Obama Attended Hate America Sermon

[Wabash]

Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:14 PM

By: Ronald Kessler

Obama claims he was completely unaware that the Reverend Wright’s trademark preaching style at the Trinity United Church of Christ targeted “white” America.

Contrary to Senator Barack Obama’s claim that he never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority for the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks.

Senator Obama has sought to separate himself from his pastor’s incendiary remarks, issuing a statement Friday rejecting them as “inflammatory and appalling” but failing to renounce Wright himself for his venomous and paranoid denunciations of America.

In his press release, Obama claimed, “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity [United Church of Christ] or heard him utter in private conversation.”

Appearing on cable news shows this past weekend, Obama claimed when he saw recent videos that have Wright making such comments as “God damn America,” he was “shocked.” Obama implied that the reverend had not used such derogatory language in any of the church services Obama attended over the past two decades.

If Obama’s claims are true that he was completely unaware that Wright’s trademark preaching style at the Trinity United Church of Christ has targeted “white” America and Israel, he would have been one of the few people in Chicago to be so uninformed. Wright’s reputation for spewing hate is well known.

In fact, Obama was present in the South Side Chicago church on July 22 last year when Jim Davis, a freelance correspondent for Newsmax, attended services along with Obama. [See: ”Obama’s Church: Cauldron of Division.”]

In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the “United States of White America” and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright’s attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement.

Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, “Young African-American men” were “dying for nothing.” The “illegal war,” he shouted, was “based on Bush’s lies” and is being “fought for oil money.”

Obama’s most famous celebrity backer, Oprah Winfrey began attending Wright’s church in 1984. Last year, Newsmax magazine reported that Winfrey abruptly stopped attending years ago, and suggested that she did so to distance herself from Wright’s inflammatory rhetoric. She soon found herself a target of Wright, who excoriated her for having broken with “traditional faith.”

The Reverend Wright’s anti-white theology that Senator Obama expressed surprise over is evident on the church’s website. The site says the congregation subscribes to what it calls the Black Value System, which is described as a disavowal of “our racist competitive society” and the pursuit of “middle-classness.” That is defined as a way for American society to “snare” blacks rather than “killing them off directly” or “placing them in concentration camps,” just as the country structures “an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.”

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in the church-affiliated magazine Trumpet four years after the attacks. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

The Relationship Unravels

Senator Obama now is attempting to minimize his long and close relationship with the controversial minister.

On Friday, John McCain’s campaign distributed a Wall Street Journal op-ed “Obama and the Minister” written under my byline based on my reporting for Newsmax going back to early January of this year.

The op-ed included details of a sermon Wright gave at Howard University blaming America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs, shamelessly supporting Israel, and creating a racist society that would never elect a black man as president. [See: “Obama’s Minister’s Hatred of America.”]

Obama’s campaign quickly responded to the Wall Street Journal op-ed, posting a statement on the Huffington Post. In his statement, Obama acknowledged that some of Wright’s statements have been “inflammatory and appalling.”

Saying he strongly condemns Wright’s comments, Obama continued, “I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.” [emphasis added]

Again, Obama moved to narrowly distance himself from specific comments Wright had made, while still praising his minister in recent interviews for leading him to Jesus and preaching a “social gospel.”

Obama went on to claim that he first learned about Wright’s controversial statements when he began his presidential campaign. But this assertion conflicts with the fact that just before Obama’s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally on Feb. 10, 2007, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation.

At the time, Wright explained: “When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli” to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, “a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”

According to Wright, Obama then told him, “'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.'” Still, Obama and his family prayed privately with Wright just before the presidential announcement.

Apparently Obama never foresaw Wright’s sermons making national television or becoming a sensation on YouTube. But lending graphic detail to the saga, ABC News and other networks began running a 2003 sermon in which Wright said, “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.” [Click Here to see video]

Obama has described Wright as a sounding board and mentor. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Obama consulted Wright before deciding to run for president. The title of Obama’s bestseller “The Audacity of Hope” comes from one of Wright’s sermons. Obama’s “Yes We Can!” slogan is one of Wright’s exhortations.

Apologists for Wright have said that what he says is normal in black churches, and many blacks claim such preaching cannot be understood by whites.

“If you’re black, it’s hard to say what you truly think and not upset white people,” the New York Times quoted James Cone as saying. Cone is a professor at Union Theological Seminary and the father of what is known as black liberation theology.

But Juan Williams, a Fox News commentator and author of “Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America,” tells Newsmax that Wright’s sermons reflect “the victim mindset that is so self-defeating in the black community and one that is played on by weak black leadership that chooses to have black people identified as victims rather than inspiring them as people who have overcome. In posing as victims, they say the most prejudiced and vicious things, not only about whites but about America. They call it theology. In fact, it’s nothing but bigotry.”

In failing to condemn Wright himself and claiming that he was unaware of the preacher’s hate-filled speech, Obama is continuing a longstanding pattern.

Obama often refers to Wright as being "like an old uncle, who sometimes says things I don't agree with." Wright is not Obama’s “uncle” — a person born into a blood relationship — but a man he has cultivated for decades as a close friend, mentor and adviser.

After Newsmax broke the story on Jan. 14 that Wright’s church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan in December for lifetime achievement, Obama again sought to denounce his minister’s action without criticizing Wright himself.

Like Wright, Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews (calling Judaism a “gutter religion”), whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.

After the Newsmax story, Obama issued a statement purportedly addressing the issue.

"I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan," Obama said.

Again, Obama was careful not to condemn Farrakhan himself or Wright who had spoken adoringly of Farrakhan and put their church behind the award to the controversial Nation of Islam leader.

“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, black America listens,” Trumpet quoted Wright as saying. “His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.”

Obama adroitly said, “I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.”

In fact, Trumpet is published by Wright’s church using the church’s offices. Wright’s daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.

Having gotten away with sidestepping Wright’s adoring comments about Farrakhan, Obama told Jewish leaders flatly in Cleveland on Jan. 24 that the award was because of Farrakhan’s work with ex-offenders. To date, no news outlet has pointed out that Obama’s claim is false.

Obama went on to explain away Wright’s anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state’s support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his claim that the award to Farrakhan was made because of his work with ex-offenders, Obama made that up. Wright’s statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way.

On Fox News’ Hannity & Colmes on Saturday, Obama said he would have quit the church if he had “repeatedly” been present when Wright made inflammatory statements. He was not asked why he did not quit the church when it gave an award to Farrakhan.

Having considered Wright a friend and mentor for two decades, Obama now often mentions that his pastor recently retired. Wright suggested to the New York Times last year that he and Obama might have to do something of a distancing act in the run up to the election.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright was quoted by The New York Times. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said, ‘Yeah, that might have to happen.'"
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hat%20e_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html?s=al&promo_code=9990-1

[Wabash]

The dirt is coming hard and coming fast.....the new King of bullshit is being exposed! By, Bye Bama!:LL

[Wabash]

The baton, labeled Liar in Chief, has been passed it seems, from Bill Clinton to Hussein Obama!

[BartonX]

Way to go Wabash, everytime I put up a thred about this bastard it is moved or it disappears. It isn't a Christian Church, it is a front for both radical Marxist and radical Islam. I would like to hear Obama tell in detail how this hate spewing Marxist indoctrinator led him to Christ?

Muslims believe in Jesus but as a Prophet, and in their Qur'an it even says that the land belongs to Israel, but you will not hear that in public. That is what makes these snakes so dangerous they are using a false Church and false Christianity to hide their evil.

Bye Bye Bama the jug is up! :)

[jim]

Way to go Wabash, everytime I put up a thred about this bastard it is moved or it disappears. It isn't a Christian Church, it is a front for both radical Marxist and radical Islam. I would like to hear Obama tell in detail how this hate spewing Marxist indoctrinator led him to Christ?

Muslims believe in Jesus but as a Prophet, and in their Qur'an it even says that the land belongs to Israel, but you will not hear that in public. That is what makes these snakes so dangerous they are using a false Church and false Christianity to hide their evil.

Bye Bye Bama the jug is up! :)


You are seriously delusional, BX:witch:aliens:brr

[Lone Laugher]

Let me guess....the "mainstream" media will ignore this little tidbit because they are in Barack Obama's corner.

How frustrating it must be for you guys. The truth never gets told! Only you know the facts.....why won't anyone listen?!

[Saguaro]

The swiftboating has begun

[Yellowdogtexan]

Oh boy, newsmax is the source. Newsmax is just as stupid and unreliable as drudge. Again the only people who listen to newsmax and drudge are fools and morons who are stupid enough to believe that there are WMDs in Iraq.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Again, only complete idiots, fools and people who are stupid enough to believe that there are still WMDs in Iraq are dumb enough to believe drudge or newsmax. It seems that there is video of Senator Obama in Florida at a rally at the same time that he was supposedly attending this sermon. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-at-la-raza-convention-in-miami-fl-07-22-07/737349854Wabby wonders why people think that he is a fool and yet continues to post crap like this.

[patriotsblade]

Again, only complete idiots, fools and people who are stupid enough to believe that there are still WMDs in Iraq are dumb enough to believe drudge or newsmax. It seems that there is video of Senator Obama in Florida at a rally at the same time that he was supposedly attending this sermon. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-at-la-raza-convention-in-miami-fl-07-22-07/737349854Wabby wonders why people think that he is a fool and yet continues to post crap like this.

Wow. Maybe Obama really is "Divine". I mean having the ability to be in Chicago and Miami at the same time. :zen

[Cookie Parker]

The guy who wrote this is a freelancer for NewsMax...ROFLMAO!!!

[Wabash]

You are seriously delusional, BX:witch:aliens:brr
Doesn't seem like it to me! I think you and your ilk are the delusional ones...

Let me guess....the "mainstream" media will ignore this little tidbit because they are in Barack Obama's corner.

How frustrating it must be for you guys. The truth never gets told! Only you know the facts.....why won't anyone listen?!
Who knows, the New Slickmeister's teflon is starting to wear off...they might pick it up...

The swiftboating has begun:yay:yay:yay:frolic
Oh boy, newsmax is the source. Newsmax is just as stupid and unreliable as drudge. Again the only people who listen to newsmax and drudge are fools and morons who are stupid enough to believe that there are WMDs in Iraq.
The only stupid is YOU stupid!

Again, only complete idiots, fools and people who are stupid enough to believe that there are still WMDs in Iraq are dumb enough to believe drudge or newsmax. It seems that there is video of Senator Obama in Florida at a rally at the same time that he was supposedly attending this sermon. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-at-la-raza-convention-in-miami-fl-07-22-07/737349854Wabby wonders why people think that he is a fool and yet continues to post crap like this.
Shoot the messenger doggie, coverup the truth...Obama is a FRAUD and a LIAR!

The guy who wrote this is a freelancer for NewsMax...ROFLMAO!!!
Soooo? He's not allowed to tell the truth?

[patriotsblade]

Wabby, did you just completely miss the part of this that showed that Obama was in Miami on the day that the little Newsmax loon claims he was in the church in Chicago with him?

[Wabash]

Wabby, did you just completely miss the part of this that showed that Obama was in Miami on the day that the little Newsmax loon claims he was in the church in Chicago with him?

Guess so, I'll go look...

[Wabash]

Ok, I hadn't played that video yet.....so, You will believe an AOL video, that may or may not be lying about the date or may just have gotten that date wrong, but you won't believe Ron Kessler? Your source is right and mine is wrong? Sure it is......
Ask yourself this libs:Why couldn't he he have attended the church in the morning and flown to Miami later in the same day for the speech there?

Geeeee....WHAT a Concept!

I've given talks across this country on the same date...why can't Obie?

[Saguaro]

Ok, I hadn't played that video yet.....so, You will believe an AOL video, that may or may not be lying about the date or may just have gotten that date wrong, but you won't believe Ron Kessler? Your source is right and mine is wrong? Sure it is......
Ask yourself this libs:Why couldn't he he have attended the church in the morning and flown to Miami later in the same day for the speech there?

Geeeee....WHAT a Concept!

I've given talks across this country on the same date...why can't Obie?

Give it up Wabash,the author of the article is a liar

[Wabash]

Give it up Wabash,the author of the article is a liar

Prove it!!!!!
I'm giving up nothing....the Liar is Obie!
Doggie puts a link up and you automatically believe that one? You give it up!!

The big LIAR here is OBAMA!

20 years of attending this church and listening to this racist PIG of a Pastor and you think he has not heard this rhetoric?

[Deadshot]

What's funny about this Wabbi is that no believes you because of your bullshit in the past. Had this been a post started by cassandra or The Rev, one might be prone to give it some creadence. But you Wabbi, after all the crap you've posted over the years here...Dude if you posted that 2 + 2 = 4, I'd double check!

[Wabash]

Now I can see where the deep seated rage from Michelle Obama comes from....the two of them have been indoctrinated for 20 years.....20 years of racist, hateful rhetoric from Rev. Wright! You really think this shit doesn't rub off? Obie is going DOWNNNNnnn!:ringo

[Yellowdogtexan]

Prove it!!!!!
I'm giving up nothing....the Liar is Obie!Once again you have proved yourself to be a fool. Even Newsmax has now backed off this stupid story. http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/newsmaxs-kessle.html11:50 a.m. ET: "Your headline should be 'story is false,' " Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor just told us.

Until the conservative website NewsMax.com can say for certain what date it maintains Sen. Barack Obama was present when the senior pastor at his church made some controversial remarks, then the "central detail" is wrong and the entire story falls apart, he said.

(NewsMax has now posted a "clarification" that says its reporter can't give a specific date of when this was supposed to have happened.).....

As we reported this morning, the Obama campaign said the senator was not present at the July 22 service.

A few minutes ago, Kessler told us by telephone that "the NewsMax editors have talked with Jim Davis" and "he might have been wrong about the date."

Davis, Kessler added, "says he could have been wrong about the date."Wabby, this goes into my list of stupid and foolish statements that you keep on making. You evidently do not mind making a fool of yourself and you have been warned that newsmax and drudge are not reliable. When you post from such questionable sources, you run the risk of exposing yourself as an idiot and fool.

[Yellowdogtexan]

What's funny about this Wabbi is that no believes you because of your bullshit in the past. Had this been a post started by cassandra or The Rev, one might be prone to give it some creadence. But you Wabbi, after all the crap you've posted over the years here...Dude if you posted that 2 + 2 = 4, I'd double check! Exactly. I have a long list of clear examples of wabby being an idiot and a fool and he keeps insisting on adding to this list.

[Saguaro]

Yep, he comes from Illinois, so he is going down. Down to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave

[Wabash]

What's funny about this Wabbi is that no believes you because of your bullshit in the past. Had this been a post started by cassandra or The Rev, one might be prone to give it some creadence. But you Wabbi, after all the crap you've posted over the years here...Dude if you posted that 2 + 2 = 4, I'd double check!

Bullshit DS....I have put many correct things on this forum and I have predicted 2 out of 4 things...so far, which have come true.
I have already gotten good rep for being right on this...and I AM right!
Trouble with you is, that if YDT puts something up to counter me, you automatically believe it...just like SAG did above....
Someone just mentioned to me the other day that I am a lot smarter than people give me credit for being....
OBAMA is a LIAR and this proves it! It's about the 4th thing that I've posted that proves it...there will be more...this guy is dirty.....and a liar!

[Wabash]

Exactly. I have a long list of clear examples of wabby being an idiot and a fool and he keeps insisting on adding to this list.
Bullshit....you are the second biggest liar on here after Obie! You have lied about numerous things on this forum to try and discredit me...the problem is, some here are gullible enough to believe your lies! EX: Like the story you spread about Limbaugh that was a total LIE!

Yep, he comes from Illinois, so he is going down. Down to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Obama will NEVER serve as President of the USA!

[Wabash]

Once again you have proved yourself to be a fool. Even Newsmax has now backed off this stupid story. http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/newsmaxs-kessle.htmlWabby, this goes into my list of stupid and foolish statements that you keep on making. You evidently do not mind making a fool of yourself and you have been warned that newsmax and drudge are not reliable. When you post from such questionable sources, you run the risk of exposing yourself as an idiot and fool.
Even if he is wrong about the date, Obie and wifey have been exposed to this crap over and over and over again.....Wright is a hateful, racist person...You are great with labels doggie, why don't you label Rev. Wright for us?????
Wright has seriously hurt Obie's campaign....and Obie is dirty!

[Yellowdogtexan]

Bullshit DS....I have put many correct things on this forum and I have predicted 2 out of 4 things...One of your claims was that romney was getting back into the race for the GOP nomination. That never happened. McCain is now the nominee and Mittens is begging to be named as mccain's VP. As is normal, you are claiming credit for something that only exists in your feeble mind.

[Wabash]

Donna Brasile yesterday said that "Wright is one of the more moderate speakers."..........WHAT?

How much more hateful and racist can a guy be?

Wright even said that this moment would happen...and Obie is happy about it...

[Deadshot]

Wabbi, do you care to create a poll? I would challenge you to take a vote of how believable you are. I've actually had conversations in other threads about Rabid Neo-Con posters and your name and Ringo's are the two that are consistently brought up.

I think that you will find that the majority of people, even Republicans here, do not believe most of the crap you post.

You are quite simply the Chicken Little of this site.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Even if he is wrong about the date, Obie and wifey have been exposed to this crap over and over and over again.....You wonder why people think you are a fool. The thesis of your charge was that Senator Obama attended the sermon that occured on July 22, 2007 in order to make the false claim that Senator Obama lied about not hearing that sermon. Senator Obama was in Florida on that day and there is video of him at campaign appearances all of that day. You were stupid enough to rely on stupid sources like drudge and newsmax (even though you have been warned repeatedly about these sources) and so you made a fool of yourself.

No one on this site takes your seriously because you keep on making the same stupid mistake over and over again.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Donna Brasile yesterday said that "Wright is one of the more moderate speakers."..........WHAT?Do you know any African Americans. Have you ever been in an African American church? You are clueless about this subject. Maybe this will enlighten you somewhat.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/14/acd.01.htmlGERGEN: I hope, in the next segment, we can come back to understanding that there's a discourse, there's a conversation in the black community....There has been for a long time, which is different from what is in the white community. And we ought to understand and appreciate the differences ... and not expect everybody to be just the same in this country.

(commercial break)

COOPER: ....David Gergen brought up an interesting point.... about the African-American experience, the African-American experience in church versus white American experience in church and the tradition. Different traditions.

Is there -- is there something that -- I mean, white people looking at this interpret differently -- you can't generalize like this, but that African-Americans looking at this may see it differently or hear things differently than white Americans listening to this?

COOPER: David, you brought this up. Why do you think that's an important point?

DAVID GERGEN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, because there's a long tradition, Anderson. And among black leaders to have a different view of American history, going all the way back to Frederick Douglass, who was one of the greatest American heroes of the 19th century, you know, who -- who gained his freedom from slavery in a great order.

He was invited the a July 4th celebration to give a July 4th speech in 1852, and he showed up and said, "You know, you whites see July 4 very differently from what I see it. This is not a day of celebration for us."

And I have found that in my classroom with black students frequently. When they speak their minds and when they speak their hearts, they have a very different view. I've had a young woman tell me, "July 4, we still can't celebrate it in my family, because of what's happened to us."

And I think that we as whites have to be understanding and empathic toward that and try to understand that, that people who are African-Americans legitimately have a different perspective on what American history has meant and take that into account as we hear this.

And it's not a lack of patriotism. It is a different form of patriotism. Actually, Reverend Wright may love this country more than any of us but feel we've fallen short of what we preach and believe.Wabby's ignorance and bigotry is blinding him.

[Deadshot]

No one on this site takes your seriously because you keep on making the same stupid mistake over and over again.

I know you won't listen to me, but to ease my conscience I will make my pitch.

Wabbi, YDT is ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY right on this one. If your takes and posts were not so blatantly one sided and usually full of factual errors you would be believable and your points would be more accepted.

But see this isn't talk radio and you're not Rush or Laura Ingraham, many of us here actually fact check and expect things like names, dates and times to coorespond with accusations.

Only you can fix this Wabbi.

[Wabash]

Wabbi, do you care to create a poll? I would challenge you to take a vote of how believable you are. I've actually had conversations in other threads about Rabid Neo-Con posters and your name and Ringo's are the two that are consistently brought up.

I think that you will find that the majority of people, even Republicans here, do not believe most of the crap you post.

You are quite simply the Chicken Little of this site.
Well then, they need to say so! Because all I hear most of the time is from you libs...if the conservatives here don't agree, they should have the cojones to speak up!
I get a lot of support on other forums, I get very little here...but then, it's a liberal house...what do we all expect?

You wonder why people think you are a fool. The thesis of your charge was that Senator Obama attended the sermon that occured on July 22, 2007 in order to make the false claim that Senator Obama lied about not hearing that sermon. Senator Obama was in Florida on that day and there is video of him at campaign appearances all of that day. You were stupid enough to rely on stupid sources like drudge and newsmax (even though you have been warned repeatedly about these sources) and so you made a fool of yourself.

No one on this site takes your seriously because you keep on making the same stupid mistake over and over again.
Even if, the date is wrong, the basic gist of the report is right!
I had a story, and I went with it...NewsMax'sa reporter should have gotten his date correct...shame on him. The bottom line is Obie has heard this Hateful rhetoric over and over again!

[Wabash]

I know you won't listen to me, but to ease my conscience I will make my pitch.

Wabbi, YDT is ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY right on this one. If your takes and posts were not so blatantly one sided and usually full of factual errors you would be believable and your points would be more accepted.

But see this isn't talk radio and you're not Rush or Laura Ingraham, many of us here actually fact check and expect things like names, dates and times to coorespond with accusations.

Only you can fix this Wabbi.

I am listening to you DS...seriously.
I disagree with your last line thou.....I can't fix this.
If you all believe that I am wrong all the time....so be it......nothing I will say, will change that...
Have a Great St. Patty's Day and Goodbye...

[Wabash]

Wait a minute....before I go.... Let's say he's telling the truth, and was really "unaware".....

That was Oprah Winfrey's church until she ran away from it several years ago... SHE was aware......

Even beyond that, can we have anyone in the WH (or even the Senate) who is so blind and deaf that he nods his head in church during the sermon like a puppy-dog in the back window of a '65 Chevy...???

This morning on the radio they're talking about intelligence leaks showing that Obama is not who he claims to be... There's an Arabic word for it, but I missed it... It means to lie to cover your motivation....

I watched him in an interview yesterday... He stumbled and stammered and I thought he was gonna turn white....

This ain't going away... He's done.... Obie will NEVER serve a day as President!

[Trueblue]

I feel that sooner or later, someone will come up with a date where Obama was in church and Wright said something that they find racist.

The baton, labeled Liar in Chief, has been passed it seems, from Bill Clinton to Hussein Obama!

You are so full of it! Bush has lied to us over and over again!

Now I can see where the deep seated rage from Michelle Obama comes from....the two of them have been indoctrinated for 20 years.....20 years of racist, hateful rhetoric from Rev. Wright! You really think this shit doesn't rub off? Obie is going DOWNNNNnnn!:ringo

Wabash, seriously, what are you talking about rage for? What rage? The only rage I see here is from you?

[Yellowdogtexan]

Wabby was not the only fool or idiot who was stupid enough to believe the newsmax source. Bill Kristol also cited this lie but unlike wabby, Kristol was man enough to apologize. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/kristol-issues-a-correction-i-regret-the-error/In his New York Times column today, Bill Kristol asserted that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) “was in fact in the pews” when pastor Jeremiah Wright blamed the “arrogance” of the “United States of White America” for much of the world’s suffering. As Marc Ambinder pointed out, this claim was false; Obama was on his way to campaign in Miami. Kristol has now printed a (misspelled) correction in the online version of his column:In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama camapaign [sic] has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error.This is the second time that Kristol has had to issue a correction to his NYT column since it began in early January.

UPDATE: Jay Ackroyd received a response from the New York Times public editor, who confirmed that Kristol was “wrong”:Dear Reader,

Thank you for writing. Mr. Kristol has affixed to the top of his column a correction on this issue. You are correct, he was wrong.

Sincerely,

Michael McElroy
Office of the Public Editor
The New York TimesKristol is an idiot and a fool like wabby but atleast Kristol is enough of a man to apologize for his stupidity.

[Deadshot]

Even if, the date is wrong, the basic gist of the report is right!



That is your basic problem right there Wabbi. You can't abide by the truth you want others to honor.

If the date is wrong, the story is wrong. The pastor only gave that speech once, ergo the date is an important part of the story.

I hope you see now why you have no credibility here.

[Trueblue]

Ronald Reagan once told a story about welfare fraud that was entirely imaginary.

Reporters went digging to find RR's "welfare queen" and as it turns out, she didn't exist.

But a spokesperson for RR said, "Well, the story got the point across anyway".

That excuse completely sums up the way these guys work. Facts are not relevant. Validating their feelings is what is relevant. If that can be done with an imaginary story that "feels right", then distorting reality is okay.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is amusing. Bill Kriston is an editor at the Weekly Standard and is also a guest writer for the NYT. The NYT has been given grief for allowing a fool like Kristol to have a column on the editorial page of the NYT. Well today's fuck up is allowing people to make fun of the NYT for the stupidity of publishing anything from an idiot like Kristol. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/bill_kristol_corrects_false_as.phpIn his latest column, Bill Kristol falsely claimed -- based on reporting by Newsmax, of all things -- that Obama had attended Trinity Church last July 22nd, when Wright blamed blamed the “arrogance” of the “United States of White America” for much global suffering.

The Obama campaign responded with an aggressive fact-check last night, saying that, no, in fact Obama was not at the service.

Finally, at least half a day later, Kristol has appended the following to his column:In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error."Report" is a rather kind way of describing the original Newsmax piece, but hey, at least Kristol finally got around to correcting it. One has to wonder how Times editors feel about the fact that their august Op ed page is actually printing information based on the "reporting" of such a comically disreputable outlet.The NYT will hopefully re-think the wisdom of publishing trash from an idiot like Kristol. I am glad that Kristol is more of a man than wabby and acutally apologized for his error. It is too bad that wabby is less of a man than Bill Kristol but then again that is why wabby is wabby.

[Wabash]

I feel that sooner or later, someone will come up with a date where Obama was in church and Wright said something that they find racist.
No shit! 20 years on...he has heard it over and over again! Oprah has too and left...obie and wife....stayed and supported this moron that passes himself off as a Christian! There is NOTHING Christian about Wright! Nothing! This church is Christian in name only.....



You are so full of it! Bush has lied to us over and over
again!
Bush is the subject here TB...Stay on topic...this is about Obie and Wright...the Racist and the LIAR!



Wabash, seriously, what are you talking about rage for? What rage? The only rage I see here is from you?
I have no rage TB...I never have...rage. I just put up big print to try and get you to see my point. Michele Obama has the rage, Wright has the rage...if you can't see that...than you are blind!

Wabby was not the only fool or idiot who was stupid enough to believe the newsmax source. Bill Kristol also cited this lie but unlike wabby, Kristol was man enough to apologize. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/kristol-issues-a-correction-i-regret-the-error/Kristol is an idiot and a fool like wabby but atleast Kristol is enough of a man to apologize for his stupidity.
Apologize for what...I only posted an article...it wasn't a dissertation originated by me....if I made it up, and was wrong....THEN I would apologize for it!
Like I said the date may be incorrect....but the story is TRUE! How can it not be, after listening to this hater? Obama stayed with the guy 20 years! That is not a wise man, that is a fool and he has lied about it!

OBAMA IS A LIAR! Any legitimate person would not have attended this church...it preaches Hate and Evil against other people!

[Cookie Parker]

Well then, they need to say so! Because all I hear most of the time is from you libs...if the conservatives here don't agree, they should have the cojones to speak up!
I get a lot of support on other forums, I get very little here...but then, it's a liberal house...what do we all expect?


Even if, the date is wrong, the basic gist of the report is right!
I had a story, and I went with it...NewsMax'sa reporter should have gotten his date correct...shame on him. The bottom line is Obie has heard this Hateful rhetoric over and over again!



No he hasn't..and that's what pisses you off...not only are you proven here to believe the lies the corporate elite media feeds you, but you refuse to believe the truth...

THAT'S why your party is failing....

[Wabash]

Why can't you libs see that Wright is a Hater and Racist and Obie has been indoctrinated for 20 years and supports the guy?????
Answer me that...Why does YDT not label Wright for what he is???.....is that honest of YDT? Hell No!!!
Is YDT biased beyond belief and picks apart one small item of that story? Hell Yes!

Does TB and DS go along with everything YDT says? Helll yes!

OBAMA IS A LIAR......OBAMA IS A LIAR! THIS WILL NOT GO AWAY..HE IS DONE!!

[Cookie Parker]

Why can't you libs see that Wright is a Hater and Racist and Obie has been indoctrinated for 20 years and supports the guy?????
Answer me that...Why does YDT not label Wright for what he is???.....is that honest of YDT? Hell No!!!

Maybe because reading comprehension has never been a problem for us, as it has obviously been for you Neocons.

[Trueblue]

Get specific about your concerns with Wright's sermons, if you don't mind. That would be more of a discussion than your once again labeling everyone a hater except you and Rush.

[Wabash]

No he hasn't..and that's what pisses you off...not only are you proven here to believe the lies the corporate elite media feeds you, but you refuse to believe the truth...

THAT'S why your party is failing....
Not at all cookie! I'm truey amazed, that just because a reporter got a story date incorrect, the incident didn't happen.
Oprah left...because the church pastor is full of hate...what is so hard for you to understand about that?

[Yellowdogtexan]

Apologize for what...I only posted an article...it wasn't a dissertation originated by me....if I made it up, and was wrong....THEN I would apologize for it!As I noted, you are far less of a man than Bill Kristol and that is sad. Wabby when you post something like this you are in effect sanctioning or endorsing the views in that article. That is why it is stupid to rely on drudge or newsmax because these sources are usually wrong. You made a fool of yourself yet again but citing a bogus story and then refusing to admit that you were wrong. Atleast Bill Kristol (who is also an idiot and a fool) was man enough to apologize for his stupidity.

Your inability to realize how stupid it is to post false material is what causes most posters on this board to laugh at you and to doubt anything that you post. Someday you may post something intelligent (this is not likely but even a blind hog may find an acorn on occassion) and no one will believe you due to your past silliness and foolishness.

Again, be a man and admit that you were wrong.

[Wabash]

Maybe because reading comprehension has never been a problem for us, as it has obviously been for you Neocons.
Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension Cookie...I read the story...YDT posted that the date was wrong...the story is still true! Your comprehension is no better than mine!

Get specific about your concerns with Wright's sermons, if you don't mind. That would be more of a discussion than your once again labeling everyone a hater except you and Rush.
I posted it on another thread....if you didn't read it, better go back and look...it was VERY specific!

OBAMA is LYING! No question in my mind!
Any reasonable and prudent person can see it...seems that libs are neither!
Obama was WELL aware of Wright's sermons!
OBAMA IS A LIAR! He's been caught in a lie, many lies...he is Done!

[Trueblue]

Not at all cookie! I'm truey amazed, that just because a reporter got a story date incorrect, the incident didn't happen.
Oprah left...because the church pastor is full of hate...what is so hard for you to understand about that?

:lmao

What reality do you live in? :lmao

One where people can be in two places at the same time? The sermon took place on a day when Obama was not there.

Be patient, I'm sure that there is some sermon that Obama really attended for you to attack. :snicker

[Yellowdogtexan]

Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension Cookie...I read the story...YDT posted that the date was wrong...the story is still true! Your comprehension is no better than mine!Again you wonder why people think you are an idiot and a fool. The sermon was only given on one date and Senator Obama did not attend services on that date. The thesis (this is a big word to you but look it up) of the newsmax piece was that they caught Senator Obama in a lie when he said that he did not attend services on the date in question. Well newsmax was wrong and only a fool or complete idiot would claim that the date was not relevant.

Wabby, bill Kristol is a conservative like you but he is also more of a man than you are. Kristol apologized for his mistake but you are too little of a man or far too stupid to realize why you are wrong. Again, I have no respect for you but I do have a little respect for Kristol because unlike you, he was man enough to realize that he was wrong and apologized. Grow up and be a man wabby.

[Cookie Parker]

Not at all cookie! I'm truey amazed, that just because a reporter got a story date incorrect, the incident didn't happen.
Oprah left...because the church pastor is full of hate...what is so hard for you to understand about that?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that this was reported by a paid for neocon paper reporter?

Why is it so hard for you to research the legislation and issues Obama has done and be ABOVE these campaign lies?

why is it these elections, in this nation, are for you who gets the most hate mail?

Why aren't you MORE of an American and LESS of a communist?

[Cookie Parker]

Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension Cookie...I read the story...YDT posted that the date was wrong...the story is still true! Your comprehension is no better than mine!


I posted it on another thread....if you didn't read it, better go back and look...it was VERY specific!

OBAMA is LYING! No question in my mind!
Any reasonable and prudent person can see it...seems that libs are neither!
Obama was WELL aware of Wright's sermons!
OBAMA IS A LIAR! He's been caught in a lie, many lies...he is Done!

Of course there's no question in your mind that a democrat is a liar...it gives you yet another enemy to fear and hate....

When are you going to grow a set and be a thinking, reasoning, researching American and take your responsibilities for this nation SERIOUSLY?

If you HATE this country, feel free to leave!!!

If all you are going to do is read and hear what the weatlhy 1% of this fascist nation want you to read and
DO their bidding, then for God's sake, DON'T vote!!!

If you haven't educated yourself as to what and who these candidates are, then you are NOT an American!!!

[issac the dragon]

In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama camapaign has provided information showing that Senator Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/17kristol.html?ref=opinion

William Kristol in his NYTimes column this AM.

[Yellowdogtexan]

In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama camapaign has provided information showing that Senator Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/17kristol.html?ref=opinion

William Kristol in his NYTimes column this AM.Yes. Bill Kristol made a big mistake but atleast he was man enough to apologize for his mistake unlike wabby. Wabby is far less of a man compared to Kristol.

[Capitalist]

The swiftboating has begun

So do you deny this man said what we saw him say?

Or are you saying that Obama never knew about any of that before last week?

Note, this guy was removed from the campaign in 2007.

[Capitalist]

Oh boy, newsmax is the source. Newsmax is just as stupid and unreliable as drudge. Again the only people who listen to newsmax and drudge are fools and morons who are stupid enough to believe that there are WMDs in Iraq.

You mean as unreliable as the story about a president having sex with a Whitehouse intern?

[Capitalist]

Prove it!!!!!
I'm giving up nothing....the Liar is Obie!
Doggie puts a link up and you automatically believe that one? You give it up!!

The big LIAR here is OBAMA!

20 years of attending this church and listening to this racist PIG of a Pastor and you think he has not heard this rhetoric?

I don't read or quote newsmax or WND because they often print things before they are vetted, kinda like CBS.

But the real story here is does anyone believe that Obama knew nothing about this untill a few days ago?

He knew the man for 20 years. He attended his church on a faily regular basis. He was married by him. His children were babtised by him. Another sermon he gave , Obama claimed, was the inspiration for a book "The Audacity of Hope'.

Given all of that is it really believable that he did not know of these things?

I don't think he believes them, I sure hope he dose not, but surely he knew about them.

[Capitalist]

Donna Brasile yesterday said that "Wright is one of the more moderate speakers."..........WHAT?

How much more hateful and racist can a guy be?

Wright even said that this moment would happen...and Obie is happy about it...

As compared to whom, Hitler?

[Capitalist]

This is amusing. Bill Kriston is an editor at the Weekly Standard and is also a guest writer for the NYT. The NYT has been given grief for allowing a fool like Kristol to have a column on the editorial page of the NYT. Well today's fuck up is allowing people to make fun of the NYT for the stupidity of publishing anything from an idiot like Kristol. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/bill_kristol_corrects_false_as.phpThe NYT will hopefully re-think the wisdom of publishing trash from an idiot like Kristol. I am glad that Kristol is more of a man than wabby and acutally apologized for his error. It is too bad that wabby is less of a man than Bill Kristol but then again that is why wabby is wabby.

It is not Kriston, at least get the fucking nake right asshole.

[Capitalist]

Get specific about your concerns with Wright's sermons, if you don't mind. That would be more of a discussion than your once again labeling everyone a hater except you and Rush.

Well lets see, aides was created to cause a genocide against people of color?

9-11 was done on purpose to give us an exuces to go to war.

Anything there you agree with?

[Trueblue]

Well lets see, aides was created to cause a genocide against people of color?

9-11 was done on purpose to give us an exuces to go to war.

Anything there you agree with?

I missed the part of the sermon that said that 9/11 was done on purpose to give us a reason to start a war. I thought that he said that 9/11 was blowback.

I also didn't hear him say that AIDS was created to cause a genocide against black people. I don't agree with that, it's a conspiracy theory.

[Lone Laugher]

Wow ...what a great thread!

When are the people who think Obama has been indoctrinated by Rev. Wright going to provide evidence that he has ever said anything that shows agreement with the reverend's comments.

The fact is that Obama has a relationship with a guy who makes his living by being controversial. He'll get more donations if he gets a bit over the top every now and then.

In a perfect world, Obama would have been aware that this guy could be a bit nutty. And, he should be more careful choosing his friends if he wants to be POTUS. But...he has given us no reason to doubt his intentions.

He has been forced to do damage control...and distance himself from the reverend. He done so...and the question that we have to answeris:

Do we think Obama has political views that are the same as the incendiary comments that Wright made?

I do not think so. Therefore, the issue is of little consequence.




Fianlly, I suggest that those who are outraged by the comments go to the transcripts and read them IN CONTEXT....they don't seem quite as bad when you do that. Also...the guy has given thousandes of sermons that were not infused with the questionable rhetoric....check some of those out too.

[Trueblue]

:clap

[Yellowdogtexan]

The pundits are having fun teasing the NYT for the stupidity of letting an idiot like Kristol publish editorials on the NYT editorial page. http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080317/cm_thenation/45299628The only problem: Kristol was wrong. As Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic rightly noted, "The truth is that Obama did not attend church on July 22. He was on his way to campaign in Miami."

Kristol has posted a correction; NewsMax has not.

Despite its factual inaccuracy, the column raises larger questions about Kristol's news judgement--and how "respected" conservative pundits are amplifying fringe rumors about Obama. Does Kristol believe everything he reads on Newsmax? After all, the Florida-based tabloid was one of the leading peddlers of lies about the Clintons (Hillary is a lesbian! Bill has a love child! Chelsea had plastic surgery!), regularly promoting conspiracy theories as scoops and falsehoods as fact. Terry Krepel of Media Matters likens NewsMax to a right-wing version of the Weekly World News. Yet Kristol refers to Kessler as a "journalist who has written about Wright's ministry" without indicating his links to NewsMax (he's their DC correspondent) or where his rumor about Obama first appeared.

Journalism this sloppy is par for the course in the conservative blogosphere. But you'd think the editorial page of the paper of record would have a higher standard.Only a fool, idiot or someone stupid enough to believe that there are sill WMDs in Iraq would rely on newsmax. I wonder how long Kristol will get to stay on the NYT editorial board given this stupidity.

Again, wabby is nowhere near the man that Kristol is. Kristol apologized for his mistake but wabby is not man enough to apologize for his stupidity and mistake.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is amusing. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/newsmaxs_kessler_scrubs_refere.phpAs I noted below, Bill Kristol had to append a correction to today's column, after the Obama campaign convinced him that his claim that Obama had attended a controversial Jeremiah Wright column was, well, false.

Kristol had cited, of all things, a piece on Newsmax by Ronald Kessler as the source for the tall tale. Kessler's piece, too, featured an update that acknowledged error -- sort of, anyway.

But there's been an amusing epilogue to this otherwise dispiriting tale.

It turns out Kessler has been busy today scrubbing references to this episode of fact-bungling from his page at Wikipedia.

A reader emailed me the editing history of his page, and it shows one "KesslerRonald" editing out a big chunk of text describing various Kessler "controversies," including the whole Newsmax/Obama/Kristol/Wright screw-up.

I checked in with Kessler himself, and he confirmed that he had done the deed. He said he'd cut out the reference to his own fact-bungling because it also contained a reference to an article criticizing him for his stance on torture -- and that all of this was part of the same "left-wing" assault.

"Someone today added all this negative material, which is all from a left-wing perspective," Kessler said. "And I took that out...I thought of that as all being part of the same package, just a total assault."

Someone, alas, has returned the offending material to Kessler's page, however. And it appears he's given up on scrubbing it: He tells me that this time, he's going to leave it in.Kessler is an idiot and was caught telling a lie. He can try but the wiki rules will not let him cover up his lies that easily. The fact that this moron was caught in the act is just plain funny :LL

[Trueblue]

This is amusing. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/newsmaxs_kessler_scrubs_refere.phpKessler is an idiot and was caught telling a lie. He can try but the wiki rules will not let him cover up his lies that easily. The fact that this moron was caught in the act is just plain funny :LL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951VJFTr1KY&feature=related

[Wabash]

Of course there's no question in your mind that a democrat is a liar...it gives you yet another enemy to fear and hate....
I do not fear...or hate...your attempt at reading minds is deficient at best!

When are you going to grow a set and be a thinking, reasoning, researching American and take your responsibilities for this nation SERIOUSLY?
I do, I have, I am..hey...if Bill Kristol can get part of it wrong( a small part), I guess I can too...

If you HATE this country, feel free to leave!!! I don't hate this country at all, and I'm not going anywhere! I don't know why you even say that.

If all you are going to do is read and hear what the weatlhy 1% of this fascist nation want you to read and
DO their bidding, then for God's sake, DON'T vote!!!
Oh, I never miss a vote Cookie...not in 40 years...

If you haven't educated yourself as to what and who these candidates are, then you are NOT an American!!!
I have...your assumin on this post is over the top! You have no idea what the hell you are talking about!

Yes. Bill Kristol made a big mistake but atleast he was man enough to apologize for his mistake unlike wabby. Wabby is far less of a man compared to Kristol.
You are just soooo Full of Shit! I can smell you from the left coast!

As compared to whom, Hitler?
That's a nice comparison, but no, not that bad...

[Wabash]

Wow ...what a great thread!

When are the people who think Obama has been indoctrinated by Rev. Wright going to provide evidence that he has ever said anything that shows agreement with the reverend's comments.

The fact is that Obama has a relationship with a guy who makes his living by being controversial. He'll get more donations if he gets a bit over the top every now and then.

In a perfect world, Obama would have been aware that this guy could be a bit nutty. And, he should be more careful choosing his friends if he wants to be POTUS. But...he has given us no reason to doubt his intentions.

He has been forced to do damage control...and distance himself from the reverend. He done so...and the question that we have to answeris:

Do we think Obama has political views that are the same as the incendiary comments that Wright made?

I do not think so. Therefore, the issue is of little consequence.




Fianlly, I suggest that those who are outraged by the comments go to the transcripts and read them IN CONTEXT....they don't seem quite as bad when you do that. Also...the guy has given thousandes of sermons that were not infused with the questionable rhetoric....check some of those out too.
I think Obie is a LIAR and believes exactly the trash that Wright spews! I think Michele is also full of hate and comtempt for the white man in this country.....Anyone voting for Obie is a Fool of the First Order!
Like in my other thread...if this was about Bush in Tx. in '99 you libs would be a busting a gut over it!

:clap
Hoooey!

The pundits are having fun teasing the NYT for the stupidity of letting an idiot like Kristol publish editorials on the NYT editorial page. http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080317/cm_thenation/45299628Only a fool, idiot or someone stupid enough to believe that there are sill WMDs in Iraq would rely on newsmax. I wonder how long Kristol will get to stay on the NYT editorial board given this stupidity.

Again, wabby is nowhere near the man that Kristol is. Kristol apologized for his mistake but wabby is not man enough to apologize for his stupidity and mistake.
Apologize for posting an article with one small date wrong, I don't think so moron...nice ploy thou, typical ambulance chaser tactic.....I think it still happened and the story is correct, the guy just mixed up the date....

This is amusing. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/newsmaxs_kessler_scrubs_refere.phpKessler is an idiot and was caught telling a lie. He can try but the wiki rules will not let him cover up his lies that easily. The fact that this moron was caught in the act is just plain funny :LL
Caught at what, getting one date wrong? Big deal. Doesn't make the story any less truthful...or accurate! Damage control, by the Libs is amusing.......Haaaaa!:hotdog

[Lone Laugher]

Wabby....the date is wrong. The entire story is made up. Can the author prove that he was there with Obama when the "hateful" comments were made?


The answer is no. This is why even Fox has not run the story. It is false.

You want to believe it....that is clear. But in the long run, you will be better served if you seek the truth...even if it does not support your feelings.

Basically...if newsmax runs a big story like that and it is not picked up and run with by the "mainstream" media within a few hours....even if only to report that "a story by Newsmax claims......" then you can bet that it is straight BS.

This is not the first time....let it be the last.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Apologize for posting an article with one small date wrong, I don't think so moron...nice ploy thou, typical ambulance chaser tactic.....I think it still happened and the story is correct], the guy just mixed up the date....That is because you are a fool and an idiot as well as a very small and pitiful man. Again only a moron (and you clearly qualify) would think that the date does not matter. The sermon in question was only given on a date when Senator Obama was not in attendance. Even an idiot or moron would understand why the date matters and that is why Bill Kristol apologized for telling a clear falsehood.

Again, wabby you are a fool and idiot. You wonder why people think you are an idiot and the stupidity of the above quote is great proof of why we all laugh at you. You are also a small and pitiful man and I truly pity you.

Keep on displaying your stupidity and ignorance with that claim and we will keep on laughing at you. Again, you are too small of a man to admit that you were wrong or you too stupid to take seriously.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Wabby....the date is wrong. The entire story is made up. Can the author prove that he was there with Obama when the "hateful" comments were made?

The answer is no. This is why even Fox has not run the story. It is false.

You want to believe it....that is clear. But in the long run, you will be better served if you seek the truth...even if it does not support your feelings.

Basically...if newsmax runs a big story like that and it is not picked up and run with by the "mainstream" media within a few hours....even if only to report that "a story by Newsmax claims......" then you can bet that it is straight BS.

This is not the first time....let it be the last.wabby has repeatedly made a fool of himself by repeating such claims. Even Bill Kristol (who is also an idiot) is man enough and bright enought to realize that this was a false story and apologize. Wabby is either a small and pitiful man or too stupid to realize that he is wrong. Either way, he is to be pitied but ignored (or laughted at).

[Capitalist]

Wow ...what a great thread!

When are the people who think Obama has been indoctrinated by Rev. Wright going to provide evidence that he has ever said anything that shows agreement with the reverend's comments.

The fact is that Obama has a relationship with a guy who makes his living by being controversial. He'll get more donations if he gets a bit over the top every now and then.

In a perfect world, Obama would have been aware that this guy could be a bit nutty. And, he should be more careful choosing his friends if he wants to be POTUS. But...he has given us no reason to doubt his intentions.

He has been forced to do damage control...and distance himself from the reverend. He done so...and the question that we have to answeris:

Do we think Obama has political views that are the same as the incendiary comments that Wright made?

I do not think so. Therefore, the issue is of little consequence.




Fianlly, I suggest that those who are outraged by the comments go to the transcripts and read them IN CONTEXT....they don't seem quite as bad when you do that. Also...the guy has given thousandes of sermons that were not infused with the questionable rhetoric....check some of those out too.

I guess at the same time you show us the same for republican politicians agreeing with a bunch of people the left clamors for distancing from. What is funny is that none od the people you leftist bitch about republicans being 'influenced by' are anti-American like Obama's pastor.

It really does not matter to me, he has enough real policy issues that he is wrong on , we don't need this, but Hillera might.

[Capitalist]

wabby has repeatedly made a fool of himself by repeating such claims. Even Bill Kristol (who is also an idiot) is man enough and bright enought to realize that this was a false story and apologize. Wabby is either a small and pitiful man or too stupid to realize that he is wrong. Either way, he is to be pitied but ignored (or laughted at).

What's wrong chickenshit, cat got your old ass Tongue?

[Yellowdogtexan]

What's wrong chickenshit, cat got your old ass Tongue?Don't worry. We also laugh you. Your legal analysis in particular is so very very funny that I am tempted to submit your posts to the legal humor pages (lawyers like to laugh at silly laypersons like you and Doc).

Again, Kristol was man enough to apologize for his stupidity. Wabby is too stupid or small of a man to do the same thing. The only real issue is how long Kristol lasts on the NYT. A number of people told the NYT that Kristol was too stupid to be allowed to post articles on the editorial page on the NYT and today Kristol did his best to prove that these critics were right about Kristol.

[Capitalist]

Don't worry. We also laugh you. Your legal analysis in particular is so very very funny that I am tempted to submit your posts to the legal humor pages (lawyers like to laugh at silly laypersons like you and Doc).

Again, Kristol was man enough to apologize for his stupidity. Wabby is too stupid or small of a man to do the same thing. The only real issue is how long Kristol lasts on the NYT. A number of people told the NYT that Kristol was too stupid to be allowed to post articles on the editorial page on the NYT and today Kristol did his best to prove that these critics were right about Kristol.

So tell me asswpe/moron... Are you really so stupid that you think Obama just heard about that shit after knowing him for 20 years?

N---- please!

[Wabash]

That is because you are a fool and an idiot as well as a very small and pitiful man. Again only a moron (and you clearly qualify) would think that the date does not matter. The sermon in question was only given on a date when Senator Obama was not in attendance. Even an idiot or moron would understand why the date matters and that is why Bill Kristol apologized for telling a clear falsehood.

Again, wabby you are a fool and idiot. You wonder why people think you are an idiot and the stupidity of the above quote is great proof of why we all laugh at you. You are also a small and pitiful man and I truly pity you.

Keep on displaying your stupidity and ignorance with that claim and we will keep on laughing at you. Again, you are too small of a man to admit that you were wrong or you too stupid to take seriously.
The story is TRUE...maybe not on the date mentioned...but Obie has known about this racist hater for 20 years...you think otherwise..than you are the small pitiful man...in actuality, the description probably fits you better than me anyway...
So tell me asswpe/moron... Are you really so stupid that you think Obama just heard about that shit after knowing him for 20 years?

N---- please!
MEGA DITTOS!!!!!!!

[Wabash]

Thing is doggie, this story is probably one of hundreds where Obie has listened to and attended a sermon by this moron!

[Yellowdogtexan]

The story is TRUE...maybe not on the date mentioned...Again, you demonstrate a level of stupidity that is really very very sad. The story is about one specific sermon. Senator Obama stated that he had not heard this particular sermon and was not aware of the statements made in this particular sermon. A liar and fraud writing for a silly publication claimed that he was at the service where this sermon was delivered and saw Senator Obama at that service. That liar was wrong and it is clear that Senator Obama was out of town on that day and did not attend services or hear this sermon. Only a fool or complete idiot would deem the date not to be relevant.

Wabby, I really hope that you are not as stupid as your comments indicate. Again, the newsmax story was solely about one particular sermon and it has been clearly established that Senator Obama was not at that service. Bill Kristol is an idiot but he is evidently far more intelligent than you are in that he recognized that this story was false and apologized. It could well be that you really too stupid to understand why the date is relevant and in that case, I pity you. Fools and idiots should be treated with pity and be the subject of serious prayer and you appear to qualify as being in great need of pity and prayer.

[Capitalist]

Again, you demonstrate a level of stupidity that is really very very sad. The story is about one specific sermon. Senator Obama stated that he had not heard this particular sermon and was not aware of the statements made in this particular sermon. A liar and fraud writing for a silly publication claimed that he was at the service where this sermon was delivered and saw Senator Obama at that service. That liar was wrong and it is clear that Senator Obama was out of town on that day and did not attend services or hear this sermon. Only a fool or complete idiot would deem the date not to be relevant.

Wabby, I really hope that you are not as stupid as your comments indicate. Again, the newsmax story was solely about one particular sermon and it has been clearly established that Senator Obama was not at that service. Bill Kristol is an idiot but he is evidently far more intelligent than you are in that he recognized that this story was false and apologized. It could well be that you really too stupid to understand why the date is relevant and in that case, I pity you. Fools and idiots should be treated with pity and be the subject of serious prayer and you appear to qualify as being in great need of pity and prayer.

Come on asshole, tell me, do you believe Obama knew about the bullshit this guy spoke before this story broke? Your not really that stupid, or are you?

What's wrong won't answer when you don't like the answer?

Pussy!

[Trueblue]

Obama didn't attend this sermon. I'm sure he's attended some sermon at some time that you or I will not agree with.

Do you think he's the only one?

Who agrees with all that they've heard in their church?

[Viki]

Obama didn't attend this sermon. I'm sure he's attended some sermon at some time that you or I will not agree with.

Do you think he's the only one?

Who agrees with all that they've heard in their church?

Nice try and even I admitted a week ago that I'd be aghast if anyone tried to hold my parishioners responsible for listening to everything I've ever preached, but the revelation of the exact nature of so many of Wright's sermons moves the conversation way beyond this question.

I can honestly say that in nearly 20 years of ministry I have only once come even close to the mildest of his comments and I was a student preacher promptly and rightly put right in my place by my supervising pastor. Passion is fine. Justice is good. Hate is never OK. Never. Not from the pulpit and not over an entire career.

Apparently even Oprah had to distance herself from this kind of preaching years ago.

[Trueblue]

Nice try and even I admitted a week ago that I'd be aghast if anyone tried to hold my parishioners responsible for listening to everything I've ever preached, but the revelation of the exact nature of so many of Wright's sermons moves the conversation way beyond this question.

I can honestly say that in nearly 20 years of ministry I have only once come even close to the mildest of his comments and I was a student preacher promptly and rightly put right in my place by my supervising pastor. Passion is fine. Justice is good. Hate is never OK. Never. Not from the pulpit and not over an entire career.

Apparently even Oprah had to distance herself from this kind of preaching years ago.

My DH listened to some of this rhetoric about black people in America-his comment was simply "he's right".

I don't like the level of anger, no. I also know that Wright is not running for President. I think that this is an opening for Hillary and McCain, rather than a real issue.

[Deadshot]

Vicki, I think you have a valid point. But, as I pointed out in another thread, MANY preachers preach hate.

Maybe it's hate of non-Christians.
Maybe it's hate of gays.
or Maybe it's hate of whites.

Whatever it is, it's hate.

Now take a look at Obama the person, is he hating on Whitey? Nah, he isn't.

So the story is a pretty moot point.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Come on asshole, tell me, do you believe Obama knew about the bullshit this guy spoke before this story broke? Your not really that stupid, or are you?Someone with your extremely silly views should not call anyone stupid or should we talk about your voter fraud funny thread (you could not defend your claims worth shit) and your attempts at reading simple legal decisions (your analysis was stupid enough to be sent to the humor page of the bar journal).

Remember, people have reviewed hundreds if not thousands of Rev. Wright's sermons to find the two clips that are being shown. However, the fact that the media has limited their clips to two clips tells me that not every sermon was controversial or disagreeable. Yes, Rev. Wright has said some controversial things and there may be a couple of sermons that Senator Obama may have attended that you and wabby (since you are both pretty stupid and bigoted) may disagree with but the vast majority do not fall into this category.

Now, bigot here is a question for you. Have you ever met or know a black person? Have you ever been to an African American church service? I have and these are different from what a bigot like may like. There are calls for social justice made by African American preachers that bigots like you and wabby may not like these calls. Calls for social justice are appropriate from these preachers.

The issue in the newsmax article is about one sermon because that sermon contain one of the attacks that has been shown by the media. Senator Obama stated that he had not attended that service and newsmax found a fool who was willing to lie and say that he saw Senator Obama at that service and both newsmax and Bill Kristol used that to call Senator Obama a liar. Well, the newsmax liar was proved to be a liar and Bill Kristol apologized for such lie. The Newsmax story has been proven to be a lie and only a fool and fraud like wabby would continue to defend this story. Again only someone very very stupid would say that the date did not matter here.

[issac the dragon]

Obama says he wasn't present when that particular sermon was given, and he never heard Wright say such things. That is interesting. He certainly heard Bill Clinton when he said Jesse Jackson had won S.Car. also. He heard it and called it a racist remark. Why that is racist I don't understand, but I'll just give Obama that one. And Obama had no trouble hearing what Ferraro said about him and his race. About 15 seconds after she said that, he was calling it a racist remark.

But he never, ever heard a single racist word form Wright. Or a single antiamerican thing. Not in twenty years. He seems to have extremely selective hearing.

[Yellowdogtexan]

It is not Kriston, at least get the fucking nake right asshole.And the word is statement and not stement. http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=17974 At least I did not post a silly typo in the title of a silly thread for the world to see. BTW, the other word is name and not nake. People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is an interesting editoral http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/03/our_friends_and_their_views.html#moreOur Pastor's Keeper
Much has been made in the past week about the words of the Rev. Jeremiah A.Wright, Jr., Barack Obama’s former pastor at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

Over the years the now retired Wright has made a number of incendiary comments. People have reacted most strongly to one he made five years ago. “The government, “said Wright”,” gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America. No, No, no. God damn America! That’s in the Bible for killing innocent people.”

Obama repudiated the remarks, calling them “inflammatory and appalling”, and “vehemently” condemned them. “They in no way reflect and directly contradict my profound love for this country.” He also added that he did not “repudiate the man” who had married him and his wife and baptized his two daughters and “brought me to Christ.”

Both Obama detractors and supporters have been asking how he could not repudiate someone who could talk that way. Do we believe in guilt by association? Do we believe, as the bible says, to blame the sin but not the sinner.

These are all important and relevant questions, questions that have cropped up much too often in this increasingly bitter campaign. This is not a new phenomenon however.

People turn to counselors, ministers, psychiatrists and spiritual advisers in times of despair, often not thinking or realizing that these people have complicated lives as well.

The very same issue came up with Bill and Hillary Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Chelsea Clinton called Jesse Jackson and asked him to come give spiritual guidance to the family. He ultimately became the Clinton family’s spiritual adviser, ministering to Hillary, Bill and Chelsea, and at Hillary’s urging developed a special counseling relationship with their daughter. Shortly after the Lewinsky story broke Jackson met with the three Clintons at the White House. They reportedly prayed and hugged one another under Jackson’s spiritual guidance.

The night before Bill Clinton was to testify before the grand jury about Monica Lewinsky, the president called Jackson and asked him to come watch the Super Bowl with him. At first Jackson begged off, citing a previous engagement, then heeded his wife’s advice. According to Jackson “My wife said, ‘your first obligation is ministerial. It is morally right.'” And he was later quoted as saying that “The relationship between a prophet and a president, the priest and the president is a sacred one.” Jackson gave Hillary Clinton a framed photograph of himself with Chelsea, which Hillary Clinton hung in her bedroom.

The Clintons did not repudiate Jackson for his earlier comments about Jews, calling them “Hymie’s” and referring to New York as “Hymietown.” Nor did they repudiate him for recognizing the PLO or Yasser Arafat, or for embracing Arafat and Syrian Preisdent Hafez Assad, or for accepting Arab money for two of his organizations. (In fact, Hillary Clinton was roundly criticized by her New York constituents for embracing Arafat’s wife at a meeting.)

Later it was revealed that while Jesse Jackson was acting as the Clinton’s spiritual adviser during this troubled time, he was having an affair with a California State University professor Karin Stanford, a former staffer, and fathered her child. According to Stanford, Jackson tried to keep it quiet by asking her to sign a confidentiality agreement and by paying money to her from his charity organizations, hardly visiting the child at all. “An angry Stanford remarked later that “black religious leaders and congregations prayed for him (Jackson) and his ‘family’ but not for our daughter (Ashley) and me.” She then said, “Coming at a time when (former) President Bill Clinton was being crucified for lying about his affair with a White House intern, my partner was praised by the media for his honesty.”

I’m sure Hillary Clinton does not support Jackson’s remarks about Jews, his relationship with the PLO or his having a child by a woman other than his wife. But clearly he was able to help her at a time, as she has admitted, of the greatest crisis of her life.

This is all by way of saying that one can get solace and support from others who are mortal and human and who make mistakes like everyone else. One can repudiate their behavior but not the people themselves.

My father, an Army general, was a conservative Republican and the closest friend of Sen. Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was like a surrogate father to me. I called him ”Uncle Barry.” I adored and admired them both. Both were great sources of wisdom and support for me throughout my life. Both were great Americans and great patriots. My father was a genuine war hero. But politically correct they were not. (Both would be over 100 years old now.) Many were the evenings when I would suffer through conversations that I found appalling. Sometimes I would roll my eyes, other times I would remonstrate them. Never, though would I have repudiated them.

I can remember one excruciating dinner at a Jewish friend’s house years ago where her parents were going on and on about the “schwartzes” (“blacks” in Yiddish). I thought she was going to crawl under the table.

And who can forget the Rev. Billy Graham’s unfortunate conversations with Richard Nixon and H.R. Haldeman about the Jews? They made anti-Semitic jokes, talked about which reporters were Jewish and how reporting had deteriorated since more Jews had become journalists. Nixon complained (on tape) that the Jews had a “stranglehold on the country” and Billy Graham responded: “If you get elected a second time then we might be able to do something.”

Billly Graham has been a spiritual adviser to our presidents for years, including Bill Clinton and our current President Bush but none of them has repudiated him.

The point is, we’ve all been there, with family, friends, or spiritual advisers.

That’s what makes Jackie Jackson’s (Jesse’s wife) remark to her husband so conflicting and so poignant. “Your first obligation is ministerial. It is morally right.”

God bless America.

[Viki]

Vicki, I think you have a valid point. But, as I pointed out in another thread, MANY preachers preach hate.

Maybe it's hate of non-Christians.
Maybe it's hate of gays.
or Maybe it's hate of whites.

Whatever it is, it's hate.

Now take a look at Obama the person, is he hating on Whitey? Nah, he isn't.

So the story is a pretty moot point.


My goodness, I don't know what congregations you're sitting in on Sunday morning, but I operate at the judicatory level of a major Christian denomination and as I've said repeatedly if any of "my" pastors were spewing hate of ANY group (including sinners!) from the pulpit I would initiate procedures which would have severe consequences for their calls to ordained ministry.

[Deadshot]

Well Vicki I can tell you that MANY pastors preach hatred. Priests within the Catholic church will tell you that gays, non-Christians and abortionists are going to Hell everyday.

I think you might be involved with a more evolved Christianity, but for most of us that type of church does not exist.

[Capitalist]

Someone with your extremely silly views should not call anyone stupid or should we talk about your voter fraud funny thread (you could not defend your claims worth shit) and your attempts at reading simple legal decisions (your analysis was stupid enough to be sent to the humor page of the bar journal).

Remember, people have reviewed hundreds if not thousands of Rev. Wright's sermons to find the two clips that are being shown. However, the fact that the media has limited their clips to two clips tells me that not every sermon was controversial or disagreeable. Yes, Rev. Wright has said some controversial things and there may be a couple of sermons that Senator Obama may have attended that you and wabby (since you are both pretty stupid and bigoted) may disagree with but the vast majority do not fall into this category.

Now, bigot here is a question for you. Have you ever met or know a black person? Have you ever been to an African American church service? I have and these are different from what a bigot like may like. There are calls for social justice made by African American preachers that bigots like you and wabby may not like these calls. Calls for social justice are appropriate from these preachers.

The issue in the newsmax article is about one sermon because that sermon contain one of the attacks that has been shown by the media. Senator Obama stated that he had not attended that service and newsmax found a fool who was willing to lie and say that he saw Senator Obama at that service and both newsmax and Bill Kristol used that to call Senator Obama a liar. Well, the newsmax liar was proved to be a liar and Bill Kristol apologized for such lie. The Newsmax story has been proven to be a lie and only a fool and fraud like wabby would continue to defend this story. Again only someone very very stupid would say that the date did not matter here.

Blah Blah Blah...

I am not even addressing the NewsMAx story. Not only do I not use NewsMax as a reference for anything, I don't even visit the sight. This has happened on several occasions where they go with something without being sure it is true.

I am saying that anyone who thinks that the first time Obama knew his preacher was a fire breathing hatefull un-american bigot, then that would make you a moron.

[Trueblue]

Blah Blah Blah...

I am not even addressing the NewsMAx story. Not only do I not use NewsMax as a reference for anything, I don't even visit the sight. This has happened on several occasions where they go with something without being sure it is true.

I am saying that anyone who thinks that the first time Obama knew his preacher was a fire breathing hatefull un-american bigot, then that would make you a moron.

Have you considered the point made by Frederick Douglass, that black people have had a different American experience?

I've heard you say so many things that are so unAmerican-for example, threatening to violently overthrow the government if you don't like decisions made by the elected representatives of the people.

[Lone Laugher]

Blah Blah Blah...

I am not even addressing the NewsMAx story. Not only do I not use NewsMax as a reference for anything, I don't even visit the sight. This has happened on several occasions where they go with something without being sure it is true.

I am saying that anyone who thinks that the first time Obama knew his preacher was a fire breathing hatefull un-american bigot, then that would make you a moron.


Yo asshole....The guy is not a hateful un-American bigot. He's a preacher who gets $$ for revving up the crowd. He's possibly fucked up Obama's campaign with his big mouth...but Obama is being tyruthful when he says he has not been present when the speeches you saw on TV were originally made. He has said that he's heard the guy say some controversial shit....but that means nothing in this case.

You are a moron for buying into the whole media blitz. Have you read or heard any of the guys sermons that don't get controversial? He's done tons of them. Do some research.


You said in another thread that you were an "objuectivist". That is pure bullshit and you know it.

[Wabash]

Yo asshole....The guy is not a hateful un-American bigot. He's a preacher who gets $$ for revving up the crowd. He's possibly fucked up Obama's campaign with his big mouth...but Obama is being tyruthful when he says he has not been present when the speeches you saw on TV were originally made. He has said that he's heard the guy say some controversial shit....but that means nothing in this case.

You are a moron for buying into the whole media blitz. Have you read or heard any of the guys sermons that don't get controversial? He's done tons of them. Do some research.


You said in another thread that you were an "objuectivist". That is pure bullshit and you know it.
Yo...Fool.....Whether you believe the Pied Piper or not....his campaign is derailed and the media is gonna be at his throat, as will I and many others...you may believe him and that is your perogative....I don't! It would be much more prudent for him to bow out gracefully....now.....than risk moving forward..

[Lone Laugher]

Wabby....quit answering my comments to your leader, Cappy.

[Wabash]

Wabby....quit answering my comments to your leader, Cappy.

Cappy is NOT my leader, I am my own leader.....and btw, he said he didn't read NewsMax for a certain reason...but he did not call me any names or disparage me in any way....there are only 3 folks on this forum that continually disparage me, even when I'm right....and even when I predict things that come to pass.....

I'll post any damn thing I want to on here....so don't be telling me what to do or not do...

[Lone Laugher]

You and your predictions.....get over yourself....they are juvenile predictions and have nothing to do with your ability to understand the issues.

Cappy is your leader. That is why tou are defending him even after he said that citing Newsmax is below him....and right at your level.

You want to play games with me again....just let me know.