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Saguaro
05-04-2008, 05:24 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Sunday dismissed the "elite opinion" of economists who criticized her gas tax proposal, using a term that has dogged rival Barack Obama in recent weeks.

Obama, meanwhile, accused the New York senator of pandering on gas taxes and saber rattling toward Iran as both candidates gave television interviews before primary contests in North Carolina and Indiana. The two are battling to be their party's nominee and face Republican John McCain in November.

Clinton used her appearance on ABC's "This Week" to raise questions about Obama's ability to connect with working-class Americans while dismissing economists who have said her plan to suspend gas taxes over the summer would do little good.

"I'm not going to put my lot in with economists," Clinton said when asked to name an economist who backed her proposal.

"We've got to get out of this mind-set where somehow elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantage the vast majority of Americans," said Clinton, a former first lady who would be the first woman president.

Critics have painted Obama as elitist for a comment he made about job losses causing some small-town Americans to become bitter and to cling to guns and religion.

That perception hurt the Illinois senator in the big blue-collar state of Pennsylvania, where Clinton won a crucial victory last month in the protracted Democratic contest.

The two candidates next square off in North Carolina and Indiana on Tuesday. Polls close by 7 p.m. EDT in Indiana and by 7:30 p.m. EDT in North Carolina. Results are expected shortly after.

'WASHINGTON GIMMICK'

In an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Obama dismissed Clinton's gas-tax proposal as "a classic Washington gimmick" that has no chance of becoming law.

"What this is a strategy to get through the next election," he said.

Obama acknowledged he should have more quickly distanced himself from his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has suggested the U.S. government created AIDS to kill blacks and the September 11 attacks were payback for U.S. foreign policy.

He did not repudiate Wright completely until last week, after the Chicago preacher reiterated his views.

"When you're in national politics, it's always good to pull the Band-aid off quick," Obama said. "But life's messy sometimes, it's not always neat, and things don't always proceed in textbook Political 101 fashion."

The Illinois senator also compared Clinton's views on Iran to those of unpopular Republican President George W. Bush. Clinton has threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel.

"It is important that we use language that sends a signal to the world community that we're shifting from the sort of cowboy diplomacy, or lack of diplomacy, that we've seen out of George Bush," he said.

Obama launched a new ad slamming Clinton's gas tax plan.

"Clinton aides admit it won't do much for you, but would help her politically," the ad's announcer says.

Clinton aides said the spot was misleading because a person cited in the Obama ad was actually criticizing McCain, not Clinton.

Obama remains the front-runner in the Democratic race, though he is not expected to win enough delegates from state contests to clinch the nomination outright. The nominee is likely to be determined by party insiders.

Opinion polls show Obama losing ground to Clinton in Indiana and North Carolina during the past several weeks.

Obama now leads Clinton by an average of 7 points in North Carolina and trails her by an average of 6 points in Indiana.

Obama spent the afternoon campaigning door-to-door in Elkhart, Indiana, where much of the talk was about high gas prices. One woman said it cost $4 to mow her lawn.

Clinton, meanwhile, encouraged supporters in Fort Wayne, Indiana, to help get people to the polls on Tuesday.

She has spent $6.7 million in the two states, according to her campaign aides, while Obama has spent $10.5 million.

On Saturday night, Obama eked out a narrow seven-vote victory in the U.S. Pacific island territory of Guam.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080504/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc;_ylt=Avw_9JAZT.XbEtuvHAgMmkCs0NUE


She sounds like Bush, what the heck do the experts know ?

patriotsblade
05-05-2008, 12:36 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/04/clinton-im-listening-to-economists-on-gas-tax-holiday/

INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (CNN) — In the face of criticism from a slate of economists who say her gas tax holiday plan would be ineffective or even harmful, Hillary Clinton said she wasn’t taking stock of their opinions and emphasized that this was a short-term fix that would primarily benefit long-distance drivers.

“I’m not going to put my lot in with economists,” Clinton told George Stephanopolous on ABC’s ‘This Week’ after he asked her to name a single economist supporting her plan. “If we actually did it right, if we had a president who used all the tools of the presidency, we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.”

Clinton said she didn’t understand the resistance her plan is getting since its intention is to provide relief.


“On so many of these issues where costs have gone up, where people are really feeling squeezed, there just doesn’t seem to be an understanding about what people go through,” Clinton told Stephanopolous.

The debate over Clinton and McCain’s different pieces of legislation to remove the gas tax this summer reached a fever pitch this week with Barack Obama leading the charge to reject it, saying Saturday, “This is what passes for leadership in Washington - phony ideas, calculated to win elections instead of actually solving problems.”

“It’s a misnomer to say this is all that I’m doing,” Clinton defended herself, “I have a comprehensive long-term energy plan that would go right at dependence on foreign oil.”

Clinton has been arguing that it’s not only about the money saved but the message it sends. “I really believe we’ve got to start right now, demonstrating a willingness to take on these oil companies,” she argued to Stephanopolous.

Trueblue
05-05-2008, 05:20 AM
$26.00 for the average person. :( That'll fix it.

Lone Laugher
05-05-2008, 05:53 AM
Brilliant! I'll use it for a fucking oil change.

patriotsblade
05-05-2008, 05:59 AM
:lol

Ringo
05-05-2008, 06:43 AM
Somewhere in the area of $18.50 per 100 gallons is what you would save, so if you used 500 gallons over the summer you save around $93!

Actually what is temporaily needed is Price Controls, even though I hate them, freeze the price at $3 on the high side!

Build Govt funded refineries, ONE new one on each Coast N-S-W, this will maximize production!

Begin slant drilling of the South Atlantic, before the damn Chinese suck the Ocean bed dry, don't hear the WACKOS crying about their BROTHERS drilling down near Cuba!!

Take Oil Stocks OFF the Futures Markets, and that alone will drive down prices, as most of this is MANIPULATED, by Big Oil & Wall St, not BUSH as is the popular cry!!!

Finally lets start doing something, flooding Reps in DC with E-Mails, Phomne calls, Personal Letters, promising them they WON'T BE BAAACH, unless they act to put a halt to OIL & FOOD gouging!!:godzilla:godzilla

jim
05-05-2008, 08:57 AM
Somewhere in the area of $18.50 per 100 gallons is what you would save, so if you used 500 gallons over the summer you save around $93!

Actually what is temporaily needed is Price Controls, even though I hate them, freeze the price at $3 on the high side!

Build Govt funded refineries, ONE new one on each Coast N-S-W, this will maximize production!

Begin slant drilling of the South Atlantic, before the damn Chinese suck the Ocean bed dry, don't hear the WACKOS crying about their BROTHERS drilling down near Cuba!!

Take Oil Stocks OFF the Futures Markets, and that alone will drive down prices, as most of this is MANIPULATED, by Big Oil & Wall St, not BUSH as is the popular cry!!!

Finally lets start doing something, flooding Reps in DC with E-Mails, Phomne calls, Personal Letters, promising them they WON'T BE BAAACH, unless they act to put a halt to OIL & FOOD gouging!!:godzilla:godzilla

Nothing else will work with politicians!!:hotdog:brr

Ringo
05-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Somewhere in the area of $18.50 per 100 gallons is what you would save, so if you used 500 gallons over the summer you save around $93!

Actually what is temporaily needed is Price Controls, even though I hate them, freeze the price at $3 on the high side!

Build Govt funded refineries, ONE new one on each Coast N-S-W, this will maximize production!

Begin slant drilling of the South Atlantic, before the damn Chinese suck the Ocean bed dry, don't hear the WACKOS crying about their BROTHERS drilling down near Cuba!!

Take Oil Stocks OFF the Futures Markets, and that alone will drive down prices, as most of this is MANIPULATED, by Big Oil & Wall St, not BUSH as is the popular cry!!!

Finally lets start doing something, flooding Reps in DC with E-Mails, Phomne calls, Personal Letters, promising them they WON'T BE BAAACH, unless they act to put a halt to OIL & FOOD gouging!!:godzilla:godzilla

Nothing else will work with politicians!!:hotdog:brr

Yea unfortunately we can't slap the idiots upside the damn head daily, so taking away thier GRAVY TRAIN ias the next step! This will require the PARTISANSHIP of ALL voters, as the problem is POLITICAL, not POLITICAL PARTIES!!

issac the dragon
05-05-2008, 11:58 AM
The only people who think Clinton's gas tax plan is a good idea are the truck drivers. She has made some real friends in that industry.

jim
05-05-2008, 01:08 PM
[QUOTE=jim;207445]

Yea unfortunately we can't slap the idiots upside the damn head daily, so taking away thier GRAVY TRAIN ias the next step! This will require the PARTISANSHIP of ALL voters, as the problem is POLITICAL, not POLITICAL PARTIES!!

I am afraid this country is too broken to ever come together again: And beating anyone up side of the head won't help to bring it back: like one damn nut in Clarkesville, tn said: "I will beat the American back into them":sumo:devil

jim
05-05-2008, 01:10 PM
The only people who think Clinton's gas tax plan is a good idea are the truck drivers. She has made some real friends in that industry.

Sounds about right:rooster

Yellowdogtexan
05-05-2008, 11:18 PM
Clinton is ignoring the advice of economists. Gee, she is sounding like bush and mclame. If she is not careful she may start believing in the tax cut fairy

jim
05-06-2008, 05:24 AM
Clinton is ignoring the advice of economists. Gee, she is sounding like bush and mclame. If she is not careful she may start believing in the tax cut fairy

Right now: I don't know who would be worse...I think we are going down and it is damn near if not completely too far gone to turn around:godzilla:brr

Yellowdogtexan
05-06-2008, 08:23 AM
Right now: I don't know who would be worse...I think we are going down and it is damn near if not completely too far gone to turn around:godzilla:brrAny fool who is stupid enough to believe in the tax cut fairy is too dumb to be president. bush's stupidity in believing in the tax cut fairy is one reason why our economy is in such bad shape and it appears that mcsame is just as stupid. Again, only fools and people who are ignorant believe in the tax cut fairy and these people should not be in public office.

Lone Laugher
05-06-2008, 02:31 PM
My family is firmly rooted in the middle class. The high prices at the pump and at the supermarket are having an impact on us.

I am insulted by this tax holiday bullshit. I just saw Carly Fiorina ( ex Hewlett Packard CEO and current McCain advisor ) spout off about how this measure helps a little..but it does help. Bullshit.

I'd prefer a concerted effort to move away from oil to the GOVERNMENT HANDOUT that the GOP wants to provide.

Saguaro
05-06-2008, 02:32 PM
Ohhh, I am just sure the oil comapnies are going to willing pay the gas tax without passing it on to consumers, yea, right.

jim
05-06-2008, 05:17 PM
Ohhh, I am just sure the oil comapnies are going to willing pay the gas tax without passing it on to consumers, yea, right.

:rofl:yep