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Saguaro
03-16-2008, 05:57 PM
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A YouTube audio clip of a state lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats rolling in.

"The homosexual agenda is destroying this nation, OK, it's just a fact," Rep. Sally Kern said recently to a gathering of fellow Republicans outside the Capitol.

"Studies show no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted, you know, more than a few decades. So it's the death knell in this country.

"I honestly think it's the biggest threat that our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat," she said.

The former school teacher has been a magnet for coast-to-coast condemnation, including a jab from comedian Ellen Degeneres, ever since someone posted her comments on the Internet last week. State police said they are investigating death threats against her.

Back home in the Bible Belt, though, the response has been mixed. Kern has gotten support from her fellow Republicans.

"I would submit to you that the vast majority of the folks in our caucus, particularly those who consider themselves conservative, stand with and support Sally," said state Rep. Randy Terrill.

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry, however, said Kern's views are not representative of most Oklahomans. He said politicians should "think before you speak."

"To have equated the gay community with terrorism ... and to have called us the biggest threat to America is to dehumanize gay people in the worst possible way," Denis Dison, spokesman for the Washington-based Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, said Friday.

That group's leaders fear remarks such as Kern's coming from an elected official could lead to violence against gays.

Kern, who is finishing her second term, has tried unsuccessfully to pass bills to rid libraries' children's sections of books that have homosexual themes. She told the group that school children are being indoctrinated by gay activists.

"We're not teaching facts and knowledge any more, folks," she said. "We're teaching indoctrination, OK, and they are going after our young children, as young as 2 years of age, to try to teach them a homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle."

In the same speech, she said gays are "infiltrating city councils" across the country.

"It spreads, OK, and this stuff is deadly and it's spreading and it will destroy our young people," she said. "It will destroy this nation."

Kern said she made these comments on about four different occasions to small groups of Republicans, and she thinks the recording was made at one of these meetings in January. Various recordings of it have generated more than a million hits on YouTube.

Kern's office received more than 23,000 e-mails in less than a week, mostly condemning her views, and thousands more to her home computer, many of them "vulgar, vile and profane," she said.

Kern said she has no regrets for her statements and denies she was gay-bashing. Her Christian faith teachers her to be loving to individuals, but not their lifestyle, she said.

Some people, including Degeneres, did not take her remarks that way.

"Hi, it's Ellen Degeneres, the gay one," the comedian said when she left a message in a call to Kern's office during her TV show this week.

Degeneres said she wanted to talk to Kern about some "misinformation."

"I'm trying to figure out which society has disappeared that I didn't know of," she said.

Kern said she had no interest in talking to the entertainer. "That would be like throwing myself into the lion's den and I'm not going to do that," she said Thursday.

Kern, the wife of a Baptist minister, said "everything is being played out of proportion."

Most of Kern's colleagues have steered clear of commenting on her statements, but some say the state's image is taking a beating.

"I think it is a shame those type of things tend to show that we are a people who seem not willing to look at the big picture of the world and recognize there are other people out there with other religions, other viewpoints. I think we are somewhat intolerant of that," said Rep. David Braddock, a Democrat.

Last summer, more than two dozen Oklahoma House members refused complimentary copies of the Quran from an ethnic advisory council, offending Muslims. Republican Rex Duncan led the boycott, condemning Islam as a religion and saying most Oklahomans do not endorse "the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology."

Like Kern, Duncan stood by his comments.

Rabbi Russell Fox of Oklahoma City's Emanuel Synagogue said Oklahoma is becoming more exposed to different religions and cultures and some citizens and leaders "are having a hard time making an adjustment."

Fox said he did not believe Oklahomans were necessarily less tolerant than people in other areas of the country, "but I think we have a political culture that plays upon and uses intolerance in some very unhealthy ways."

"It's demagoguery, that's the old word for it," he said.

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McLovin
03-16-2008, 06:57 PM
So, homosexuals are more threatening than terrorists?

:lmao

I may as well just start blowing shit up. :roll

Saguaro
03-16-2008, 06:59 PM
When I saw this, I just couldn't believe that absolute ignorance !

McLovin
03-16-2008, 08:58 PM
EVEN if you don't agree with homosexuality - which I know some people here don't - you honestly cannot think being gay is more threatening in this country than being a terrorist.

It just makes NO sense. :no

Saguaro
03-16-2008, 09:08 PM
I am a straight woman, and I do not understand the fear of homosexuality

McLovin
03-16-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm a not so straight woman & I understand the fear of BEING homosexual, but not the fear OF homosexuality. :lmao

Saguaro
03-16-2008, 09:24 PM
I sure didn't state that quite right :D

McLovin
03-16-2008, 09:28 PM
:lmao I understood you. :)

issac the dragon
03-17-2008, 05:07 PM
Sometimes I'm just speechless. The ignorance of some people is downright frightening. What kinds of crap do they believe about raising kids? Do they beat them when they catch them playing with themselves? Should we allow them to raise kids? I consider that kind of thinking proff of unfitness to be parents.

Should we allow them to serve in Congress? To work as cooks. To heck with the gays and lesbians, I think those people are more dangerous than terrorist. Do they wash their hands after using the toilet? If they are making your salad it matters. Stupid people should be outlawed.

issac the dragon
03-17-2008, 05:09 PM
:shock :lol If I sound like an idiot, they have driven me to it. They have finally driven me over the line.

cassandra
03-17-2008, 05:31 PM
How insane!!! I cannot imagine the idiot who believes this stuff.

McLovin
03-17-2008, 05:39 PM
How insane!!! I cannot imagine the idiot who believes this stuff.

I'm sure this gal isn't the only one - which is way sad.

But thank goodness the rationals outweigh the idiots. I think. :para

cassandra
03-17-2008, 05:40 PM
Oh I know that Lola. However, I am constantly amazed at people.

patriotsblade
03-17-2008, 05:44 PM
This is just the usual psychosis that passes for politics in Oklahoma.

Yellowdogtexan
03-19-2008, 08:38 PM
I am glad to see some people protesting this bigot. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/19/gay-activists-stage-rally-against-sally-kern/Gay and lesbian activists staged a rally yesterday against Sally Kern, the Oklahoma state representative who said gays are a “bigger threat” to our nation than terrorism and would be the “death knell” of this country. Kern has “vowed not to apologize for her remarks,” and she avoided the rally of about 300 people at the state Capitol yesterday. Kern told an Oklahoma paper that she will use “different analogies” next time:“The message of my speech would not change,” she said. “I might use different analogies.

“Just the fact that you’re talking about an agenda that someone has does not mean that you hate them,” Kern said.Robin Meyers, senior minister at Mayflower Congregational Church in Oklahoma City, said Kern’s homophobic comments are a “national embarrassment for Oklahoma.” “It is frightening to me that Sally Kern is an elected official doing the people’s business,” he said.I am encouraged that there are some Okies with sense enough to be embarassed by this homophobe.

Yellowdogtexan
04-17-2008, 05:10 PM
This homophobe and bigot is costing her town some jobs. http://www.365gay.com/Newscon08/04/041608kn.htmA major corporation is reportedly having reservations about relocating to Oklahoma City in light of comments by state Rep. Sally Kern that gays are a worse threat than terrorists.

The Journal-Record reports that Staubach, a company that helps corporations relocate, is having trouble selling the city to its client, described only as a triple-A company with more than 1,000 employees.

The paper said that the unnamed company had not made up its mind but was seriously concerned following the publicity over Kern's remarks.

"He told us straight up … ‘I cannot recommend to any of my clients that they should consider Oklahoma City because of that,'" Roy Williams, president of the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce told the Journal-Record.

"When you have one of the nation’s premier relocation experts making those statements, you should pay attention to that and not dismiss it," said Williams.

The paper also said that the Saubach representative would neither confirm nor deny that the company's CEO is a lesbian.

Rep Kern (R) made the incendiary remarks in a speech to a small gathering but did not know they were being recorded. The tape fell into the hands of The Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund which then posted it on YouTube. (story)Why would any real modern company want to move to a town full of bigots and homophobes like this silly and disgusting lady.

wreck
04-21-2008, 04:52 PM
Why would any real modern company want to move to a town full of bigots and homophobes like this silly and disgusting lady.

To her, this will be just further proof of her point. The Gay agenda blacklisting those who disagree with their position. Here you have a whole town being boycotted because of her words. She will say they will be coming to shut down the churches and lock up the preachers next.

Seems to me tolerance is in short supply on all sides these days.

Oceanbreeze
04-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Where's Ringo, Wabby, and Barton? :lmao

To compare the 2 is like apple and oranges.
The comment needs to be retracted and an apology made.