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Saguaro
05-03-2008, 07:18 PM
HAGATNA, Guam - Barack Obama defeated Hillary Rodham Clinton by seven votes in the Guam Democratic presidential caucuses Saturday. The count of more than 4,500 ballots took all night.

Neither candidate campaigned in the U.S. island territory in person, but both did long-distance media interviews and bought campaign ads for the caucuses.

Results of the count completed Sunday morning Guam time show delegates pledged to Obama with 2,264 votes to 2,257 for Clinton's slate. That means they'll split the pledged delegate votes. Obama's slate won in 14 of 21 districts.

Eight pledged delegates will attend the convention, each with one-half vote.

U.S. citizens on the island, however, have no vote in the November election.

The territory also sends five superdelegates to the National Convention in August in Denver.

Voters picked two of the superdelegates, electing uncommitted Pilar Lujan party chairman and Jaime Paulina vice chairman. Paulina ran as an Obama supporter. One other existing superdelegate has favored Clinton and the votes of the other two have not been declared.

All-day voting Saturday had people lining up at 21 caucus sites around the U.S. territorial island, which has unexpected importance in a historic Democratic race in which every delegate matters.

There was no direct presidential vote, but each candidate had a slate of supporters on the ballot.

Slow ballot-by-ballot counting went through the night in the territorial legislative building after votes were hand-carried from the caucus sites.

Presidential caucuses on Guam usually pass without much notice from the candidates. This time, Obama and Clinton made their case for the territory's four regular delegates with local advertising and long-distance interviews.

Lines formed early at some caucus sites.

Cynthia Estrada of Dededo said she was making up her mind while waiting to vote, but she was leaning toward Clinton.

"She's had the experience," she said. "She's got her husband to help her."

Yona resident Tommy Shimizu said he was voting for Obama delegates.

"It's the fact that he grew up in Hawaii, and I think he can make change," he said. "I think it's time for that."

Clinton and Obama pitched improved health care and economic opportunity as they courted Guam voters from across the international date line. Both Clinton and Obama say they've got the better health plan for Guamanians.

Obama said in an interview with Pacific Daily News that he would support reexamination of a $5.4 million Medicaid spending limit imposed on the territory. Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, told KUAM radio that his wife would work to remove the cap.

Hillary Clinton also has called for Guamanians to be able to vote in presidential elections.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080503/ap_on_el_pr/guam_caucuses;_ylt=AstMXQgzEkDNTdMqHhTJRTqs0NUE

Lone Laugher
05-03-2008, 07:26 PM
A landslide!

quiet man
05-03-2008, 08:49 PM
A landslide!
a win is a win whether its seven votes or one it is still the same. change will still take place, some will need to hang on tight. :drevil :sparks2 :rooster :sparks

Saguaro
05-03-2008, 08:57 PM
If Obama can overcome Wright, then it is full steam ahead.

grabsomebench
05-03-2008, 09:46 PM
Those in the media who continue to obsess with Wright do this country a great injustice.
This thing has been beaten to death for crisesakes. I just heard Lou Dobbs asking some African American minister why the media should not keep bringing Wright up and why he said GD America.
First, Obama has categorically refuted the specific political rants in question. The church in question is one that I have driven by on 95th street on the S.E. side of Chicago. That street is named for Reverend Wright in a black American neighborhood where he is revered. It is the largest church in that area and therefore, the logical choice for thousands who are parishioners there as well as for an African American politician from there who represented those people and worked to help them. This is not some fringe church in the black community despite Wrights political rants.
As far as his GD America Dobbs questioned how that could ever make sense, even in the context of America doing something wrong. That is getting into semantics and into questioning how far one could go in using a metaphor for political argument.
If you look at what our country has done in Guantanamo, torturing and imprisoning people like dos, Abu Gharib, where pictures told a thousand words, or in invading and killing tens of thousands in Iraq and setting up oil shop there for a hundred years, yes, some could arguably use a very negative description of our country to convey a point. What does that have to do with church or religion? Come on... Aren't killing, torturing and imprisoning people, treating them like dogs, etc MORAL issues?
What else is church for. ? Believing that there is a little man upstairs that is oh so worried about your every personal crisis?

Saguaro
05-03-2008, 09:56 PM
7 points is a touchdown and point after :D

Matt
05-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Hey, we have a president who won by 1 vote.
Don't decide now that counts for nothing!

Lone Laugher
05-04-2008, 05:40 AM
Grab...you are justifiably upset. Over the past few days there has ben no new Obama/Wright dialogue....so the "news" channels are all asking: Should we stop talking about Rev. Wright? Will Obama survive the Wright controversy? What next for Rev. Wright?

They are hungry for ratings, period.

Ringo
05-04-2008, 12:25 PM
Good grief Guam had been POLLUTION free since Kerry, and then comes these TWO criminals pandering for the Communist Party of KKKA no no no...not God Bless MERIKA...God damn Merika, god damned Merika!!!!!


YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU HOWARD, YOU IDIOT WE TRY TO HIDE IN THE BACKGROUND, LIKE ODUMMYS GRANDMA!!:sparks2:sparks2:mw:mw:LL

Lone Laugher
05-04-2008, 01:10 PM
I want some of what he's having.

Matt
05-04-2008, 02:25 PM
:rofl@LL.
I just checked back to see if that was a Saturday night post.
From here it appears to be a Sunday noon post ~ so Cinco de Mayo!:drunks

jim
05-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Those in the media who continue to obsess with Wright do this country a great injustice.
This thing has been beaten to death for crisesakes. I just heard Lou Dobbs asking some African American minister why the media should not keep bringing Wright up and why he said GD America.
First, Obama has categorically refuted the specific political rants in question. The church in question is one that I have driven by on 95th street on the S.E. side of Chicago. That street is named for Reverend Wright in a black American neighborhood where he is revered. It is the largest church in that area and therefore, the logical choice for thousands who are parishioners there as well as for an African American politician from there who represented those people and worked to help them. This is not some fringe church in the black community despite Wrights political rants.
As far as his GD America Dobbs questioned how that could ever make sense, even in the context of America doing something wrong. That is getting into semantics and into questioning how far one could go in using a metaphor for political argument.
If you look at what our country has done in Guantanamo, torturing and imprisoning people like dos, Abu Gharib, where pictures told a thousand words, or in invading and killing tens of thousands in Iraq and setting up oil shop there for a hundred years, yes, some could arguably use a very negative description of our country to convey a point. What does that have to do with church or religion? Come on... Aren't killing, torturing and imprisoning people, treating them like dogs, etc MORAL issues?
What else is church for. ? Believing that there is a little man upstairs that is oh so worried about your every personal crisis?

Right!! Then too: Damn...Damnat...Comes from Greek meaning to lose or cause a loss. The well known blasphemy means more or less: "May God lose you" or "May you be lost to God" So...?... Many medical terms etc are derived from the Greek language :hotdog:aliens

grabsomebench
05-04-2008, 11:42 PM
Thanks , uh, evxaristo Dimitri