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I am stealing this topic from BBC but giving them full credit. :D
How can the West tackle extremism?
Should moderate countries form an alliance against extremism?
Tony Blair has called for moderate Muslim states to form an "alliance of moderation" to counter Iran and its influence.
At the end of his Middle East tour, Mr Blair said the world has to "wake up" to the struggle between moderation and extremism, which was the challenge of the 21st Century.
Is Tony Blair right to call for an alliance against extremism? Can he build one? Do you think the world is divided between moderates and extremists? What are your experiences?
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I agree with Mr. Blair on this. Moderate Muslims need to know they will be protected against extremism. Getting gov'ts to come together in coalitions to fight this growing problem is a good start.
The idea is good but, realistically, I think it will be hard to get many of the more moderate Middle Eastern gov'ts to agree and cooperate with each other more than they do now. It couldn't hurt to try it tho.
I don't know if Tony Blair is the right guy for the job. He is kind of impotent at this point.
Wabash
12-22-2006, 02:44 AM
Tony is retiring soon.....that's a shame too...
I agree. I like Tony Blair alot.
Tony is a good guy and smart
TrueBlue
12-22-2006, 10:15 AM
He was a pushover for Bush. If not for him, Bush might have not been so anxious to head to Iraq.
LucaBrazi
12-22-2006, 11:05 AM
The Europeans need to recognize that extremists are a problem not just for the US but for all of the west. If tomorrow the US suspended all aid to Israel and withdrew completely from the ME it would then be the Europeans who would have to deal with the problem. Some of them have even shown that terrorism works.
Madrid gets bombed and thousands of Spanish citizens are killed - their response - vote in a party which quits fighting them. If you want to change Spanish policy I guess you should just kill a bunch of them - that is the message they sent. The Pope actually apologized for remarks he paraphrased and as a world religious leader had every right to do so. The extremists prove him right when their reaction is to shoot a 70 year old nun in the back and threaten to "slit all the throats of the followers of the cross." (pssst -that means some of you Europeans) In Germany they cancel an opera because may offend some Muslim sensibilities. So much for free speech when it comes to offending any Muslims.
In the UK they have their own citizens (many) loyal to extremism but not to their country. Some Dutch cartoonists get threatened because of a comic they publish and extremists all over the Muslim world start banging their drums.
Germany has many Turks residing within the country, just as the French have very many Algerians who are not happy with the French government. They riot in the streets as it is now so how far away is it going to be for one of them to plant a car bomb near a market?
Extremism is a problem not just for the US, but a major problem for Europeans as well. Whether they get moderate Muslim nations to deal with extremism shouldn't stop them from doing what they need to do. And they would not be doing it for us, but themselves.
As to moderate Islam, unless they actually want for their governments to be run by extremists, they need to do something as well.
April15
12-22-2006, 08:38 PM
Tony is retiring soon.....that's a shame too...He got a vote of no confidence.
April15
12-22-2006, 08:40 PM
The Europeans need to recognize that extremists are a problem not just for the US but for all of the west. If tomorrow the US suspended all aid to Israel and withdrew completely from the ME it would then be the Europeans who would have to deal with the problem. Some of them have even shown that terrorism works.
Madrid gets bombed and thousands of Spanish citizens are killed - their response - vote in a party which quits fighting them. If you want to change Spanish policy I guess you should just kill a bunch of them - that is the message they sent. The Pope actually apologized for remarks he paraphrased and as a world religious leader had every right to do so. The extremists prove him right when their reaction is to shoot a 70 year old nun in the back and threaten to "slit all the throats of the followers of the cross." (pssst -that means some of you Europeans) In Germany they cancel an opera because may offend some Muslim sensibilities. So much for free speech when it comes to offending any Muslims.
In the UK they have their own citizens (many) loyal to extremism but not to their country. Some Dutch cartoonists get threatened because of a comic they publish and extremists all over the Muslim world start banging their drums.
Germany has many Turks residing within the country, just as the French have very many Algerians who are not happy with the French government. They riot in the streets as it is now so how far away is it going to be for one of them to plant a car bomb near a market?
Extremism is a problem not just for the US, but a major problem for Europeans as well. Whether they get moderate Muslim nations to deal with extremism shouldn't stop them from doing what they need to do. And they would not be doing it for us, but themselves.
As to moderate Islam, unless they actually want for their governments to be run by extremists, they need to do something as well.
I would have to agree that even we, the USA, needs to control the extreme right.
The Europeans need to recognize that extremists are a problem not just for the US but for all of the west. If tomorrow the US suspended all aid to Israel and withdrew completely from the ME it would then be the Europeans who would have to deal with the problem. Some of them have even shown that terrorism works.
Madrid gets bombed and thousands of Spanish citizens are killed - their response - vote in a party which quits fighting them. If you want to change Spanish policy I guess you should just kill a bunch of them - that is the message they sent. The Pope actually apologized for remarks he paraphrased and as a world religious leader had every right to do so. The extremists prove him right when their reaction is to shoot a 70 year old nun in the back and threaten to "slit all the throats of the followers of the cross." (pssst -that means some of you Europeans) In Germany they cancel an opera because may offend some Muslim sensibilities. So much for free speech when it comes to offending any Muslims.
In the UK they have their own citizens (many) loyal to extremism but not to their country. Some Dutch cartoonists get threatened because of a comic they publish and extremists all over the Muslim world start banging their drums.
Germany has many Turks residing within the country, just as the French have very many Algerians who are not happy with the French government. They riot in the streets as it is now so how far away is it going to be for one of them to plant a car bomb near a market?
Extremism is a problem not just for the US, but a major problem for Europeans as well. Whether they get moderate Muslim nations to deal with extremism shouldn't stop them from doing what they need to do. And they would not be doing it for us, but themselves.
As to moderate Islam, unless they actually want for their governments to be run by extremists, they need to do something as well.
I agree with your point that the Europeans are in more danger than people in America. It's sad because many of them seem not to realize it.
LucaBrazi
12-22-2006, 11:02 PM
I would have to agree that even we, the USA, needs to control the extreme right.
I suppose the extreme left is acceptable to you though.
So tell us, who exactly is the extreme right to you?
Semantics
12-22-2006, 11:14 PM
I suppose the extreme left is acceptable to you though.
So tell us, who exactly is the extreme right to you?
Looks something like this. (http://www.forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=1854)
LucaBrazi
12-23-2006, 12:01 AM
Looks something like this. (http://www.forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=1854)
I would agree with that. I just thought you were one of those who felt that anyone right of center were the far right. What about the far left? Aren't they extremists also?
Semantics
12-23-2006, 12:02 AM
I would agree with that. I just thought you were one of those who felt that anyone right of center were the far right. What about the far left? Aren't they extremists also?
Absolutely. Extremism of any variety is dangerous.
April15
12-23-2006, 12:36 PM
I suppose the extreme left is acceptable to you though.
So tell us, who exactly is the extreme right to you?Anyone that registers to vote as republican or expressis views unacceptable to me!
Doesn't that sound childish? So does your response to my first post.
His response wasn't in the least childish. You said
Originally Posted by April15 http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?p=25542#post25542)
I would have to agree that even we, the USA, needs to control the extreme right
But you never said anything about the extreme left, so he drew the reasonable conclusion that you were ok with the extreme left.
The same conclusion that I drew.
Kurtz
12-23-2006, 05:49 PM
Absolutely. Extremism of any variety is dangerous.
:clap :clap :clap
Absolutely. Extremism of any variety is dangerous.
Agree..........
Wabash
12-23-2006, 06:54 PM
He was a pushover for Bush. If not for him, Bush might have not been so anxious to head to Iraq.
That's total bullshit TB...pure unadluterated bullshit!
Wabash
12-23-2006, 06:56 PM
He got a vote of no confidence.
That's because of the leftist pussies in the UK like the ones over here!!!!!!
Wabash
12-23-2006, 07:01 PM
Well those communist(read socialist liberal) asholes that make up a lot of Europe are starting to learn with all the Muslim crap that is going on now...Hell, the Muslims make up a large % of Europe and Europe is really getting fucked up over it! Same problem as here.....apathy and socialist leftys selling out their sovereignty so "we can just get along!" What total crap that is!!!!
Kurtz
12-23-2006, 07:04 PM
That's because of the leftist pussies in the UK like the ones over here!!!!!!
Wabash, I got somethin' just for you, but I'm only wearin' it for an hour or so coz it's Christmas!! Gonna go get it.
How can the West tackle extremism?
By making it very unwise for people to engage in.
Looks like the people in Iran are beginning to see that.
It's working.
Wabash
12-23-2006, 07:06 PM
Wabash, I got somethin' just for you, but I'm only wearin' it for an hour or so coz it's Christmas!! Gonna go get it.
I don't do dildos Kurtz...no need to try it on just for me....:rofl :rofl
Kurtz
12-23-2006, 07:08 PM
I don't do dildos Kurtz...no need to try it on just for me....:rofl :rofl
That's not what your, oh, never mind, she told me not to tell. :lmao
Wabash
12-23-2006, 07:08 PM
Wabash, I got somethin' just for you, but I'm only wearin' it for an hour or so coz it's Christmas!! Gonna go get it.
Your avatar got messed up in translation too! Christians aren't pussies and never have been ...that distinction belongs soley to the Liberal crowd!!!
Wabash
12-23-2006, 07:09 PM
That's not what your, oh, never mind, she told me not to tell. :lmao
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! :lmao
Kurtz
12-23-2006, 07:12 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! :lmao
Merry Christmas, bro!!
LucaBrazi
12-24-2006, 05:02 AM
Anyone that registers to vote as republican or expressis views unacceptable to me!
Doesn't that sound childish? So does your response to my first post.
Your first post was that he (Blair) got a vote of no conficidence. Ummm . . . I didn't respond to that.
Your second was a condescending remark about extremists on the right (which you specifically metnioned), while you said nothing about the left. Ifr anyone was childish (not in their 'speaking' but in their thinking), it was you for saying that the far right was a danger but not mentioning the far left at all. If you are going to make posts like that then expect a response in kind. Do you think you can say whatever you want and not be challenged? Is that what you really want out of a forum? Seems to defeat the purpose.
Wabash
12-24-2006, 12:03 PM
April's a one track mind..........Left Turns!!!:rofl :rofl
April15
12-24-2006, 01:18 PM
His response wasn't in the least childish. You said
But you never said anything about the extreme left, so he drew the reasonable conclusion that you were ok with the extreme left.
The same conclusion that I drew.So again defensive. Reasonable people do not become conservatives.
So again defensive. Reasonable people do not become conservatives.
The "open-minded" speaks
April15
12-24-2006, 01:24 PM
Your first post was that he (Blair) got a vote of no conficidence. Ummm . . . I didn't respond to that.
Your second was a condescending remark about extremists on the right (which you specifically metnioned), while you said nothing about the left. Ifr anyone was childish (not in their 'speaking' but in their thinking), it was you for saying that the far right was a danger but not mentioning the far left at all. If you are going to make posts like that then expect a response in kind. Do you think you can say whatever you want and not be challenged? Is that what you really want out of a forum? Seems to defeat the purpose.The left is not dangerous. It is a matter of perspective. For me it is Bush and his administration that are creating the repeat of history in the ME that was precursor to bigger wars and instability in the area. So in my view it is the conservatives that are dangerous and out of touch. The extreme right is even more so. The extreme left is against everything the right is for!
As for being challenged I feel no threat.
April15
12-24-2006, 01:25 PM
April's a one track mind..........Left Turns!!!:rofl :roflTwo Wrongs, conservative, don't make it right but three lefts do!
April15
12-24-2006, 01:26 PM
The "open-minded" speaks
Never said I was open minded just that I don't have any affiliations.
Never said I was open minded just that I don't have any affiliations.
Well with your shitty way of looking at things I am certainly not surprized! :rofl
April15
12-24-2006, 07:26 PM
Well with your shitty way of looking at things I am certainly not surprized! :roflAnd bear in mind I am a self made man to boot!!!
Wabash
12-25-2006, 04:22 PM
And bear in mind I am a self made man to boot!!!
Bear in mind that your are a rarity in liberal shoes April. You have certain Conservative traits that overlap your liberalism and yet............you fight it! You spout a lot of liberal jibberish like TB, but still you are very much a part of the establishment that liberals Hate!
LucaBrazi
12-25-2006, 06:21 PM
The extreme left is against everything the right is for!
As for being challenged I feel no threat.
Do you think it is the far left agenda that won on November 7? Those new reps were moderates who have more in common with moderate conservatives than the looney left like Rangel and Pelosi. A good thing that will come out of this election is that the members of the far left are now going to be known by mainstream America and they will not like it one bit. Hopefully they have been given enough rope to hang themselves. It already started the day after when Carville called for Dean to step down and hand over reigns to Harold Ford Jr. Even the moderate lefties don't like the far left.
Wabash
12-25-2006, 06:30 PM
Where does that leave April...in Limbo?????:ohyeah :ohyeah
April15
12-25-2006, 06:51 PM
Bear in mind that your are a rarity in liberal shoes April. You have certain Conservative traits that overlap your liberalism and yet............you fight it! You spout a lot of liberal jibberish like TB, but still you are very much a part of the establishment that liberals Hate!You're not supposed to notice!!!
April15
12-25-2006, 06:57 PM
Do you think it is the far left agenda that won on November 7? Those new reps were moderates who have more in common with moderate conservatives than the looney left like Rangel and Pelosi. A good thing that will come out of this election is that the members of the far left are now going to be known by mainstream America and they will not like it one bit. Hopefully they have been given enough rope to hang themselves. It already started the day after when Carville called for Dean to step down and hand over reigns to Harold Ford Jr. Even the moderate lefties don't like the far left.I believe the Nov election was a referrendum for bush. Moderates are what needs to be in place, not extremes from either way. Cooperation will yield answers and deal with problems far better than any extreme can. Hopefully the consortium of moderates will bring unity to American politics and world policies.
At least that was what I voted for.
TrueBlue
12-27-2006, 10:45 AM
I believe the Nov election was a referrendum for bush. Moderates are what needs to be in place, not extremes from either way. Cooperation will yield answers and deal with problems far better than any extreme can. Hopefully the consortium of moderates will bring unity to American politics and world policies.
At least that was what I voted for.
:clap
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