines dormant for centuries to move and slide. This is causing increased earthquake activity on a global scale. The resulting effect is of course increased tsunami activity. The recent spate of seismic disturbances to hit Indonesia are one such example and the resulting tsunamis that have inundated Sri Lanka are but the first of a wave of such disasters that will begin to affect the world with increasing violence as the frequency and intensity of these events continues to grow.
We had better strap on our seatbelts because the problem is not about to go away. The Pentagon white paper of early 2004 leaked to the Guardian newspaper in England warned about such future earth change-related events. This is but the first in what is likely to prove one of the most serious early effects of the pole shift. Milutin Milankovitch, a Serbian astronomer of the nineteenth century charted these changes in the incline of the Earth's polar axis and realized they were instrumental in precipitating the glacial and interglacial periods affecting the northern hemisphere, where most of the earth's landmass and accompanying human population are concentrated. This coupled with changes in the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit around the sun result in changes leading to longer winters and shorter summers, leading in turn to a buildup of ice and snow precipitating a glacial advance known as an ice age, or the reverse—longer summers and shorter winters, resulting in a glacial retreat known as an interglacial period.
These ice ages and interglacial periods could be equated with season change on a more cosmic scale, season change in cosmic time if you like. In other words, an ice age could be conceived as a more protracted winter period of gestation and rest when the entire Earth is slumbering and in hibernation for the next period of evolutionary development on the planet. In other words, an ice age resulting from the Earth's pole shifting the landmasses of the northern hemisphere away from the sun's warmth dispensing light in addition to a more eccentric elliptical orbit around the sun, produces the kind of accumulated buildup of ice and snow over an Earth year precipitating those conditions leading to a glacial advance to more southern climbs. The reverse is true when the Earth's axis inclines toward the sun at a period coinciding with a protracted summer period in cosmic time. This leads to a buildup of heat and a retreat of wintertime ice and snow, so that the glacial ice of the ice age recedes, precipitating a thaw or spring in cosmic time, bringing an end to the ice age.
In summary, the Earth is entering a period of less intense annual season change resulting from a gradual shift of the Earth's pole to true magnetic north. This means that the entire surface of the Earth is receiving more direct light from the sun, raising temperatures worldwide including the frozen north. This in turn is precipitating a meltdown of the polar icecaps, leading to higher sea levels in turn. Rising seas coincide with a lightening of the continental ice shelf weighing down the landmasses of the Arctic, the frozen northern islands of Canada and the northern wastes of northern Russia and Europe. More importantly, the tremendous weight of ice, previously depressing Antarctica beneath sea level, has allowed the continent of Antarctica to emerge from hibernation and rise once again from its protracted period of suspended animation. The resulting climate change has sponsored an increase of quake activity on Antarctica, whose tectonic plates are no longer held in place by the great weight of ice. Simultaneously, there is occurring increased plate movement along the ocean floors as the weight once holding them in place is removed. Increased quake activity worldwide in accompaniment with rising seas does not bode well. One does not need to be a prophet to see what's coming. An informed mind and a modicum of common sense is all that is required.



http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/164900.php


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What is the True Nature of the Global Warming Scare?

What is the true nature of the global warming scare? Why, in the face of all the new information, are the global warming alarmists still insisting that humans are the cause of global climate change?

One possible answer is power. Power to control you and power over your life.

At the “Live Earth” concert in America, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. makes a very interesting revelation about the true nature of the current global warming scare. He said “It is more important then buying compact fluorescent light bulbs or then buy a fuel efficient automobile the most important thing you can do is to get involved in the political process and get rid of all these rotten politicians that we have in Washington DC.”

If humans are truly to blame for global warming, why is it more important to get involved with politics then it is to make simple changes such as compact fluorescent bulbs and energy efficient cars? Wasn’t the whole point of “Live Earth” to “educate” us “on the looming catastrophe of global climate change” and “simple changes we can make to limit our carbon footprint?”*

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. further went on to say that all scientists that are skeptical are “crooked scientists that are lying to the American people day after day after day.” I guess he must mean that all the independent scientists that have come out with studies contradicting the hypothesis of human emissions of CO2 are causing climate change are some how in the pocket of American companies and American politicians? That is a really big conspericy.


http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/07/what-is-true-nature-of-global-warming.html

[ReclusiveGrub]

http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2/bayreuth/NY20081e.jpg

[Trueblue]

Grub, it's been determined that the current warming is from human activity. It's not really up for debate at this point.

[ReclusiveGrub]

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf



Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm#) brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.



As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

[Trueblue]

You can find lots of crap, yes. You can post it, yes. But can you dispute the scientific reality? No, you can't.

[ReclusiveGrub]

You can find lots of crap, yes. You can post it, yes. But can you dispute the scientific reality? No, you can't.


My last post WAS scientific proof.........

[Trueblue]

My last post WAS scientific proof.........

No, it wasn't. It was spin.

I have to get to work, and as I said, we've all been down this path before.

Read what the EPA said.

[ReclusiveGrub]

No, it wasn't. It was spin.

I have to get to work, and as I said, we've all been down this path before.

Read what the EPA said.


Got proof of a spin? Got any scientific links?

[Trueblue]

Got proof of a spin? Got any scientific links?

I gave you the EPA link. The EPA doesn't have the time or resources to rebut all the idiocy on the internet.

[ReclusiveGrub]

I gave you the EPA link. The EPA doesn't have the time or resources to rebut all the idiocy on the internet.


Interesting though how your posted source says this.....

Future Climate Change


Greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere will increase during the next century unless greenhouse gas emissions (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/index.html) decrease substantially from present levels. Increased greenhouse gas concentrations are very likely to raise the Earth's average temperature, influence precipitation and some storm patterns as well as raise sea levels (IPCC, 2007 (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/futurecc.html#ref)). The magnitude of these changes, however, is uncertain.
The amount and speed of future climate change will ultimately depend on:

Whether greenhouse gases and aerosol concentrations increase, stay the same or decrease.
How strongly features of the climate (e.g. temperature, precipitation and sea level) respond to changes in greenhouse gas and aerosol concentrations.
How much the climate varies as a result of natural influences (e.g. from volcanic activity and changes in the sun ’s intensity) and its internal variability (referring to random changes in the circulation of the atmosphere and oceans).
Funny how I don't see specific proof that man alone is causing this..........