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Wabash
04-28-2008, 09:13 PM
Supreme Court says states can demand photo ID for voting.

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer Mon Apr 28, 6:09 PM ET

WASHINGTON - States can require voters to produce photo identification, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, upholding a Republican-inspired law that Democrats say will keep some poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots.


Twenty-five states require some form of ID, and the court's 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana's strict voter ID law could encourage others to adopt their own measures. Oklahoma legislators said the decision should help them get a version approved.

The ruling means the ID requirement will be in effect for next week's presidential primary in Indiana, where a significant number of new voters are expected to turn out for the Democratic contest between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

The results could say something about the effect of the law, either because a large number of voters will lack identification and be forced to cast provisional ballots or because the number turns out to be small.

Supporters of the law say it's all about preventing fraud.

Indiana has a "valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" said Justice John Paul Stevens in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Stevens said that Indiana's desire to prevent fraud and to inspire voter confidence in the election system are important even though there have been no reports of the kind of fraud the law was designed to combat. Evidence of voters being inconvenienced by the law's requirements also is scant. For the overwhelming majority of voters, an Indiana driver's license serves as the identification.

The law does not apply to absentee balloting, where election experts agree the threat of fraud is higher.

The Indiana law was passed in 2005. Democrats and civil rights groups opposed it as unconstitutional and called it a thinly veiled effort to discourage groups of voters who tend to prefer Democrats.

It was in effect during the 2006 elections when Democrats picked up three congressional seats in Indiana and won control of the state House of Representatives.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome Monday, but wrote separately in favor of a broader defense of voter ID laws.

"The universally applicable requirements of Indiana's voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting,'" Scalia said.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.

Indiana's voter ID law "threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state's citizens," Souter said.

The targets of the law, he said, are "voters who are poor and old."

Yet Stevens wrote that the law does not single out groups of voters for different treatment. "We cannot conclude that the statute imposes 'excessively burdensome requirements' on any class of voters," he said. That opinion suggested the outcome could be different in a state where voters could provide evidence that their rights had been impaired.

Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.

Stevens said these provisions also help reduce the burden on people who lack driver's licenses.

Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita, a Republican, praised the decision. "This says to the voter you can have confidence again in the elections because we're doing some of the things the guy at the video store does when you go and rent a video," Rokita said.

Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said the court was willing to burden "tens of thousands of eligible voters who lack a government-issued identification while accepting at face value Indiana's unsubstantiated claim of voter fraud." The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

The proliferation of voter ID laws followed the enactment in 2002 of the federal Help America Vote Act. The law was designed in response to the disputed 2000 presidential election. The law's voter ID provisions apply to first-time voters and do not mandate photo identification.

Many Democrats criticized the ruling Monday. It places "an unnecessary burden on elderly and low-income voters, not to mention other voters of disparate racial and ethnic backgrounds," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Mary Wilson, president of the League of Women Voters, said her group has never found a problem with in-person voter fraud. "We'd be the first ones out there to prevent voter fraud, if there really was a problem," she said.

Several critics pointed to a footnote in Stevens' opinion to show how far back he went — 140 years — to describe the corrosive effects of widespread fraud at polling places, a reference to Boss Tweed's influence in New York's municipal elections in 1868.

Republicans, meanwhile, praised the decision for recognizing the threat of voter fraud. "Today's ruling rightfully allows states to safeguard against such destructive abuse," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio.

In Oklahoma, Republican legislators said the ruling should help them pass a less-stringent voter ID bill. The Oklahoma House has approved legislation to require voters to present some form of identification — including a utility bill or bank statement. The measure faces a final vote by the state Senate.

Monday's case was the court's first significant foray into election law since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush. The voter ID ruling, with no majority opinion and four of the nine justices writing, lacked the conservative-liberal split that marked the 2000 case.

The consolidated cases are Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 07-21, and Indiana Democratic Party v. Rokita, 07-25.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_voter_id

Trueblue
04-29-2008, 05:39 AM
We'll see what happens after this is in place for a while.

Ringo
04-29-2008, 06:12 AM
We'll see what happens after this is in place for a while.

Why YOUR criminal Progressives have a way around this or something? I suspect all the American Judges on the SC, wish to restore some dignity to the Voting Process, by eliminating Illegal Aliens, Criminals, Dead people, dogs, and other Dem Voters!! I see the Commie Ginsberg and her two little Liberal Sheep dissented as usual as it fucks up her and the ACLU's plan for CONTROL a little longer!! To bad the worthless Clinton bitch appointee, didn't dissent on the Eminent Domain ruling, where she voted along Communist lines to snatch away your property!!!

Oh on your disenfranshised argument, I don't give a fuck, if you are not a Citizen, can't read or write English, or a Criminal, YOU DON'T VOTE!!! Should have this rule for Liberals too, to avoid the truly STUPID Vote!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw

Trueblue
04-29-2008, 06:18 AM
They had to go back over a hundred years to justify this requirement.

If voters are disenfranchised by this ruling, they can file suit and the court may reconsider.

I think that felons should have their voting rights restored after a period of time.

I certainly don't want any non-citizens to vote.

Oceanbreeze
04-29-2008, 08:07 AM
They had to go back over a hundred years to justify this requirement.

If voters are disenfranchised by this ruling, they can file suit and the court may reconsider.

I think that felons should have their voting rights restored after a period of time.
I certainly don't want any non-citizens to vote.

When felons have destroyed society, they have lost their rights to vote.

Saguaro
04-29-2008, 08:11 AM
They are punishing people who are too old or too poor to afford yet another gov ID program .This just stinks

Wabash
04-29-2008, 11:34 AM
Why YOUR criminal Progressives have a way around this or something? I suspect all the American Judges on the SC, wish to restore some dignity to the Voting Process, by eliminating Illegal Aliens, Criminals, Dead people, dogs, and other Dem Voters!! I see the Commie Ginsberg and her two little Liberal Sheep dissented as usual as it fucks up her and the ACLU's plan for CONTROL a little longer!! To bad the worthless Clinton bitch appointee, didn't dissent on the Eminent Domain ruling, where she voted along Communist lines to snatch away your property!!!

Oh on your disenfranshised argument, I don't give a fuck, if you are not a Citizen, can't read or write English, or a Criminal, YOU DON'T VOTE!!! Should have this rule for Liberals too, to avoid the truly STUPID Vote!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw

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They had to go back over a hundred years to justify this requirement.

If voters are disenfranchised by this ruling, they can file suit and the court may reconsider.

I think that felons should have their voting rights restored after a period of time.

I certainly don't want any non-citizens to vote.
Felons? WTF! Pie in the Sky !

When felons have destroyed society, they have lost their rights to vote.
Exactly!

They are punishing people who are too old or too poor to afford yet another gov ID program .This just stinks
WTF? How hard or expensive is it to get ID? How come everyone doesn't have ID in the first place....from as far back as their teenage or young adulthood? It's really not that big a deal to obtain ID......just another lame liberal excuse!

nixon
04-29-2008, 11:40 AM
When felons have destroyed society, they have lost their rights to vote.Bush and Cheney still vote. Does that apply to them?

April15
04-29-2008, 12:04 PM
When the state issues id cards for free then I agree that it is not an undue burdan or voter tax.

Wabash
04-29-2008, 12:07 PM
Bush and Cheney still vote. Does that apply to them?

Here's a clue nix...she is referring to "convicted" felons...not assumed to be felons by word of a liberal mouth!

When the state issues id cards for free then I agree that it is not an undue burdan or voter tax.
What do it for free? With whose tax money to pay for the DMV employees and the paper, plastic and machinery needed to do it???? Tell ya what April, why don't you see if the State of Ca. would certify you to do it and then you can make all of them you want out of your own fortune! What a nobel gesture...might even get some free ad space for your company!:LL

nixon
04-29-2008, 12:13 PM
Here's a clue nix...she is referring to "convicted" felons...not assumed to be felons by word of a liberal mouth!


What do it for free? With whose tax money to pay for the DMV employees and the paper, plastic and machinery needed to do it???? Tell ya what April, why don't you see if the State of Ca. would certify you to do it and then you can make all of them you want out of your own fortune!Assumed? Will Billy Boy Clinton still vote? And the Honorable Scooter Libby?

Lone Laugher
04-29-2008, 01:50 PM
So, Wabby...are you going to give credit where it is due in this case? Justice Stevens is widely considered the most LIBERAL of all current Supreme Court Justices. It was he who wrote the opinion. How in the fuck did that happen? You and your liberal activist judges!

For the record...since Indiana provides free photo ID to all of it's residents, I think this is OK. We should, however, make sure that voting gets easier ( i.e. polls open on weekends ).

Trueblue
04-29-2008, 05:12 PM
When felons have destroyed society, they have lost their rights to vote.

Felons includes a lot of nonviolent offenders, like people passing bad checks or selling pot. If felons are able to pay their debt through prison time and reintegrate with society, then they ought to have their rights restored, IMO.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48001-2004Jun16.html

Wabash
04-29-2008, 05:40 PM
Assumed? Will Billy Boy Clinton still vote? And the Honorable Scooter Libby?
Who cares!

So, Wabby...are you going to give credit where it is due in this case? Justice Stevens is widely considered the most LIBERAL of all current Supreme Court Justices. It was he who wrote the opinion. How in the fuck did that happen? You and your liberal activist judges!

For the record...since Indiana provides free photo ID to all of it's residents, I think this is OK. We should, however, make sure that voting gets easier ( i.e. polls open on weekends ).
Even Elmer Fudd got it right once in awhile! I can agree with liberals on certain topics and they agree with me too....it's not written in stone that we have to disagree on everything.

Felons includes a lot of nonviolent offenders, like people passing bad checks or selling pot. If felons are able to pay their debt through prison time and reintegrate with society, then they ought to have their rights restored, IMO.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48001-2004Jun16.html

I have to agree with you on this one...I've known hundreds of felons in my career that are basically pretty nice guys, just dumb at times. That probably describes a lot of the voting public...especially in Florida! If someone sponsored a law to reinstate voting rights for "certain felons" Wabby would not object!:tb

Trueblue
04-29-2008, 06:46 PM
Well I'm glad to hear that! If somebody wants to go to the trouble to vote, I think that they have turned their life in a better direction.

Saguaro
04-29-2008, 08:55 PM
Who cares!


Even Elmer Fudd got it right once in awhile! I can agree with liberals on certain topics and they agree with me too....it's not written in stone that we have to disagree on everything.



I have to agree with you on this one...I've known hundreds of felons in my career that are basically pretty nice guys, just dumb at times. That probably describes a lot of the voting public...especially in Florida! If someone sponsored a law to reinstate voting rights for "certain felons" Wabby would not object!:tb

:faint :thud

patriotsblade
04-29-2008, 10:19 PM
Even Elmer Fudd got it right once in awhile! I can agree with liberals on certain topics and they agree with me too....it's not written in stone that we have to disagree on everything.


Please enlighten me as to what 'topics' you agree with liberals on.

BartonX
04-29-2008, 11:11 PM
Bush and Cheney still vote. Does that apply to them?

Will you please listen up and pay attention for a change? She said "Felons", not "Saints", so clearly what she said did not pertain to admirable people like Bush and Cheney. It does however apply to the murderous Clinton and Gore types.

The only reservation I have about this I.D. system is I would prefer they take a red hot iron and brand their naked asses instead of another piece of plastic. :rofl

BartonX
04-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Please enlighten me as to what 'topics' you agree with liberals on.

"Enlighten" and "Liberal" are two terms that are so diametrically opposed it is futile to even consider your request as stated. Would you care to reword the question? :)

Wabash
04-30-2008, 12:05 PM
Please enlighten me as to what 'topics' you agree with liberals on.
Can't do it blade. You suffer from ELB and as Barton points out, it is an exercise in futility!
Here is a tip thou....read all my posts and you will find your answer.

"Enlighten" and "Liberal" are two terms that are so diametrically opposed it is futile to even consider your request as stated. Would you care to reword the question? :)
Exactly!