Ohio and Texas economies and the election

[Capitalist]

I have a question to ask and yes it is a trap but humor me...

Texas has created 2 million new jobs the last 7 years and Ohio has lost jobs, lots of them.

Can anyone postulate what is the difference between the 2 states?

Why is Ohio doing so poorly economically?

Both states are basically run by republicans for most of the last 7 years, whats the difference?

[toxic]

First, I would be interested to see WTF claims we have added that many jobs 2Mil jobs in 24M total population.

You see, jobs are still scarce here, so what does that tell you was happening in 2000-2006 around Texas?????
But I can see that Texas has improved somewhat in the last 3 years.

1) Texas (Dallas Area) was in a depression several years ago. Dallas had tried to make itself the Telcom center and then all the Telcom companies pulled out and went to China.
2) Defense work and Government Jobs have increased in the last 2-3 years.
3) Many new construction jobs briefly materialized, but have now disappeared. I suspect this decline is not counted.
4) Illegal immigrant jobs.
5) Labor costs have plummeted with the influx of immigrants. Here are several examples from the local Unemployment Office:

Compter Numerical Control (CNC) Machine Operator
Job Posting ID: 2512861
Job Site Address: WYLIE, Texas 75098
Machine shop in Wylie has opening for CNC Operator. Must have exp. operating any sort of CNC. Need to pass drug test and criminal background check.
10.56 / Hour Maximum Pay: $10.56 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Temp OR Temp to Hire Shift: Evenings (Second)

Machine Operator
Job Posting ID: 8901034
Job Site Address: WYLIE, Texas 75098
Machine shop in Wylie in need of T-Lathe operator. Must have exp. operating any sort of lathe machine. Train on 1st shift then move to 2nd shift. Must pass criminal background and drug test.
$10.56 / Hour Maximum Pay: $10.56 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Temp OR Temp to Hire Shift: Evenings (Second)

INDUSTIRAL MAINT. MECHANIC
Job Posting ID: 4735515
Job Site Address: CARROLLTON, Texas 75002
Maintains and repair all mechanical, hydraulic and pneumatic equipment, machines, and tools. Installation of new or modified equipment. Troubleshoots all mechanical, hydraulic and pneumatic systems. Maintains plant facilities, building grounds, and utility systems as to safety requirements. Perform mechanical preventative maintenance of all equipment as assigned. Maintain parts supply for use in equipment. May fabricated or modify machines or equipment for new or existing products. Be able to do needed construction, pipe filling and welding. Maintain all plant HVAC equipment. Be able to read blueprints, hydraulic and pneumatic schematic circuits. Be able to do pipe fitting and layout work, along with light construction and welding
$13.00 / Hour Maximum Pay: $16.00 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Regular Shift: Days (First)

Project Manager
Job Posting ID: 2512897
Job Site Address: MCKINNEY, Texas 75071
Project Manager is responsible for receiving job package from Engineering Dept. for complex industrial process systems. PM takes all actions to insure timely completion of project. PM is primary interface to both customer and supplier, and performs all procurement & purchasing functions for material and components required for the job. Coordinates with Production Manager to ship project complete and ontime.No RIO
Minimum Pay: $35,000.00 / Year Maximum Pay: $48,000.00 / Year Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Regular Shift: Days (First)

Freight Claims Coordinator
Job Posting ID: 6704928
Job Site Address: RICHARDSON, Texas 75081
Richardson company needs Freight Claims Coordinator for evaluation hire. Hours Mon-Fri 8am-5pm. Must be capable of multi-tasking, have good organizational skills and customer service skills. Must be proficient in Microsoft Excel and Word (AS400 a plus). Need the ability to create metrics and analyze data, take initiative and solve problems with excellent business communication skills.
$12.00 / Hour Maximum Pay: $14.00 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Temp OR Temp to Hire Shift: Days (First)
Use Spreadsheet Software (Lotus, Excel, etc), Word Processing Software (MS Word, etc)

Accounts Payable/Accounts Receivable Clerk.
Job Posting ID: 6058166
Job Site Address: RICHARDSON, Texas 75081
Company looking for Accounting Clerk full time. Pay range 12-$13/HR per hour. 8:00am-5:00 pm. Job responsibilites include: basic bookkeeping knowledge (i.e. a/p, a/r, p.o.'s, etc.), 10 key skills, filing, mail, phones Must have basic MS Office Word & Excel.
$12.00 / Hour Maximum Pay: $13.00 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Temp OR Temp to Hire Shift: Days (First
Use Spreadsheet Software (Lotus, Excel, etc), Word Processing Software (MS Word, etc)

Run a Track Loader
Job Posting ID: 6058196
Job Site Address: RICHARDSON, Texas 75080
Run a track loader
Experience / Education: 8 yrs 0 mos
10.00 / Hour Maximum Pay: $10.00 / Hour Workweek: Full Time - 30 hours or more per week Duration: Temp OR Temp to Hire Shift: Days (First)
Class C - Standard Driver's License License State: Texas

[sparks]

I believe NAFTA has helped Texas while it has hurt Ohio.

[toxic]

I believe NAFTA has helped Texas while it has hurt Ohio.

No, not at all. Please explain what businesses benefit, except from illegal immigrants hitching a ride on the trucks?

There are very few businesses that benefit from a Mexican Truck, crossing the border and driving to Oklahoma City, St Louis or Chicago.

Please think about it, before you accept anyone's statement to that effect.

Hillary and Obama both praised NAFTA success in Laredo, TX. That is BS. Several years ago there was some warehouseing that was done before Mexican Trucks were allowed into Texas. That is no longer the case.

Today, the biggest boom in El Paso, Del Rio, Laredo, Brownsville is the construction of border Land Ports, immigrant Detention Centers, businesses that utilize Illegals, drug and human trafficing.

[Capitalist]

The difference can be found is just a few things, but they make all the difference.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/economic_differences_between_texas_and_ohio_illust rate_the_problems_with_li/

[toxic]

Nawwwwwwwwwwww ...

Come-on, Bush changed the formula for "manufacturing jobs" to include those that "manufacture" hamburgers and tacos in fast food restraunts.

Texas has a huge border and several large Sea/Land ports compared to Ohio's lake front property. Apparently, we get to claim "exports" for all that passes through our border and/or is shipped across the border for labor and then returned. (Are Texas "imports" also greater than Ohio?)

Yes, we have had domestic migration, particularly from that mental wasteland known as New Orleans.

The unemployment would measure lower, because unemployment benefits have expired or were never taken by those too proud to accept them.

Per capita income growth is less relevant than ACTUAL INCOME. You saw the typical pay range is $10-$15 per hour here.

[Lone Laugher]

How simple it all is Cappy! Not.

Where are most of Texas' exports going? Do you know?

Does the word "maquiladora" mean anything to you?

It just isn't so simple.

[toxic]

How simple it all is Cappy! Not.

Where are most of Texas' exports going? Do you know?

Does the word "maquiladora" mean anything to you?

It just isn't so simple.


The maquiladora plans have a unique characteristic.

Products leaving the USA to them ARE counted as an Export, but finished goods coming back ARE NOT counted as an Import.

[Capitalist]

Nawwwwwwwwwwww ...

Come-on, Bush changed the formula for "manufacturing jobs" to include those that "manufacture" hamburgers and tacos in fast food restraunts.

Texas has a huge border and several large Sea/Land ports compared to Ohio's lake front property. Apparently, we get to claim "exports" for all that passes through our border and/or is shipped across the border for labor and then returned. (Are Texas "imports" also greater than Ohio?)

Yes, we have had domestic migration, particularly from that mental wasteland known as New Orleans.

The unemployment would measure lower, because unemployment benefits have expired or were never taken by those too proud to accept them.

Per capita income growth is less relevant than ACTUAL INCOME. You saw the typical pay range is $10-$15 per hour here.


So in your mind all the taxation and regulation in Ohio has nothing to do with it?

And fucking please stop with the burger flipper counted as manufacturing job bullshit.

[Capitalist]

How simple it all is Cappy! Not.

Where are most of Texas' exports going? Do you know?

Does the word "maquiladora" mean anything to you?

It just isn't so simple.

I as you, do you think that taxes , regulation and unions have nothing to do with it?

You guys just let the fucking point fly right over your heads. Of course if you would raise your head up from Obama's lap you might figure something out.

[toxic]

So in your mind all the taxation and regulation in Ohio has nothing to do with it?

And fucking please stop with the burger flipper counted as manufacturing job bullshit.

Cappy, ease down.

You are aware Bush and the Dept of Labor made that change about hamburger manufacturing - right? I mean I can document it.

True Unions are less welcome in Texas, but don't believe that makes costs cheaper. I have worked at both Unionized and Non-union businesses. The most inefficient business I worked had extraordinarily RELAXED working conditions for hourly workers. I'd be lucky to get 5 hours work out of them and you couldn't get anyone of them fired either. At the Unionized business I worked at, all the employees kept track of who screwed up or wasn't working and would complain both to mgt and the stewards. It was a much more professional place.

BTW, it would be better of the data "years" matched and there was all the data from both states. Cherry picked data is misleading.