Democrats add Planned Parenthood funding to Iraq bill

[bossfan]

Democrats add Planned Parenthood funding to Iraq bill

http://vox-nova.com/2008/05/23/democ...-to-iraq-bill/

A despicable, ideological move by Senate Democrats…because it makes sense, right?

From OneNewsNow:

Senate Democrats have attached a provision to the Iraq supplemental bill that would allow university healthcare centers and some Planned Parenthood facilities to receive a discount on abortion drugs such as RU-486. Presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) introduced a similar stand-alone bill (S. 2347) in November “to restore and protect access to discount drug prices for university-based and safety-net clinics.”

From CitizenLink:

Thanks to a Democrat maneuver, Planned Parenthood will receive a discount from drug manufacturers in a bill designed to fund our troops.

On Wednesday, the U.S. Senate voted on an amendment to the War Supplemental Appropriations Bill. Democrats, led by Sen. Barack Obama, had inserted language to help Planned Parenthood into the domestic-spending portion of this troop-funding bill. The Senate passed the amendment 75-22.

The provision allows for groups like Planned Parenthood and university health centers to receive discounted prices from drug manufacturers for drugs like the morning-after pill, which may cause an early abortion.

“Planned Parenthood should not be receiving any federal assistance, and certainly not in a bill that’s designed to help our troops,” said Ashley Horne, federal policy analyst for Focus on the Family Action.

Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider, received $330 million in taxpayer money last year.

How they voted:

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs —75

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs —22

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Voinovich (R-OH)

Not Voting - 3

Coburn (R-OK)
Kennedy (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)

So, how does this work anyway? Why are we funding Planned Parenthood with a war bill? Shouldn't every single penny of funding for this war go to our men and women serving and sacrificing their lives in the effort?

How many of them come home injured both physically as well as emotionally? Are they getting the treatment they deserve for their service and sacrifice?

....and to have money go to Planned Parenthood while money is needed to attend to such things?

Someone explain this to me...please.

[Trueblue]

Sounds like we need both, and the President is so stupidly stubborn the only way to fund some things is to attach it to another bill. Plenty of Rs voted for it, or it would never have passed anyway.

Welcome to reality, where all is not black and white.

[bossfan]

Sounds like we need both, and the President is so stupidly stubborn the only way to fund some things is to attach it to another bill. Plenty of Rs voted for it, or it would never have passed anyway.

Welcome to reality, where all is not black and white.

Oh, I'm living in the real world, Trueblue.

Funding for any war should go exclusively to just that...the war. Every penny should be spent either funding what we are doing in the war or treating those who served in it who have physical or emotional needs derived from the experience of war.

This is an outrage!

I do agree with you about it not passing if a number of Republicans hadn't voted in favor of it...making it all the more outrageous to me.

Oh, by the way, I'm not looking for everything to be black and white. What I expect, however, is that this country is going to be committed to taking care of those who serve and sacrifice on its behalf. That takes funding, and such funding should not include other such things added to it that have nothing to do with it.

[Trueblue]

Oh, I'm living in the real world, Trueblue.

Funding for any war should go exclusively to just that...the war. Every penny should be spent either funding what we are doing in the war or treating those who served in it who have physical or emotional needs derived from the experience of war.

This is an outrage!

I do agree with you about it not passing if a number of Republicans hadn't voted in favor of it...making it all the more outrageous to me.

Oh, by the way, I'm not looking for everything to be black and white. What I expect, however, is that this country is going to be committed to taking care of those who serve and sacrifice on its behalf. That takes funding, and such funding should not include other such things added to it that have nothing to do with it.

I think that wanting everything to be black and white is exactly what you want. Look at your last sentence.

There are many outrages in this nation and in this world, this is more of a minor flaw in the system, IMO.

An outrage is when veterans cannot get diagnosed with PTSD, and then cannot get benefits and treatment for PTSD, because it messes up the statistics.

[patriotsblade]

Just as many Republicans voted for this bill as voted against it. McCain is running for POTUS and didn't even bother to show up for the vote, and you are complaining about the Democrats?

[bossfan]

Just as many Republicans voted for this bill as voted against it. McCain is running for POTUS and didn't even bother to show up for the vote, and you are complaining about the Democrats?

Wring you are, patriotsblade. I'm not complaining about the Democrats but rather the entire field of those who voted this in!

I'm sharing the story as it was written. Please keep that in mind.

Of my own words, where do you see me complaining about Democrats and not Republicans as well? Show me that so that I can better understand how it is that you can accuse me of such a thing.

[Trueblue]

A despicable, ideological move by Senate Democrats…because it makes sense, right?

This statement was in the original article?

[Saguaro]

Here ya go bossfan:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon cannot account for nearly 15 billion dollars in payments for goods and services in Iraq, according to an internal audit which members of Congress blasted Friday as a "shocking" accountability failure.

Of 8.2 billion dollars in US taxpayer-funded defense contracts reviewed by the defense department's inspector general, the Pentagon could not properly account for more than 7.7 billion dollars.

The lack of accountability of the funds, intended for purchases of weapons, vehicles, construction equipment and security services, amounted to a 95 percent failure rate in basic accounting standards, according to the report.

"We estimated that the army made 1.4 billion dollars in commercial payments that lacked the minimum documentation for a valid payment, such as properly prepared receiving reports, invoices, and certified vouchers," deputy inspector general Mary Ugone told a Congressional committee Thursday.

"We also estimated that the army made an additional 6.3 billion dollars of commercial payments that met the 27 criteria for payments but did not comply with other statutory and regulatory requirements."

The Pentagon also was found to have given away another 1.8 billion in Iraqi assets "with absolutely no accountability," said Congressman Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Investigators examined 53 payment vouchers and couldn't find even one that adequately explained where the money went."

Another five billion dollars spent on supporting the Iraqi security forces could not be properly traced, according to a November 2007 inspector general report.

"Taken together, the inspector general found that the defense department did not properly account for almost 15 billion dollars," Waxman said.

The disclosures sparked outrage among legislators and concern that US taxpayers are deeply vulnerable to massive waste and fraud in the Pentagon's contracting system.

"The report has new shocking details of billions of dollars of American taxpayer money unaccounted for and likely wasted, which should be a wake-up call to Congress and the (President George W.) Bush administration that the status quo is unacceptable," Democratic senator and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said in a statement.

"American taxpayers are picking up the tab for Iraqi ministries, coalition governments, US and foreign contractors, Iraqi security forces, and Blackwater and other US security companies," Waxman said.

"In one remarkable instance, a 320-million-dollar payment in cash was handed over with little more than a signature in exchange."

The Pentagon to date has been appropriated 492 billion dolllars to support Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to Ugone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523...hu6UByJ2es0NUE
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[Trueblue]

Okay, your link led nowhere, so I searched the site and found this:

http://vox-nova.com/?s=democrats+iraq+bill

The sentence about Dems is not in the article, it's a comment from a poster.

[bossfan]

Wring you are, patriotsblade.

edit: Wrong you are, patriotsblade.

(Does this forum have an edit option?)

[bossfan]

This statement was in the original article?

Yes...I didn't write it. It was in the subtitle of the article.

[Trueblue]

Wring-a-ding-ding!

Yes, but there is only a three minute edit window, because Tart enjoys our typos.

[Trueblue]

I don't believe it's a subtitle, it's somebody's comment.

[bossfan]

Here ya go bossfan:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon cannot account for nearly 15 billion dollars in payments for goods and services in Iraq, according to an internal audit which members of Congress blasted Friday as a "shocking" accountability failure.

Of 8.2 billion dollars in US taxpayer-funded defense contracts reviewed by the defense department's inspector general, the Pentagon could not properly account for more than 7.7 billion dollars.

The lack of accountability of the funds, intended for purchases of weapons, vehicles, construction equipment and security services, amounted to a 95 percent failure rate in basic accounting standards, according to the report.

"We estimated that the army made 1.4 billion dollars in commercial payments that lacked the minimum documentation for a valid payment, such as properly prepared receiving reports, invoices, and certified vouchers," deputy inspector general Mary Ugone told a Congressional committee Thursday.

"We also estimated that the army made an additional 6.3 billion dollars of commercial payments that met the 27 criteria for payments but did not comply with other statutory and regulatory requirements."

The Pentagon also was found to have given away another 1.8 billion in Iraqi assets "with absolutely no accountability," said Congressman Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Investigators examined 53 payment vouchers and couldn't find even one that adequately explained where the money went."

Another five billion dollars spent on supporting the Iraqi security forces could not be properly traced, according to a November 2007 inspector general report.

"Taken together, the inspector general found that the defense department did not properly account for almost 15 billion dollars," Waxman said.

The disclosures sparked outrage among legislators and concern that US taxpayers are deeply vulnerable to massive waste and fraud in the Pentagon's contracting system.

"The report has new shocking details of billions of dollars of American taxpayer money unaccounted for and likely wasted, which should be a wake-up call to Congress and the (President George W.) Bush administration that the status quo is unacceptable," Democratic senator and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said in a statement.

"American taxpayers are picking up the tab for Iraqi ministries, coalition governments, US and foreign contractors, Iraqi security forces, and Blackwater and other US security companies," Waxman said.

"In one remarkable instance, a 320-million-dollar payment in cash was handed over with little more than a signature in exchange."

The Pentagon to date has been appropriated 492 billion dolllars to support Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to Ugone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523...hu6UByJ2es0NUE
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Thanks, and that is an outrage as well. But what does Planned Parenthood have to do with it?

[bossfan]

I don't believe it's a subtitle, it's somebody's comment.

I agree, the comment must have been made by a blogger.

[bossfan]

Wring-a-ding-ding!

Yes, but there is only a three minute edit window, because Tart enjoys our typos.

LOL...okey dokey then!

[Saguaro]

My opinion on the whole thing is that Bush ,in his religious fervor ,would be against using any drugs for abortion and even more less likely to sign any bill for it.

[bossfan]

My opinion on the whole thing is that Bush ,in his religious fervor ,would be against using any drugs for abortion and even more less likely to sign any bill for it.

But attaching it to a war bill? Come on!

[Partyless]

Pardon me for giggling here but both my die hard anti-abortion senators voted yes. I've long suspected those bozos couldn't read - now I know.

[patriotsblade]

Wring you are, patriotsblade. I'm not complaining about the Democrats but rather the entire field of those who voted this in!

I'm sharing the story as it was written. Please keep that in mind.

Of my own words, where do you see me complaining about Democrats and not Republicans as well? Show me that so that I can better understand how it is that you can accuse me of such a thing.

How would I know whether that is your commentary or the commentary of the author? Your link doesn't work. :shrug

[bossfan]

How would I know whether that is your commentary or the commentary of the author? Your link doesn't work. :shrug

OH! Sorry ~ I'm not sure why it doesn't work.

[Lone Laugher]

Nothing new here, BossFan. The suits always attach unrelated shit to bills....it is how they curry favor in their home districts.

Planned parenthood is no different than anything else in this regard.

Do you have an issue with planned parenthood....or just with unrelated stuff being attached to bills?

[Trueblue]

I found it, try my link.

[Trueblue]

Okay, your link led nowhere, so I searched the site and found this:

http://vox-nova.com/?s=democrats+iraq+bill

The sentence about Dems is not in the article, it's a comment from a poster.

This is the article, PB.

[bossfan]

Nothing new here, BossFan. The suits always attach unrelated shit to bills....it is how they curry favor in their home districts.

Planned parenthood is no different than anything else in this regard.

Do you have an issue with planned parenthood....or just with unrelated stuff being attached to bills?

I'm taking issue with unrelated stuff being attached to this particular bill, because I believe every penny should be spent either in an effort to provide our men and women serving in this war effort with whatever they need to win, or to give them the medical attention they need both physically and emotionally when they return home....for however long it takes!

The sacrifice our soldiers are making is deserving of better than this...

[Trueblue]

As long as the soldiers are funded adequately, I don't have a problem with funding other needs at the same time.

Add ons are a tactic used by both sides.

[SavageJug]

Nothing new here, BossFan. The suits always attach unrelated shit to bills....it is how they curry favor in their home districts.

Planned parenthood is no different than anything else in this regard.

Do you have an issue with planned parenthood....or just with unrelated stuff being attached to bills?
EXACTLY!

Both sides play that game.

Here's a good example. Harrah's Casino greased pockets throughout Washington. They wanted a ban on online poker in the USA. Bill Frist was a recipient of some of these donations (bribes).

The Port Security Act was passed in 2006. Tucked neatly in the bill was a provision. It made it illegal for US financial institutions to conduct business with online gaming sites, or their agents. It effectively banned US players from publicly traded gaming sites. The provision had absolutely NOTHING to with port security.

Harrah's bribes bought and paid for the provision.

[bossfan]

Trueblue:
Add ons are a tactic used by both sides.

SavageJug:
Both sides play that game.

My outrage is over add-ons to a bill that should be funding this war to (1) help our men and women fighting in it to win, and (2) to give them the medical attention they need upon returning home.

I could care less about whether both sides do it or not. We are at war, and funding for this war should be for just that....the war and that related to it.

Right now Congress has something like a 13% or 17% approval rating, doesn't it? Shame on them for stuff like this....BOTH Republicans and Democrats!

[Lone Laugher]

We are at occupation....not war.

In my opinion, the main reason that congress has such a low approval rating is the failure to end the occupation....not the failure to fund it.

[SavageJug]

We are at occupation....not war.

In my opinion, the main reason that congress has such a low approval rating is the failure to end the occupation....not the failure to fund it.
WTF? I've agreed with LL twice in one thread? Armageddon must be nigh upon us.

The "war" ended very quickly, and the Iraqi military was soundly defeated. We even hung the guy who was in charge.

We are now an occupation force fighting a guerilla insurgency.

[BartonX]

Every one of those Senators that said yea need to be taken out and shot and those engaged in Planned Parenthood burned at the stake. Then we can take a break for some crumpets and tea. :)

[Saguaro]

Are you saying that no one should have any rights in when they want children ?

[bossfan]

We are at occupation....not war.

In my opinion, the main reason that congress has such a low approval rating is the failure to end the occupation....not the failure to fund it.

You can call it whatever you wish, Lone Laughter, but soldiers still fight, die, and/or come home injured (physicically and emotionally) from the experience.

The money to fund such an "occupation" should go specifically to just that, and not some add-ons.

Congress has such a low approval rating for its failure to accomplish anything. Other than a little grandstanding once in a while (MLB baseball hearings, Oil Execs hearings --what a joke) Congress does nothing. THAT is why they have a low approval rating. No muscle, no guts, no effectiveness.

[Lone Laugher]

Gee. You sound like an expert. Maybe we should all stop posting and let you just tell us all how everything really works.

[bossfan]

Gee. You sound like an expert. Maybe we should all stop posting and let you just tell us all how everything really works.

Gee. I thought this was a discussion forum. I guess I was wrong.

Is that what you are suggesting?

[bossfan]

We have enlisted men and women in Iraq and Afhganistan fighting with and being attacked with military weapons and some of you are more concerned about whether or not this is a war or an occupation.

We have enlisted men and women serving and sacrificing their lives for this country and many of them coming home in need of medical treatment and emotional care, and some of you are very accepting that including add-ons to a bill is normal in Washington.

All this and I'm wondering just how much hatred for Bush will reveal itself when NBC, ABC, CBS or one of the cable news networks runs a story on the lack of such care reaches these men and women who need it.

I'm wondering how many more stories will come out like the one that did about Walter Reed Hospital.

No, I'm not an expert on anything, make that perfectly clear.

But I do care about our soldiers, and I believe they are deserving of much better than what we are giving them if this is the kind of thing that goes on in Washington D.C.

You can think of me what you will.

[Trueblue]

I'm concerned about both the health of the soldiers AND the war as an occupation.

[bossfan]

I'm concerned about both the health of the soldiers AND the war as an occupation.

When do you plan on getting to the part about showing your concern for the health of the soldiers? Are you waiting until one of the news networks runs a story on it so that you can then rail against the President and the Party for which you oppose?

It's okay to be concerned about it NOW, and it's equally okay to express concern about it NOW.

It's also okay to not always have to divide everything up between Democrats and Replublicans. It's okay to be outraged at BOTH.

[Trueblue]

When do you plan on getting to the part about showing your concern for the health of the soldiers? Are you waiting until one of the news networks runs a story on it so that you can then rail against the President and the Party for which you oppose?

It's okay to be concerned about it NOW, and it's equally okay to express concern about it NOW.

It's also okay to not always have to divide everything up between Democrats and Replublicans. It's okay to be outraged at BOTH.

I already did, over and over. And then you complained about how I said it, over and over. :roll

[bossfan]

As long as the soldiers are funded adequately, I don't have a problem with funding other needs at the same time.

Add ons are a tactic used by both sides.

Add ons in this instance should be to ensure that hospitals such as Walter Reed are fully capable of meeting the needs of our returning soldiers with the best possible care.

Funding other needs is an outrage when you consider that men and women are serving and sacrificing their lives on behalf of this country. The least we can do is stay focused on their needs with pin-prick precision.

Planned Parenthood can find another way to fund what they do....but this is not the way.

[bossfan]

I already did, over and over. And then you complained about how I said it, over and over. :roll

I've read through your posts and all I see is an acceptance of Washington to continue the same tactics. Sure I read where you have an outrage over soldiers not getting the care they need, but that outrage is muted by your acceptance of add ons fot things unrelated, don't you think?

[Trueblue]

I've read through your posts and all I see is an acceptance of Washington to continue the same tactics. Sure I read where you have an outrage over soldiers not getting the care they need, but that outrage is muted by your acceptance of add ons fot things unrelated, don't you think?

I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not in regard to the vets' care, in regard to your belief that you are the most concerned person in the room.

[bossfan]

I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not in regard to the vets' care, in regard to your belief that you are the most concerned person in the room.

Thank you for sharing what you think!

Now, I did not ask you a question about what you thought of me. I asked you a question regarding your acceptance of Washington including add-ons to a bill that is funding the war.

I accept your not answering the question.

[Trueblue]

Thank you for sharing what you think!

Now, I did not ask you a question about what you thought of me. I asked you a question regarding your acceptance of Washington including add-ons to a bill that is funding the war.

I accept your not answering the question.

Silly man. You expressed what you thought of my words, and I returned the favor.

[bossfan]

Silly man. You expressed what you thought of my words, and I returned the favor.

Except that you failed to answer my question....

But that's okay.

[bossfan]

If you think that it's making a mountain out of a molehill then I accept your answer, and can fully understand why you would not be outraged that money that should be going to one thing is in fact going to something else entirely unrelated.

[Lone Laugher]

Isn't it obvious....some care more about the health and welfare of American servicemen and women than others. If you don't write a letter to your congressperson today decrying the commonly accepted practice of legislative add-ons..the YOU are clearly not concerned at all!

On the other hand...if you constantly lobby your congressperson to end the occupation AND work to improve the services for returning military personnel, it means nothing.

You bossfan...hold no monopoly on true, heartfelt caring for America's military vets. Get over yourself, please.

[Trueblue]

Except that you failed to answer my question....

But that's okay.

It was pretty much a bullshit question. Kind of like asking me if I realized I wasn't as good a person as you. In fact, exactly like that.

If you think that it's making a mountain out of a molehill then I accept your answer, and can fully understand why you would not be outraged that money that should be going to one thing is in fact going to something else entirely unrelated.

You need to reread the response, because you've misunderstood.

[Trueblue]

Isn't it obvious....some care more about the health and welfare of American servicemen and women than others. If you don't write a letter to your congressperson today decrying the commonly accepted practice of legislative add-ons..the YOU are clearly not concerned at all!

On the other hand...if you constantly lobby your congressperson to end the occupation AND work to improve the services for returning military personnel, it means nothing.

You bossfan...hold no monopoly on true, heartfelt caring for America's military vets. Get over yourself, please.

We can only hope.

[bossfan]

Isn't it obvious....some care more about the health and welfare of American servicemen and women than others. If you don't write a letter to your congressperson today decrying the commonly accepted practice of legislative add-ons..the YOU are clearly not concerned at all!

On the other hand...if you constantly lobby your congressperson to end the occupation AND work to improve the services for returning military personnel, it means nothing.

You bossfan...hold no monopoly on true, heartfelt caring for America's military vets. Get over yourself, please.

I'm not making any claims to any such thing there, Lone Laugher. It is Trueblue and you who are making such accusations.

I'm simply discussing an issue.

Sensitive crowd here I see.

[bossfan]

Okay, I'll concede this issue....

And I'll do my best to get over myself.

Thanks for the advice.

[Trueblue]

I'm not making any claims to any such thing there, Lone Laugher. It is Trueblue and you who are making such accusations.

I'm simply discussing an issue.

Sensitive crowd here I see.

Not sensitive, we can just read what's on the page before us-don't be so...sensitive. :D

[toxic]

...
Funding other needs is an outrage when you consider that men and women are serving and sacrificing their lives on behalf of this country. The least we can do is stay focused on their needs with pin-prick precision.

Planned Parenthood can find another way to fund what they do....but this is not the way.


This is EXACTLY the way the Neo-Cons have been including Faith-Based Inititive crap into every government agency.

I'm glad the Democrats caught on and hope they use Rove strategies to give all Republicans a good Fisting.

Planned Parenthood is the most needed activity in the world. We may not survive long enough for ignorant Anti-Science Republicans to finally understand the need. How long did it take Republicans to accept Global Warming? 20 years?


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http://www.elephantcare.org/IMAGES/CONSERVE/popchart.jpg

[BartonX]

This is EXACTLY the way the Neo-Cons have been including Faith-Based Inititive crap into every government agency.

I'm glad the Democrats caught on and hope they use Rove strategies to give all Republicans a good Fisting.

Planned Parenthood is the most needed activity in the world. We may not survive long enough for ignorant Anti-Science Republicans to finally understand the need. How long did it take Republicans to accept Global Warming? 20 years?


http://www.africancrisis.org/images/USA_Population_Growth_1790_to_2090_1.gif

http://www.elephantcare.org/IMAGES/CONSERVE/popchart.jpg

You don't even know what a neo-con is you little bell ringer. All you do is banter around superfluous terms hoping no one will notice that you are clueless.And planned parenthood is another name for Naziism.

[bossfan]

This is EXACTLY the way the Neo-Cons have been including Faith-Based Inititive crap into every government agency.

I'm glad the Democrats caught on and hope they use Rove strategies to give all Republicans a good Fisting.

Planned Parenthood is the most needed activity in the world. We may not survive long enough for ignorant Anti-Science Republicans to finally understand the need. How long did it take Republicans to accept Global Warming? 20 years?


http://www.africancrisis.org/images/USA_Population_Growth_1790_to_2090_1.gif

http://www.elephantcare.org/IMAGES/CONSERVE/popchart.jpg

Ummm, we still don't accept Global Warming! :D

[toxic]

You don't even know what a neo-con is you little bell ringer. All you do is banter around superfluous terms hoping no one will notice that you are clueless.And planned parenthood is another name for Naziism.

You are making a joke right? Maybe not :)

Let's see if you accept the Christian Science Monitor's description of Neo-Conservatives.

Click on each small photo for a biography of the person and you will get a brief history of how Jewish Communist Totalitarian Trotskyists and Marxists took over the Republican Party. What is their goal? A Totalitarian Government in the USA.

Elitist Irving Kristol is Bill Kristol's (of FoxNews) father ... and the Father of Neoconservatism, father of the Weekly Standard and father of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI).


http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism


Ummm, we still don't accept Global Warming! :D

So you reject George W. Bush and John McCain?

[bossfan]

Toxic:
So you reject George W. Bush and John McCain?

No, not at all.

I happen to disagree with them about this issue.

Does that make sense?

[toxic]

Toxic:
No, not at all.
I happen to disagree with them about this issue.
Does that make sense?


Sure, for Neo-Con Trotskyists like you and Barton :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.svg/60px-Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.svg.png

[bossfan]

Sure, for Neo-Con Trotskyists like you and Barton :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.svg/60px-Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.svg.png

Okey-dokey