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Indy
12-29-2006, 12:13 PM
Row over ethnic minority only swimming sessions for women and children
28.12.06
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How is it that taking a dip has become so complicated?
A council has been fiercely criticised for holding ethnic-minority only swimming sessions.

Wolverhampton City Council employs special life-guards and instructors for the sessions, which are open to the city's black and Asian residents only.

It claims the weekly periods are for women and children with "religious or cultural issues which would otherwise prevent them from taking part."

But furious pool-users say they amount to racial segregation and claim they are being prevented from using the pool - simply because they may be white.

The hour-long, Thursday evening sessions at Wolverhampton's Central Baths replace an aqua-aerobics session that was previously open to all.

They are financially supported by Kellogg's Swim Active programme, which has funded the installation of special blinds around the pool, designed to protect swimmers' privacy.

The special sessions started in November and run every Thursday evening. It is not known exactly how many people take part.

Yesterday, swimmer Leslie Waugh, from Walsall, said: "It's wrong. The council bangs on about integration but then does something like this. The women even have their own instructor and lifeguard brought in for the sessions and the regular workers have to leave."

Local councillor Malcolm Gwinnett said: "It's one thing to have an all-women session, that's fine. But it should be all women of whatever religion, not just one religion, which leaves everyone else out in the cold."

Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said: "This seems to be exactly the sort of thing that creates division and resentment rather than bringing people together.

"I'd like to know what the logic behind this is. It sounds like a pretty bad idea to me and just the sort of thing that councils should not be doing."

A Wolverhampton City Council spokesman said complaints about the scheme had been received by reception staff at the baths.

She said: "It is one of the most ambitious schemes in the country and aims to tackle childhood obesity, engage the city's ethnic minority communities and work with children who fear water.

"An initial trial of eight weeks is providing an opportunity for women and children from ethnic minorities, who may not otherwise participate for cultural and religious reasons."

The Wolverhampton ethnic-minority swim sessions come after leisure centre in Croydon, South London, opened its pool to Muslims only for two hours every week.

Thornton Heath Leisure Centre insist that men wear shorts which hide the navel and extend below the knee. Women wear a swimming costume that covers their body from the neck down to the ankle. There are separate sessions for men and women.

In common with the Wolverhampton plan, the sessions were condemned by local people for encouraging segregation.



http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23379749-details/Row+over+ethnic+minority+only+swimming+sessions+fo r+women+and+children/article.do

It seems to me that economic indicators would be a better way to determine who gets the free swim lessons. It appears the pool is only closed an hour a week to 'whites.' That's not a big deal. :shrug


:stir

:whistle

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 01:09 PM
"I'd like to know what the logic behind this is. It sounds like a pretty bad idea to me and just the sort of thing that councils should not be doing."

I'd like to know the logic, too. This was a dumb decision.

Matt
12-29-2006, 01:38 PM
This really doesn't sound like a problem to me.
Of course, we have whiners everywhere who complain because they don't get the benefits of cancer treatment and someone who is actually sick does. (I know that's extreme but it's close to some complaints.)
Maybe I am reading it wrong. I'm sure if I am, y'all will let me know. :D I'm not quite up to par today.

Dano
12-29-2006, 04:00 PM
As I read the story, from another source, the dress code required by the muslims was the issue. They want to swim, but do not want to be in the company of people in what they consider immodest attire.

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 07:34 PM
Oh, I see. Thanks for that information. I don't know what I think about that-it's not like school or work, where you have to go.

Indy
12-29-2006, 07:56 PM
I can see how immodesty could make others embarassed. Not everybody wants to stare at old English blokes in itty bitty bikini shorts.

On the other hand, who could be offended by that new James Bond. :thatshot

Sounds like it's just an hour a week where people have to cover up their bodies at the pool. No big deal.

Dano
12-29-2006, 08:01 PM
Can you imagine the French Riviera closing their beaches to topless women for an hour a week so that American tourists wouldn't be offended by their dress - or lack thereof..?:rofl2

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 08:05 PM
I can see how immodesty could make others embarassed. Not everybody wants to stare at old English blokes in itty bitty bikini shorts.

On the other hand, who could be offended by that new James Bond. :thatshot

Sounds like it's just an hour a week where people have to cover up their bodies at the pool. No big deal.

If they had to cover up, but allowed everybody, that would seem more fair. Of course, I don't know that many would talk them up on it.

Indy
12-29-2006, 08:18 PM
Can you imagine the French Riviera closing their beaches to topless women for an hour a week so that American tourists wouldn't be offended by their dress - or lack thereof..?:rofl2

I'm American and I'm not offended. :cheeky

I wouldn't be surprised if Europe's nude beaches became an issue one day with the rising Islamic population there. They might have to make them private resorts.

Dano
12-29-2006, 08:41 PM
I'm American and I'm not offended. :cheeky

I wouldn't be surprised if Europe's nude beaches became an issue one day with the rising Islamic population there. They might have to make them private resorts.

Does anybody have any problems with that?

Indy
12-29-2006, 08:43 PM
Does anybody have any problems with that?

I think it would be sad for them to throw away part of their Rivieran culture bc of religous oppression.

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 08:45 PM
This kind of clash always makes me think of the Jewish people in Bible times and how they disapproved of the dress and athletic contests of the Greeks.

Indy
12-29-2006, 08:45 PM
I think most nude beaches in other parts of the world are usually private. Club Meds, Hedonisms, places like that where the nudity is confined and private so onlookers are not 'subjected' to it. It's not a big deal if you respect other people's rights as much as your own.

Wabash
12-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Does anybody have any problems with that?

Damn right....stop letting them in and stop electing them!

Wabash
12-29-2006, 08:55 PM
I think most nude beaches in other parts of the world are usually private. Club Meds, Hedonisms, places like that where the nudity is confined and private so onlookers are not 'subjected' to it. It's not a big deal if you respect other people's rights as much as your own.

The beaches of southern France and Italy are wide open...I saw topless everywhere....and REJOICED!!!! Even at the airport nursing babies...I bowed down!!! Nothin finer then a babe in Carolina...and around the world!!:lol

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 08:55 PM
Does anybody have any problems with that?

Maybe you could declare war on Europe and set the people free from the oppression of wearing tops on the beach. :shrug

Dano
12-29-2006, 08:59 PM
Maybe you could declare war on Europe and set the people free from the oppression of wearing tops on the beach. :shrug

Just have to turn this into your soul-rotting hatred of Bush don't you?

I was referring to the appeasement of a minority by changing the host culture.

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 09:07 PM
Just have to turn this into your soul-rotting hatred of Bush don't you?

I was referring to the appeasement of a minority by changing the host culture.

My soul is blooming, Dano. I hope yours is the same.

I understood exactly what you meant, and I offered a solution that I thought would appeal to you.

Dano
12-29-2006, 09:26 PM
My soul is blooming, Dano. I hope yours is the same.

I understood exactly what you meant, and I offered a solution that I thought would appeal to you.

No, it is not. You are consumed by a hatred of Bush. A review of your posts will show that.

The solution you offered was just a slam at Bush and an inappropriate assumption of what I believe.

Cheap shot.
And, a miss.

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 09:46 PM
No, it is not. You are consumed by a hatred of Bush. A review of your posts will show that.

The solution you offered was just a slam at Bush and an inappropriate assumption of what I believe.

Cheap shot.
And, a miss.

Your post is just a personal attack, and is based on no knowledge of me. A review of your posts will show that you are sadly consumed with a hatred of me-a person you've never met.

And if you can't take a well-aimed joke at Bush's expense, then you must live in agony. :rofl Promise you won't watch the late night talk shows.

Semantics
12-29-2006, 09:52 PM
I think most nude beaches in other parts of the world are usually private. Club Meds, Hedonisms, places like that where the nudity is confined and private so onlookers are not 'subjected' to it. It's not a big deal if you respect other people's rights as much as your own.

And if they go out in public, they might wear togas. :whistle

:snicker

sparks
12-29-2006, 09:53 PM
How Bush can get out of bed in the morning is beyond me. He is the most disliked President I've known of in my lifetime and any reasonable person can think of many reasons to dislike this President. Even those who voted for him have had second thoughts regarding the last election.

I give Bush the big "L"...LOSER!!!

TrueBlue
12-29-2006, 09:59 PM
And if they go out in public, they might wear togas. :whistle

:snicker

Toga?

http://rekonstruktiv.blogg.se/images/animal_house_belushi_toga_1149271613.jpg

Indy
12-29-2006, 11:12 PM
And if they go out in public, they might wear togas. :whistle

:snicker

I know my toga pic turns you on, Sem. :lick

Semantics
12-29-2006, 11:13 PM
I know my toga pic turns you on, Sem. :lick

:para