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Wabash
05-12-2008, 03:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/12/flds.letter/index.html

FLDS elder decries 'terrorist acts' in letter to Bush

(CNN) -- An elder of a polygamist sect has sent a letter to the White House decrying what he calls "terrorist acts" that have separated the sect's children from their parents.

The Yearning for Zion ranch in Eldorado, Texas, was raided last month by authorities acting on tips alleging physical and sexual abuse. The ranch is owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a Mormon offshoot that practices polygamy.

Child welfare officials took more than 460 children and teens into state custody, where they remain.

Members of the sect deny allegations of abuse and say the raid was based on a hoax.

The letter to President Bush is signed by Willie Jessop, an FLDS elder.

"Mr. President, it does not require a foreign country to commit terrorist acts on American soil," the letter says. "Terrorist acts can be committed by federal, local, and private entities that are operating under the guise of 'protecting the public.' "

The letter says the April 3 raid on the compound was an "intrusive invasion" by "a heavily armed militant force."

"We are talking about homes being broken into without search warrants, unarmed fathers being forced to the ground with M16 rifles pointed at their heads, screaming children being torn from the arms of their grief-stricken mothers -- all upon American soil and within your own home state of Texas," the letter states.

The letter, dated May 10, says YFZ residents "submitted peacefully" when the April raid began. But the raid "quickly escalated into a systematic terrorization of every man, woman, and child, seemingly designed to provoke a confrontation justifying deadly force, as was used in Waco, Texas."

This is a reference a 1993 federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco. Four federal agents and six members died in a shootout during that raid. After a 51-day standoff, sect leader David Koresh and about 80 followers died when fire swept through the compound.

Jessop's letter to the White House calls the state's April raid "a result of a hoax perpetrated by anti-FLDS crusaders, alleging heinous abuse within the community had been committed" against a member named Sarah Jessop Barlow.

Authorities were informed before the raid that no person named Sarah Jessop Barlow resided at the ranch, the letter states. Despite that, it adds, officials carried out "this massive militant act."

Jessop's letter also condemns investigators' actions after the raid.

"The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services interrogated young ladies, using techniques that showed an appalling disregard for human rights as the young ladies were mocked, vulgarly cursed, and threatened.

"Some were repeatedly and unmercifully interrogated the entire night about issues, subjects, and persons of which they had no knowledge."

When mothers were ordered separated from their children, the letter adds, it represented "the ultimate deception."

"That vast Sports Arena burst into cries and wails of heartsick mothers and screams of terrified children as a vast cortege of attendants swarmed the arena, tearing screaming children from their weeping mothers and physically carrying them away," the letter states.

"All that was missing in this 'Colosseum' was the lions."

Texas authorities said they have a responsibility to protect the interests of the sect's children, and allegations of abuse must be investigated.

The sect has been accused of encouraging underage girls to marry much older men.

Authorities have said they separated the children from their mothers so youngsters could freely discuss what goes on at the compound.

Jessop's letter says many of the children have had no attorneys.

"Some of these children, who remain in state custody to this day, still have no legal representation. The legal professionals that were appointed to assist stood in shock and amazement at the gross violation of constitutional rights and due process.

"This is the most unprecedented 'kangaroo court' custody case in United States history, and judicial responsibility has been fumbled in a most outrageous way."

No criminal charges have been filed in the case. The next court hearing regarding custody of the sect children is scheduled for later this month.

issac the dragon
05-12-2008, 04:18 PM
Nothing that the Mormons were charged with doing, coercing young women to marry, justifies what the state of Texas is doing to those children.

Trueblue
05-12-2008, 04:22 PM
I disagree. Nothing justifies what the old men in this community did to these children. This systematic abuse is the vestige of a culture that identified children as the property of adults. I don't know if the raid was conducted properly or not-but what I do know is that the person who wrote this letter gets no respect from me.

Trueblue
05-12-2008, 04:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4684344&page=1

"The fact that Willie is here is telling me that they're organizing," private detective Brower said. "They're organizing their stories. He's here to make sure that everything goes the way that the church leaders want it to go, and he's 'The Enforcer.'"

Brent Jeffs, a former sect member, says he was a victim of rape and molestation by his uncle, none other than the "prophet," Warren Jeffs.

"When I was a little boy around 5 or 6, just attending regular Sunday school … behind closed doors Warren was sneaking around behind and would come down and escort me down the hall and into the bathroom and molest me as a kid," Brent Jeffs said. "Threatening me with eternal damnation if I did not do exactly what he said. I thought I was going to be in trouble. I thought I'd burn in hell for saying something. That's why I kept it a secret."

He said other young boys were also abused by Warren Jeffs, which he has denied. Brent left the church years ago and now he has come to Texas to testify against the sect.

The women within the sect who spoke to the media have said time and again that the children are not in danger, but Brent believes "that's because they've convinced themselves that this is right. The men in here that have brainwashed these women and children have convinced them ever since they were babies that this is right." He said
that the women and children are trapped, and lonely. "You can see it in their eyes," he said. "They just -- they're not even there. They're drones."

Brent Jeffs, who came all the way from Salt Lake City to testify, said he wasn't afraid to testify. "I know it's right," he said. "It needs to be done. Someone needs to stand up and say, 'This is wrong.' I'm going to do anything I can to help these poor kids and these moms. If they let me."

issac the dragon
05-12-2008, 04:54 PM
TB, that is a charge made against one man. It does not justify taking over 400 children away from their parents. Little children who have no clue about what is happening. They just know that a group of adults snatched them away. How must that make those little children feel?

There was a group in Wallowa, Wash. who were accused of molesting children, including during religious services. That turned out to be the biggest piece of crap ever perpetrated against anyone in this state. And as a result, one little boy, who was only four years old, is going to remember for the rest of his life that he was forced to perform oral sex with a 60 some year old woman, at the main intersection of downtown Wallowa, at noon, on a working day. Those were the words he was taught to repeat by his rescurers. The children involved have all recanted their testimony, and said that they were told to make the charges that they did. You can brain wash children.

If Jeffs did as the boy says he did, he should be prosecuted. But the man is in prison. He is not harming children. And no one has offered any proof that anyone did. No charges have been filed.

Trueblue
05-12-2008, 05:14 PM
TB, that is a charge made against one man. It does not justify taking over 400 children away from their parents. Little children who have no clue about what is happening. They just know that a group of adults snatched them away. How must that make those little children feel?

It's not as if this practice was limited to one man. It's the policy of this group.

Little children were being damaged by the systematic abuse of their older brothers and sisters, and possibly by being abused themselves.

Anytime kids are removed from a home, no matter how bad the home is, it is traumatic for the little children, and the big children, too. People don't realize that even abused children are attached to their caretakers.

It's an imperfect solution in an imperfect world.

There was a group in Wallowa, Wash. who were accused of molesting children, including during religious services. That turned out to be the biggest piece of crap ever perpetrated against anyone in this state. And as a result, one little boy, who was only four years old, is going to remember for the rest of his life that he was forced to perform oral sex with a 60 some year old woman, at the main intersection of downtown Wallowa, at noon, on a working day. Those were the words he was taught to repeat by his rescurers. The children involved have all recanted their testimony, and said that they were told to make the charges that they did. You can brain wash children.

Yes, you can, and that situation was a terrible miscarriage of justice. But it doesn't relate to this situation. These children have more likely been brainwashed in the opposite direction.

If Jeffs did as the boy says he did, he should be prosecuted. But the man is in prison. He is not harming children. And no one has offered any proof that anyone did. No charges have been filed.

It often takes time to file any sort of charges, this case will be especially problematic. And there is lots of evidence that girls were married to older men.

Trueblue
05-12-2008, 06:11 PM
CPS is terribly underfunded here in Tennessee, but even in states where it is better funded, CPS has made terrible mistakes. Children have gone missing, and while some of them are teenage runaways, others are children that must have been kidnapped or murdered.

Foster care is often terrible, too. I have seen kids who were abused in their foster homes, and I bet anyone who has worked with children with any time of problem has seen the same thing.

That said, we can't leave these kids in this situation to be further abused. The state of Texas probably has screwed up in fifty different ways since this started, the situation is unusual and it would be difficult to avoid screwing it up. But these people are playing you, Wabash. They know exactly which buttons to push to get you on their side.

Ringo
05-13-2008, 06:20 AM
I disagree. Nothing justifies what the old men in this community did to these children. This systematic abuse is the vestige of a culture that identified children as the property of adults. I don't know if the raid was conducted properly or not-but what I do know is that the person who wrote this letter gets no respect from me.

I'm sure the *person*who wrote the letter, really cares if a if a Liberal Comrade It takes a Village, Social spy like you, respects them or not!!

Had this been a community of Welfare Mixed race mothers and "live in" boyfriends-fathers, that was raided, you and your Pink Chick crowd would be in a fuckin uproar!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw

Trueblue
05-13-2008, 04:41 PM
What Ringo is saying above is a lie and a slander. Should I just ignore these insults, or straighten him out? Is it even possible to straighten Ringo out?

Oceanbreeze
05-13-2008, 06:49 PM
What Ringo is saying above is a lie and a slander. Should I just ignore these insults, or straighten him out? Is it even possible to straighten Ringo out?

Don't bother, he's got enough going on with getting married. :lmao

nixon
05-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Don't bother, he's got enough going on with getting married. :lmaoI want to get drunk and fucked up at the reception. Time to party, Rogers. Nixon.

Trueblue
05-14-2008, 05:08 AM
Don't bother, he's got enough going on with getting married. :lmao

I don't notice any difference. :wink

Ringo
05-14-2008, 06:26 AM
I disagree. Nothing justifies what the old men in this community did to these children. This systematic abuse is the vestige of a culture that identified children as the property of adults. I don't know if the raid was conducted properly or not-but what I do know is that the person who wrote this letter gets no respect from me.

You mean UNLIKE the It Takes a Village crowd and her Serial Rapist Husband and his abuse of women and probably "YOUNG" girls?? Actually TB its people like you Social Engineers, who should be banned, but if it wasn't for Welfare cases you would be unemployed wouldn't you?? Hell therer is probably more than this going on at Hyannis Port, during a Kennedy Rape Athon, then what really happened in TX??

Trueblue
05-14-2008, 06:32 AM
You mean UNLIKE the It Takes a Village crowd and her Serial Rapist Husband and his abuse of women and probably "YOUNG" girls?? Actually TB its people like you Social Engineers, who should be banned, but if it wasn't for Welfare cases you would be unemployed wouldn't you?? Hell therer is probably more than this going on at Hyannis Port, during a Kennedy Rape Athon, then what really happened in TX??

You are wrong from start to finish, about this "ranch", about my job, about my motivations, about your own motivations, and about the Clintons and Kennedys.