Jerremiah Wright

[Lone Laugher]

So....did all of the folks who claim Barack Obama is responsible for what Rev. Wright says watch the entire Press Club speech and Q&A today?

I just saw it and, as a thinking person who requires context before passing judgement, I think the guy is very much a patriotic American who seeks to call attention to some of the ills of this nation as a step in the process of helping to cure them.

He's a cocky, very animated and very sharp guy who is going to charm his way into a prominent national role once this election campaign is over. get used to the sight of him...he's isn't the type of guy to turn away from the spotlight.

[sparks]

So....did all of the folks who claim Barack Obama is responsible for what Rev. Wright says watch the entire Press Club speech and Q&A today?

I just saw it and, as a thinking person who requires context before passing judgement, I think the guy is very much a patriotic American who seeks to call attention to some of the ills of this nation as a step in the process of helping to cure them.

He's a cocky, very animated and very sharp guy who is going to charm his way into a prominent national role once this election campaign is over. get used to the sight of him...he's isn't the type of guy to turn away from the spotlight.

I didn't see the press club speech, but I saw his address to the NAACP in Michigan that was aired on CNN last night. He is very charismatic! He has an appeal! I can see why Obama stayed in his church for so long!

[issac the dragon]

Want a swift boat idea? Wright sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. The all important white-male vote is not going to be amused by Wright.

[Lone Laugher]

BS. I am a white male voter and I find Wright to be a non-issue when it comes to Obama. Wright is not running.

I am surprised that someone with a brain such as yourself is falling for this "guilt by association" tactic.

[Wabash]

Want a swift boat idea? Wright sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. The all important white-male vote is not going to be amused by Wright.
Exactly! What Wright said was Racist and Hate Speech, in context, out of context or underneath of context...it's Hate Speech and it's wrong... and it should not be uttered by a man of the cloth! The guy is admittedly an oddball...and it has to have an effect on Obie after staying with that church for 20 years.

BS. I am a white male voter and I find Wright to be a non-issue when it comes to Obama. Wright is not running.

I am surprised that someone with a brain such as yourself is falling for this "guilt by association" tactic.
Ya, but you are apparently as far Left as most can go! Therefore, not a true example of a white male voter! That ad in NC is a good one and is now spreading to other States! McCain is an idiot going after his own party and giving the Demos a pass most of the time. McCain is a Stooge! So my vote, once again, has to be the lesser of two evils.....very possibly, with Operation Chaos in full swing, Hillary may get the nomination.

[sparks]

Want a swift boat idea? Wright sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. The all important white-male vote is not going to be amused by Wright.


Talk about things coming full circle! Lincoln freeing the slaves to a black pastor activist sleeping in his bedroom! I say go for it! :rofl

Could be cathartic! :rofl

[Wabash]

You are just too goofy to have a conversation with tonight!

:rofl:rofl

[patriotsblade]

BS. I am a white male voter and I find Wright to be a non-issue when it comes to Obama. Wright is not running.

I am surprised that someone with a brain such as yourself is falling for this "guilt by association" tactic.

Exactly, I fit perfectly into the demographic that Obama is allegedly having so much trouble with and I support him completely.

[Wabash]

Exactly, I fit perfectly into the demographic that Obama is allegedly having so much trouble with and I support him completely.

You libs are molded to the Max!

[sparks]

You are just too goofy to have a conversation with tonight!

:rofl:rofl

Moi??!?!???? Never! And always! :rofl

[Trueblue]

Exactly! What Wright said was Racist and Hate Speech, in context, out of context or underneath of context...it's Hate Speech and it's wrong... and it should not be uttered by a man of the cloth! The guy is admittedly an oddball...and it has to have an effect on Obie after staying with that church for 20 years.

You are completely clueless about Wright, you are listening to Rush attack him by taking his words out of context.

As for the white male vote, my husband, sons, brother, and brothers-in-law voted for Obama.

[sparks]

You are completely clueless about Wright, you are listening to Rush attack him by taking his words out of context.

As for the white male vote, my husband, sons, brother, and brothers-in-law voted for Obama.

Upscale whites seem to favor Obama. It's the high school dropouts who have issues with Obama.

Obama owes his victories throughout the nomination battle to African-Americans, young voters, upscale whites and independent voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/25/campaign.wrap/index.html#cnnSTCText

[Lone Laugher]

There is a vast sea of white people who are neither high school dropouts nor upscale. I am one of these.

[Lone Laugher]

And I find it odd that some people on here have such a hard time dealing with what they perceive to be hate speech. Are we trying to redefine the term hypocrite?

[Ringo]

Want a swift boat idea? Wright sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. The all important white-male vote is not going to be amused by Wright.

Neither will the DECENT White-Female Vote, but of course the REST of you like loud mouthed blowhard Anti-American pricks like this, so follow this useless America Hating Prick and his BOY if you wish!!

[Ringo]

Upscale whites seem to favor Obama. It's the high school dropouts who have issues with Obama.



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/25/campaign.wrap/index.html#cnnSTCText


The term African American slays me, as there are so very few in America and most of them WORK, are good Citizens and ignore the black trash that shoot of their mouths, run drugs, shoot innocentr kids Gangsta style, while their Illigits line up at the Entitlement window!!

You have Black-New Yorkers
Black-Californians
Black-Nebraskans
Black-Texans etc...but DAMNED few African Americans, as MOST of the Blacks for several generations have been born right here!!

Gosh I wonder how the Irish-American, German-American, Swedish-American, Japanese-American or American Indian-Indian Vote will go?

We some how have been led to believe that African American is so damned important, while they are PHONIES, from inner city America!!!:sheep:mw:sheep:mw

[Lone Laugher]

Nobody has proved that Rev. Wright is anti-American. If you have not read the entire text of the controversial sermons or watched his recent appearances IN FULL...you have no understanding of the facts in the matter.

I think that most of the members of this forum are able to discern facts from spin...and in the spirit of "debate" sometimes ignore the facts in favor of taking the opposing view.

But...for people who have yet to see any of these wild sound bites in full context to continue to make their false assumptions leads one to believe that they may not care about knowing the facts. That may be worse.

[sparks]

The term African American slays me, as there are so very few in America and most of them WORK, are good Citizens and ignore the black trash that shoot of their mouths, run drugs, shoot innocentr kids Gangsta style, while their Illigits line up at the Entitlement window!!

You have Black-New Yorkers
Black-Californians
Black-Nebraskans
Black-Texans etc...but DAMNED few African Americans, as MOST of the Blacks for several generations have been born right here!!

Gosh I wonder how the Irish-American, German-American, Swedish-American, Japanese-American or American Indian-Indian Vote will go?

We some how have been led to believe that African American is so damned important, while they are PHONIES, from inner city America!!!:sheep:mw:sheep:mw


So the term "African American" is too radical for you to put your head around?

[Wabash]

You are completely clueless about Wright, you are listening to Rush attack him by taking his words out of context.

As for the white male vote, my husband, sons, brother, and brothers-in-law voted for Obama.
Well, I see that vote and raise you one! My wife, 4 sons, son in law and 3 best friends will all vote against Obie...canceling out all your votes!:rooster

Nobody has proved that Rev. Wright is anti-American. If you have not read the entire text of the controversial sermons or watched his recent appearances IN FULL...you have no understanding of the facts in the matter.
I understand something LL, that Wright will sink Obie!

I think that most of the members of this forum are able to discern facts from spin...and in the spirit of "debate" sometimes ignore the facts in favor of taking the opposing view. Too funny...you can believe the spin from Obie and say this with a straight face?

But...for people who have yet to see any of these wild sound bites in full context to continue to make their false assumptions leads one to believe that they may not care about knowing the facts. That may be worse.
The damage is already done LL....you can defend these 3 Racist cocksuckers all you want to...but it speaks volumns about your character!

So the term "African American" is too radical for you to put your head around?
It's an overused ruse to gain sympathy for a race of people that commit the majority of crimes in America and are on the Public Dole. Ringo has it right!

[Ringo]

You are completely clueless about Wright, you are listening to Rush attack him by taking his words out of context.

As for the white male vote, my husband, sons, brother, and brothers-in-law voted for Obama.

EEEEKKKK!!!....AGHAST!!!!!!!! The male Sheep of the TB communal Family voting for a worthless Liberal Progressive Socialist!!!!!!!! Wow I bet The Tennesseean covered this story of the Osmond family going to the Polls all dressed alike!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw

[Lone Laugher]

Wabby.....you really want to talk about character?

[Lone Laugher]

"It's an overused ruse to gain sympathy for a race of people that commit the majority of crimes in America and are on the Public Dole. Ringo has it right!"....Wabby

Nah...not a racist bone in your body there Wabby.

[Trueblue]

Well, I see that vote and raise you one! My wife, 4 sons, son in law and 3 best friends will all vote against Obie...canceling out all your votes!:rooster

That's not the point. I didn't say that all white men voted for Obama. The claim was that white males wouldn't vote for Obama, and it's a ridiculous claim.

[Wabash]

And I find it odd that some people on here have such a hard time dealing with what they perceive to be hate speech. Are we trying to redefine the term hypocrite?
Odd? You are using the O word ...you of all people?

EEEEKKKK!!!....AGHAST!!!!!!!! The male Sheep of the TB communal Family voting for a worthless Liberal Progressive Socialist!!!!!!!! Wow I bet The Tennesseean covered this story of the Osmond family going to the Polls all dressed alike!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Wabby.....you really want to talk about character?
What are you implying?

"It's an overused ruse to gain sympathy for a race of people that commit the majority of crimes in America and are on the Public Dole. Ringo has it right!"....Wabby

Nah...not a racist bone in your body there Wabby.
My bones have nothing to do with it LL....my mind knows of what I speak and I speak the TRUTH and the Facts!

That's not the point. I didn't say that all white men voted for Obama. The claim was that white males wouldn't vote for Obama, and it's a ridiculous claim.
No respecting white male would vote for Obie....not because of his skin color, but because of his racist, liberal fucked up views!

[Trueblue]

No respecting white male would vote for Obie....not because of his skin color, but because of his racist, liberal fucked up views!

Wrong, as usual.

[Lone Laugher]

Please provide evidence that Barack Obama is racist.

[Lone Laugher]

What are you implying?

I am not implying anything. You questioned my character. I do not think you should be questioning anyone's character, not to mention mine.

[Saguaro]

EEEEKKKK!!!....AGHAST!!!!!!!! The male Sheep of the TB communal Family voting for a worthless Liberal Progressive Socialist!!!!!!!! Wow I bet The Tennesseean covered this story of the Osmond family going to the Polls all dressed alike!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw

Enough with the insults :nono

[Indy]

So....did all of the folks who claim Barack Obama is responsible for what Rev. Wright says watch the entire Press Club speech and Q&A today?

I just saw it and, as a thinking person who requires context before passing judgement, I think the guy is very much a patriotic American who seeks to call attention to some of the ills of this nation as a step in the process of helping to cure them.

He's a cocky, very animated and very sharp guy who is going to charm his way into a prominent national role once this election campaign is over. get used to the sight of him...he's isn't the type of guy to turn away from the spotlight.

I didn't see the Press Club speech but I did view his interview on PBS and I concur with your opinion. I don't agree with all of the exagerated rhetoric Wright spews but I do find truth in some of it when taken in context.

BS. I am a white male voter and I find Wright to be a non-issue when it comes to Obama. Wright is not running.

I am surprised that someone with a brain such as yourself is falling for this "guilt by association" tactic.

Yep. You are spot on with your first paragraph.

You libs are molded to the Max!

Don't you talk about my Max like that. :no

Upscale whites seem to favor Obama. It's the high school dropouts who have issues with Obama.



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/25/campaign.wrap/index.html#cnnSTCText

Yes, this has been my observation.

The term African American slays me...

Is that you snapper? :LL

[Wabash]

Wrong, as usual.
On what...Obie or white voters?

Please provide evidence that Barack Obama is racist.
I don't have to, Obie does it all by himself....just listen to him sometimes...

What are you implying?

I am not implying anything. You questioned my character. I do not think you should be questioning anyone's character, not to mention mine.
Why not?

[Lone Laugher]

Uh...because your character is highly questionable, that's why.

[Wabash]

Uh...because your character is highly questionable, that's why.

Ok, that's where I thought you were going with this! I submit that my character is no more in question than anyone else's on this board... I think the same thing about you all the time....

[Lone Laugher]

Well...I suppose there will now be a flurry of posts coming to your defense, right? Hardly. You rank low among the members of this forum when it comes to this subject.

[Wabash]

Now...back on topic.......

Obama's Rev. Wright Mythology

Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:33 PM

By: Ronald Kessler

In his speech on race, Barack Obama tried to explain away his longtime minister’s denunciations of America by saying that for blacks of his generation, memories of “humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away.”

But an examination by Newsmax of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.’s background reveals that Obama’s characterization of his upbringing is mythology.

Described by Obama as his sounding board and mentor for more than two decades, Wright was born in Philadelphia in 1941. He lived in a racially mixed section called Germantown, which consisted of homes on broad tree-lined streets in northwest Philadelphia. The owners then were middle-class families.

For 62 years, Wright’s father, the Rev. Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, was pastor at Grace Baptist Church of Germantown. He was one of the first blacks to receive a degree from the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia.

Wright’s mother, Mary Elizabeth Henderson Wright, was a schoolteacher. She was the first black to teach an academic subject at Roosevelt Junior High, the first to teach at Germantown High, and the first to teach at the Philadelphia High School for Girls. She became vice principal of Girls High in 1968.

Rather than attend the more racially mixed Germantown High School at 40 East High St., Wright traveled a few miles to the elite Central High School at 1700 West Olney Ave., graduating in 1959. Opened in 1838, Central High has a distinguished past and admits only highly-qualified applicants who are privileged to attend from all over the city. It is comparable to the Bronx High School of Science and Boston Latin School, both public schools known for academic excellence.

When Wright attended Central High, the student body was 90 percent white, according to students who attended around the same time. At least three-quarters of the students were Jewish. Former students of the period say racial tension did not exist.

Bill Cosby, who attended the school until transferring to Germantown High, has referred to Central as a “wonderful” school. In contrast to Wright, Cosby has denounced blacks who take refuge in self-pitying victimhood and seek to blame whites for problems in the black community.

“Central High was a marvelous academic environment,” says Tod Mammuth, who graduated in 1965 and is now a Philadelphia-area lawyer. “You had to have high academic credentials to be accepted and a high IQ score. Many later said it was more rigorous than college. We had no racial friction.”

In college, “I was so far advanced from the normal kids, it was almost unbelievable,” says H. Yale Gutnick, who graduated from Central High in 1960 and is a Pittsburgh lawyer. “In my freshman year, I didn’t have to do anything. I had already read most of what we had to read in English class, and I was equally advanced in the other academic areas.”

The 211th class yearbook described Wright as a respected member of the class.

“Always ready with a kind word, Jerry is one of the most congenial members of the 211,” the yearbook said. “His record in Central is a model for lower class [younger] members to emulate.”

Saying Wright can be compared to the school handbook’s description of “an educated man,” the description said Wright was “the epitome of what Central endeavors to imbue in its students.”

Next to a photo of Wright wearing black-rimmed glasses, the yearbook listed seven extra-curricular activities, including junior varsity football, band, school orchestra, and swing band.

In contrast to Wright’s comfortable upbringing, Morton A. Klein, who also attended Central High around the same time, lived in a poor, virtually all-black section called West Oak Lane.

“Four times a year, we would go to get big boxes of used clothing that was our wardrobe for the year. I never resented it. I was thrilled with my clothes,” says Klein, who was an economist in the Nixon, Ford, and Carter administrations and is now president of the Zionist Organization of America.

“We never went out to eat,” says Klein. “We had no car. We did not go to summer camp or take vacations. I had dozens of black friends. We played in the street every day. I remember my childhood as wonderful, and it certainly did not breed hatred of America. I loved America.”

In contrast, the man Obama describes as being like an uncle has blamed America and whites for starting the AIDS virus to kill off blacks, training professional killers, importing drugs, and creating a racist society to oppress blacks.

“The government gives them drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, not ‘God Bless America’ — God damn America,” Wright has said.

In a similar vein, Michelle Obama has said she is proud of America for the first time. Last week, Obama said Americans in small towns are “bitter” and cling in frustration to “guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them...”

In his speech on race, Obama sought to evoke sympathy for Wright. He described a “lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family...”

Obama said this was “the reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted....Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Rev. Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years.” Here is where Obie lies and lies BIG!

In retirement, Wright will continue a life of privilege that dates back to Central High. As a retirement gift, Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ is building him a million-dollar home abutting Odyssey Country Club and Golf Course in the nearly all-white Chicago suburb of Tinley Park. The home sits on land the pastor purchased in 2004 for $345,000. In December 2006, Wright sold the land to his church, which took out a $1.6 million mortgage on the property. In April 2007, the church applied for a building permit for the brick and stone structure.

Wright’s new home has 10,340 square feet of space, about four times the size of a typical suburban house. It includes four bedrooms, an elevator, an exercise room, and a four-car garage.

Rather than being a victim of oppression of blacks, as Obama has claimed, Wright is a symbol of the American dream. Rather than meriting sympathy, he exemplifies what my friend Fox News contributor Juan Williams describes as black leaders who orchestrate support for themselves by manipulating blacks into seeing themselves as victims, creating a black “culture of failure.”

Obama’s attempt to excuse Wright’s hate-America rhetoric by deceptively describing his personal history and his failure to condemn him as a bigot speak volumes about the candidate’s own character and fitness to lead the country.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_pastor/2008/04/13/87617.html

[Wabash]

Well...I suppose there will now be a flurry of posts coming to your defense, right? Hardly. You rank low among the members of this forum when it comes to this subject.

Ya...but look who's doing the judging! I think you and many members here are total nutjobs! That's my view of most liberals! I have seen exceptions..

[Wabash]

The foregoing about the hypocrites that Wright and Obie really are.... is graphic! Vicariously, anyone believing that these two Bozos are full of stellar character, are suspect in their own character!
Ok LL...get my point?

[Trueblue]

Now...back on topic.......

Obama's Rev. Wright Mythology

Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:33 PM

By: Ronald Kessler

In his speech on race, Barack Obama tried to explain away his longtime minister’s denunciations of America by saying that for blacks of his generation, memories of “humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away.”

But an examination by Newsmax of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.’s background reveals that Obama’s characterization of his upbringing is mythology.

Described by Obama as his sounding board and mentor for more than two decades, Wright was born in Philadelphia in 1941. He lived in a racially mixed section called Germantown, which consisted of homes on broad tree-lined streets in northwest Philadelphia. The owners then were middle-class families.

For 62 years, Wright’s father, the Rev. Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, was pastor at Grace Baptist Church of Germantown. He was one of the first blacks to receive a degree from the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia.

Wright’s mother, Mary Elizabeth Henderson Wright, was a schoolteacher. She was the first black to teach an academic subject at Roosevelt Junior High, the first to teach at Germantown High, and the first to teach at the Philadelphia High School for Girls. She became vice principal of Girls High in 1968.

Rather than attend the more racially mixed Germantown High School at 40 East High St., Wright traveled a few miles to the elite Central High School at 1700 West Olney Ave., graduating in 1959. Opened in 1838, Central High has a distinguished past and admits only highly-qualified applicants who are privileged to attend from all over the city. It is comparable to the Bronx High School of Science and Boston Latin School, both public schools known for academic excellence.

When Wright attended Central High, the student body was 90 percent white, according to students who attended around the same time. At least three-quarters of the students were Jewish. Former students of the period say racial tension did not exist.

Bill Cosby, who attended the school until transferring to Germantown High, has referred to Central as a “wonderful” school. In contrast to Wright, Cosby has denounced blacks who take refuge in self-pitying victimhood and seek to blame whites for problems in the black community.

“Central High was a marvelous academic environment,” says Tod Mammuth, who graduated in 1965 and is now a Philadelphia-area lawyer. “You had to have high academic credentials to be accepted and a high IQ score. Many later said it was more rigorous than college. We had no racial friction.”

In college, “I was so far advanced from the normal kids, it was almost unbelievable,” says H. Yale Gutnick, who graduated from Central High in 1960 and is a Pittsburgh lawyer. “In my freshman year, I didn’t have to do anything. I had already read most of what we had to read in English class, and I was equally advanced in the other academic areas.”

The 211th class yearbook described Wright as a respected member of the class.

“Always ready with a kind word, Jerry is one of the most congenial members of the 211,” the yearbook said. “His record in Central is a model for lower class [younger] members to emulate.”

Saying Wright can be compared to the school handbook’s description of “an educated man,” the description said Wright was “the epitome of what Central endeavors to imbue in its students.”

Next to a photo of Wright wearing black-rimmed glasses, the yearbook listed seven extra-curricular activities, including junior varsity football, band, school orchestra, and swing band.

In contrast to Wright’s comfortable upbringing, Morton A. Klein, who also attended Central High around the same time, lived in a poor, virtually all-black section called West Oak Lane.

“Four times a year, we would go to get big boxes of used clothing that was our wardrobe for the year. I never resented it. I was thrilled with my clothes,” says Klein, who was an economist in the Nixon, Ford, and Carter administrations and is now president of the Zionist Organization of America.

“We never went out to eat,” says Klein. “We had no car. We did not go to summer camp or take vacations. I had dozens of black friends. We played in the street every day. I remember my childhood as wonderful, and it certainly did not breed hatred of America. I loved America.”

In contrast, the man Obama describes as being like an uncle has blamed America and whites for starting the AIDS virus to kill off blacks, training professional killers, importing drugs, and creating a racist society to oppress blacks.

“The government gives them drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, not ‘God Bless America’ — God damn America,” Wright has said.

In a similar vein, Michelle Obama has said she is proud of America for the first time. Last week, Obama said Americans in small towns are “bitter” and cling in frustration to “guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them...”

In his speech on race, Obama sought to evoke sympathy for Wright. He described a “lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family...”

Obama said this was “the reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted....Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Rev. Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years.” Here is where Obie lies and lies BIG!

In retirement, Wright will continue a life of privilege that dates back to Central High. As a retirement gift, Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ is building him a million-dollar home abutting Odyssey Country Club and Golf Course in the nearly all-white Chicago suburb of Tinley Park. The home sits on land the pastor purchased in 2004 for $345,000. In December 2006, Wright sold the land to his church, which took out a $1.6 million mortgage on the property. In April 2007, the church applied for a building permit for the brick and stone structure.

Wright’s new home has 10,340 square feet of space, about four times the size of a typical suburban house. It includes four bedrooms, an elevator, an exercise room, and a four-car garage.

Rather than being a victim of oppression of blacks, as Obama has claimed, Wright is a symbol of the American dream. Rather than meriting sympathy, he exemplifies what my friend Fox News contributor Juan Williams describes as black leaders who orchestrate support for themselves by manipulating blacks into seeing themselves as victims, creating a black “culture of failure.”

Obama’s attempt to excuse Wright’s hate-America rhetoric by deceptively describing his personal history and his failure to condemn him as a bigot speak volumes about the candidate’s own character and fitness to lead the country.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_pastor/2008/04/13/87617.html

This attacks points not made. I ask again, do you buy this, or are you just trying to sell it to us? Do you realize that Obama was talking about the life of black people in the time that Wright was growing up, or do you actually think that Obama was claiming that Wright was poor today?

[Trueblue]

Obama said this was “the reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted....Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Rev. Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years.”

Tell me one false word in the above, Wabash.

[Wabash]

This attacks points not made. I ask again, do you buy this, or are you just trying to sell it to us? Do you realize that Obama was talking about the life of black people in the time that Wright was growing up, or do you actually think that Obama was claiming that Wright was poor today?
Sure I buy this!
Both Wright and Obie have lead people to believe that Wright was underprivileged or without and poor. Wright was blessed with good parents, a good intellect, and many amenities. Obie had experiences far greater than the avg. kid growing up. Yet, these two speak as thou the black man cannot make it because the white man is holding them down. Michelle Obama does the same thing. There is some truth to that, but certainly not to the degree that they proclaim. They have exaggerated the whole race thing...thereby making for racist speech and........Hate speech!

Tell me one false word in the above, Wabash.
About half of it! Many blacks have done very well, and like the testimonials in the article, race and discrimination were virtually non existent!

[Saguaro]

Oh Wabby, you did not live a black man's life in the 40,you have absolutely NO idea

[Wabash]

The thing is TB...last year and just a few months ago, Obie was praising the Rev. Today he launched him into outer space and tried all he could to distance himself. Anyone who has voted for Obie or is about to, is voting for a fraud, a racist and a liar! Amazing how many folks can be duped by a slickster! :LL

[Wabash]

John McCain may be a lot of things, but he is no worse than either of his opponents!

[Lone Laugher]

Newsmax. Even your sources are weak in character.

You think I am a nutjob? Really?

[Lone Laugher]

Sure I buy this!
Both Wright and Obie have lead people to believe that Wright was underprivileged or without and poor. Wright was blessed with good parents, a good intellect, and many amenities. Obie had experiences far greater than the avg. kid growing up. Yet, these two speak as thou the black man cannot make it because the white man is holding them down. Michelle Obama does the same thing. There is some truth to that, but certainly not to the degree that they proclaim. They have exaggerated the whole race thing...thereby making for racist speech and........Hate speech!


About half of it! Many blacks have done very well, and like the testimonials in the article, race and discrimination were virtually non existent!


You are simply fabricating now. Really...you are making an ass of yourself.

[Wabash]

Newsmax. Even your sources are weak in character.

You think I am a nutjob? Really?
Bullshit! They just report what others report or what they hear. I post what I hear and read! Actually, I think your are a nutjob, you don't do anything but criticize me on every post I make....sometimes in joke form or sometimes seriously, but to the same end!!!

You are simply fabricating now. Really...you are making an ass of yourself.
Fabricating my ass, you better go back and listen to wright and obie talk! Wright has become a Hate Monger and jealous of whites and obie has been supportive of that...until he threw Write under the train today! Gonna be interesting to see if Wright's ego gets the best of him and he turns on Obie!

[Wabash]

Bottom line here LL....Wright has hurt the obie campaign greatly....we will see what kind of fallout is to come....I'm Lovin it!

Obie has turned out to be just another run of the mill politician sounding slick at first, but the finish is wearing thin....he didn't sound so slick today! He sounded more like a hypocrite and a turncoat toward his..................MENTOR!

You can dissect the rhetoric or me all you want to LL....but the fact remains that the Obama camp is back peddling!

[Lone Laugher]

Wabby...do you really think that all I do is criticize you? You are way to self-involved. I invite you to review all of my posts. You will find that a small percentage of them are in reply to your posts.

I can understand why you might feel that way...since you hardly ever say anything that has any basis in fact. You rarely have an original thought and your low self esteem forces you to brag about yourself to the point of absurdity. I find those qualities to be easy prey and sometimes I just want to have some forum fun. I'd do it more often, but you are too easy and I like a challenge.

Newsmax is a joke of a website that is clearly slanted to the right. Every article in it is biased. Only biased readers will fail to realize this.

Now...for what seems like the umteenth time...please give us some proof that the Nation of Islam served as bodyguards for the Press Club event held on Monday.

[Wabash]

Wabby...do you really think that all I do is criticize you? You are way to self-involved. I invite you to review all of my posts. You will find that a small percentage of them are in reply to your posts.

I can understand why you might feel that way...since you hardly ever say anything that has any basis in fact. You rarely have an original thought and your low self esteem forces you to brag about yourself to the point of absurdity. I find those qualities to be easy prey and sometimes I just want to have some forum fun. I'd do it more often, but you are too easy and I like a challenge.

Newsmax is a joke of a website that is clearly slanted to the right. Every article in it is biased. Only biased readers will fail to realize this.

Now...for what seems like the umteenth time...please give us some proof that the Nation of Islam served as bodyguards for the Press Club event held on Monday.

No.

BTW, I wasn't referring to ALL your posts...just the ones directed at me. Low self esteem? Hardly! I don't brag about myself at all...just relating facts. I've never been a bragadsio and if you or anyone else thinks that i am...you are very wrong in your assessment!

[Lone Laugher]

Yeah...thought so. Did YOU make that up all by yourself....or did one of your "friends" e-mail that info to you?

Lame.

[Wabash]

Time for desert and NCIS on the West Coast...bye......

[Wabash]

Yeah...thought so. Did YOU make that up all by yourself....or did one of your "friends" e-mail that info to you?

Lame.

I fabricate nothing on this forum bozo! I told you before, I 'm not playing your stupid game....I know what I know and I passed it along, where I got the info is no one's business! I'm not about to divulge my source on that one...if you don't think it's factual...find out on your own...

[Lone Laugher]

Yes you do. You are responsible for making sure what you post is accurate. If you don't...and it turns out to be false...then you are the fabricator. This has happened to you too many times to count.

[Lone Laugher]

If the Nation of Islam was providing security for that event....don't you think Fox News would add this to the Obama slimefest? Hannity would cream his jeans if that were remotely true.

You have no evidence. You are full of shit.

[Ringo]

So the term "African American" is too radical for you to put your head around?

No Sparks I find the term Divisive, Sepratist, trying to form Nations within the Nation, from PEOPLE who have been BORN here and have NO ties to Africa at all!!

We were all sired from a Family Tree that goes back to Europe, Asia or Africa etc...but other than the RADICAL Mexican now & then, NO ONE calls themselves, their Ethnic Name and then American!!

You want to be African, GO BACK TO AFRICA, same with Mexicans, Chinese, Germans etc...You are AMERICAN ONLY when you reside here as CITIZENS!!!

[Lone Laugher]

No Sparks I find the term Divisive, Sepratist, trying to form Nations within the Nation, from PEOPLE who have been BORN here and have NO ties to Africa at all!!

We were all sired from a Family Tree that goes back to Europe, Asia or Africa etc...but other than the RADICAL Mexican now & then, NO ONE calls themselves, their Ethnic Name and then American!!

You want to be African, GO BACK TO AFRICA, same with Mexicans, Chinese, Germans etc...You are AMERICAN ONLY when you reside here as CITIZENS!!!

That should read Europe, Asia AND Africa.

One calling him or herself African-Anerican has absolutely no political basis, Ringo. As you know, one of the most positive things about our country is that its population is comprised of many ethnicities and backgrounds.

Saying that one is Italian-American, Irish-Anerican or African-American is a common practice that does not serve to exclude or divide. It is a respectful way to address a person/group of people in this very complex society that we live in.

[Ringo]

That should read Europe, Asia AND Africa.

One calling him or herself African-Anerican has absolutely no political basis, Ringo. As you know, one of the most positive things about our country is that its population is comprised of many ethnicities and backgrounds.

Saying that one is Italian-American, Irish-Anerican or African-American is a common practice that does not serve to exclude or divide. It is a respectful way to address a person/group of people in this very complex society that we live in.

No, the RESPECTFUL thing is to address them as Americans, as this is the Nation they live in as have several generations before them!

Hell yes its Political, its played to the hilt by Black leaders and their Politicians daily, for *SPECIAL TREATMENT*, Reparations, benefits, Legislation and apologies from modern day Whites for their ancestorial Slavery!!

Ask Obama who SOLD these slaves to Traders to be brought here to America, LONG before our Great Great Great Great, Grandpas were around!!

Always remember once you start into Modern America and the treatment of Blacks from say 1900 to 1968 or so, you will have to deal with Southern Democrats, like Faubus(Clinton's Hero), Al Gore Sr, Byrd, Wallace and others!! Of course Doggie weasles around and says these people are not part of the Liberal establisment, which is his way of LYING for them!! Oh yeah thats right, those Southern Dems are now the GOP, yeah thats the ticket, thats the DNC tripe!!!

Your Turn!

[Wabash]

That should read Europe, Asia AND Africa.

One calling him or herself African-Anerican has absolutely no political basis, Ringo. As you know, one of the most positive things about our country is that its population is comprised of many ethnicities and backgrounds.

Saying that one is Italian-American, Irish-Anerican or African-American is a common practice that does not serve to exclude or divide. It is a respectful way to address a person/group of people in this very complex society that we live in.

Bullshit! African Americans are the only ones that you hear anyone refer to in that manner!
I'm Italian American and German American by lineage, but neither I nor anyone in my family ever refers to anyone as such! Neither do all the people I've ever met in my life. What you said is nonsense! Ringo is correct!

[Wabash]

If the Nation of Islam was providing security for that event....don't you think Fox News would add this to the Obama slimefest? Hannity would cream his jeans if that were remotely true.

You have no evidence. You are full of shit.
No...I'm not LL...you are!

I guess those guys just missed it.......I don't speak for them. They were probably afraid to mention it. If they had, bozos like you would be raising hell over it! You would be calling them racist, biased, over the top or some other liberal assed bullshit!
Just because I won't divulge my source, doesn't mean it isn't true....it just galls your ass doesn't it?

[Lone Laugher]

You have no source. It is not true.

I heard some guy on SIRIUS RIGHT or the other morning as he was talking about the event live. He announced that he was informed that the security was sent by Luis Farrakhan. Moments later he retracted the statement saying that it was untrue and without basis in fact.

I suggest that you heard a similar comment from some show you listen to...only you missed the retraction. You are incredibly gullible.

[Lone Laugher]

Bullshit! African Americans are the only ones that you hear anyone refer to in that manner!
I'm Italian American and German American by lineage, but neither I nor anyone in my family ever refers to anyone as such! Neither do all the people I've ever met in my life. What you said is nonsense! Ringo is correct!

Well Wabby...you don't get out much do you? You know very little about the subject. Many people identify with their heritage...it is a good way to PRESERVE it. My father...a proud Italian-American...routinely attended functions held by the local Italian-American Club. Come out of your bubble.

http://www.niaf.org/
http://italian.about.com/library/blniahmspecial.htm
http://www.italianamericans.com/index.html
http://www.gspdx.com/
http://www.ffiac.com/northeast.htm
http://www.germanamericansociety.org/index.html
http://www.italianamericanclubofvenice.com/index.htm
http://www.italianstudies.org/iam/
http://www.italianamericanmuseum.org/exhibitions/index.htm
http://www.germanheritage.com/
http://www.germanamericansociety.org/index.html

NEED MORE? There are tons for every heritage you can think of. Please take this opportunity to broaden your horizons. I stopped at Italian and German because you might enjoy exploring your heritage.

[Wabash]

Well Wabby...you don't get out much do you? You know very little about the subject. Many people identify with their heritage...it is a good way to PRESERVE it. My father...a proud Italian-American...routinely attended functions held by the local Italian-American Club. Come out of your bubble.

http://www.niaf.org/
http://italian.about.com/library/blniahmspecial.htm
http://www.italianamericans.com/index.html
http://www.gspdx.com/
http://www.ffiac.com/northeast.htm
http://www.germanamericansociety.org/index.html
http://www.italianamericanclubofvenice.com/index.htm
http://www.italianstudies.org/iam/
http://www.italianamericanmuseum.org/exhibitions/index.htm
http://www.germanheritage.com/
http://www.germanamericansociety.org/index.html

NEED MORE? There are tons for every heritage you can think of. Please take this opportunity to broaden your horizons. I stopped at Italian and German because you might enjoy exploring your heritage.
All I'm saying is that from all the people that I have encountered in SF Bay Area(many Italians and Irish there), and all the people I have talked with in Oregon and all my relatives on the east coast......the actual term that we or I, or he or she, has never been designated as any of those you posted....sure they celebrate their heritage....but the blacks constantly refer to Afro America and so does the news...but they don't refer to others like that on a constant, regular basis!

Example: The news may do a story on someone of Irish or Italian or German descent in NY. They just do the story as a group of citizens in this or that community. But....if it's a story about blacks, it is worded as African Americans in that community.

[Wabash]

It is only done, day in and day out with the blacks....not all the others!

[Lone Laugher]

It is only done, day in and day out with the blacks....not all the others!

You are unbelievable. What happened to you as a child?

[Lone Laugher]

You probably think that the African-American community is responsible for the widespread use of the term. Did you ever think that it was the majority that made the decision to use it...it sort of trumps most of the alternatives that were in use before the civil rights movement.

[Ringo]

You probably think that the African-American community is responsible for the widespread use of the term. Did you ever think that it was the majority that made the decision to use it...it sort of trumps most of the alternatives that were in use before the civil rights movement.

OK I am Indian American where do I get my Special Treatment Card and my Reparations, my food stamps, housing help, utility help etc....as I am ENTITLED!!!!

Look into to that will ya Laugher, I can use the cash, I'm going to Vegas this weekend!!

[Lone Laugher]

I bet if you got some casino money for being part American Indian...you'd cash the check.

Your indictment of all African Americans as welfare recipients is insidious racism and is indicative of the real problem that minorities face in this country. You should know better.

[Wabash]

You probably think that the African-American community is responsible for the widespread use of the term. Did you ever think that it was the majority that made the decision to use it...it sort of trumps most of the alternatives that were in use before the civil rights movement.
Oh right...PC! Blacks works just fine!!! They call us Whitey...but you are fine with that and if they call us honkey...you are fine with that too huh? Ther is more racism from blaccks these days thatn from whites...I'm sick and tired of them using the "oppression card" .....we are holding them down right? Bullshit! A great majority of black males are worthless, lazy and abandon their families!

You are unbelievable. What happened to you as a child?

I was educated about the bullshit of liberals, but didn't get it until I was 26...that's when I woke up, changed parties and rail about all the entitlements!

I bet if you got some casino money for being part American Indian...you'd cash the check.

Your indictment of all African Americans as welfare recipients is insidious racism and is indicative of the real problem that minorities face in this country. You should know better.
I don't think he is including all of them....some are actually very intelligent and good honest people with a sense of humor....I used to know many of them and worked with many too...

[Lone Laugher]

Oh right...PC! Blacks works just fine!!! They call us Whitey...but you are fine with that and if they call us honkey...you are fine with that too huh? Ther is more racism from blaccks these days thatn from whites...I'm sick and tired of them using the "oppression card" .....we are holding them down right? Bullshit! A great majority of black males are worthless, lazy and abandon their families!


I was educated about the bullshit of liberals, but didn't get it until I was 26...that's when I woke up, changed parties and rail about all the entitlements!


I don't think he is including all of them....some are actually very intelligent and good honest people with a sense of humor ....I used to know many of them and worked with many too...



A sense of humor? What a fucking idiot. You are racist Wabby...embrace it.

[Wabash]

I greatly admire Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman, Dr. Walter Williams and Clarence Thomas...and many other hard working ...responsible blacks! Those that show respect for others and don't run around complaining about their plight and expect a handout all the time...Those are the DNC and Jesse Jackson crowd. Obama HAS done well with his life, I just don't think he is Presidential material....or put another way...I don't like his liberal views and agenda one damn bit!

[Lone Laugher]

Another racist comment. Keep them coming bigot.

[Wabash]

Another racist comment. Keep them coming bigot.

Racist? How about just plain honest, no nonsense dialogue?

[Lone Laugher]

Nope...clearly racist comments on your part. Not the first time. Won't be the last. It is who you are.

[Saguaro]

Ok guys, do I have to start deleting posts to stop the insults ?

[Lone Laugher]

Saguaro.....I believe that I have demonstrated an appropriate level of restraint in this and other recent threads. There are times when someone's claims and comments require a less than polite response.

You can move, edit or delete as you wish...but I will not sit idle as someone throws out lies, various forms of plagiarism, and personal assaults.....despite repeated requests for retractions, proof and/or clarification.

[Wabash]

You have no source. It is not true.

I heard some guy on SIRIUS RIGHT or the other morning as he was talking about the event live. He announced that he was informed that the security was sent by Luis Farrakhan. Moments later he retracted the statement saying that it was untrue and without basis in fact.

I suggest that you heard a similar comment from some show you listen to...only you missed the retraction. You are incredibly gullible.
It was sent by Farrakhan....the guy had it right...someone probably told him to shut up about it!

Ok guys, do I have to start deleting posts to stop the insults ?
I haven't insulted LL today! I've been very strightforward!

[Lone Laugher]

It was sent by Farrakhan....the guy had it right...someone probably told him to shut up about it!



Please...provide some proof. Any proof.

[Wabash]

Saguaro.....I believe that I have demonstrated an appropriate level of restraint in this and other recent threads. There are times when someone's claims and comments require a less than polite response.

You can move, edit or delete as you wish...but I will not sit idle as someone throws out lies, various forms of plagiarism, and personal assaults.....despite repeated requests for retractions, proof and/or clarification.

You can demand whatever you'd like...I do not have to honor your requests, nor will I! I have never plagiarized or lied about anything here...just because you refuse to believe certain things, for whatever reason, that's not my problem!
Maybe you are of a certain ethnic persuasion that takes offense easily? All I know is that you sure go on the defensive a lot here...

[Lone Laugher]

FORUM REQUEST:

I have exhausted all of my normal sources of info as i have searched for proof that the Nation of Islam provided security for the National Press Club event on Monday morning.

Can anyone else come up with any links to show that this happened? Anyone?

[Wabash]

Please...provide some proof. Any proof.

A contact that I have in the Secret Service, who used to go to school with me and went to work for another Federal agency before joining the Service last year. His brother and I were in the same class and he was 2 years behind us. He was going to retire and then had the opportunity to do this...so he opted to stay in...

[Lone Laugher]

You can demand whatever you'd like...I do not have to honor your requests, nor will I! I have never plagiarized or lied about anything here...just because you refuse to believe certain things, for whatever reason, that's not my problem!
Maybe you are of a certain ethnic persuasion that takes offense easily? All I know is that you sure go on the defensive a lot here...

Wabby...everyone here knows that you have plagiarized. Everyone knows that you have lied.

What ethnic persuasion takes offense easily? I'd like to know.

Trust me Wabby...there is no need to go on the defensive when it comes to you...you are what is known as a forum lightweight.

[Wabash]

Wabby...everyone here knows that you have plagiarized. Everyone knows that you have lied.

What ethnic persuasion takes offense easily? I'd like to know.

Trust me Wabby...there is no need to go on the defensive when it comes to you...you are what is known as a forum lightweight.

Boy....if I am that insignificant, you sure do spend a lot of time and considerable effort to argue with and insult me! Don't you have something better to do? Like polish your brass buttons or something...or take out the trash for the Mrs.

[Lone Laugher]

A contact that I have in the Secret Service, who used to go to school with me and went to work for another Federal agency before joining the Service last year. His brother and I were in the same class and he was 2 years behind us. He was going to retire and then had the opportunity to do this...so he opted to stay in...

And he told you that Louis Farrakhan provided the security for the Rev. Wright press conference on Monday morning? That is your idea of proof?

[Wabash]

And he told you that Louis Farrakhan provided the security for the Rev. Wright press conference on Monday morning? That is your idea of proof?

Yep! Works for me....but since you are such a asshole, it won't work for you and that is why I didn't even want to bother mentioning it!
Ok Sag...he forced me into insulting him! I'm guilty now!:LL

For somebody who thinks I'm a light weight, I sure seem to push a lot of your buttons...otherwise you wouldn't keep badgering me!

[Lone Laugher]

Boy....if I am that insignificant, you sure do spend a lot of time and considerable effort to argue with and insult me! Don't you have something better to do? Like polish your brass buttons or something...or take out the trash for the Mrs.

Well....I've had a rough week...and there you were making outrageous claims...and racist remarks. I decided to spend a little time messing with you. I am not expending much effort....as I said...you are an easy mark.

[Lone Laugher]

Yep! Works for me....but since you are such a asshole, it won't work for you and that is why I didn't even want to bother mentioning it!
Ok Sag...he forced me into insulting him! I'm guilty now!:LL

For somebody who thinks I'm a light weight, I sure seem to push a lot of your buttons...otherwise you wouldn't keep badgering me!

Works for you? That's nice...but it is not proof.

You are right about one thing...I am an asshole sometimes. I'm a good one, too.

You couldn't reach my buttons.

[Wabash]

Works for you? That's nice...but it is not proof.

You are right about one thing...I am an asshole sometimes. I'm a good one, too.

You couldn't reach my buttons.

I do all the time...you are just too egotistical to admit it!
I put up some good stuff here from time to time, I know because I get feedback about it....but, since you don't like what I have to say, you apparently regard everything I say as wrong, placing one of your many labels on my rhetoric.
From here on out, I will put you on mental ignore and not respond to your accustations which are unfounded anyway!

[Lone Laugher]

Oh nooooooooo! Please Wabby!! Don't ignore me!

[Trueblue]

I greatly admire Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman, Dr. Walter Williams and Clarence Thomas...and many other hard working ...responsible blacks! Those that show respect for others and don't run around complaining about their plight and expect a handout all the time...Those are the DNC and Jesse Jackson crowd. Obama HAS done well with his life, I just don't think he is Presidential material....or put another way...I don't like his liberal views and agenda one damn bit!

Bill Cosby and Jesse Jackson appeared together AFTER Cosby's remarks. The two of them are in agreement. I've said this before on forums, but very biased people tend to not notice facts that don't go along with their bias.

[Wabash]

Bill Cosby and Jesse Jackson appeared together AFTER Cosby's remarks. The two of them are in agreement. I've said this before on forums, but very biased people tend to not notice facts that don't go along with their bias.

I didn't see you post that, because a lot of times I leave the forum for other forums or other websites and miss stuff.....that's a good thing...maybe Jesse is mellowing out...huh?? I still don't trust him!

[Trueblue]

I didn't see you post that, because a lot of times I leave the forum for other forums or other websites and miss stuff.....that's a good thing...maybe Jesse is mellowing out...huh?? I still don't trust him!

It happened a long time ago, and I've been posting ever since, just about every time some rightie tries to tell me "Cosby good, Jackson bad".

[Wabash]

It happened a long time ago, and I've been posting ever since, just about every time some rightie tries to tell me "Cosby good, Jackson bad".

Well...this is the first time I've seen it :shrug2...thanks for the heads up..:thumbsup

[Trueblue]

You are welcome!

[John Gault]

So....did all of the folks who claim Barack Obama is responsible for what Rev. Wright says watch the entire Press Club speech and Q&A today?

I just saw it and, as a thinking person who requires context before passing judgement, I think the guy is very much a patriotic American who seeks to call attention to some of the ills of this nation as a step in the process of helping to cure them.

He's a cocky, very animated and very sharp guy who is going to charm his way into a prominent national role once this election campaign is over. get used to the sight of him...he's isn't the type of guy to turn away from the spotlight.

Well you sure got this one wrong. Obama has thrown him under the Bus since this one and basically said much of what he says is nuts.

If you think this guy is a patriot then you need to check your premises.

[John Gault]

Want a swift boat idea? Wright sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. The all important white-male vote is not going to be amused by Wright.

No one right of Mao or Marx will be amused by wright, including Obama.

[John Gault]

BS. I am a white male voter and I find Wright to be a non-issue when it comes to Obama. Wright is not running.

I am surprised that someone with a brain such as yourself is falling for this "guilt by association" tactic.

It is not guilt by association. It is a matter of judgement.

He sat in this guys church for 20 years and stayed even though this guy is obviously a socialist nutjob.

I saw a piece in the NY Times from before Obama announced, where Obama is told by Wright he may have to distance himself from him if he runs for president.

So he either believes as Wright and his other good friend Ayers do, or he ignored their anti-american leftist crap for political gain.

The only thing this does is make Obama just like any other politician doing what is neccessary to win.

He has tried to sell himself as something different and new. He is the same old as we now know.

[Saguaro]

You don't know a darn thing about Obama, it is VERY obvious

[John Gault]

Nobody has proved that Rev. Wright is anti-American. If you have not read the entire text of the controversial sermons or watched his recent appearances IN FULL...you have no understanding of the facts in the matter.

I think that most of the members of this forum are able to discern facts from spin...and in the spirit of "debate" sometimes ignore the facts in favor of taking the opposing view.

But...for people who have yet to see any of these wild sound bites in full context to continue to make their false assumptions leads one to believe that they may not care about knowing the facts. That may be worse.


I have watched it all, he is a socialist, which is as anti-american as you can get and anyone who actually believes the US government invented aides to kill people of color is just a plain old fashioned nut job and loon.

[John Gault]

EEEEKKKK!!!....AGHAST!!!!!!!! The male Sheep of the TB communal Family voting for a worthless Liberal Progressive Socialist!!!!!!!! Wow I bet The Tennesseean covered this story of the Osmond family going to the Polls all dressed alike!!!:tb:mw:mw:mw:mw

Well the good news is that they all live in TN and since the state will go for McCain they are wasted in light of the electoral college.

[John Gault]

That's not the point. I didn't say that all white men voted for Obama. The claim was that white males wouldn't vote for Obama, and it's a ridiculous claim.

Some white males will vote Obama, the far left men and those married to far left women who hope to not get into the doghouse will at least claim they did.

But there are large numbers of white democrats who claim to be progressive that will not vote for a black man for president. There are also plenty of rural democrat white males (and females) that won't vote for him for the same reason.

[John Gault]

Tell me one false word in the above, Wabash.

Wright did not grow up poor or in the south. In the north Segregation was no tthe law of the land.

Wright was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in a racially mixed section called Germantown.[7] His parents are Jeremiah Wright, Sr., a Baptist minister who pastored Grace Baptist Church in Germantown, Philadelphia from 1938 to 1980,[8] and Mary Elizabeth Henderson Wright, a school teacher who was the first black to teach an academic subject at Roosevelt Junior High. She went on to be the first black person to teach at Germantown High and Philadelphia High School, where she became the school's first black vice principal for girls.

Wright graduated from the Central High School of Philadelphia in 1959, among the best schools in the area at the time.[7] At the time, the school was around 90% white.[9] The 211th class yearbook described Wright as a respected member of the class. "Always ready with a kind word, Jerry is one of the most congenial members of the 211,” the yearbook said. “His record in Central is a model for lower class [younger] members to emulate."[7]

[John Gault]

Oh Wabby, you did not live a black man's life in the 40,you have absolutely NO idea

And you do?

[John Gault]

That should read Europe, Asia AND Africa.

One calling him or herself African-Anerican has absolutely no political basis, Ringo. As you know, one of the most positive things about our country is that its population is comprised of many ethnicities and backgrounds.

Saying that one is Italian-American, Irish-Anerican or African-American is a common practice that does not serve to exclude or divide. It is a respectful way to address a person/group of people in this very complex society that we live in.

Sorry but that is just not true. We are what we are in spite of our diversity not because of it.

We are great because of how we are able to deal with it instead of countries like the former yougoslavia or even in canda.

The problems in Africa and India and the Middle east are because they cannot deal with their diversity.

In the US it used to be a melting pot where all were welcome and all became a part of the whole.

Now it is like a salad where everyone stays what they are and no one new becomes American.

That will be our undoing.

[Saguaro]

And you do?

Just as much you do

[John Gault]

You don't know a darn thing about Obama, it is VERY obvious

Really? I have his website book marked. I have read all of his issues section, every bit of it.

I know the important stuff, his issue and how he stands on them. He is very far left, nearly socialist. His answer to every ill is a government program.

Sorry but I bet I know more about him on the issues than you do, see I actually read about all the candidates and make an informed decision. You should try it sometime.

I know thinking and analysis are hard, but it is worth the effort.

Here is his website, read what he says, then tell me he is not far left and tell me where we will get the money to pay for it all?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[Saguaro]

:roll

I am not going to get into you with this Cisco , I mean John

[John Gault]

Just as much you do

Lets see, I was in the first integrated schools in Orlando Fl in 1965.

In the 7th grade one of my best friends who used to come over to our apartment to hang out was a black kid, his name was George. That was 7th grade in 1967.

In college I played on a basketball team that was 80% black.

At Berry College in 1973 I joined members of the 'Black Students' union in going to a local skating rink that would not allow misxed couples to hold hands while skating. We decided since I was the biggest baddest whiteboy on campus that I would do the skating and hand holding. Debbie was great looking and had a huge Afro. They didn't say squat to me, we were hoping they would.

In the Army I hung out with the brothers instead of the whiteboys by choice. The brothers were muuch more fun to hang with back in the day.

I have been around and spent time with more black people than you ever will, I don't want to hear it from a lilly white lady of liesure.

[John Gault]

:roll

I am not going to get into you with this Cisco , I mean John

Of course your not, you can't deal in facts and reality, only your limited world of privledge that you did not earn yourself.

[Saguaro]

:lmao

[John Gault]

:roll

I am not going to get into you with this Cisco , I mean John

So tell me, have you read the issues page?

Do you know where he stands and how he proposes to pay for it all?

Or are you afraid to debate his merits on a factual basis and just judge him on speeches you hear?

[Saguaro]

I have met and talked to Obama

[BartonX]

I have met and talked to Obama

Oh Gawd, that must be a sickening feeling!

[Wabash]

I have met and talked to Obama

How does it feel to buy all that snake oil?

[Trueblue]

Okay, folks, either you agree with John, or you are a mean old bitch of one kind or another. Us mean women are so scary to people like John! :lmao

John won't vote for Obama because Obama might actually get our government to work, and that scares the crap out of him.

Hillary is more militaristic, but she is not more conservative in her approach to our nations' problems. McCain is simply addled on every topic of importance.

Obama is able to bring people together, he's intelligent, and he's fair. If George Bush had been any of those things, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now. Got that?

[sparks]

McCain is simply addled on every topic of importance.

Plus he has the speaking voice of a real weenie! :hotdog

:rofl

[Ringo]

:roll

I am not going to get into you with this Cisco , I mean John


Good thing, he was kicking your ass Sag, as he seems to do with ALL you Liberals, as beyond Cut & Pastes & Insults, you bring little to the table!!!

[Ringo]

Okay, folks, either you agree with John, or you are a mean old bitch of one kind or another. Us mean women are so scary to people like John! :lmao

John won't vote for Obama because Obama might actually get our government to work, and that scares the crap out of him.

Hillary is more militaristic, but she is not more conservative in her approach to our nations' problems. McCain is simply addled on every topic of importance.

Obama is able to bring people together, he's intelligent, and he's fair. If George Bush had been any of those things, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now. Got that?

Intelligent?? Do have a Harvard degree on your wall? Are YOU or anyone of one of Your Son's or Hubby checked out in Fighter Jets?? You want to kiss the ass ans do *OTHER* things to the Terrorists TB and Bush chooses to send them to hell for killing Americans!!!

Obama is no more than a fucking Liberal puppet, who talks a little clearer than those fucking Rap Heads, but beyond that what are his qualifications??

Your a LOSER and you back the Party of LOSERS, and I have yet to see John actually commit to a Vote, have you?? Hell maybe he is a Scoop Jackson Democrat, which is totally unfamiliar to YOUR Sodom & Gamorah Liberal socialist trash, you back!!:tb:nerd:mw:mw

[Wabash]

Okay, folks, either you agree with John, or you are a mean old bitch of one kind or another. Us mean women are so scary to people like John! :lmao

John won't vote for Obama because Obama might actually get our government to work, and that scares the crap out of him.

Hillary is more militaristic, but she is not more conservative in her approach to our nations' problems. McCain is simply addled on every topic of importance.

Obama is able to bring people together, he's intelligent, and he's fair. If George Bush had been any of those things, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now. Got that?
Well TB, as usual, you have it ass backwards...ALL of it!
I was going to say more, but I will defer to Ringo...he cut's to the chase!

Intelligent?? Do have a Harvard degree on your wall? Are YOU or anyone of one of Your Son's or Hubby checked out in Fighter Jets?? You want to kiss the ass ans do *OTHER* things to the Terrorists TB and Bush chooses to send them to hell for killing Americans!!!

Obama is no more than a fucking Liberal puppet, who talks a little clearer than those fucking Rap Heads, but beyond that what are his qualifications??

Your a LOSER and you back the Party of LOSERS, and I have yet to see John actually commit to a Vote, have you?? Hell maybe he is a Scoop Jackson Democrat, which is totally unfamiliar to YOUR Sodom & Gamorah Liberal socialist trash, you back!!:tb:nerd:mw:mw
You Da Man!

[Saguaro]

Good thing, he was kicking your ass Sag, as he seems to do with ALL you Liberals, as beyond Cut & Pastes & Insults, you bring little to the table!!!


I was too tired to debate last night.

As far as kicking me, this comes from you , so I am not surprised you took it that way.

[John Gault]

I have met and talked to Obama

have you read his issues page?

Unless you talked to him for 6 hours you don't know what he intends to do unless you have read what he says he intends to do.

Being star struck is not being informed.

[John Gault]

Okay, folks, either you agree with John, or you are a mean old bitch of one kind or another. Us mean women are so scary to people like John! :lmao

John won't vote for Obama because Obama might actually get our government to work, and that scares the crap out of him.

Hillary is more militaristic, but she is not more conservative in her approach to our nations' problems. McCain is simply addled on every topic of importance.

Obama is able to bring people together, he's intelligent, and he's fair. If George Bush had been any of those things, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now. Got that?


I won't vote for Obama because he is a typical big government tax and tax some more democrat.

It is simple, he is against everything I am for and for everything I am against.

The only thing I fear from Obama is that he gets elected and actually does do what he says he is going to do.

I just don't get it why women are always looking for a daddy to take care of everything for them. If Obama is elected it will be because of women and blacks voting for him. Same as Bill Clinton. You all want someone to pay the bills and provide a home for you.

PS - This does not mean every single woman in the US, it means the ones that are the way I described. If you are not looking for a daddy and if you have provided all you have for yourself, then that is not you. So save the complaints for someone who actually cares about them.

[John Gault]

Plus he has the speaking voice of a real weenie! :hotdog

:rofl

Did you ever listen to the voice of FDR? You should rally not be so shallow on how you pick a president.

[John Gault]

I was too tired to debate last night.

As far as kicking me, this comes from you , so I am not surprised you took it that way.

So have you read his issues page yet?

[Wabash]

Obie is a scary dude for sure, and as John said, Obie is against everything that I am, and for everything that I am not.
He is nothing but a socialist as is his wife. Some of you think things are bad now.....it will be much, much worse and it will cost all of us that work hard and saved, a lot more.
I don't like having to support leeches and Enviro Whackos.

Here is some Food for thought -- very deep thought. Does disaster come to mind?

“Whom will Obama believe and trust if he is the president? How will he judge an ally and an enemy? How will he staff a vast Executive Branch? Whom will he appoint to the Supreme Court and how will he judge their characters and their personal histories?... If he even figures out who the radicals are, will he have the courage to refuse them office or influence?” —Hugh Hewitt

[Saguaro]

May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Northwestern University withdrew an invitation for the Reverend Jeremiah Wright to receive an honorary degree at this year's commencement.

Wright, former pastor to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, was selected to be honored at the June ceremony in Evanston, Illinois, on the recommendation of faculty committees, Alan Cubbage, vice president for university relations, said in a statement.

``In light of the controversy around Dr. Wright and to ensure the celebratory character of commencement not be affected, the university has withdrawn its invitation to Dr. Wright,'' Cubbage said.

Obama, an Illinois senator, has repeatedly denounced Wright's statements, which have included praise for Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and a suggestion that the U.S. government was capable of developing AIDS to infect black people.

Wright's statements ``offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced and that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally today,'' Obama said in a news conference in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, on April 29.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080501/pl_bloomberg/axcinkuxnrh8;_ylt=AicqoRCONZADHQeurwv72Tqs0NUE

[Trueblue]

I won't vote for Obama because he is a typical big government tax and tax some more democrat.

It is simple, he is against everything I am for and for everything I am against.

The only thing I fear from Obama is that he gets elected and actually does do what he says he is going to do.

I just don't get it why women are always looking for a daddy to take care of everything for them. If Obama is elected it will be because of women and blacks voting for him. Same as Bill Clinton. You all want someone to pay the bills and provide a home for you.

PS - This does not mean every single woman in the US, it means the ones that are the way I described. If you are not looking for a daddy and if you have provided all you have for yourself, then that is not you. So save the complaints for someone who actually cares about them.

:rofl Your wife may be like that, but that doesn't mean that all women are.

[Lone Laugher]

I wonder if anyone has taken the time to research the "black vote" in the past two Presidential elections. If you do...you'll see that Obama can hardly improve on the record that the Democratic party has in this regard.

The "black vote" will not propel anyone to the White House. It requires some "honkeys" as well.

[Wabash]

Good for Northwestern!!:clap:clap:clap

C'mon TB...you know very well there are gals like that...I've met a couple...one of my Xs was that way.

[Trueblue]

Good for Northwestern!!:clap:clap:clap

C'mon TB...you know very well there are gals like that...I've met a couple...one of my Xs was that way.

Didn't say that there weren't. Just that all women aren't.

[Wabash]

Didn't say that there weren't. Just that all women aren't.

John made his disclaimer.............I got it!

[Lone Laugher]

Yo Wabby....your nose is gonna stay permanently brown if you don't pull it out of JG's ass pretty soon.

[John Gault]

:rofl Your wife may be like that, but that doesn't mean that all women are.

My wife had plenty when I met her. She continues to work because she enjoys it. She would be just fine financially if I left her. That is how it works best when you want to be there not have to be.

Is it your assertion that most women make enough on their own to support their current lifestyles?

Tell me, how many of the Fortune 400 are women that did not inherit their money?

I think it was 1 last time I looked and even she made her money in a company she and her husband started together.

PS - Opra is not in the top 400.

[Trueblue]

My wife had plenty when I met her. She continues to work because she enjoys it. She would be just fine financially if I left her. That is how it works best when you want to be there not have to be.

Is it your assertion that most women make enough on their own to support their current lifestyles?

Tell me, how many of the Fortune 400 are women that did not inherit their money?

I think it was 1 last time I looked and even she made her money in a company she and her husband started together.

PS - Opra is not in the top 400.

Pay attention. It is my assertion that you are projecting your problems with your wife onto the women who post here on this board.

[Trueblue]

Of course your not, you can't deal in facts and reality, only your limited world of privledge that you did not earn yourself.

Some white males will vote Obama, the far left men and those married to far left women who hope to not get into the doghouse will at least claim they did.

I just don't get it why women are always looking for a daddy to take care of everything for them. If Obama is elected it will be because of women and blacks voting for him. Same as Bill Clinton. You all want someone to pay the bills and provide a home for you.

PS - This does not mean every single woman in the US, it means the ones that are the way I described. If you are not looking for a daddy and if you have provided all you have for yourself, then that is not you. So save the complaints for someone who actually cares about them.

See what I mean?

[Ringo]

Pay attention. It is my assertion that you are projecting your problems with your wife onto the women who post here on this board.

He seems to me to be projecting the fact HIS WIFE has no problems, needs NO keepers, needs no Fat Al or Black Muslim idiot to guide her, adn makes decisions based on a strong independent thought process!!

This makes her FAR different than YOU:mw, and probably different than MANY on here of the SKY IS FALLING Liberal mentality, but definitely a more together, stronger Woman than YOU will ever be!!

That's OK TB, some people need to be raised and cared for far into their late life, and need decision makers, even that decision is very BAD!!!:tb:mw