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Saguaro
04-30-2008, 09:38 AM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A gas tax holiday proposed by U.S. presidential hopefuls John McCain and Hillary Clinton is viewed as a bad idea by many economists and has drawn unexpected support for Clinton rival Barack Obama, who also is opposed.

"Score one for Obama," wrote Greg Mankiw, a former chairman of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. "In light of the side effects associated with driving ... gasoline taxes should be higher than they are, not lower."

Republican McCain and Democrat Clinton, who is battling Obama for their party's nomination, both want to suspend the 18.4-cents-per-gallon federal gas tax during the peak summer driving months to ease the pain of soaring gas prices. The tax is used to fund the Highway Trust Fund that builds and maintains roads and bridges.

Economists said that since refineries cannot increase their supply of gasoline in the space of a few summer months, lower prices will just boost demand and the benefits will flow to oil companies, not consumers.

"You are just going to push up the price of gas by almost the size of the tax cut," said Eric Toder, a senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.

Obama criticized the plan as pure politics and said the only way to lower the price of gas is to use less oil.

"It would last for three months and it would save you on average half a tank of gas, $25 to $30. That's what Senator Clinton and Senator McCain are proposing to deal with the gas crisis," he said on Tuesday in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."

This stance has prompted Clinton to accuse him of being out of touch with ordinary Americans as she campaigns ahead of key presidential nomination contests in North Carolina and Indiana on May 6.

CLINTON AT THE PUMP

The New York senator was commuting to work in South Bend, Indiana, on Wednesday and planned to pump gas at a gas station to draw attention to her plan to suspend the gas tax on consumers and businesses.

"We will pay for it by imposing a windfall profits tax on the big oil companies," she said on Tuesday. "They sure can afford it. This is a big difference in this race. My opponent opposes giving consumers a break from the gas tax but I believe the American people are being squeezed pretty hard."

The cost of a gallon of gasoline has touched $4 in some parts of the country as oil prices nudge toward a record $120 per barrel, hammering drivers at a time when higher food prices and falling home values are already crimping U.S. consumers.

Many economists implicitly agreed with Obama and said the McCain-Clinton gas tax plan sent the wrong signal on energy efficiency and was at odds with their pledges to combat climate change by encouraging lower U.S. carbon emissions.

"I think it is a very bad idea," said Gilbert Metclaf, a economics professor at Tufts University currently working with the National Bureau of Economic Research.

"If we want people to invest in energy-saving cars, we need some assurance that the higher price paid for these cars is going to pay off through fuel savings," he said. "It is a very short-sighted, counterproductive proposal."

Economists also saw it is a poor way of getting money to the households that need it most and warned that it might end up in the cash tills of the oil companies.

"If you want to provide households tax relief, a direct rebate ... is more effective. Not all of the tax relief from a gas tax holiday will be passed on to consumers. Some will likely be kept by refiners," Mankiw said in an e-mail response.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was similarly underwhelmed: "It's Econ 101: the tax cut really goes to the oil companies," he wrote on his blog on Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080430/pl_nm/usa_politics_gastax_economists_dc;_ylt=As7jpWvP49U SRRW_KYxytVWs0NUE

sparks
04-30-2008, 10:07 AM
It's a bandaid. Why use a bandaid when a wound needs stitches?

issac the dragon
04-30-2008, 06:50 PM
It is worse than a bandaid. This idea is so stupid I can't believe one person would support it, never mind two. But one of them wants war forever and the other thinks she was in a war. Oh well.

Saguaro
04-30-2008, 06:57 PM
:lmao

Trueblue
04-30-2008, 07:47 PM
This is a really bad idea. Which means it will probably catch on.

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/04/30/reich_gas_tax_holiday

Lone Laugher
04-30-2008, 08:01 PM
Introducing PanderCo's Newest Sheeple Treat-----

The Gas Tax Holiday! Your sheeple will just love it! All you have to do is stand on a stage and yell TAX CUT! sheeple will come to you, tails wagging and sniff your ass! Works equally well for unimaginative Republicans and desperate Democrats.....get your media bump NOW!!!

John Gault
04-30-2008, 09:50 PM
by many economists

I am afraid I will need a little more detail than that.

Who are they, how many?

If that is the basis for this opinion piece, who cares.

John Gault
04-30-2008, 09:52 PM
This is a really bad idea. Which means it will probably catch on.

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/04/30/reich_gas_tax_holiday

You mean the economic guru of the lollipop guild thinks it is a bad idea. well that settles it.

please that guy would tax us into oblivian if given the chance.

Saguaro
04-30-2008, 10:00 PM
I am afraid I will need a little more detail than that.

Who are they, how many?

If that is the basis for this opinion piece, who cares.

Well DUH ,it is in the article. Not my fault if ya didn't read it

John Gault
04-30-2008, 10:05 PM
Well DUH ,it is in the article. Not my fault if ya didn't read it

Wow a couple of left leaning economists who are more afraid that the oil companies might increase profits.

Tell me something, how come you leftist only trot out supply and demand when you THINK it supports your argument?

Ever think that a poor family barely making it might be able to use the savings?

Yellowdogtexan
05-01-2008, 12:21 AM
Well DUH ,it is in the article. Not my fault if ya didn't read itYou got to be kidding. Expecting a conservative to read an article. Again, it is clear that no one who knows what they are talking about is in favor of the gas tax holiday. Neither clinton nor mccain have even tried to introduce a bill in Congress to accomplish this holiday because they know that it is such a stupid idea that they would be laughed at.

Yellowdogtexan
05-01-2008, 12:22 AM
This is a very good response ad by Senator Obama on this moronic plan by mclame and clinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQKYga6uMY We need to change how politics work to get to real solutions and not stupid bandaids like this gas tax holiday

Trueblue
05-01-2008, 05:53 AM
You mean the economic guru of the lollipop guild thinks it is a bad idea. well that settles it.

please that guy would tax us into oblivian if given the chance.

You're ignorant about Reich.

Yellowdogtexan
05-01-2008, 12:49 PM
Here is a good article on why this program is so stupid http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/30/AR2008043003575.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008050100090A growing chorus -- including a top congressional Democrat -- labeled Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's proposal for suspending the federal gasoline tax ineffective and shortsighted yesterday, even as she continued to paint Sen. Barack Obama as insensitive to drivers' woes for not endorsing the plan. ....

Backing up Obama's position against Clinton's proposal to suspend the 18.4-cent-per-gallon tax for the summer is a slew of economists who argue that the proposal, first offered by Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, would be counterproductive. They argue that cutting the tax would drive up demand for gas at a time when the supply is tight, which would mean that the price at the pump would drop by much less than 18 cents per gallon.

The tax suspension would, as a result, cut into the highway trust fund that the tax supports, a loss of about $9 billion over the summer, but also result in fatter profit margins for oil companies. Clinton says she would replace the lost revenue by raising taxes on the oil industry.

Harvard professor N. Gregory Mankiw, who has written a best-selling textbook on economics, said what he teaches is different from what Clinton and McCain are saying about gas taxes. "What you learn in Economics 101 is that if producers can't produce much more, when you cut the tax on that good the tax is kept . . . by the suppliers and is not passed on to consumers," he said. ....

Leonard Burman, director of the Tax Policy Center of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, said the laws of the market argue against a tax suspension. "Every summer, the refiners are running full out. If the price fell, people would want to drive more and there would be shortages," he said. "It's a basic economic principle that if the supply is fixed, the price is going to be determined by demand."

Joining in the criticism was House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), who said that the Democratic leadership of Congress has no intention of pursuing the summer tax suspension that Clinton touted. The move "would not be positive," he said. "The oil companies would just raise their prices."