Reinstate The Draft!!

[Lone Laugher]

http://www.draftregistration.us/

[AYFR]

Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) has long advocated returning to the draft, but his efforts drew little attention during the 12 years that House Democrats were in the minority. Starting in January, however, he will chair the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee. Yesterday he said "you bet your life" he will renew his drive for a draft.

"I will be introducing that bill as soon as we start the new session," Rangel said on CBS's "Face the Nation." He portrayed the draft, suspended since 1973, as a means of spreading military obligations more equitably and prompting political leaders to think twice before starting wars.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," said Rangel, a Korean War veteran. "If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/19/AR2006111901100.html
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[SavageJug]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/19/AR2006111901100.html
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Beat me to the draw with the Charles Rangel link. :nerd

[AYFR]

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/gotcha.gif

[issac the dragon]

I thought the original post was a joke. Did you read the form that had to be filled out to register?

On a serious note, yes. We need to equalize the sacrifice and make it real to all people. Not just a few, often more religious and more serious about their obligations to their country. And there are many young men and women who would not be hurt by having to do something serious, and having to give a little back. Nor would it hurt their parents to have to be concerned before they sanction another war, as Rangal pointed out.

[Saguaro]

I have objected to the Iraq war since Bush started it, I will do everything within my power to keep my sons out of it

[AYFR]

I thought the original post was a joke. Did you read the form that had to be filled out to register?

On a serious note, yes. We need to equalize the sacrifice and make it real to all people. Not just a few, often more religious and more serious about their obligations to their country. And there are many young men and women who would not be hurt by having to do something serious, and having to give a little back. Nor would it hurt their parents to have to be concerned before they sanction another war, as Rangal pointed out.
It was a joke.
©2004 - a chickenhead productions & whitehouse.org parody - all rights reserved

[SavageJug]

I have objected to the Iraq war since Bush started it, I will do everything within my power to keep my sons out of it

John McCain's son served.


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/14/mccains_marine_son_home_from_iraq/1920/

[bossfan]

I thought the original post was a joke. Did you read the form that had to be filled out to register?

On a serious note, yes. We need to equalize the sacrifice and make it real to all people. Not just a few, often more religious and more serious about their obligations to their country. And there are many young men and women who would not be hurt by having to do something serious, and having to give a little back. Nor would it hurt their parents to have to be concerned before they sanction another war, as Rangal pointed out.

So you think it is the role of government to make sure that our young men and women are doing something serious with their lives? Just how far do you want to take that idea?

There is absolutely no reason to reinstate the draft when every branch of the United States military is meeting its recruiting goals.

In other words, there are already enough young men and women in this country who are are voluntarily enlisting.

The only reason for reinstating the draft would be to create more Cindy Sheehans....

[jim]

I thought the original post was a joke. Did you read the form that had to be filled out to register?

On a serious note, yes. We need to equalize the sacrifice and make it real to all people. Not just a few, often more religious and more serious about their obligations to their country. And there are many young men and women who would not be hurt by having to do something serious, and having to give a little back. Nor would it hurt their parents to have to be concerned before they sanction another war, as Rangal pointed out.

I would pull them in long enough to learn what learn the military and a military job so to speak in case of an emergency. Then I would have some type of meeting, "drill" etc much like the National Guard to keep up their military skills - and it does involve skills.:pb It would be very surprising how many would choose the military as a career just as it was in my time - in which there weren't voc-tech schools and the military provided me et al with a trade and wider vision for furthering educations...Then - one meets so many great people in and out of the military - in and out of the US. And for most - it dissolves that "prima-donna" entitlement complex in a hurry.:rooster:yep

[Saguaro]

John McCain's son served.


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/14/mccains_marine_son_home_from_iraq/1920/

He comes from a military family, no surprise there.

[toxic]

So you think it is the role of government to make sure that our young men and women are doing something serious with their lives? Just how far do you want to take that idea?

There is absolutely no reason to reinstate the draft when every branch of the United States military is meeting its recruiting goals.

In other words, there are already enough young men and women in this country who are are voluntarily enlisting.

The only reason for reinstating the draft would be to create more Cindy Sheehans....


Yes, citizen soldiers is a time honored tradition for citizens with honor. Hiring mercenaries or recruiting from prisons is for dictators.

If the people believe in a war, then they God-Damn ought to be willing to see their sons die in it. Otherwise, it isn't a war worth fighting.

What kids will learn by going to war is, their parents are fking idiots and were too cowardly to serve and learn the lessons of war in their own youth.

That is an education any voter should be required to have.

[bossfan]

Yes, citizen soldiers is a time honored tradition for citizens with honor. Hiring mercenaries or recruiting from prisons is for dictators.

If the people believe in a war, then they God-Damn ought to be willing to see their sons die in it. Otherwise, it isn't a war worth fighting.

What kids will learn by going to war is, their parents are fking idiots and were too cowardly to serve and learn the lessons of war in their own youth.

That is an education any voter should be required to have.

Translation: you want to bring back the draft to create more Cindy Sheehans.

I have already stated as much...

[jim]

I would pull them in long enough to learn about the military and learn a military job so to speak in case of an emergency. Then I would have some type of meeting, "drill" etc much like the National Guard to keep up their military skills - and it does involve skills.:pb It would be very surprising how many would choose the military as a career just as it was in my time - in which there weren't voc-tech schools and the military provided me et al with a trade and wider vision for furthering educations...Then - one meets so many great people in and out of the military - in and out of the US. And for most - it dissolves that "prima-donna" entitlement complex in a hurry.:rooster:yep

I usually don't follow up on my own posts but meant to mention that question as to whether we have a country anymore might be omnipresent nowadays - and certainly is present in some circles. Noone IMO has so much going at eighteen that he/she couldn't put in a year - say. But there is doubt among many:rooster:sumo:charge

[issac the dragon]

Translation: you want to bring back the draft to create more Cindy Sheehans.

I have already stated as much...

I am certain you know that Sheehans son was a volunteer, and he probably would have disavowed his mother's opinions. IMO, her anger stems directly from the knowledge that he put himself in harms way. She can't admit she is angry at him.

[bossfan]

I am certain you know that Sheehans son was a volunteer, and he probably would have disavowed his mother's opinions. IMO, her anger stems directly from the knowledge that he put himself in harms way. She can't admit she is angry at him.

Not only did he volunteer, he also reinlisted after 9/11!

What does that tell you?

[toxic]

Yes, citizen soldiers is a time honored tradition for citizens with honor. Hiring mercenaries or recruiting from prisons is for dictators.

If the people believe in a war, then they God-Damn ought to be willing to see their sons die in it. Otherwise, it isn't a war worth fighting.

What kids will learn by going to war is, their parents are fking idiots and were too cowardly to serve and learn the lessons of war in their own youth.

That is an education any voter should be required to have.

I am certain you know that Sheehans son was a volunteer, and he probably would have disavowed his mother's opinions. IMO, her anger stems directly from the knowledge that he put himself in harms way. She can't admit she is angry at him.

Not only did he volunteer, he also reinlisted after 9/11!
What does that tell you?


I really hate to be repetitive, but WTF do you people think a boy in his late teens understands about the legitimaticy of a mission that the big Mr. President of the USA claims is necessary????

Teenagers should expect adults 35-70 years old to have the fking experience to properly advise them.

Poor teens, what did they get.

Piss poor advice from a President and fat assed Senators, CongressPersons and Jewish Lobby who ALL avoided combat military service. Greatest Generation losers who never saw a battlefield in WWII.

Of the 2 million Vietnam Veterans, most REMFs had learned little more than how to ride a Harly Davidson to Washington DC for their own personal attention.

Blaming Cindy or her son is pretty lame. It seems to me that Cindy at least gained the experience after her son's death.

So how does any of that justify the cowardly who are too wimpy to stand-up against the war or fight in it. They just act like feminine pawns, who get slam fked on their back because they care more about their cell phone, nipple pearcing, spiked hair and cloths ... than what is important.

[jim]

I really hate to be repetitive, but WTF do you people think a boy in his late teens understands about the legitimaticy of a mission that the big Mr. President of the USA claims is necessary????Teenagers should expect adults 35-70 years old to have the fking experience to properly advise them.

Poor teens, what did they get.

Piss poor advice from a President and fat assed Senators, CongressPersons and Jewish Lobby who ALL avoided combat military service. Greatest Generation losers who never saw a battlefield in WWII.

Of the 2 million Vietnam Veterans, most REMFs had learned little more than how to ride a Harly Davidson to Washington DC for their own personal attention.

Blaming Cindy or her son is pretty lame. It seems to me that Cindy at least gained the experience after her son's death.

So how does any of that justify the cowardly who are too wimpy to stand-up against the war or fight in it. They just act like feminine pawns, who get slam fked on their back because they care more about their cell phone, nipple pearcing, spiked hair and cloths ... than what is important.

Right on!!!:godzilla

[Ringo]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/19/AR2006111901100.html
:whistle

Don't forget because Rangel is an IDIOT, he thinks the only ones fighting in Iraq are descendants of Kunta Kinte, and not Intelligent Young Men making this THEIR decision!!

Rangal gets Votes, like Waters does and how Sharpton and the NAACP do, by pointing out to Blacks the LIES of Racism! We now have another pair coming up the chute in the likes of Wright-ODummy, to point out that, if you kill someone and your Black, them White Lawmen gonna mess with ya alls, theys Racist!!!

Liberal Progressive-DNC-Move ON scare tactics, that Iran will be invaded, unless we put the IDIOT from Chicago in Office!!

I feel sorry for the children of Liberals of America, as tehy have NO One to defend them, as their Parents will cower behind REAL American adults, even if this Nation was invaded, and IT WILL BE in time!!:sheep:charge:mw:mw

[jim]

Don't forget because Rangel is an IDIOT, he thinks the only ones fighting in Iraq are descendants of Kunta Kinte, and not Intelligent Young Men making this THEIR decision!!

Rangal gets Votes, like Waters does and how Sharpton and the NAACP do, by pointing out to Blacks the LIES of Racism! We now have another pair coming up the chute in the likes of Wright-ODummy, to point out that, if you kill someone and your Black, them White Lawmen gonna mess with ya alls, theys Racist!!!

Liberal Progressive-DNC-Move ON scare tactics, that Iran will be invaded, unless we put the IDIOT from Chicago in Office!!

I feel sorry for the children of Liberals of America, as tehy have NO One to defend them, as their Parents will cower behind REAL American adults, even if this Nation was invaded, and IT WILL BE in time!!:sheep:charge:mw:mw

Good Lord. Ringo!! Do you have fever with these spells??:sumo:hotdog:hulk

[bossfan]

I really hate to be repetitive, but WTF do you people think a boy in his late teens understands about the legitimaticy of a mission that the big Mr. President of the USA claims is necessary????

Teenagers should expect adults 35-70 years old to have the fking experience to properly advise them.

Poor teens, what did they get.

Piss poor advice from a President and fat assed Senators, CongressPersons and Jewish Lobby who ALL avoided combat military service. Greatest Generation losers who never saw a battlefield in WWII.

Of the 2 million Vietnam Veterans, most REMFs had learned little more than how to ride a Harly Davidson to Washington DC for their own personal attention.

Blaming Cindy or her son is pretty lame. It seems to me that Cindy at least gained the experience after her son's death.

So how does any of that justify the cowardly who are too wimpy to stand-up against the war or fight in it. They just act like feminine pawns, who get slam fked on their back because they care more about their cell phone, nipple pearcing, spiked hair and cloths ... than what is important.

He understands enough to enlist in the military, which puts him under obligation to his country and the strong possibility that he me be called to fight in a war.

[toxic]

He understands enough to enlist in the military, which puts him under obligation to his country and the strong possibility that he me be called to fight in a war.

Only if people are stupid enough to vote for an idiot in 2004. I put the blame on EVERY voter who elected Bush in 2004 after they had an opportunity to understand what a moron he was.

You apparently are looking for some "out" for yourself or your cowardly child. Sorry, you don't get a "pass" here.

Cindy's kid was a young boy, who had the misconception that Democracy works. He didn't know that voters are selfish idiots.

[bossfan]

Only if people are stupid enough to vote for an idiot in 2004. I put the blame on EVERY voter who elected Bush in 2004 after they had an opportunity to understand what a moron he was.

You apparently are looking for some "out" for yourself or your cowardly child. Sorry, you don't get a "pass" here.

Cindy's kid was a young boy, who had the misconception that Democracy works. He didn't know that voters are selfish idiots.

Don't let it get you down, toxic. There are still plenty of opportunities in life to find happiness.

[John Gault]

Yes, citizen soldiers is a time honored tradition for citizens with honor. Hiring mercenaries or recruiting from prisons is for dictators.

If the people believe in a war, then they God-Damn ought to be willing to see their sons die in it. Otherwise, it isn't a war worth fighting.

What kids will learn by going to war is, their parents are fking idiots and were too cowardly to serve and learn the lessons of war in their own youth.

That is an education any voter should be required to have.


So what unit did you serve in?

[John Gault]

I really hate to be repetitive, but WTF do you people think a boy in his late teens understands about the legitimaticy of a mission that the big Mr. President of the USA claims is necessary????

.


About the same they understand about who to vote for.

That's why I am for rasing the voting age to 25.

[John Gault]

Don't forget because Rangel is an IDIOT, he thinks the only ones fighting in Iraq are descendants of Kunta Kinte, and not Intelligent Young Men making this THEIR decision!!

Rangal gets Votes, like Waters does and how Sharpton and the NAACP do, by pointing out to Blacks the LIES of Racism! We now have another pair coming up the chute in the likes of Wright-ODummy, to point out that, if you kill someone and your Black, them White Lawmen gonna mess with ya alls, theys Racist!!!

Liberal Progressive-DNC-Move ON scare tactics, that Iran will be invaded, unless we put the IDIOT from Chicago in Office!!

I feel sorry for the children of Liberals of America, as tehy have NO One to defend them, as their Parents will cower behind REAL American adults, even if this Nation was invaded, and IT WILL BE in time!!:sheep:charge:mw:mw

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134546,00.html

He is a sorry james brown looking blowhard.

It is all a political play nothing else. When the republicans called his bluff even he voted against it.

[John Gault]

Only if people are stupid enough to vote for an idiot in 2004. I put the blame on EVERY voter who elected Bush in 2004 after they had an opportunity to understand what a moron he was.

You apparently are looking for some "out" for yourself or your cowardly child. Sorry, you don't get a "pass" here.

Cindy's kid was a young boy, who had the misconception that Democracy works. He didn't know that voters are selfish idiots.

I voted for him both times and if you put the socialist morons he beat up again, I would vote for him again.

I don't like Bush, he is a terrible public speaker, he has allowed government to grow too much and spend too much. His immigration ideas are stupid. But the reason he is wrong on all those issues is where he has the most in common with the democrats.

[Trueblue]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134546,00.html

He is a sorry james brown looking blowhard.

It is all a political play nothing else. When the republicans called his bluff even he voted against it.

Pubs are so obsessed with how pols look. :lmao

[toxic]

Don't let it get you down, toxic. There are still plenty of opportunities in life to find happiness.

Don't mistake my critical performance review of you for a lack of happiness. I am happy and also hope that you are trainable. Some here at TPA aren't :)


So what unit did you serve in?

Come-on Capitalist, you know you'll just say I'm bragging if I list them.

[toxic]

About the same they understand about who to vote for.

That's why I am for rasing the voting age to 25.

That's because you are getting to be an old fart, but don't worry, it will pass. Soon you will realize that we let young kids make mistakes so they can learn.

Look at all the mistakes you have made. We are all hoping that you will soon catch on.


I voted for him both times and if you put the socialist morons he beat up again, I would vote for him again.

I don't like Bush, he is a terrible public speaker, he has allowed government to grow too much and spend too much. His immigration ideas are stupid. But the reason he is wrong on all those issues is where he has the most in common with the democrats.

It really strikes me funny that you Neo-Cons keep calling Democrats Socialists, when Neo-Cons derived from Totalitarian Trotskyist Communists.

Perhaps you noticed that Bush:
- doubled the size of government,
- spent money faster than President LB Johnson,
- is completely irresponsible fisically,
- has created new government agencies,
- has violated the Bill of Rights and Constitution,
- has tried to create a totalitarian dictatorship with the Executive Branch),
- ...

Neo-Cons ARE COMMUNISTIS period.

Read about the Neo-Con founder and click on the photos of the Neo-Con hierarchy for biographies and other details:

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

[Trueblue]

I voted for him both times and if you put the socialist morons he beat up again, I would vote for him again.

I don't like Bush, he is a terrible public speaker, he has allowed government to grow too much and spend too much. His immigration ideas are stupid. But the reason he is wrong on all those issues is where he has the most in common with the democrats.

Wonderful. A totally dishonest and incompetent man who has plunged us into debt and war, and you defend your vote by mistakenly calling his opponents "socialist". That dodge fools no one.

[Saguaro]

I voted for him both times and if you put the socialist morons he beat up again, I would vote for him again.

I don't like Bush, he is a terrible public speaker, he has allowed government to grow too much and spend too much. His immigration ideas are stupid. But the reason he is wrong on all those issues is where he has the most in common with the democrats.

It seems some people can be so easily duped

[Trueblue]

It seems some people can be so easily duped

:LL

[sparks]

Wonderful. A totally dishonest and incompetent man who has plunged us into debt and war, and you defend your vote by mistakenly calling his opponents "socialist". That dodge fools no one.


It's his modus operandi to do so.

[John Gault]

Wonderful. A totally dishonest and incompetent man who has plunged us into debt and war, and you defend your vote by mistakenly calling his opponents "socialist". That dodge fools no one.

What else would you call those who wish to redistribute the wealth of others?

I would also like to know where I am wrong about his faults being quite in line with how dem will run things if given the chance.

[John Gault]

It seems some people can be so easily duped

Not duped lady, I am just not going to vote for people who want to take everything that made this country the world military and economic power it is, and tear it all down.

[John Gault]

It's his modus operandi to do so.

Newsflash for fools...

The dictionary definition of socialism is the owning of the means of production by the government.

In our case we are evolving into what I call defacto socialism that means the state 'controls' through taxation and regulation the means of production. I see nothing inconsistant or mistaken in that analysis.

If you do feel free to explain the error of it?

[jim]

What else would you call those who wish to redistribute the wealth of others?I would also like to know where I am wrong about his faults being quite in line with how dem will run things if given the chance.


This is as shallow as pis on a plank - Are you Republican morons not aware that we are trying to have a country??? What do you want a carnival???Even the concessionaires have to pay certain dues in a carnival...So you want to get ALL the benefits and pay NO dues??? BTW - This country is resembling a carnival more all the time...:voodoo:yep

[nixon]

Newsflash for fools...

The dictionary definition of socialism is the owning of the means of production by the government.

In our case we are evolving into what I call defacto socialism that means the state 'controls' through taxation and regulation the means of production. I see nothing inconsistant or mistaken in that analysis.

If you do feel free to explain the error of it?You defend the GOP (Legislative Branch from '94 to '06Executive from 2000 to?) yet you state that we are evolving into what you call a "defacto socialism". Did this defacto-socialism happen since the Democrats took control of Congress or is it the doing of the party you'll walk across the fire for?

[Trueblue]

It's a definition of socialism that is so broad that you can accuse anybody of it-you don't want to pay taxes for anything but the most obvious forms of defense.

You miss that no successful country can be run with an interest only in national defense, and you miss that our infrastructure, education system, and so many other systems of government are for our defense.

By your definition, all taxation is socialism. I'm sorry, but your ideas are naive and unworkable for a society. They wouldn't even work in a feudal society or a military dictatorship.

You helped put the terrible failure in the WH, take some responsibility other than claiming that a couple of American politicians were "socialists".

[toxic]

You guys are following John Gault out into the weeds.

Reinstate the Draft - Yes.

[John Gault]

This is as shallow as pis on a plank - Are you Republican morons not aware that we are trying to have a country??? What do you want a carnival???Even the concessionaires have to pay certain dues in a carnival...So you want to get ALL the benefits and pay NO dues??? BTW - This country is resembling a carnival more all the time...:voodoo:yep

We already pay all the dues, we just want a fair share of our own earnings.

Do you ever speak in anything but tired old platitudes that mean little to nothing to those not on anti-alzhiemers medications?

[John Gault]

You defend the GOP (Legislative Branch from '94 to '06Executive from 2000 to?) yet you state that we are evolving into what you call a "defacto socialism". Did this defacto-socialism happen since the Democrats took control of Congress or is it the doing of the party you'll walk across the fire for?

The basis for it happened under FDR when he hung on long enough to appoint 7 of 9 SC justices. They proceded to destroy the constitution as written and make constitutional programs that just a few years earlier were struck down as unconstitutional. That set the bad precidents that allow much of todays government spending.

Then it was taken to the next level by LBJ who started all these BS programs to buy the votes of the poor.

The republicans have controlled both houses of the congress for only 12 of the last 70 years. So don't throw the blame on the 12 years the republicans held sway there.

I want you to tell me exactly how you think the democrats are going to move 'away' from what I call defacto socialism when they are the ones who have enabled it from the beginning.

[John Gault]

It's a definition of socialism that is so broad that you can accuse anybody of it-you don't want to pay taxes for anything but the most obvious forms of defense.

You miss that no successful country can be run with an interest only in national defense, and you miss that our infrastructure, education system, and so many other systems of government are for our defense.

By your definition, all taxation is socialism. I'm sorry, but your ideas are naive and unworkable for a society. They wouldn't even work in a feudal society or a military dictatorship.

You helped put the terrible failure in the WH, take some responsibility other than claiming that a couple of American politicians were "socialists".

I won't vote for demcorats, never, I may vote for a libertarian or a may skip an election but I will never vote for those who are opposed to everything I believe in.

I also don't see where you think I am against all forms of taxation. I have said I am for the FairTax that will replace exactly the revenue collected today.

What I am for is a more even distribution of taxation. I see no reason why anyone who earns a living in this country should pay ZERO income tax.

I am also funny about wanting to follow the constitution which you on the left use as toilet paper when it comes to fiscal issues.

You want to accuse me of something I have never said I want and base your argument against me on it.

For instance, I am for public education, I am against a federal role in it on constitutional grounds.

[John Gault]

You guys are following John Gault out into the weeds.

Reinstate the Draft - Yes.

I would be fine with reinstating the draft if they decided that was the way to go.

I can tell you it will make no difference in who dies in the wars. The well heeled and intelligent (not always but usually one and the same) will still not have to do the dying. They will get deferments for education, they will be the officers or in combat support. The same people on the front lines today will be there tomorrow.

[nixon]

The basis for it happened under FDR when he hung on long enough to appoint 7 of 9 SC justices. They proceded to destroy the constitution as written and make constitutional programs that just a few years earlier were struck down as unconstitutional. That set the bad precidents that allow much of todays government spending.

Then it was taken to the next level by LBJ who started all these BS programs to buy the votes of the poor.

The republicans have controlled both houses of the congress for only 12 of the last 70 years. So don't throw the blame on the 12 years the republicans held sway there.

I want you to tell me exactly how you think the democrats are going to move 'away' from what I call defacto socialism when they are the ones who have enabled it from the beginning.Have I ever said the Dems would move "away" from what you call defacto socialism? I don't ever remember saying that, if I did, please refresh my memory. If your looking to debate the issue with me, it won't happen. I agree that the country is becoming more socialist. Go to Washington, run for office and I'll vote for you to change it.

[jim]

We already pay all the dues, we just want a fair share of our own earnings.

Do you ever speak in anything but tired old platitudes that mean little to nothing to those not on anti-alzhiemers medications?

They don't mean anything to you: You don't have enough in the upper level for that:sumo:rooster:mickey

[jim]

I would be fine with reinstating the draft if they decided that was the way to go.

I can tell you it will make no difference in who dies in the wars. The well heeled and intelligent (not always but usually one and the same) will still not have to do the dying. They will get deferments for education, they will be the officers or in combat support. The same people on the front lines today will be there tomorrow.

I have seen the "well heeled and Aggressive" (mind you not intelligent) pay doctors to state that they had disabilities...:ringo:tiptoe:ohyeah More than once...The well heeled and "intelligent" start wars - not fight them - Most of them are too cowardly to fight...:nerd:hotdog

[John Gault]

Have I ever said the Dems would move "away" from what you call defacto socialism? I don't ever remember saying that, if I did, please refresh my memory. If your looking to debate the issue with me, it won't happen. I agree that the country is becoming more socialist. Go to Washington, run for office and I'll vote for you to change it.

If carefully researched I have more bones in my closet than Arlington. Of course I may have been innoculated somewhat byt he antics of Clinton and all of my non marital bad stuff was pre-1980 and even the marital bad stuff was pre-93.

When I retire in about 3 to 5 years I am already considering it. I now livein Lincoln Davis' district a self proclaimed 'conservative democrat' who votes with Nancy Pelosi most of the time.

Unlike most that run i would be unafraid to call him out on his very non-conservative votes in the house.

[John Gault]

I have seen the "well heeled and Aggressive" (mind you not intelligent) pay doctors to state that they had disabilities...:ringo:tiptoe:ohyeah More than once...The well heeled and "intelligent" start wars - not fight them - Most of them are too cowardly to fight...:nerd:hotdog

I would call you A moron but I don't want to be insulting...






































to morons.

[Trueblue]

:rofl Wow, new heights of wit. :lmao

[jim]

I would call you A moron but I don't want to be insulting...






































to morons.


Punks:akbar :Do think that of me. Real people don't.:thumbsup

[Ringo]

Yes, citizen soldiers is a time honored tradition for citizens with honor. Hiring mercenaries or recruiting from prisons is for dictators.

If the people believe in a war, then they God-Damn ought to be willing to see their sons die in it. Otherwise, it isn't a war worth fighting.

What kids will learn by going to war is, their parents are fking idiots and were too cowardly to serve and learn the lessons of war in their own youth.

That is an education any voter should be required to have.

There was a group during WW2 called the Filthy 13, led by Jack McNeese of Oklahoma, and the Dirty Doxen was based somewhat on his group! He had several in his Unit that had Criminal Records, so should we say FDR was a Dictator?

Actually his Tax Policy and Internment of Japanese-Americans, along with his strict rationing powers, made him a Dictator anyway!! Care to dispute that Toxic?

Now are you saying that all people who didn't serve in the Military are Cowards, or just those that went out of their way to avoid, like the Liberal Sheep to Canada bunch?? What is it they hide behind today? Oh thats right YOU ARE MUCH MORE PATRIOTIC TO NOT SERVE IN BUSH'S ARMY!! Yea thats the ticket!

Hell I only did 4, with 1/2 Tour in a Combat Zone, how does my Balls stack up against a 20 yr Man, like Seat Polisher Murtha, or Typewriter Gore!!

American blessing, Gore wasn't the Climatoligist on D Day, as he might have told Ike to beware of Floating Polar Bears on blocks of Ice!!!!!:mw:mw:brr:tb:minnie:mw

[toxic]

There was a group during WW2 called the Filthy 13, led by Jack McNeese of Oklahoma, and the Dirty Doxen was based somewhat on his group! He had several in his Unit that had Criminal Records, so should we say FDR was a Dictator?

Actually his Tax Policy and Internment of Japanese-Americans, along with his strict rationing powers, made him a Dictator anyway!! Care to dispute that Toxic?

Now are you saying that all people who didn't serve in the Military are Cowards, or just those that went out of their way to avoid, like the Liberal Sheep to Canada bunch?? What is it they hide behind today? Oh thats right YOU ARE MUCH MORE PATRIOTIC TO NOT SERVE IN BUSH'S ARMY!! Yea thats the ticket!

Hell I only did 4, with 1/2 Tour in a Combat Zone, how does my Balls stack up against a 20 yr Man, like Seat Polisher Murtha, or Typewriter Gore!!

American blessing, Gore wasn't the Climatoligist on D Day, as he might have told Ike to beware of Floating Polar Bears on blocks of Ice!!!!!:mw:mw:brr:tb:minnie:mw

Ringo, you travel all over the map in your posts.

First, on a light note, my oldest brother was a extra in Dirty Dozen and a couple Clint Eastwood movies. His career never took off.

Second, one platoon I had was a "transient" platoon. They were mostly awaiting training at the school where I taught or awaiting "Discharge for the Benefit of the Service". The later group were the worst scum buckets in 101st ABN. They were no fantasy Dirty Dozen. I controlled them with threat of physical beating or UCMJ action and pretrial confinement. My 1st Sgt regularly begged me to beat the shit out of them. Since the prison guards had beat their ass every morning when they were in the brig, the pretrial confinement threat usually worked. These people were not disiplined enough to benefit any military activity.

Third, I think anyone who SUPPORTS A WAR, should be willing to fight in it. I have no greater disrespect for anyone than Chickenhawks.

[Ringo]

Ringo, you travel all over the map in your posts.

First, on a light note, my oldest brother was a extra in Dirty Dozen and a couple Clint Eastwood movies. His career never took off.

Second, one platoon I had was a "transient" platoon. They were mostly awaiting training at the school where I taught or awaiting "Discharge for the Benefit of the Service". The later group were the worst scum buckets in 101st ABN. They were no fantasy Dirty Dozen. I controlled them with threat of physical beating or UCMJ action and pretrial confinement. My 1st Sgt regularly begged me to beat the shit out of them. Since the prison guards had beat their ass every morning when they were in the brig, the pretrial confinement threat usually worked. These people were not disciplined enough to benefit any military activity.

Third, I think anyone who SUPPORTS A WAR, should be willing to fight in it. I have no greater disrespect for anyone than Chickenhawks.

Yeah well POTUS's are to old to serve and really not many in Congress if any have Combat experience, so your theory, would allow no War, even if we threatened by invasion!! I pick up by your conversations that your pretty bitter towards the Military these days, so they must have fucked you over a little??

If you can handle several pissed off Airborne scum buckets, who just might kill you if the chance came up, you must be tough?

I was at Ft Irwin doing some desert maneuvers back in the early 90's before going to Kuwait! I was allowed a 3 day pass and I went to San Diego to hang out at the Beach for a day or so! I went to this bar called Mad Dogs or something like that and this guy was drunk and mouthing anyone who came in, adn told them he would show them the Seal way of handling problems!! well I just sat down and observed, as I figured his Unit might be deploying and he was blowing off steam and bravado!! Well he started in on me and I told him to forget it and have a beer, at which point he named my mother in a most disrespectful way! well I took his legs out from under him and pinned him, when 4 big assed bouncers told us to take it outside!! We did and we battled for a good 15 minutes, adn he had some moves, I haven't seen since, so I would say I lived after a Seal fight!!

Actually Toxic would you want a Clinton-Bush type beside you in a crucial situation? I wouldn't as I need someone who will dispatch with extreme prejudice ASAP, and save the diplomacy for another day!!

[toxic]

Yeah well POTUS's are to old to serve and really not many in Congress if any have Combat experience, so your theory, would allow no War, even if we threatened by invasion!! I pick up by your conversations that your pretty bitter towards the Military these days, so they must have fucked you over a little??

If you can handle several pissed off Airborne scum buckets, who just might kill you if the chance came up, you must be tough?

I was at Ft Irwin doing some desert maneuvers back in the early 90's before going to Kuwait! I was allowed a 3 day pass and I went to San Diego to hang out at the Beach for a day or so! I went to this bar called Mad Dogs or something like that and this guy was drunk and mouthing anyone who came in, adn told them he would show them the Seal way of handling problems!! well I just sat down and observed, as I figured his Unit might be deploying and he was blowing off steam and bravado!! Well he started in on me and I told him to forget it and have a beer, at which point he named my mother in a most disrespectful way! well I took his legs out from under him and pinned him, when 4 big assed bouncers told us to take it outside!! We did and we battled for a good 15 minutes, adn he had some moves, I haven't seen since, so I would say I lived after a Seal fight!!

Actually Toxic would you want a Clinton-Bush type beside you in a crucial situation? I wouldn't as I need someone who will dispatch with extreme prejudice ASAP, and save the diplomacy for another day!!

All POTUS had a chance to serve in their youth. That is when they should do it. Then, as they age they have that foundation (just like college) of experience, with which to view all they see that happens in the world.

I learned tanks ar Ft Irwin. As I recall, the NCO Club is called the Lizard Lounge.

Lets say I'd prefer Clark-Hagle to Clinton-Bush types. It's all about experience, knowing where they are going and avoiding foolish mistakes.

[John Gault]

Punks:akbar :Do think that of me. Real people don't.:thumbsup

Yada yada yada..

I know you are but what am I!!!!

Wow what a comeback.