Obama Was Selected, Not Elected

[Wabash]

Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago.

When Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election by half a percentage point, but lost the Electoral College -- or, for short, "the constitutionally prescribed method for choosing presidents" -- anyone who denied the sacred importance of the popular vote was either an idiot or a dangerous partisan.

But now Hillary has won the popular vote in a Democratic primary, while Obambi has won under the rules. In a spectacular turnabout, media commentators are heaping sarcasm on our plucky Hillary for imagining the "popular vote" has any relevance whatsoever.

It's the exact same situation as in 2000, with Hillary in the position of Gore and Obama in the position of Bush. The only difference is: Hillary has a much stronger argument than Gore ever did (and Hillary's more of a man than Gore ever was).

Unbeknownst to liberals, who seem to imagine the Constitution is a treatise on gay marriage, our Constitution sets forth rules for the election of a president. Under the Constitution that has led to the greatest individual liberty, prosperity and security ever known to mankind, Americans have no constitutional right to vote for president, at all. (Don't fret Democrats: According to five liberals on the Supreme Court, you do have a right to sodomy and abortion!)

Americans certainly have no right to demand that their vote prevail over the electors' vote.

The Constitution states that electors from each state are to choose the president, and it is up to state legislatures to determine how those electors are selected. It is only by happenstance that most states use a popular vote to choose their electors.

When you vote for president this fall, you will not be voting for Barack Obama or John McCain; you will be voting for an elector who pledges to cast his vote for Obama or McCain. (For those new Obama voters who may be reading, it's like voting for Paula, Randy or Simon to represent you, instead of texting your vote directly.)
Ann Coulter
HumanEvents@HumanEventsOnline.com

[patriotsblade]

:rofl Obama has been the nominee for just over 24 hours and the GOP bots are already screeching. Coulter is an irrelevant idiot.

[wvpeach]

The democratic party knows the economy is about to completely tank in the US. They don't want to be the party in charge when this goes down so they have thrown the election. They knew neither hillary Clinton or a black man named Barack HussienObama had a prayer of getting elected in the US as president. The Democrats have threw this election , they don't want to hold the presidency when the economy of the US implodes. Can't say as I blame them.

McCain will be the next president of the US and he will help to push the economy the rest of the way off a cliff.

[toxic]

The democratic party knows the economy is about to completely tank in the US. They don't want to be the party in charge when this goes down so they have thrown the election. They knew neither hillary Clinton or a black man named Barack HussienObama had a prayer of getting elected in the US as president. The Democrats have threw this election , they don't want to hold the presidency when the economy of the US implodes. Can't say as I blame them.

McCain will be the next president of the US and he will help to push the economy the rest of the way off a cliff.

Just to absolutely assure failure, they may put Hillary or Jesse Jackson on the ticket as VP.

[Saguaro]

Oh Wabash, you know better than to put Coulter in any place but Shock Therapy

[wvpeach]

Just to absolutely assure failure, they may put Hillary or Jesse Jackson on the ticket as VP.


They may have to , 20 years of Reaganomics has even the dim whitted waking up. If the Republicans were running anybody worse than MCcain it would be hard, to ignore their theft and traitorous ways to this country.

But hillary or jackson would insure defeat even in a population that is going to be very economically depressed by the time this election hits.

No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it.

[jim]

They may have to , 20 years of Reaganomics has even the dim whitted waking up. If the Republicans were running anybody worse than MCcain it would be hard, to ignore their theft and traitorous ways to this country.

But hillary or jackson would insure defeat even in a population that is going to be very economically depressed by the time this election hits.

No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it.

They did!!!:LL:godzilla

[John Gault]

They may have to , 20 years of Reaganomics has even the dim whitted waking up. If the Republicans were running anybody worse than MCcain it would be hard, to ignore their theft and traitorous ways to this country.

But hillary or jackson would insure defeat even in a population that is going to be very economically depressed by the time this election hits.

No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it.

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?

[Trueblue]

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?

Salute your flag, John.

:bullshit

[Wabash]

:rofl Obama has been the nominee for just over 24 hours and the GOP bots are already screeching. Coulter is an irrelevant idiot.
Coulter nails it once again! This was a soooo-perb article!:clap:clap:clap

Just to absolutely assure failure, they may put Hillary or Jesse Jackson on the ticket as VP.
Jesse "The Shyster" Jackson is the biggest free loader numbnuts in the country. I wouldn't even let him shine my shoes!

Oh Wabash, you know better than to put Coulter in any place but Shock Therapy
It was sooooo well written and soooo to the point, I just thought it was in the right place!

They may have to , 20 years of Reaganomics has even the dim whitted waking up. If the Republicans were running anybody worse than MCcain it would be hard, to ignore their theft and traitorous ways to this country. Nonsense!

But hillary or jackson would insure defeat even in a population that is going to be very economically depressed by the time this election hits. Hillary, as McCain's VP would be a real coup by the Pubs!

No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it.
And a GREAT thing it was too!
[/I][/B]

They did!!!:LL:godzillaYou bet and I do it again!
Anything to keep a liberal socialist Commie pinko out of office!

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?
Sure they do....w/o strife, the Demo Party has nothing!

Salute your flag, John.

:bullshit
Salute your own flag, you are BS extraordinaire!:lol

[wvpeach]

Reagnomics will go down in the history books as proof the US system of unchecked capitalism is a complete failure.

Trust me you can take that to the bank.

As for discussing economic policies with Bush Bots and people too silly to see where policies like Reaganomics have gotten us I don't bother to waste my time with mindless people like that anymore.

Any business man or woman can tell you that since Reagan they have run this country like they are intentionally getting ready for a bankruptcy. Going to close up, end all entitlements there won't be the money to pay them after all we will be bankrupt and take the country over the way they want it to be with all unions busted and people dying as soon as they have outlived their productivity.

Trust me this is the plan.

However I think there may be enough of us around who are willing to fight for this country once again. When the SHTF MCCain is elected, and they have pushed our economy over a cliff they may not find some of us as willing to work for a loaf of bread a day as they think will be.

Some of us will fight.

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?

[Wabash]

Reagnomics will go down in the history books as proof the US system of unchecked capitalism is a complete failure.

Trust me you can take that to the bank.

As for discussing economic policies with Bush Bots and people too silly to see where policies like Reaganomics have gotten us I don't bother to waste my time with mindless people like that anymore.

Any business man or woman can tell you that since Reagan they have run this country like they are intentionally getting ready for a bankruptcy. Going to close up, end all entitlements there won't be the money to pay them after all we will be bankrupt and take the country over the way they want it to be with all unions busted and people dying as soon as they have outlived their productivity.

Trust me this is the plan.

However I think there may be enough of us around who are willing to fight for this country once again. When the SHTF MCCain is elected, and they have pushed our economy over a cliff they may not find some of us as willing to work for a loaf of bread a day as they think will be.

Some of us will fight.
They SHOULD end all entitlements...it's a huge crutch for many and makes us lazy. FDR was another Shyster...the SS program and everything that has followed is designed to weaken the American spirit and breed New Orleans type dependence!
Ronnie was a smart guy and put this country on a good footing after the idiot policies of Carter!

[Wabash]

FDR sold the American people a Bill of Goods...typical Democrap!

The SS program was to be set aside for individuals and never to be skimmed off by other govt. agencies! Never to be touched at all!
Furthermore, the SS ID number was supposed to be secret and never to be given out to anyone, especially for ID purposes with schools, employers, doctors or banks!

The SS set up has been totally subverted! Demos have done it everytime too!

[Wabash]

The best I can tell is that Vaseline, Democraps and the Greeks are all intertwined in a huge enterprise!!

[wvpeach]

You obviously lack any knowledge of history wabash.

We have seventeen hundred years of recorded history of the world before social programs and the good they have done.

We have emperors and military leaders taking what they want and letting the people starve to death if it came down to it and it often did.

We have slave labor and child labor right here in this country to prove that the world without social programs was a much darker and evil place.

Where do you people hide your heads in the sand? Tell me how do you make it through life with so little conception of how things really work?

They SHOULD end all entitlements...it's a huge crutch for many and makes us lazy. FDR was another Shyster...the SS program and everything that has followed is designed to weaken the American spirit and breed New Orleans type dependence!
Ronnie was a smart guy and put this country on a good footing after the idiot policies of Carter!

[AYFR]

They may have to , 20 years of Reaganomics has even the dim whitted waking up. If the Republicans were running anybody worse than MCcain it would be hard, to ignore their theft and traitorous ways to this country.

But hillary or jackson would insure defeat even in a population that is going to be very economically depressed by the time this election hits.

No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it.

[/I][/B]

They did!!!:LL:godzilla
I just love how y'all two seem to know better then the rest of America.

[wvpeach]

Can't help it Rev I am a very smart woman.

[AYFR]

I would say arrogant as well. The type of person that believes that she/he knows better then the rest so wants her/his views forced on others.

[jim]

I just love how y'all two seem to know better then the rest of America.

You don't know who the "rest of America" is, Rev. Further - if this WERE what the rest of America "knows" - you are damn right that would know more than the rest of the bunch...again - I am watching things unfold like I prognosticated at age nine and you "caoservatives" can't figure out yet...This damn former country is totally WRECKED and is damn near third world - NOW:godzilla:godzilla:devil

[jim]

[/B][/I][/B]Reagnomics will go down in the history books as proof the US system of unchecked capitalism is a complete failure.

Trust me you can take that to the bank.

As for discussing economic policies with Bush Bots and people too silly to see where policies like Reaganomics have gotten us I don't bother to waste my time with mindless people like that anymore.

Any business man or woman can tell you that since Reagan they have run this country like they are intentionally getting ready for a bankruptcy. Going to close up, end all entitlements there won't be the money to pay them after all we will be bankrupt and take the country over the way they want it to be with all unions busted and people dying as soon as they have outlived their productivity.

Trust me this is the plan.

However I think there may be enough of us around who are willing to fight for this country once again. When the SHTF MCCain is elected, and they have pushed our economy over a cliff they may not find some of us as willing to work for a loaf of bread a day as they think will be.

Some of us will fight.


I can see no other "plan.":drevil Yep: some of us will fight...I am an old man and would as soon go down in an honorable fight as any other way:devil

[jim]

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?

I have trouble with thugs being the only prosperous ones:drevil This is the way it is now...:yep:rooster:godzilla

[AYFR]

Jim if America is so bad then GET THE FUCK OUT.

[Trueblue]

No, we need to make changes for the better. Not leave.

[jim]

Jim if America is so bad then GET THE FUCK OUT.

It is mine too YOU can gtf out!!! if you don't like my presence!! - Or any of you can try to put me out if you feel damn lucky!!!:drevil:godzilla

[jim]

No, we need to make changes for the better. Not leave.

Yes - We need to put it back together:brr

[wvpeach]

Jim if America is so bad then GET THE FUCK OUT.


Lovely attitude from a man that dares to call himself the reverend.

Reverend of right wing neo cons not of the Lord Jesus Christ , I guess hugh Rev?

Tell me do the neo cons have their own training school for your religion nowdays?

Because I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and you and me sure ain't serving the same man?

Where did you get your neo con reverend training Rev?

[wvpeach]

I would say arrogant as well. The type of person that believes that she/he knows better then the rest so wants her/his views forced on others.


You do plenty of forcing your views on everybody, so what is your point?

Nope I am a reader and forced to become educated because my three kids all have secondary degrees and I couldn't have them above mom. So I studied history and theology.

All one has to do is look at the history of man, it written down after all and there is no debate the truth is the truth.

For instance we forced orphans into industrial orphanages or agricultural orphanages for many years in this country so we could work them in a factory or a farm by the time they got 3 feet tall.

It was a social program that our society ( at least we who are Christians and moral, not the so called fake right wing neo con Christians) It was we collectively as a society that decided to put kids in schools and invest in them for the good of our entire country.

Young women who worked in sweat shops used to be considered fair game and tramps because they did not come from the "right" families . Slowly we have changed that kind of immoral attitude to other human beings in this country and now we have nuts like you who want everything to go back to the dark and evil days the world lived in for 1700 years where people could exploit whoever they want and it was okay.

People like you want to ignore Christs teachings that nations and individuals will be judged for how we treat the least among us. You can ignore it all you want but the bible still says nations will be gathered together for judgment just like people will be. Sorry about your luck Rev , but you have just met a lady who knows the bible inside and out. So telling lies about what the bible says will not work with me.

The truth is truth Rev. The bible and recorded history holds a lot of truth you should try reading both sometime . I don't suppose they teach much history or bible at the neo con fake Reverend school do they REV?

[wvpeach]

You don't know who the "rest of America" is, Rev. Further - if this WERE what the rest of America "knows" - you are damn right that would know more than the rest of the bunch...again - I am watching things unfold like I prognosticated at age nine and you "caoservatives" can't figure out yet...This damn former country is totally WRECKED and is damn near third world - NOW:godzilla:godzilla:devil

Not third world yet but that does seem to be their plan.

[wvpeach]

[/B][/I][/B]


I can see no other "plan.":drevil Yep: some of us will fight...I am an old man and would as soon go down in an honorable fight as any other way:devil

me too Jim.

If God calls me to that fight I will be there.

I may have to walk away from my beloved family to do it. But I will still be there.

My husband has security clearances that he is always telling me require me not to be so harsh on the government . I tell the truth no matter what, so sory about that.

One son is a doctor, the other a teacher . My daughters a pharmacist and all say Mom while its starting to look like you have been right about the way they are trying to bust the country you do realize all our careers may come crashing down because of you?

I say I will take my instructions from God. If your meant to keep those careers in this corrupt country God will see to it you do. If not that is okay too.

Your either part of the problem or part of the solution and keeping ones mouth shut in fear of this government which has gotten down right scary under Bush is being part of the problem IMHO.

Too bad, I will not be part of the problem and evil I see raising up in this country. I will speak out against it and fight if need be.

[jim]

me too Jim.

If God calls me to that fight I will be there.

I may have to walk away from my beloved family to do it. But I will still be there.

My husband has security clearances that he is always telling me require me not to be so harsh on the government . I tell the truth no matter what, so sory about that.

One son is a doctor, the other a teacher . My daughters a pharmacist and all say Mom while its starting to look like you have been right about the way they are trying to bust the country you do realize all our careers may come crashing down because of you?

I say I will take my instructions from God. If your meant to keep those careers in this corrupt country God will see to it you do. If not that is okay too.

Your either part of the problem or part of the solution and keeping ones mouth shut in fear of this government which has gotten down right scary under Bush is being part of the problem IMHO.

Too bad, I will not be part of the problem and evil I see raising up in this country. I will speak out against it and fight if need be.


Right On!!!:paclap:paclap I have always tried to be For All People!! No scapegoats!!! Got some "kicks in the face" but a lot of "pats on the back" too:ohyeah

[AYFR]

It is mine too YOU can gtf out!!! if you don't like my presence!! - Or any of you can try to put me out if you feel damn lucky!!!:drevil:godzillaWhy I LIKE AMERICA which apparently you do not.

Lovely attitude from a man that dares to call himself the reverend.

Reverend of right wing neo cons not of the Lord Jesus Christ , I guess hugh Rev?

Tell me do the neo cons have their own training school for your religion nowdays?

Because I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and you and me sure ain't serving the same man?

Where did you get your neo con reverend training Rev?
I do not cuss much only when I get exicited and forget my manners BUT I also do not claim to be perfect and realize that I make mistakes. I sure do wish I could be perfect and never make any mistakes like you but some of us are just human and realize that we are imperfect sinners that fall short of the glory of God. Good think that Jesus is the mediator and savior or the imperfect people like me would be doomed while only the perfect people like yourself would be the only ones in Heaven.

Wait I just realized that, that would just leave you and Jesus in Heaven since besides him you are the only perfect human to ever live.

I love that just because I tell someone that since they do not like America that they need to leave that suddenly I am a neo con.

You really want to go head to head about why I recieved the name reverend for this site?

No I am not a reverend in real life and never said I was either.

You do plenty of forcing your views on everybody, so what is your point?

Nope I am a reader and forced to become educated because my three kids all have secondary degrees and I couldn't have them above mom. So I studied history and theology.

All one has to do is look at the history of man, it written down after all and there is no debate the truth is the truth.

For instance we forced orphans into industrial orphanages or agricultural orphanages for many years in this country so we could work them in a factory or a farm by the time they got 3 feet tall.

It was a social program that our society ( at least we who are Christians and moral, not the so called fake right wing neo con Christians) It was we collectively as a society that decided to put kids in schools and invest in them for the good of our entire country.

Young women who worked in sweat shops used to be considered fair game and tramps because they did not come from the "right" families . Slowly we have changed that kind of immoral attitude to other human beings in this country and now we have nuts like you who want everything to go back to the dark and evil days the world lived in for 1700 years where people could exploit whoever they want and it was okay.

People like you want to ignore Christs teachings that nations and individuals will be judged for how we treat the least among us. You can ignore it all you want but the bible still says nations will be gathered together for judgment just like people will be. Sorry about your luck Rev , but you have just met a lady who knows the bible inside and out. So telling lies about what the bible says will not work with me.

The truth is truth Rev. The bible and recorded history holds a lot of truth you should try reading both sometime . I don't suppose they teach much history or bible at the neo con fake Reverend school do they REV?

I do not force my views on anyone, I post them here for people to read, BUT I also do not make comments like No matter though, the American people have proven they will vote against their own economic interests. They voted Reagan back in for a second term and Bush in twice to prove it
Basiclly calling the American people stupid.

No people like you want America to conform to your views regardless whether the majority believes them or not.

Actually the Bible says PEOPLE will be judged for how they treat people not nations. Jesus will judge the individual not the group.


This country is not wrecked nor is it heading toward third world status.

[AYFR]

I would LOVE to go head to head with you on another thread about the Bible and Jesus.

[issac the dragon]

I know the Reverend doesn't need me to defend him, but he is not a radical neo-con. He seems to be a decent, moral man. Our politics differ most of the time, but I respect him. And I respect the majority of the conservatives on this forum.

[AYFR]

That you Issac and I think the same of you (except that instead of a moral man you are a moral woman)

[Trueblue]

Sometimes Americans are pretty stupid, and I'm not referencing just one party or another.

Jim is concerned about America, and his comments reflect that. I think all of us are concerned about the nation, and have different ideas about what to do to make things better.

[AYFR]

Being concerned and what Jim says are two different things.


If you are concerned you say "While I think America is great and I love my country, I believe that we are heading in the wrong direction and will do what I can to change that."

You do not say "America sucks and is a disaster."

[Trueblue]

Please don't start parsing his posts like that.

[AYFR]

Please don't start parsing his posts like that.
I did no such thing
Here is what he said
You don't know who the "rest of America" is, Rev. Further - if this WERE what the rest of America "knows" - you are damn right that would know more than the rest of the bunch...again - I am watching things unfold like I prognosticated at age nine and you "caoservatives" can't figure out yet...This damn former country is totally WRECKED and is damn near third world - NOW:godzilla:godzilla:devil

[Trueblue]

I did no such thing
Here is what he said

Use the word you chose. The point is the same.

[AYFR]

you are right he said "wrecked" and I said disaster and they ARE the same things.

It is apparent from numerous of his posts about America that he believes this country is a disaster and thus sucks.

[jim]

I am making statements and sounding warnings regarding the direction the country is headed and where it is. If it cannot pull out of the morrass it is caught in at this time - it is indeed wrecked. I hope to see it begin to pull out of this terrible mess before I go out but am well aware I might not. I have said before that I am a capable researcher among a couple of other endeavors... Meaning I can see and understand emerging patterns. I do not like what I'm seeing at all... BUT HATE AMERICA???? Some of you read my posts (right) and get a life!!:aliens:godzilla And again: I am seeing things come to pass that I strongly surmised(or prognostigated) as a young boy!!!Believe it and/or like it(and I am not sure I do)or not...:brr

[wvpeach]

Wrong Rev

Isa 2:4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Ever known a time when nations have been judged by Christ so that they beat their swords into plows and knew war no more? ...................What is that Rev? No you say, that would be right the judgment of the nations is yet to come.

And not that I have a lot of time for grown people who don't know their bible but I will give you a couple others just in case your a pup and don't know any better I will give you the benefit of that . I hope your a pup anyway.
For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land… Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather yourselves there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD. Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Go in, tread, for the winepress is full. The vats overflow, for their evil is great. Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake. But the LORD is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel. So you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who dwells in Zion, my holy mountain. And Jerusalem shall be holy, and strangers shall never again pass through it." Joel 3:1-2, 11-17


Matthew 25 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Nations will be judged just like individuals will be Rev. The bible says this many, many times , above are just a few examples.

Got a idea for you Rev maybe you should pick up the bible and read it.


Why I LIKE AMERICA which apparently you do not.




I do not cuss much only when I get exicited and forget my manners BUT I also do not claim to be perfect and realize that I make mistakes. I sure do wish I could be perfect and never make any mistakes like you but some of us are just human and realize that we are imperfect sinners that fall short of the glory of God. Good think that Jesus is the mediator and savior or the imperfect people like me would be doomed while only the perfect people like yourself would be the only ones in Heaven.

Wait I just realized that, that would just leave you and Jesus in Heaven since besides him you are the only perfect human to ever live.

I love that just because I tell someone that since they do not like America that they need to leave that suddenly I am a neo con.

You really want to go head to head about why I recieved the name reverend for this site?

No I am not a reverend in real life and never said I was either.



I do not force my views on anyone, I post them here for people to read, BUT I also do not make comments like
Basiclly calling the American people stupid.

No people like you want America to conform to your views regardless whether the majority believes them or not.

Actually the Bible says PEOPLE will be judged for how they treat people not nations. Jesus will judge the individual not the group.


This country is not wrecked nor is it heading toward third world status.

[wvpeach]

I would LOVE to go head to head with you on another thread about the Bible and Jesus.


Head to head about what? While the old testament can be a bit confusing to some with all its prophesies, the new testament is so simply worded even a child can understand it.

There is no debate about the teachings of christ they are straight forward and simple and revolve around love for God and then love for everybody else.

Coarse you have to know the bible to try to debate it and by your statement above that the nations won't be judged, I can tell you, Rev; do not know the bible.

Trust me I take my bible seriously and do not use it as a game or in pride. But its apparent since you don't even have a clue about the judgment of nations, that you Rev would need about a dozen years to catch up to me and then perhaps we could debate the bible on a level that would not be so unfair to you.

I have no desire to make you look foolish Rev. That is not my intent. It is however my job as a servant of Christs, not to let people like you lie about what the bible says. That is my job.

So i suggest you either stop quoting the bible or make very sure you know what your talking about when I am around.

[wvpeach]

Being concerned and what Jim says are two different things.


If you are concerned you say "While I think America is great and I love my country, I believe that we are heading in the wrong direction and will do what I can to change that."

You do not say "America sucks and is a disaster."

Why not? If your wife went next door and you caught her holding hands with the man next door. Then next you know she was paying people to drop bombs on innocent children and killing them wouldn't you say she sucked and this was a disaster?

See people like you don't have a clue what is going on. For starters this nation has had it good points. But if you add up the actions of this nation the bad would far outweigh the good. I mean after all we slaughtered the Indians to take their land. We enslaved and killed blacks in some places in this country they would still like to do that.

We help to starve poor people to death by spraying herbicides on their food crops in the name of our ridiculous drug war. We are constantly propping up a dictator here or there who kills his own people as long as he will let us get the oil. Then a dozen years later like with Saddam we want rid of him because he will not be our puppet anymore.

Who knows how many people in poor countries we have killed in the last 3 decades . That number would be in the millions no doubt. Clinton for instance sent US troops to fight on the side of Muslims in Serbia to kill Christians because those particular Muslims we decided were good for us economically and strategically .

Now Iraq and a president that is evil let alone is qualified to decide who in the rest of the world is evil.

I would say all the above sucks. And it sure was a disaster for the kids who died when we dropped bombs on their heads in iraq. Or do you think you could convince the parents of those dead children in Iraq that killing their child did not suck Rev? Good luck with that.

See Rev , unlike you some of us live in reality. We don't pretend everything is peachy keen when it is not and the record of the US is certainly not peachy keen by a long shot.

[GreenEyedLady]

Holy Shit! What is happening in this thread?

Peach, you are my friend. You know how I feel about religion. Can't this discussion be done in a more respectful and loving way?

[wvpeach]

I am being loving SuNNI.

The truth will set people free and the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.

Sorry if people don't like the truth but that is all I ever deal in.

Tell me SuNNI what exactly is disrespectful and unloving in my posts? i value your opinion so let me hear it.

But forget telling me to coddle these people. I assume everybody on here is adult and if they are going to talk about the bible they best speak the truth or I will call them on it ASAP. That is my job.

[jim]

Why not? If your wife went next door and you caught her holding hands with the man next door. Then next you know she was paying people to drop bombs on innocent children and killing them wouldn't you say she sucked and this was a disaster?

See people like you don't have a clue what is going on. For starters this nation has had it good points. But if you add up the actions of this nation the bad would far outweigh the good. I mean after all we slaughtered the Indians to take their land. We enslaved and killed blacks in some places in this country they would still like to do that.

We help to starve poor people to death by spraying herbicides on their food crops in the name of our ridiculous drug war. We are constantly propping up a dictator here or there who kills his own people as long as he will let us get the oil. Then a dozen years later like with Saddam we want rid of him because he will not be our puppet anymore.

Who knows how many people in poor countries we have killed in the last 3 decades . That number would be in the millions no doubt. Clinton for instance sent US troops to fight on the side of Muslims in Serbia to kill Christians because those particular Muslims we decided were good for us economically and strategically .

Now Iraq and a president that is evil let alone is qualified to decide who in the rest of the world is evil.

I would say all the above sucks. And it sure was a disaster for the kids who died when we dropped bombs on their heads in iraq. Or do you think you could convince the parents of those dead children in Iraq that killing their child did not suck Rev? Good luck with that.

See Rev , unlike you some of us live in reality. We don't pretend everything is peachy keen when it is not and the record of the US is certainly not peachy keen by a long shot.

This about says it!!:drevil

[GreenEyedLady]

I am being loving SuNNI.

The truth will set people free and the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.

Sorry if people don't like the truth but that is all I ever deal in.

Tell me SuNNI what exactly is disrespectful and unloving in my posts? i value your opinion so let me hear it.

But forget telling me to coddle these people. I assume everybody on here is adult and if they are going to talk about the bible they best speak the truth or I will call them on it ASAP. That is my job.

If as a Christian we use Jesus as a model, can you say that you spoke to Rev as Jesus would speak to him?

[Matt]

Wow! By page 2 of this thread I was ready to use :pic
As it went on I changed my mind. Every so often we need to dump some of the sewerage. This seems to be the thread for getting rid of some of our frustrations.
Coulter has a way of creating a cesspool around her, doesn't she?

[GreenEyedLady]

Wow! By page 2 of this thread I was ready to use :pic
As it went on I changed my mind. Every so often we need to dump some of the sewerage. This seems to be the thread for getting rid of some of our frustrations.
Coulter has a way of creating a cesspool around her, doesn't she?
It would seem I am the only one upset by the way the conversation is going in here....dump some of the sewage?...getting rid of frustrations?

Peach I guess you should just do whatever you want. This is just another area I need to stay away from.

[wvpeach]

If as a Christian we use Jesus as a model, can you say that you spoke to Rev as Jesus would speak to him?

Absolutely Jesus called men dens of vipers and drove them out of God's house with a whip.

The Lord Jesus is loving. But when people start trying to lie about the bible or the word of God then Jesus got pretty sarcastic with them and he gave that to them straight forwardly.

I emulate my Lord in all ways that I can. If I am talking to a person who is gentle with me then I am gentle with them.

You SuNNI I suspect have not bothered to read the beginning of this thread and I certainly do not see you talking to the Rev about the crude way he started this by talking to me .

Course he is a man and I am a woman and that may be why he gets a pass from you SuNNI. You seem to not value your women friends as much as you do your men friends.

I am your friend SuNNI. Hope all is well with you.

[wvpeach]

It would seem I am the only one upset by the way the conversation is going in here....dump some of the sewage?...getting rid of frustrations?

Peach I guess you should just do whatever you want. This is just another area I need to stay away from.


If I thought you would tell the same thing to a man SuNNI I would give your words more weight. Unfortunately I do not believe you would.

[AYFR]

[/QUOTE]Wrong Rev

Isa 2:4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Among the nations means the PEOPLE in the nations. It is still talking about the PEOPLE as noted by the
and shall rebuke many people
He judges them whether they are good or not THEN rebukes those that have fallen.
Ever known a time when nations have been judged by Christ so that they beat their swords into plows and knew war no more? ...................What is that Rev? No you say, that would be right the judgment of the nations is yet to come.
THe judgement of PEOPLES. Nations are not alive, it is the PEOPLES that make them.

And not that I have a lot of time for grown people who don't know their bible but I will give you a couple others just in case your a pup and don't know any better I will give you the benefit of that . I hope your a pup anyway.
LOL I have read and studied the Bible ALL my life.
For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land… Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather yourselves there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD. Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Go in, tread, for the winepress is full. The vats overflow, for their evil is great. Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining. The LORD roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake. But the LORD is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel. So you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who dwells in Zion, my holy mountain. And Jerusalem shall be holy, and strangers shall never again pass through it." Joel 3:1-2, 11-17


Matthew 25 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

PEOPLE again
Matthew 25
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.


Nations will be judged just like individuals will be Rev. The bible says this many, many times , above are just a few examples.

Got a idea for you Rev maybe you should pick up the bible and read it.
It seems tha tyou are the one that need to STUDY the Bible. Reading is nothing without STUDY.

Whenever the Bible talks about nations it is talking about the PEOPLE in that nation.
Head to head about what? While the old testament can be a bit confusing to some with all its prophesies, the new testament is so simply worded even a child can understand it.

There is no debate about the teachings of christ they are straight forward and simple and revolve around love for God and then love for everybody else.

Coarse you have to know the bible to try to debate it and by your statement above that the nations won't be judged, I can tell you, Rev; do not know the bible.

Trust me I take my bible seriously and do not use it as a game or in pride. But its apparent since you don't even have a clue about the judgment of nations, that you Rev would need about a dozen years to catch up to me and then perhaps we could debate the bible on a level that would not be so unfair to you.

I have no desire to make you look foolish Rev. That is not my intent. It is however my job as a servant of Christs, not to let people like you lie about what the bible says. That is my job.

So i suggest you either stop quoting the bible or make very sure you know what your talking about when I am around.
So I take that as a NO, you have too much pride and it is apparent that you only want the Bible to mean what you wish it to mean.
As for my job is Chirst it is to spread the Gospel and bring people to Jesus but you have fun trying to correct everone instead of doing what was commanded.
GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES was the command.
Why not? If your wife went next door and you caught her holding hands with the man next door. Then next you know she was paying people to drop bombs on innocent children and killing them wouldn't you say she sucked and this was a disaster?

See people like you don't have a clue what is going on. For starters this nation has had it good points. But if you add up the actions of this nation the bad would far outweigh the good. I mean after all we slaughtered the Indians to take their land. We enslaved and killed blacks in some places in this country they would still like to do that.

We help to starve poor people to death by spraying herbicides on their food crops in the name of our ridiculous drug war. We are constantly propping up a dictator here or there who kills his own people as long as he will let us get the oil. Then a dozen years later like with Saddam we want rid of him because he will not be our puppet anymore.

Who knows how many people in poor countries we have killed in the last 3 decades . That number would be in the millions no doubt. Clinton for instance sent US troops to fight on the side of Muslims in Serbia to kill Christians because those particular Muslims we decided were good for us economically and strategically .

Now Iraq and a president that is evil let alone is qualified to decide who in the rest of the world is evil.

I would say all the above sucks. And it sure was a disaster for the kids who died when we dropped bombs on their heads in iraq. Or do you think you could convince the parents of those dead children in Iraq that killing their child did not suck Rev? Good luck with that.

See Rev , unlike you some of us live in reality. We don't pretend everything is peachy keen when it is not and the record of the US is certainly not peachy keen by a long shot.
I never said we were perfect but we are better then other nations. And we are a LONG LONG was from being a disaster or sucking

Again if the US is so very bad why stay here?
Surely there is another nation that you would like better.

[AYFR]

If as a Christian we use Jesus as a model, can you say that you spoke to Rev as Jesus would speak to him?

Actually Jesus DID speak harshly to people that were wrong.

Peach is doing them same by speaking harshly to be because she thinks I am wrong. (I'm not but that is beside the point)

You must speak the truth and sometimes the truth is not pleasent or nice.

[AYFR]

Absolutely Jesus called men dens of vipers and drove them out of God's house with a whip.

The Lord Jesus is loving. But when people start trying to lie about the bible or the word of God then Jesus got pretty sarcastic with them and he gave that to them straight forwardly.

I emulate my Lord in all ways that I can. If I am talking to a person who is gentle with me then I am gentle with them.

You SuNNI I suspect have not bothered to read the beginning of this thread and I certainly do not see you talking to the Rev about the crude way he started this by talking to me .

Course he is a man and I am a woman and that may be why he gets a pass from you SuNNI. You seem to not value your women friends as much as you do your men friends.

I am your friend SuNNI. Hope all is well with you.

If I thought you would tell the same thing to a man SuNNI I would give your words more weight. Unfortunately I do not believe you would.
Maybe she speaks that way to you because she is your friend. She does not know me.

Try looking at it through that light.


I am not sure a debate would be a good thing, I suspect that we would agree more then disagree.
Hmmm.

[GreenEyedLady]

Absolutely Jesus called men dens of vipers and drove them out of God's house with a whip.

The Lord Jesus is loving. But when people start trying to lie about the bible or the word of God then Jesus got pretty sarcastic with them and he gave that to them straight forwardly.

I emulate my Lord in all ways that I can. If I am talking to a person who is gentle with me then I am gentle with them.

You SuNNI I suspect have not bothered to read the beginning of this thread and I certainly do not see you talking to the Rev about the crude way he started this by talking to me .

Course he is a man and I am a woman and that may be why he gets a pass from you SuNNI. You seem to not value your women friends as much as you do your men friends.

I am your friend SuNNI. Hope all is well with you.

I have not read the whole thread...you are correct. I was surprised to see you talk this way. I have never seen you talk in a religious thread as you did here...but I have only seen your posts at APAM, and you know I got out of them when they started to get upsetting to me.

You are wrong...I have already jumped in and told two men how disrespectful they were being to each other.
That comment from you to me was below the belt. Again, you have shocked me. I guess I don't really know you at all.

[Matt]

Most of us had no idea how a primary election played out.
This is the first year that I had become aware of how the caucuses worked and the TX two-step.

Then there were the states trying to vote ahead of other states even tho the rules forbid this.

To add to the confusion, some of the states got a pass while others did not. I still don't know exactly how that was worked out.

As for saying that Hillary (whom I voted for because my candidate got knocked out of the race by a handful of people in Iowa) was the people's choice, there will never be a way to know.

Perhaps the real solution would be to rethink the primary election and work from there.

The only correlation between this primary election and the general election where Gore received more of the popular vote is that we are beginning to grasp that our system is not 'one person, one vote'.

The irregularities in the 2000 election were the reason for the complaints.
We have complained about the electoral college but most of us did realize that was the way it worked.

I definitely did not realize how much the primaries & caucuses deviated from what we have considered a democratic voting system.

Obama has been selected by the system in play this year in a fair manner. He is our presumptive nominee.

I am wearing my button and working for my candidate!!! OBAMA

[wvpeach]

Wrong Rev warping the bible is not nice, You should know that your a grown man. The nations will be judged. How many bible scholar articles would you like for me to pull up to tell you that nations and individuals will be judged?

Why would I leave where God put me Rev? God set Christ down in the middle of a bunch of sinning hypocrites among the church and if its good enough for my Lord to live with those kind of people then its good enough for me.

Doesn't matter what other nations do Rev. This is the nation we live in and this is the nation we will be judged by in our public and political choices and well as individuals. Who cares if other nations are bad? God is not going to say to those who have done wrong, well I will give you a scaled grade. Your bad , but this one is worse. Murder is murder anyway you cut it and this nation does a lot of murdering.

As for



Among the nations means the PEOPLE in the nations. It is still talking about the PEOPLE as noted by the
and shall rebuke many people
He judges them whether they are good or not THEN rebukes those that have fallen.

THe judgement of PEOPLES. Nations are not alive, it is the PEOPLES that make them.

LOL I have read and studied the Bible ALL my life.




PEOPLE again
Matthew 25
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Now your adding words to the bible or your have a bad translation Rev. Matthew 25:31 reads like this. 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Do you see the word people in there anywhere Rev? Or did you just add that word yourself?
While its true people will be judged individually its also true that entire nations will be judged for how they treated each other and the least among them in their own nations. After all many nations are not Christian , the people of God and Christian nations will be judged first and then the rest of the world.





It seems tha tyou are the one that need to STUDY the Bible. Reading is nothing without STUDY.

Whenever the Bible talks about nations it is talking about the PEOPLE in that nation.

So I take that as a NO, you have too much pride and it is apparent that you only want the Bible to mean what you wish it to mean.
As for my job is Chirst it is to spread the Gospel and bring people to Jesus but you have fun trying to correct everone instead of doing what was commanded.
GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES was the command.

I never said we were perfect but we are better then other nations. And we are a LONG LONG was from being a disaster or sucking

Again if the US is so very bad why stay here?
Surely there is another nation that you would like better.[/QUOTE]

[wvpeach]

I have not read the whole thread...you are correct. I was surprised to see you talk this way. I have never seen you talk in a religious thread as you did here...but I have only seen your posts at APAM, and you know I got out of them when they started to get upsetting to me.

You are wrong...I have already jumped in and told two men how disrespectful they were being to each other.
That comment from you to me was below the belt. Again, you have shocked me. I guess I don't really know you at all.

Well lets see you and I have discussed our children many times. Played cards together and laughed together yet you would come in here SuNNI and address me without even reading the entire thread?

Sorry SuNNI is is not me who is betraying our friendship . I would most certainly give you the benefit of the doubt and I would read all the thread before deciding that SuNNI my friend was the one in the wrong.

But that is just me , I value my friends more than the attention of some man I barely know. Again that is just me.

[Matt]

It would seem I am the only one upset by the way the conversation is going in here....dump some of the sewage?...getting rid of frustrations?

Peach I guess you should just do whatever you want. This is just another area I need to stay away from.

I was ready to leave the thread. The :pic did not show up what the emoticons said.

I didn't visit this area for about a year and then fell in by accident like Alice In Wonderland ~ when a thread I was interested in got thrown in here.

I have certainly enjoyed some of the posts by GEL and Peach.
If Shock Therapy and Looney Lounge are too much just hang around with us in the other threads. :D

[wvpeach]

There is no need for all that matt. The entire system needs chucked and redone.

First of all we need a lot more than two parties .

Most of us had no idea how a primary election played out.
This is the first year that I had become aware of how the caucuses worked and the TX two-step.

Then there were the states trying to vote ahead of other states even tho the rules forbid this.

To add to the confusion, some of the states got a pass while others did not. I still don't know exactly how that was worked out.

As for saying that Hillary (whom I voted for because my candidate got knocked out of the race by a handful of people in Iowa) was the people's choice, there will never be a way to know.

Perhaps the real solution would be to rethink the primary election and work from there.

The only correlation between this primary election and the general election where Gore received more of the popular vote is that we are beginning to grasp that our system is not 'one person, one vote'.

The irregularities in the 2000 election were the reason for the complaints.
We have complained about the electoral college but most of us did realize that was the way it worked.

I definitely did not realize how much the primaries & caucuses deviated from what we have considered a democratic voting system.

Obama has been selected by the system in play this year in a fair manner. He is our presumptive nominee.

I am wearing my button and working for my candidate!!! OBAMA

[GreenEyedLady]

Well lets see you and I have discussed our children many times. Played cards together and laughed together yet you would come in here SuNNI and address me without even reading the entire thread?

Sorry SuNNI is is not me who is betraying our friendship . I would most certainly give you the benefit of the doubt and I would read all the thread before deciding that SuNNI my friend was the one in the wrong.

But that is just me , I value my friends more than the attention of some man I barely know. Again that is just me.

I approached you because I thought you might listen to me. I don't know the Rev and didn't think he would. I know he is about the age of my oldest daughter with a wife and a few young children. I don't want his attention or value his opinion as I value your opinion.

YOu are right...I needed to read the whole thread, but even if I had, I would still have approached you because of our relationship. That you might listen to me where I doubt he would have.

What I have learned since leaving the confines of the computer boards and the few religious boards I was a member of...is that I definitely don't belong on political forums or forums that allow the people to be abusive to each other.

[AYFR]

Wrong Rev warping the bible is not nice, You should know that your a grown man. The nations will be judged. How many bible scholar articles would you like for me to pull up to tell you that nations and individuals will be judged?
I am not warping the Bible


Why would I leave where God put me Rev? God set Christ down in the middle of a bunch of sinning hypocrites among the church and if its good enough for my Lord to live with those kind of people then its good enough for me.If God put you here then consider it a blessing and look at the positive.
Do Not Worry
25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
Matthew 6:27




Doesn't matter what other nations do Rev. This is the nation we live in and this is the nation we will be judged by in our public and political choices and well as individuals. Who cares if other nations are bad? God is not going to say to those who have done wrong, well I will give you a scaled grade. Your bad , but this one is worse. Murder is murder anyway you cut it and this nation does a lot of murdering.
My point is that we can NEVER be perfect that is why we can be forgiven.
As for



Among the nations means the PEOPLE in the nations. It is still talking about the PEOPLE as noted by the
and shall rebuke many people
He judges them whether they are good or not THEN rebukes those that have fallen.

THe judgement of PEOPLES. Nations are not alive, it is the PEOPLES that make them.

LOL I have read and studied the Bible ALL my life.




PEOPLE again
Matthew 25
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Now your adding words to the bible or your have a bad translation Rev. Matthew 25:31 reads like this. 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Do you see the word people in there anywhere Rev? Or did you just add that word yourself?
Nope not a bad translation it is the NIV translation

While its true people will be judged individually its also true that entire nations will be judged for how they treated each other and the least among them in their own nations. After all many nations are not Christian , the people of God and Christian nations will be judged first and then the rest of the world.
No that goes against all of God's teachings. We are responsible for ourselves and our households. It is that freewill thing.


Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?"

Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). Every believer will give an account of himself, and the Lord will judge the decisions he made—including those concerning issues of conscience. This judgment does not determine salvation, which is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), but rather is the time when believers must give an account of their lives in service to Christ. Our position in Christ is the “foundation” spoken of in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. That which we build upon the foundation can be the “gold, silver, and precious stones” of good works in Christ’s name, obedience and fruitfulness—dedicated spiritual service to glorify God and build the church. Or what we build on the foundation may be the “wood, hay and stubble” of worthless, frivolous, shallow activity with no spiritual value. The Judgment Seat of Christ will reveal this.

The gold, silver and precious stones in the lives of believers will survive God’s refining fire (v. 13), and believers will be rewarded based on those good works—how faithfully we served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27), how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, whether they were truly indicative of our position in Christ. The fire of God’s judgment will completely burn up the “wood, hay and stubble” of the words we spoke and things we did which had no eternal value. “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:12 ).

The second judgment is that of unbelievers who will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever who has rejected Christ in life and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire. Revelation 20: 12 says that unbelievers will be “judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Those who have rejected Christ as Lord and Savior will be judged based on their works alone, and because the Bible tells us that “by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16), they will be condemned. No amount of good works and the keeping of God’s laws can be sufficient to atone for sin. All their thoughts, words and actions will be judged against God’s perfect standard and found wanting. There will be no reward for them, only eternal condemnation and punishment.
http://www.gotquestions.org/judgment.html

[AYFR]

This is the wrong place for this discussion and we aparently are upsetting people.
I am ending my part of it
I will add though; wvpeach I apologize for calling you arrogant.

[wvpeach]

Any translation that adds to or takes away from the word of God is a bad translation.

So tell me Rev is the old king James the way it was read for hundreds of years wrong , or is your NIV with a few added words the wrong one?

[AYFR]

Any translation that adds to or takes away from the word of God is a bad translation.

So tell me Rev is the old king James the way it was read for hundreds of years wrong , or is your NIV with a few added words the wrong one?

According to you first statement then only the Hebrew Bible written in the original language is the only good translation.

Just because something is done for hundreds of years does not make it right.

The KJV has been proven to have several mistakes

Here is just one

Exodus 20:13
13Thou shalt not kill.

The word kill is the wrong word the original word is ratash

Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.” (ratsach, raw-tsakh') Actually this verse simply says murder in the Hebrew. There are eight words in the Hebrew language that translate into English as murder or kill. Yet the sixth commandment uses a word that stands above the other seven Hebrew words and is seldom used. Here the scripture is making a differentiation between what God considers lawful killing and unlawful killing.
http://hissheep.org/messages/6-thou_shalt_not_kill.html


More mistakes
http://www.bibletexts.com/topics/kjv.htm

Why Are There Errors in the King James Version?

You have probably heard the joke about the bigoted Protestant fundamentalist who said, "If the King James Version was good enough for the apostles, it is good enough for me!" People sometimes forget that the KJV was published in 1611 A.D.

For centuries prior to 1611, Latin was the only scholarly language in Europe. The Latin Vulgate translation of Jerome, based upon a[n] . . . Alexandrian Text, was the "official" text of the powerful Roman Catholic Church.

Protestant translators sometimes did not have access to all of the Received Greek Official Text, and being familiar with the Vulgate, they sometimes put words into their translations based upon the Latin which were never there in the original Greek. Schaff points out that in about 80 places in the New Testament, the KJV adopts Latin readings not found in the Greek. Erasmus had a corrupt, incomplete text of Revelation to work from, and hence this book has many errors in the KJV.

The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had. . . .
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/graphic1designer/errors.html

Question: "Why are the newer translations of the Bible missing verses?"

Answer: If you compare the King James and New King James Versions with the newer translations (e.g. the New International Version, New American Standard, New Living Translation, etc.) - you will notice that several verses are entirely missing from the newer translations. Examples are John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and 1 John 5:7. Mark 16:9-20 is another example, although it is always placed in the text or in footnotes. Why do these translations not have these verses? Are the newer translations taking verses out of the Bible?

The answer is that the translators did not believe these verses should have been in the Bible to begin with. Since the KJV was translated in A.D. 1611, many Biblical manuscripts have been discovered that are older and more accurate than the manuscripts the KJV was based on. When Bible scholars researched through these manuscripts, they discovered some differences. It seems that over the course of 1500 years, some words, phrases, and even sentences were added to the Bible (either intentionally or accidentally). The verses mentioned above are simply not found in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. So, the newer translations remove these verses or place them in footnotes or in the margin because they do not truly belong in the Bible.

It is important to remember, however, that the verses in question are of minor significance. None of them change in any way the crucial themes of the Bible, nor do they have any impact on the Bible’s doctrines—Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, Christ as the only the way of salvation, heaven and hell, sin and redemption, and the nature and character of God. These are preserved intact through the work of the Holy Spirit, who safeguards the Word of God for all generations.
http://www.gotquestions.org/missing-verses.html

[Matt]

Interesting explanations. It's surprising that so many think that the people of the Bible spoke as though they were doing a play by Shakespeare, beautiful though it is.
I enjoy my New Living translation. For years I used the New English Bible. As a Sunday School teacher of middle school children, it was so much simpler for them to read. I studied the work that went into the translation and was very impressed.
So much has become acceptable by the church and in the church in my lifetime. But, as you state, the crucial themes remain the same.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Most of us had no idea how a primary election played out.
This is the first year that I had become aware of how the caucuses worked and the TX two-step.....

Obama has been selected by the system in play this year in a fair manner. He is our presumptive nominee.

I am wearing my button and working for my candidate!!! OBAMAThe system worked. The Texas Two Step is different in that it combined both a primary and a convention/caucus. I liked it because it developed party unity. Because of the two step, I got to know some nice Obama supporters including two people from my precinct who are going to be national delegates to Denver.

Caucuses are not bad per se. Caucuses were put in as a reform to get a way from back room deals and bosses selecting the candidates. Caucuses are nice in that they help develop party unity and help develope the party. I have a thread on the benefits that the Texas Demcratic Party realized due to the Texas Two Step on the Real Crazies board.

The key thing that will be changed between now and 2012 will be the issue of timing. The hearing at the DNC rules committee was great in that it aired out the issues with Iowa and New Hampshire. Between now and 2012 there will be reform in this area.

The process worked and I am happy with the nominee. Do not let silly people like Coulter detract from the result.

[Trueblue]

I see your point about opening up the process. I wonder if more states should rely on a combination of caucus and primary.

[Matt]

The system worked. The Texas Two Step is different in that it combined both a primary and a convention/caucus. I liked it because it developed party unity. Because of the two step, I got to know some nice Obama supporters including two people from my precinct who are going to be national delegates to Denver.

Caucuses are not bad per se. Caucuses were put in as a reform to get a way from back room deals and bosses selecting the candidates. Caucuses are nice in that they help develop party unity and help develope the party. I have a thread on the benefits that the Texas Demcratic Party realized due to the Texas Two Step on the Real Crazies board.

The key thing that will be changed between now and 2012 will be the issue of timing. The hearing at the DNC rules committee was great in that it aired out the issues with Iowa and New Hampshire. Between now and 2012 there will be reform in this area.

The process worked and I am happy with the nominee. Do not let silly people like Coulter detract from the result.

Very interesting. Thanks. I like like this board because I can learn from others.
I will definitely never be guilty of letting Coulter influence me on anything.
She is Rush in a skirt ~ will do and say anything to promote herself.

An entertainer ~ not a reporter.
If only people could distinguish between news, editorial comments, and entertainment shows that allow anything. :roll

[Yellowdogtexan]

Reagonomics set the table for the prosperity of the 90's. You have problem with properity?No but your are wrong and your claims are wrong. Reaganonics were a failure. The tax cut fairy does not exist. There is a nice thread that debunks the stupidity of reaganomics and the tax cut fairy.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I just love how y'all two seem to know better then the rest of America.You do realize that most of America think that the economy is not doing well and blame the bush adminsitration and its failed policies for the sad shape our economy is in?