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Saguaro
06-12-2008, 06:41 AM
WASHINGTON - Nothing personal, Sen. Obama, but our re-election comes first. Barack Obama, for all his attention and primary successes, does not go over so well in a fair number of Democratic lawmakers' home districts. So it seems there is little chance that some will endorse him for president.

Some are counting on Republican votes in their re-election bids. Some are newly minted and in rematches with 2006 opponents. Some may be wary of how their constituents will react to a black presidential candidate. Some, too, have made it a practice of distancing themselves from the national party, fearing the inevitable campaign ad that has their face morphing into Howard Dean, the party chairman, and Obama.

Rep. Dan Boren, the only congressional Democrat in Oklahoma, calls Obama "the most liberal senator" in Congress and says he has no plans to make a public endorsement.

"We're much more conservative" in eastern Oklahoma, Boren said. "I've got to reflect my district."

Georgia Rep. Jim Marshall, a Democrat and Vietnam veteran who won his last election by about 1,800 votes, said he admires both Obama and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., but feels no obligation to state a preference.

"If it turns out one of them is an ax murderer or something like that I'll make a choice," he joked. Otherwise, "I don't think I need to get involved."

For most of these fence-sitters — at least 14 as of Wednesday — it boils down to political necessity: They are vulnerable Democrats in conservative-leaning districts who take pains to avoid aligning closely with the national party.

McCain has his own issues in his party. Many conservatives opposed the four-term senator, who has worked with Democrats and strayed from GOP orthodoxy on some issues, before he sealed the GOP nomination in February. Many still express reservations about him as the party leader.

Because McCain secured the party nomination much earlier in the campaign season, Republicans have not been pressed about their endorsements like Democrats have. But only a handful have publicly withheld their support for him. That includes Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who long has bucked the party hierarchy, and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who is running his own presidential campaign.

On the Democratic side, Boren said he, like most of the undecideds, will go along with nominating Obama at the Democratic convention in Denver in August.

Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki challenged Boren over his assessment of Obama and said the candidate had worked with Republicans in the Illinois Legislature and in Senate.

Obama, seeking to become the first black president, is hardly the first Democratic candidate to face such resistance. Over the years, moderates and conservatives have avoided associating with nominees going back to George McGovern in 1972 and including John Kerry in 2004. Public endorsements were not an issue in 2004 since Kerry had wrapped up the nomination early.

"They are all scared to death about getting beat by a Republican," said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., one of Obama's most prominent supporters. "I don't think that if the good Lord himself had been nominated as a Democrat that some of those folks would have endorsed him. They are afraid of looking too much like a Democrat because of the kind of districts they're from."

As in the past, many uncommitted Democrats are from the South, which has favored Republicans in recent elections.

Although Obama swept the region in the Democratic primaries with near-universal support from black voters, he often fared poorly among working-class whites. As a result, he is seen as an asset in some districts but a question mark at best in others.

Rep. John Barrow, for example, represents a coastal Georgia district where blacks make up more than 40 percent of registered voters, mainly in urban areas around Savannah and Augusta. Not surprisingly, Barrow — who won his last election by fewer than 900 votes — endorsed Obama in February.

But Marshall, the Democratic incumbent in a neighboring district in rural central Georgia, has stayed quiet.

Marshall's district is less than one-third black, and he needs the support of white Republicans to win, including votes from the military community around Robins Air Force Base. He faces a fresh challenge this year from a retired Air Force general.

Republican campaign strategists already have shown they want to link Democratic candidates with Obama and other national figures, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor.

In special elections last month in Mississippi and Louisiana, Democratic candidates Travis Childers and Don Cazayoux faced television ads attempting to make those connections.

But Childers and Cazayoux won surprise victories, raising questions about the strategy's effectiveness.

Still, Childers is staying out of the presidential race, as is his fellow Mississippi Democrat Gene Taylor. Cazayoux recently announced he is backing Obama.

Obama's campaign has made some progress in converting the holdouts. Freshman Rep. Nancy Boyda of Kansas, who had insisted she would not budge from the undecided column, budged on Wednesday and endorsed Obama.

Boyda "has been impressed with Senator Obama's campaign because they're willing to take their discussion to all 50 states, rather than just the swing states," spokeswoman Liz Montano said.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, a Democratic House leader who helped orchestrate the party's strategy for winning control of Congress in 2006, argues against reading too much into the holdouts. He said most of them always stay out of national politics and that the party is generally unified around Obama.

"They're just going to stick to their knitting," he said. "It's not that they're anti-Obama."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_el_pr/undecided_democrats;_ylt=AtoDfp05o35eXORGQ8HkRb.s0 NUE

toxic
06-12-2008, 08:15 AM
No kidding. Some of use disliked Bush's reign, but have no interest in:

- national healthcare for over breeders,
- affirmative action candidates,
- expanding entitlements to gays and lesbians,
- flooding the government appointee positions with the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Lewis Farakkan,...

Saguaro
06-12-2008, 08:24 AM
Is there anyone you like ?

Ringo
06-12-2008, 08:27 AM
No kidding. Some of use disliked Bush's reign, but have no interest in:

- national healthcare for over breeders,
- affirmative action candidates,
- expanding entitlements to gays and lesbians,
- flooding the government appointee positions with the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Lewis Farakkan,...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-Q2rDd6Tw

Yellowdogtexan
06-12-2008, 08:50 AM
There are also some republicans who are not supporting mc :cane http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-gang-of-14-wont-back-mccain-2008-06-11.htmlAt least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president, and more than a dozen others declined to answer whether they back the Arizona senator.

Many of the recalcitrant GOP members declined to detail their reasons for withholding support, but Rep. John Peterson (R-Pa.) expressed major concerns about McCain’s energy policies and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) cited the Iraq war......

It is not unusual for certain factions of the Democratic and Republican parties not to embrace their respective candidates for president. McCain’s campaign seized on some Democrats’ reticence about Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), issuing a release on Tuesday that highlighted that Rep. Dan Boren (D-Okla.) is not endorsing the presumptive nominee. While some conservative Democrats have yet to endorse Obama and didn’t back Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in 2004, there are both centrist and conservative Republicans representing various parts of the country who are not embracing McCain.

Republican members who have not endorsed or publicly backed McCain include Sens. Chuck Hagel (Neb.) and Jeff Sessions (Ala.) and Reps. Jones, Peterson, John Doolittle (Calif.), Randy Forbes (Va.), Wayne Gilchrest (Md.), Virgil Goode (Va.), Tim Murphy (Pa.), Ron Paul (Texas), Ted Poe (Texas), Todd Tiahrt (Kan.), Dave Weldon (Fla.) and Frank Wolf (Va.).

Throughout his career in the House and Senate, McCain has been at odds with his party on a range of issues, including campaign finance reform, earmarks, immigration, healthcare, taxes and energy.

Some Senate Republicans were especially irked with McCain’s role in the “Gang of 14” deal on judicial nominations.

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who has been sharply critical of McCain on immigration, told The Hill in February, “I don’t like McCain. I don’t like him at all.”

Tancredo spokesman Mac Zimmerman said Tancredo won’t endorse McCain because he fears the senator would repudiate it like he did with the formal backing of controversial pastor John Hagee.

toxic
06-12-2008, 09:39 AM
Is there anyone you like ?

Of course.

In the past, I have listed several strong candidates from both parties that would bring more than their genitels or skin color to the office of President. Some bring sensible military strength others bring economic strength.


What is the real difference between me and others on this board?

It appears to me that many here are living in bubbles of "hope" or "fear". They are either unaware, indifferent or helpless to understand/change what is coming. These people are more than perpetuating the problems that have developed in recent years, they want to dig deeper holes.

Wabash
06-12-2008, 01:24 PM
No kidding. Some of use disliked Bush's reign, but have no interest in:

- national healthcare for over breeders,
- affirmative action candidates,
- expanding entitlements to gays and lesbians,
- flooding the government appointee positions with the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Lewis Farakkan,...
YESSIREEE bob!!!!:paclap:paclap:paclap
Is there anyone you like ?
Plenty!!!

There are also some republicans who are not supporting mc :cane http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-gang-of-14-wont-back-mccain-2008-06-11.html
Lame doggie....lame....

Of course.

In the past, I have listed several strong candidates from both parties that would bring more than their genitels or skin color to the office of President. Some bring sensible military strength others bring economic strength.


What is the real difference between me and others on this board?

It appears to me that many here are living in bubbles of "hope" or "fear". They are either unaware, indifferent or helpless to understand/change what is coming. These people are more than perpetuating the problems that have developed in recent years, they want to dig deeper holes.

BOY HOWDY!!!!!

issac the dragon
06-12-2008, 01:26 PM
This election is American Idol v Grouchy Old Men.

Wabash
06-12-2008, 05:12 PM
This election is American Idol v Grouchy Old Men.

Thing is issac.....worshipping idols will cost ya in the long run!:LL

You are one of the few here with common sense and can see thru the obie Halo!

John Gault
06-12-2008, 06:05 PM
There are also some republicans who are not supporting mc :cane http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-gang-of-14-wont-back-mccain-2008-06-11.html

And for the same reason some dems don't support Obama, they think he is too far left.

So who do you think they (and their constituents) will end up voting for, Obama?

Yeah right.

Yellowdogtexan
06-12-2008, 06:22 PM
This is amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aW26nleRD0This was somewhat better than what Tancredo stated in the article cited above.
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who has been sharply critical of McCain on immigration, told The Hill in February, “I don’t like McCain. I don’t like him at all.”

John Gault
06-12-2008, 07:02 PM
This is amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aW26nleRD0This was somewhat better than what Tancredo stated in the article cited above.

So tell me, is Obama going to offer a different plan on immigration?

Tancredo will vote McCain and so will his constiuency.

What's more you know it.

No one who is an actual republican or conservative will vote Obama. They may get suckered into voting for Barr or another candidate, but Obama, not happening.

Yellowdogtexan
06-12-2008, 08:59 PM
This is interesting More democrats are happy or satisfied with Obama as their nominee than republicans are with mc :cane as their nominee June 2008
Field Dates: June 5-8, 2008
Sample Size: 806 Registered Voters
Margin of Error: +/-3.5
Note: Percentages less than 0.5 printed as *.
DPV = “Democratic Primary Voters”; RPV = “Republican Primary Voters.”

McCain 52% Favorable, 37% Unfavorable
Obama 57% Favorable, 33% Unfavorable

15. Are you satisfied that John McCain is the Republican nominee, or would you have preferred that the Republican Party nominated someone else?
RPV
Satisfied with John McCain 52%
Preferred someone else 45%
Don't know/Refused DO NOT READ) 3%

16. Which best describes your reaction to John McCain winning the Republican nomination for president, -- You will vote for him enthusiastically in November; You will vote for him, but mainly as a vote against Barack Obama; You will vote for Barack Obama; or You will stay home on Election Day and not vote?
RPV
You will vote for him enthusiastically in November 46%
You will vote for him, but mainly as a vote against Barack Obama 28%
You will vote for Barack Obama 5%
You will stay home on Election Day and not vote 6%
Don't know/Refused(DO NOT READ) 15%

18. Are you satisfied that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, or would you have preferred that the Democratic Party nominated someone else?
DPV
Satisfied with Barack Obama 68%
Preferred someone else 30%
Don't know/Refused (DO NOT READ) 2%

19. Which best describes your reaction to Barack Obama winning the Democratic nomination for president, -- You will vote for him enthusiastically in November; You will vote for him, but mainly as a vote against John McCain; You will vote for John McCain; or You will stay home on Election Day and not vote?
DPV
You will vote for him enthusiastically in November 60%
You will vote for him, but mainly as a vote against John McCain 13%
You will vote for John McCain 9%
You will stay home on Election Day and not vote 7%
Don't know/Refused(DO NOT READ) 11%
http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/08_Jun_Data.pdf

Yellowdogtexan
06-13-2008, 01:25 PM
Here is more on the polling data that shows that the Demcorats are happy with the nomination of Senator Obama but the republicans are not so happy with mc :cane http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/poll_dems_satisfied_with_obama.phpA new number from the latest Hotline/Diageo poll goes a long way toward dispelling the idea that Barack Obama is leading a seriously divided party. On the contrary, the poll suggests that it's John McCain who has a problem in this regard.

The poll, conducted in the wake of Obama's clinching the nomination and including sampling dates from before Hillary Clinton's final concession, found that 68% of Democratic primary voters were satisfied with Obama as the nominee, with 30% preferring someone else.

By contrast, only 52% of Republican primary voters were satisfied with John McCain as their nominee, with 45% preferring someone else. And this is despite the fact that McCain sewed up his nomination months ago, while Democratic emotions were still raw when this poll was conducted.

Yellowdogtexan
06-13-2008, 03:38 PM
This is amusing. Boren's comments were of course taken out of context. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/dems-not-backing-obama-ra_n_106947.htmls the man who guided (and pressured and arm-twisted) Democrats to historic congressional gains in 2006, what is Rep. Rahm Emanuel doing now about party members like Rep. Dan Boren who have balked at publicly endorsing Sen. Barack Obama?

Emanuel interjected before I could get my question out.

"Look, I talked to Dan, and I talked to all those guys," he said. "I'm not worried. I just think that's all -- it's reporters who, you know, just a little too much..." He trailed off, perhaps cognizant of present company. "If you had a real problem, I would deal with it. But it's not a problem."

As proof, Emanuel references Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth, another Democrat who hasn't yet endorsed Obama. "Brad's got flooding in his district, his people are flooding," he said. "If you ask Brad what he's doing in November, he'll tell you: he's voting for Barack Obama. If you ask Boren, 'I'm voting for Barack Obama.' I mean, it's what they're doing in November, for those guys, that matters. Not what they're doing today, when they're working on their districts. And they'll support their candidate."

The famously acid-tongued Chicagoan may be right, Democrats like Ellsworth and Boren may not pose a problem. But the Republican National Committee is sure trying to make them one. GOP officials have blasted out press releases highlighting Boren's claim that Obama has the "most liberal" voting record in the Senate. "You go ask Boren," Emanuel says, "he'll tell you his view is that that was taken out of context, that he is going to support the nominee."

(He was right: "My comments were taken out of context and as I have said from day one I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November," Boren told The Huffington Post.)

As for Rahm, his support was never in doubt. "I put my life into electing Democrats, okay?" he says.

issac the dragon
06-13-2008, 04:05 PM
Quote from YDT Obama's campaign has made some progress in converting the holdouts. Freshman Rep. Nancy Boyda of Kansas, who had insisted she would not budge from the undecided column, budged on Wednesday and endorsed Obama.

Boyda "has been impressed with Senator Obama's campaign because they're willing to take their discussion to all 50 states, rather than just the swing states," spokeswoman Liz Montano said.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, a Democratic House leader who helped orchestrate the party's strategy for winning control of Congress in 2006, argues against reading too much into the holdouts. He said most of them always stay out of national politics and that the party is generally unified around Obama.

"They're just going to stick to their knitting," he said. "It's not that they're anti-Obama."
End quote.

It could have something to do with the fact that Obama has taken over the Democratic party, transferred it to his headquarters in Chicago, and all money donated will be funneled through them. That would convince many that it behoved them to back the man.