Mccain:US Invade Iraq for the Oil

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is going to be fun to watch. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/02/mccain-implies-iraq-war-was-about-oil/During a townhall event in Denver today, John McCain made this eye-opening observation:My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.The comments echo the words of former Fed Chief Alan Greenspan, who wrote that he is “saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.” Perhaps McCain truly is reading Greenspan’s bookSee also http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/03/mccain-stumbles-while-attempting-to-explain-his-iraq-oil-remarks/At a townhall event yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) implied that the U.S. went to war in Iraq over oil, saying that if America had energy independence that would “prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East. Later, on his campaign plane, McCain tried to clarify his remarks, claiming that he was talking about the “the first Gulf War.” Pressed by a reporter, McCain stumbled when asked if he was actually “thinking about the first Gulf War” when he made the statement:
But then when specifically asked by an Associated Press reporter if, when he made the statement, he was “thinking about the first Gulf War,” he said no.

“No, I was thinking about- it’s not hard to- we will not,” McCain stumbled. “By eliminating our dependency on foreign oil, we will not have to have our national security threatened by a cut off of that oil. Because we will be dependent, because we won’t be dependent, we will no longer be dependent on foreign oil. That’s what my remarks were.”The Iraq war was never about WMDs or Saddam but was about the Oil. Due to his advanced age and senility, mccain was honest with the american people about the true reasons for the war in Iraq

[toxic]

It wasn't only for the oil, we're fighting a proxy war for Israel.

[Matt]

All of the above!

[Trueblue]

Oops, some truth got out. :nono

[Ringo]

Why look everyone its a LIBERAL WHINE ALONG everyone WHINE the last chorus now!! Two of the posters think they have a CLUE what the TRUTH is, but remember they are Al Bore-Odummy Groupies, so they will buy into anything!!:devil:tb:mw

[Matt]

I can't figure out what you are selling but I know I'm not buying. :roll

[AYFR]

OMG
The spin here make me dizzy

McCain clarifies remark about oil, Iraq war

Presumptive GOP nominee said he was talking about the first Gulf war, not the current conflict

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mccain-iraq-war-2033178-years-oil

[Trueblue]

Only Publicans can clarify their remarks and they must have their clarifications taken without question.

This is rule number three, right after the one about how only Publicans can receive forgiveness for cheating on their spouses.

[Wabash]

This is going to be fun to watch. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/02/mccain-implies-iraq-war-was-about-oil/See also http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/03/mccain-stumbles-while-attempting-to-explain-his-iraq-oil-remarks/The Iraq war was never about WMDs or Saddam but was about the Oil. Due to his advanced age and senility, mccain was honest with the american people about the true reasons for the war in Iraq
Bullshit...you don't have a fucking clue...you never do! All Guess work! No wonder you libs believe in GW...
It wasn't only for the oil, we're fighting a proxy war for Israel.
Not a bad idea at all...we are vicariously keeping the lid on.....

Why look everyone its a LIBERAL WHINE ALONG everyone WHINE the last chorus now!! Two of the posters think they have a CLUE what the TRUTH is, but remember they are Al Bore-Odummy Groupies, so they will buy into anything!!:devil:tb:mw
BOY HOWDY!

I can't figure out what you are selling but I know I'm not buying. :roll
What? You can't figure it out...gimme a break...Ringo is as clear as a bell here!

OMG
The spin here make me dizzy
[/B]
No shit!

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mccain-iraq-war-2033178-years-oil

Only Publicans can clarify their remarks and they must have their clarifications taken without question.
Well it's sure as hell very obvious that Libs can't clarify anything, they can't even comprehend it!

This is rule number three, right after the one about how only Publicans can receive forgiveness for cheating on their spouses.

What convoluted bullshit! Stick to the point!

[Wabash]

You are correct Rev...Time to change the name of this thread to The Spin City Libs!:LL

[Yellowdogtexan]

Again, rev, there are remedial courses that could help on your issues on reading comprehension. Mccain himself has blown the claim that he was talking about the first gulf war.

Since you are challenged as to your reading comprehension, maybe this will help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmRJZp1TY8 This is a good segment from Countdown on mclame's admission that the war in Iraq was for the oil.

[AYFR]

YDT we all alredy know tat you are a party hack so whatever you say is null and void

http://www.webdesign-guru.co.uk/icon/wp-content/uploads/rejected.gif

[AYFR]

Wabash TB can't stick to the point, she has to always try and put the Democrats on a high horse no matter what happens.

[Trueblue]

Drink your coffee, and put some sugar in it, Rev. You need sweetening this morning. :D

YDT isn't a party hack, and I'm not always putting the Dems on a high horse. We are committed to the party, because the party shares our values. [Forgive me, YDT, if I have mischaracterized your views here].

[AYFR]

YDT is a hack, he gets emails from Dean and is a being delegate.
He is as hacky as they come.

You patronize other people from being committed to their party and always put the Dems above others.

[Yellowdogtexan]

YDT we all alredy know tat you are a party hack so whatever you say is null and voidNo it is you who is amusing. Your inability to read and understand simple concepts amuse me greatly. Again, read this thread. It is the mclame campaign who is pushing the concept that mcsame referred to the first gulf war but mclame was asked about this and declared that this was wrong. Mclame is evidently too senile to listen to his campaign and to go with their excuse for his latest blunder or senior moment.

[Yellowdogtexan]

YDT is a hack, he gets emails from Dean and is a being delegate.
He is as hacky as they come.I gave money to several campaigns and so I am on a number of e-mail lists (this happens when you make campaign contributions). I used to be on the RNC mailing list because I have voted in the GOP primary a couple of times for some judges that I like but since I never gave any money, they eventually took me off their list.

The key issue is the fact that mclame had a senior moment and told the truth about the war in Iraq. If the rev watched the countdown article, he would understand the issues and not be so poorly informed.

[Partyless]

Ok answer me this - if the Iraqi invasion was all about oil - and we've been over there for five years (yikes!), why haven't gas prices gone DOWN in that time.

Surely if the most powerful industrialized nation invaded a country to take over their oil reserves, we'd have improved refineries, production, and supplies to the point that American's (the hell with the rest of the world, right?) wouldn't be paying nearly $4 a gallon for gas right now.
:shrug2:whistle

What a crock. I agree we went into Iraq under false pretenses but this war for oil shit is so ridiculous. McCain may be showing early forms of senility if he's buying into that crap.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Ok answer me this - if the Iraqi invasion was all about oil - and we've been over there for five years (yikes!), why haven't gas prices gone DOWN in that time. Because we are doing the same type of job that the bushies did in New Orleans. The US went to Iraq for the oil but we have blown it in so many different ways including our inablity to defend the pipelines. Oil production is finally getting back to pre-war levels because a new pipeline through Kurd areas to Turkey that is not as vulnerable to being blown up as the other pipelines that were in the Sunni areas.

The bushies have mismanged ever aspect of the occupation of Iraq and that is why we are not getting any benefit from the invasion

[Ringo]

Again, rev, there are remedial courses that could help on your issues on reading comprehension. Mccain himself has blown the claim that he was talking about the first gulf war.

Since you are challenged as to your reading comprehension, maybe this will help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmRJZp1TY8 This is a good segment from Countdown on mclame's admission that the war in Iraq was for the oil.

DID INSULTING BECOME A PART OF "MODERATED FORUMS" OR THIS RESERVED FOR THOSE SPECIAL, SPECIAL SPECIAL LIBERALS, WHO TRY THE PRETENSE OF INTELLECTUALISM????

MODS?? YOUR OPINION? SAG? PATRIOT? TART? OCEAN?

[issac the dragon]

I never thought the war was about getting oil per say. It was about keeping the price of oil high and keeping the profits to the oil companies up. Hussien was going to compete with less expensive oil. Maybe I should quit reading socialist crap.

[Partyless]

I never thought the war was about getting oil per say. It was about keeping the price of oil high and keeping the profits to the oil companies up. Hussien was going to compete with less expensive oil. Maybe I should quit reading socialist crap.

Actually you're bringing up another 'socialist' point - these so called 'obsene' profits the oil companies are making and how the public and pandering politicians are squawking about that. When these same idiots need to look at profit MARGINS and realize that Mattel, Martha Stewart Inc. Oprah, and just about every single financial instution and pharm company made a higher profit margin than Exxon did in 2007. I don't hear the average moron calling for an investigation into Oprah or Martha!

[Partyless]

Because we are doing the same type of job that the bushies did in New Orleans. The US went to Iraq for the oil but we have blown it in so many different ways including our inablity to defend the pipelines. Oil production is finally getting back to pre-war levels because a new pipeline through Kurd areas to Turkey that is not as vulnerable to being blown up as the other pipelines that were in the Sunni areas.

The bushies have mismanged ever aspect of the occupation of Iraq and that is why we are not getting any benefit from the invasion

New Orleans and Iraq are worlds apart - figuratively and literally. And New Orleans' problems didn't start with Bush - they started with corrupt Democrats in power there! Want to try to blame the actual hurricane on Bush, too?

[toxic]

Ok answer me this - if the Iraqi invasion was all about oil - and we've been over there for five years (yikes!), why haven't gas prices gone DOWN in that time.

Surely if the most powerful industrialized nation invaded a country to take over their oil reserves, we'd have improved refineries, production, and supplies to the point that American's (the hell with the rest of the world, right?) wouldn't be paying nearly $4 a gallon for gas right now.
:shrug2:whistle

What a crock. I agree we went into Iraq under false pretenses but this war for oil shit is so ridiculous. McCain may be showing early forms of senility if he's buying into that crap.

Oil is down somewhat. You just don't know it.

If you look at commodies (Lead, Copper, Gold, Wheat, Rice,...), you see that have ALL gone up in cost to Americans. The common element isn't the commodities, it is the US Dollar.

http://www.ecapital-financing.com/picts/important%20commodities.gif

Click here to see the US dollar (USD$) has declined by 50%, not counting inflation, under the Bush Administration. If you count inflation, say against Gas, it's down about 70%.

http://tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/US/M/?saveprefs=t&xshowdata=t&xCharttype=b&xhide_specs=f&xhide_analysis=f&xhide_survey=t&xhide_news=f

The only think that has kept this from being obvious is Chinese and Mexican labor and Wal-Mart distributing. Otherwise you would clearly see America is bankrupt.

[Trueblue]

YDT is a hack, he gets emails from Dean and is a being delegate.
He is as hacky as they come.

You patronize other people from being committed to their party and always put the Dems above others.

:violin

[AYFR]

I gave money to several campaigns and so I am on a number of e-mail lists (this happens when you make campaign contributions). I used to be on the RNC mailing list because I have voted in the GOP primary a couple of times for some judges that I like but since I never gave any money, they eventually took me off their list.

The key issue is the fact that mclame had a senior moment and told the truth about the war in Iraq. If the rev watched the countdown article, he would understand the issues and not be so poorly informed.
Dude you are a hack and you know it.
No it is you who is amusing. Your inability to read and understand simple concepts amuse me greatly. Again, read this thread. It is the mclame campaign who is pushing the concept that mcsame referred to the first gulf war but mclame was asked about this and declared that this was wrong. Mclame is evidently too senile to listen to his campaign and to go with their excuse for his latest blunder or senior moment.
Lets see who it is that can't read


ABC News’ Bret Hovell reports: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) stepped away Friday from seeming to suggest earlier in the day that the Iraq War was motivated by U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

At a town hall meeting in Denver Friday morning, McCain was discussing the war in Iraq, and comments about how long the United States will be involved in that region, when he pivoted quickly to energy policy.

“And I just want to promise you this: My friends, I will have an energy policy, that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East,” McCain said. “That will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.”
After landing in Phoenix later in the day, McCain told reporters that he was not saying that the conflict is about oil.

“We went to Iraq because we believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and he was going to use them,” McCain said, reiterating what he has said before on numerous occasions.
He said that he was actually referring to the first Gulf War when he talked about how a new energy policy would allow the Untied States never to have to “send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.”

“I was talking about that we had fought the first Gulf War for several reasons,” McCain said, noting primarily that Iraq had invaded its neighbor Kuwait.

“But also we didn’t want them to have control over the oil, and that part of the world is critical to us because of our dependency on foreign oil. And it’s more important than in any other part of the world.”

But he did not mention the first Gulf War during his town hall meeting in Denver. His comments then came in the context of a conversation about the latest Iraq struggle, and how his plans for Iraq differ from that of his Democratic opponents, who want to begin withdrawing troops quickly from Iraq.

“I believe that that would lead to catastrophe and chaos,” he said of the Democrats’ plans. “And that we would have the whole region, including the country, in such turmoil that we would be required to come back to the region.”

In the very next sentence, McCain said that he wanted to promise Americans that his energy policy would prevent future conflict in the Middle East, as noted above.

In Phoenix, McCain acknowledged how he might have created the impression that oil and the Iraq war were connected, and he sought to correct it.

“I’m sorry if there was a misconception of that. And I hope I cleared that up. … I’m sorry that the word ‘again’ somehow caused an upheaval.”

McCain said that even though he did not vote for war with Iraq because of the vast oil reserves in that region, he does believe that dependency on foreign oil is something that is taken into account.

“I think that if we’re dependent on anything outside the United States of America, it has to, it has to enter into any calculations that we make,” McCain said.

He said that his comments in Denver related only to his desire to be completely independent of foreign oil.
“It’s obvious that we are dependent on oil from the Middle East and that is something that we have to become independent of, because it’s a very unstable part of the world.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/mccain-backs-of.html

YDT proven wrong again
Swish nothing but net

[AYFR]

:violin

Feeling sorry for yourself.

[Trueblue]

Hack, as in somebody who works for and is loyal to a party.

I don't know what's wrong with that. :shrug

[Trueblue]

New Orleans and Iraq are worlds apart - figuratively and literally. And New Orleans' problems didn't start with Bush - they started with corrupt Democrats in power there! Want to try to blame the actual hurricane on Bush, too?

A lot of "non-partisans" seem to be Republicans underneath.

[Matt]

The biggest problem that we have in government now is the Rush syndrome of vilifying liberals.
We must learn to compromise again and take pride in the fact that we worked the best deal that we could for our country.

[AYFR]

Hack, as in somebody who works for and is loyal to a party.

I don't know what's wrong with that. :shrug
Noun1.political hack - a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/political+hack

[Trueblue]

Noun1.political hack - a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/political+hack

Exactly my point. You don't need to call him a hack simply because he has a point of view-that is redefining hack. "Private rather than public ends". You think he is profiting by his affliation?????

[Yellowdogtexan]

Exactly my point. You don't need to call him a hack simply because he has a point of view-that is redefining hack. "Private rather than public ends". You think he is profiting by his affliation?????The Rev. is silly and is mad that I keep pointing out that he is unable to understand or comprehend rather simple concepts. The Rev. has repeatedly demonstrated a severe reading comprehension problem that is really very sad. Here, the Rev. is pushing the spin that mccain was referring to the first Gulf War despite the fact that mclame was asked about this and denied that this was what he meant (now that his advisors have stepped in and taken control the spin may change). This is almost as silly as the Rev's amusing inability to understand that rush the drug addict insulted a majority of our troops who are against the war when he called them phony soliders but is not as bad as the time when Rev. took material out of context from Media Matters in a fashion that would have gotten the Rev. sanctioned IF he has been a lawyer and tried that in the real world (ethics are important to lawyers as compared to silly laypersons).

As for being a political hack, I am a lawyer who has volunteered and made campaign contributions. The money so far has flowed from me to the candidates who I have supported or causes that I believe is and not the other way. I am lucky in that I can contribute to candidates who I believe in and I can volunteer time for causes within reason. My practice is all private and I derive no financial benefit from my political beliefs. Again, the Rev. is being a silly goose here but what do you expect from someone who posts material on the religions thread that is based on and relies on the concept of a time traveling satan who went back in time to plant christian concepts in pagan religions. Being called a hack by someone that silly is just plain funny.

I wish that I had more time to work on campaigns but the real world gets into the way. Heck, last night I was suppose to go to a meeting of the delegation from my county/senate district to the Texas State Democratic convention at 6 PM but was at the office until 8 last night working on some deals. I may or may not be able to make it to the state Democratic convention in June given my schedule and the fact that I have not found a hotel room in Austin for that weekend. If the race is settled, I am hoping that some rooms will open up.

[Yellowdogtexan]

BTW, this is amusing. One of mclame's allies is in effect attacking mcsame for his war for oil comments. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/mccain-kyl-iraq-oil/Ironically, one of McCain’s biggest supporters, fellow Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl (R) implicitly criticizes McCain today in a column attacking lawmakers who want Iraq to pay for more of its reconstruction with oil revenues, writing that “we must never make it appear as if we went into Iraq for its oil“:It’s one thing to ensure that the Iraqis continue to shoulder more of the burden; it’s quite another to punish our troops if Iraq falters in its efforts. And we must never make it appear as if we went into Iraq for its oil.At a press conference in Arizona today, McCain tried to recalibrate his oil remarks again, this time saying he will make sure that “dependence” on oil “will never be the source or any reason for us to be in a conflict in the Middle East.”

As ThinkProgress noted on Friday, McCain’s comments echo the words of former Fed Chief Alan Greenspan, who wrote in his memoir that he is “saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.”Greenspan and mclame both spoke the truth about the true reason for the war in Iraq and so Senator Kyl had to tell them to shut up.

[AYFR]

This is funny, YDT was proven wrong and a liar in the religion thread so now he has to bring up something that was never part of ti or mentioned in it.
That is a true spinner
He was also proven wrong about McCains statement here.

YDT gets beaten so he has to spin it so that he looks like the winner. That is truly pathetic but again that is how Doggy licks it.

BTW private ends does not mean just money.

Dog is a hack, a liar, and wrong most of the time.

[Partyless]

A lot of "non-partisans" seem to be Republicans underneath.

Oh my - cut me to the quick!

Give me a fucking break - sometimes NON PARTISAN means we don't buy into every single propaganda or hate speak about the current administration.

Seriously - that's all you got out of my posts? Carry on - you just want like minded folks to diss Bush with you. I have better things to do - even if I do agree with you that he's an ineffective president - I can also debate and argue points without picking a fucking side of the political aisle.

Wanna call me a fence sitter and think that's an insult - fine - but sheep don't sit on fences! At least I have that going for me!

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is funny, YDT was proven wrong and a liar in the religion thread so now he has to bring up REv. I made you look silly on the Jews need perfecting thread because you were silly and posted materials that relied on a time traveling satan to explain how pagan religions had somehow copied christian themes. See http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showpost.php?p=149778&postcount=192You took offense at the zeitgeist move and your attempt to distinguish Horus from Jesus was so sad that it was funny. You may not realize how silly you were on that thread but I have kept the link and am glad to remind you. Again, christianity did steal or borrow themes from other religions. The fact that you are still in denial about this thread is so very amusing.

So far you are not close to beating me on any thread that I remember. The tax cut myth thread is a classic example of your inablity to understand even simple economic concepts and I love the concept that there are people out there who are dumb enough to believe in the tax cut fairy. I am not surprised that you are supporting mclame since he is a believer in the tax cut fairy and his understanding of economics is just as bad as your attempts to understand economics.

I do not have to spin. When you actually understand an issue, it is more of a matter of trying to explain the truth to those who do not understand what is going on. I keep trying to educate you but this appears to be a diffiucult job.

[Trueblue]

Oh my - cut me to the quick!

Give me a fucking break - sometimes NON PARTISAN means we don't buy into every single propaganda or hate speak about the current administration.

Seriously - that's all you got out of my posts? Carry on - you just want like minded folks to diss Bush with you. I have better things to do - even if I do agree with you that he's an ineffective president - I can also debate and argue points without picking a fucking side of the political aisle.

Wanna call me a fence sitter and think that's an insult - fine - but sheep don't sit on fences! At least I have that going for me!

I didn't want to cut you to the quick, that is all I got out of your post, I don't just want like minded folks to diss Bush with me, and it was a comment, not an insult.

[AYFR]

REv. I made you look silly on the Jews need perfecting thread because you were silly and posted materials that relied on a time traveling satan to explain how pagan religions had somehow copied christian themes. See http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showpost.php?p=149778&postcount=192You took offense at the zeitgeist move and your attempt to distinguish Horus from Jesus was so sad that it was funny. You may not realize how silly you were on that thread but I have kept the link and am glad to remind you. Again, christianity did steal or borrow themes from other religions. The fact that you are still in denial about this thread is so very amusing.

Again you are wrong. I NEVER said anything about time travel and neither did my post.
Furthermore after furtherin examining the book The Case for the Real Jesus by Lee Strobel. He make no mention of satan time traveling.
Here is the link I posted that proved you wrong
http://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html

So far you are not close to beating me on any thread that I remember. The tax cut myth thread is a classic example of your inablity to understand even simple economic concepts and I love the concept that there are people out there who are dumb enough to believe in the tax cut fairy. I am not surprised that you are supporting mclame since he is a believer in the tax cut fairy and his understanding of economics is just as bad as your attempts to understand economics.
I have beaten you several times. Then you just turn to insults and claim you have won.
I also have proven you to be a liar.
You were wrong about tax cuts, you are wrong about GW, and you are wrong on just about everything you say.


I do not have to spin. When you actually understand an issue, it is more of a matter of trying to explain the truth to those who do not understand what is going on. I keep trying to educate you but this appears to be a diffiucult job.
Man you spin more then a top.
Why would I want education from a liar and someone that is constantly wrong?

[Yellowdogtexan]

Man you spin more then a top.
Why would I want education from a liar and someone that is constantly wrong?Because you are ignorant and it is so sad for someone like to be so poorly informed. I tell you want what, do you want me to take you posts on tax cuts to the head of the economics department at my son's graduation. There is a private lunch for the phi beta kappa members next week and I have already met him at another honors society awards dinner. One of my son's three majors is economics and my son has already laughed at your posts on tax cuts because they were so very sad. I would be glad to let some other people laugh at your funny attempts at economic analysis because these professors would find you to be amusing. Again, the tax cut fairy does not exist and only idiots like mccain and bush are stupid enough to believe in the tax cut fairy.

As for the religion thread, you are still in denial. You attempted to show that Horus and Jesus were different and the article you quoted relied on and recommended the Lee Strobel book which claims that it was pagans who stoled the various themes from christianity. While you did not mention time travel, the sole source relied on by your article in that debate does base his claims on the theory that pagans stole ideas from christianity or the so-called theory of pre-mimicry (i.e. the copy coming before the original). Again, as noted in my post this is only possible if Satan did some time travel in order to make christianity look silly. Unlike you, I look at footnotes and references to make sure that my claims make sense. That is the reason that I checked your article and saw that your article was based on the concept of a time traveling satan. You may not like the fact that Strobel's works are flawed but you are unable to defend such works. Again, if you read and understood footnotes, you would not have this problem.

Again, I happy to continue to educate you. It is sad to see someone so poorly informed out there.

[AYFR]

AGain you are wrong
Strobel never said anything about time travel. Try reading the book, and Horus and Jesus are different. Too bad you are too stupid to realize when you are wrong.

Take my posts where you want, there are plenty of economist that agree with me.
The head of the TCU economic dept for one