McCain supporter calls the Catholic Church the "great whore" and "anti-christ"

[Yellowdogtexan]

Senator Obama went out of his way to rebuke and reject the views of Farrakan and yet mccain is accepting the support and is not rebuking the views of an idiot who has equally silly views. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180846.phpMcCain's statement on Hagee, his new endorser, who calls the Catholic Church the "great whore" and "anti-christ" ... "Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not.

"I am hopeful that Catholics, Protestants and all people of faith who share my vision for the future of America will respond to our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society."So he welcomes Hagee's endorsement for president, though that doesn't mean he agree with all his views.

Let's run down some specifics.

Hagee says that if America presses Israel allow the Palestinians to found a state in the West Bank and Gaza God will "release the terrorists" to come to America to create a "bloodbath." (See this video, at approximately time mark 3:00)

Hagee says that God brought the Katrina disaster down on New Orleans because of a planned "homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came ... that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades."

Then there's Hagee on why the Jews have had such a rough time of it for the last couple thousand years ...
"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day....

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people." ["Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War", paperback edition, pages 92 and 93]I tthink that with supporters like this, mccain can forget about the Jewish vote.

Anyway, there is a double standard here. McCain is welcoming a nut case whose views are extreme and who is a worse hater than the leader rebuked and rejected by Senator Obama.

[issac the dragon]

The man apparently has no moral compass. I wouldn't let that man in the same room with me. What's that old saying, "lay down with dogs, and get up with fleas?"

[Yellowdogtexan]

I love it when one agent of intolerance gets mad at other agents of intolerance. Bill Donohue (a real piece of work) is mad at McCain for accepting and not rejecting the endorsement of Hagee. http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1394 Yesterday, Catholic League president Bill Donohue criticized Senator John McCain for embracing Rev. John Hagee; the Texas minister has a long record of Catholic bashing. Referring to Hagee’s endorsement on Wednesday, McCain reiterated his position on Thursday saying he was “pleased” to “have received the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee.”

Interestingly, the Hagee endorsement didn’t sit well with presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee; he expressed his “disappointment and surprise” with Hagee for not choosing him.

Donohue weighed in on this today:

“If Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama were fighting over the support of Louis Farrakhan, we’d say they’re nuts. So what are we to conclude about McCain’s embrace of Hagee, and Huckabee’s lament for not getting the bigot’s endorsement?

“I am pleased to have the unsolicited support of Rabbi Irwin Kula, president of the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership; he is one of the nation’s most prominent Jewish leaders. Here is what he told me: ‘We Jews should know best, from our own history, that looking away and ignoring someone’s hate and bigotry because it is pointed at another group and not at us is short-sighted and wrong…Jews as well as all Americans need to make equal demands of our political leaders to renounce support from bigots and hate-mongers.’ He concludes by imploring McCain to ‘reject Pastor Hagee’s hate whatever the political calculations and consequences.’ [To read Kula’s entire statement, click here.]

“Just this week, McCain repudiated the remarks of talk radio host Bill Cunningham. He should now repudiate Hagee’s long record of bashing Catholicism. After all, George W. Bush apologized for speaking at Bob Jones University, and Hagee makes Jones look like a lightweight in the ring of bigotry.”
I am not a South Park fan but my kids got me to watch an episode called "The Hare Clue for Men" which feature Donohue and was really very very funny. I love the fact that one agent for intolerance is made at McCain for accepting the endorsement of an even worse agent of intolerance.

[Saguaro]

:lmao anit-Christ, the Catholic church, now that is REALLY funny.

[Sweet Tart]

Hagee :twitch

[Yellowdogtexan]

Hagee :twitchHagee is clearly McCain's equivalent of Louis Farrakhan

[Yellowdogtexan]

Glenn Greenwald does a good job of listing some of the positions of this McCain supporter. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.htmlHere is just a small sampling of the belief system of this welcomed McCain supporter:

* All Muslims are programmed to kill and we can thus never negotiate with any of them. From an NPR interview Hagee gave to Terry Gross in 2006:TG: If you use the Bible as the basis for policy, is there any room for compromise? And if you use the bible as the basis for policy, should Muslims use the Koran as the basis for their policy, and then again, what possible basis is there for compromise at that point?

JH: There is really no room for compromise between radical Islam --

TG: I'm not talking about radical Islam. I'm just talking about Islam in general.

JH: Well Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews.* God caused Hurricane Katrina to wipe out New Orleans because it had a gay pride parade the week before and was filled with sexual sin. From the same interview:JH: All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades.

So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the Day of Judgment, and I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.
* The End Times -- Rapture -- is imminent and the U.S. Government must do what it can to hasten it, which at minimum requires: (a) a war with Iran and (b) undying, absolute support for a unified Israel, including all Occupied Territories (hence, Joe Lieberman's love affair with them). From Christian Palestinian Daoud Kuttab in The New York Times (h/t PZ Meyers):A small minority of evangelical Christians have entered the Middle East political arena with some of the most un-Christian statements I have ever heard. . . . [Rev.] Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon (which will mean the death of most Jews, in his eyes) and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West.So far the press is treating this endorsement very different than they treated the Obama campaign incident with Farrakhan. Hagee is the right wing chrisitan eqivalent of Farrakhan and McCain deserves the same treatment and questions as asked about Obama

[Trueblue]

He'll get those questions, I just wonder if they'll receive the same response from the public.

Every poster here rejects Farrakhan's message, for example, but we have several posters who will whole-heartedly agree with Hagee's opinions expressed here.

[Ringo]

He'll get those questions, I just wonder if they'll receive the same response from the public.

Every poster here rejects Farrakhan's message, for example, but we have several posters who will whole-heartedly agree with Hagee's opinions expressed here.Grab YDT for a dance TB, we will call it the Idiot Waltz!!:mw:mw:band Oh wait this more your speed!!:violin

[Cookie Parker]

SSDD guys....republicans are losing their base because of this hypocrisy and stupidity..it's like them telling everyone the economy is strong and jobs not surfacing to keep up with gas prices....

SSDD...delusional heads up butts republicanism....no more, no less.

[Capitalist]

Hagee is clearly McCain's equivalent of Louis Farrakhan

Except no one knows who the fuck he is.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Except no one knows who the fuck he is.Just because you are ignorant of this man does not mean that the rest of the country is. Here is some more to help inform you about Pator Hagee http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/eveningnews/main3894660.shtml?source=mostpop_story Today, it was Republican frontrunner John McCain's turn to answer mounting questions about one of his supporters, Rev. John Hagee, a San Antonio pastor with a worldwide broadcast ministry, reports CBS News senior political correspondent Jeff Greenfield.

Hagee has offered some highly provocative views on a variety of subjects.

For instance, he linked Hurricane Katrina to the gay rights movement: " … All of the city was punished because of the sin that happened there in that city."

He has also denounced the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore of Babylon" and "a cult." He blames it for the Holocaust and predicts its imminent demise.

"This is the apostate church," Hagee said. " … this false religious system is going to be totally devoured by the anti-Christ."

In a statement, Catholics United said: "We hope Senator McCain will take the principled position of publicly and unequivocally distancing himself from Pastor Hagee's anti-Catholic comments."

And Bill Donahue of the Catholic League offered a tougher view: "I do want a clear-cut statement from McCain saying that he knows Catholics have been offended, when this man hagee calls my religon the great whore and a false cult system." ....

The question is whether Pastor Hagee's view on the Catholic Church constitutes "a position" or a view that the presumptive Republican nominee has to address head on.

This dust-up may also make it a lot tougher for Republicans to criticize Barack Obama for some of his more controversial supporters.Bill Donohue is good at getting press and is not going to drop this issue.

[Trueblue]

“If Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama were fighting over the support of Louis Farrakhan, we’d say they’re nuts. So what are we to conclude about McCain’s embrace of Hagee, and Huckabee’s lament for not getting the bigot’s endorsement?

He's actually right about this.

[Trueblue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA

A good video. Why does Mc:cane want this man's support?

[Saguaro]

It seems to me that McCain will take anyone's endorsment

[Capitalist]

He'll get those questions, I just wonder if they'll receive the same response from the public.

Every poster here rejects Farrakhan's message, for example, but we have several posters who will whole-heartedly agree with Hagee's opinions expressed here.

Really, who would that be?

[Capitalist]

This is a bullshit non-issue.

You want to start doing this for every nutbag that supports Obama or Hillera?

Do any of you honestly think McCain supports any of that crazy shit?

Beside none of you would vote for him anyway, no one who takes this seriously woulf vote for him, so basically he can say fuck you.

[Trueblue]

Nope, you are wrong. Mc:cane solicited this man's approval. Think about it.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Do any of you honestly think McCain supports any of that crazy shit?Why did McCain solicit and meet with Hagee in order to get this endorsement? McCain is a little weak with the social conservative branch of the GOP (in case you were not aware of this concept, the reagan coalition is composed of three legs or branches (i) social conservatives, (ii) defense conservatives and (iii) eoncomic conservatives). Mccain sought and met with Hagee to get this endorsement in order to improve his standing with the social conservatives. In fact both mccain and huckabee were competing for this recommendation and Mccain won out.

The concept that Mccain is not supporting this crazy shit is not believeable if one realizes that Mccain sought out and even interviewed for the support of this man

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is amusing. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/pelosi-blasts-mccain-over_n_90302.htmlSpeaker Nancy Pelosi, the most prominent Catholic serving in the U.S. government, called on Sen. John McCain to reject the endorsement of Texas televangelist John Hagee, who has labeled the Catholic church "the great whore," a "false cult system," and linked it to Hitler's Nazi movement.

"That behavior is outside the circle of civilized debate in our democracy," Pelosi said during a Thursday conference call. "I certainly think John McCain should reject his endorsement and I'm sure it won't be long before he does."

McCain has come under heavy fire from Catholic groups across the political spectrum for appearing with Hagee last week and declaring he was "proud" of the endorsement. Subsequently, McCain told reporters that Hagee's backing "does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes," but added, "I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people." [See video of Hagee speaking about Catholicism here.]

But several Catholic groups insist that McCain should specifically condemn Hagee's "hate speech" about Catholicism. Bill Donohue, president of the conservative Catholic League, charged in a statement that McCain "has shown horrendous judgment in buddying up to this bigot and spin doctor." The progressive group Catholics United yesterday circulated remarks from McCain in 2000 condemning the "strong anti-Catholic statements" of Bob Jones.

Catholics were a key voting bloc for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004, supporting him over Democratic rivals Al Gore and fellow Catholic John Kerry.

On Thursday, Pelosi also used President Bush's White House ceremony with McCain to tee off on the GOP nominee. Bush's endorsement "was appropriate," she said, "because [McCain] has endorsed whatever George Bush has wanted, whether it's his failed economic policies, or his failed policy in Iraq."

[Viki]

Although there isn't one televangelist with whose theological bent I agree, I regularly click in and get the lay of the fundie land - in fact I think I'll do this more and more as the younger generation takes the reigns because a lot of them get the Jesus event in ways that are not sexist, homophobic, right-wing crazy - BUT all of this is to say that I never, EVER watch Hagee - his gospel/good news is ALL about hate and intolerance - there is NO :theman in it .... NONE!

[Yellowdogtexan]

Mcsame is backing down a little. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/mccain_rejects_hagees_anticath.phpJohn McCain is now starting to inch away from the support of televangelist John Hagee — known for his eager anticipation of Armageddon, plus his inflammatory comments against the Catholic Church and other groups — now that the press has noticed the problem here.

"We've had a dignified campaign, and I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics," McCain told the Associated Press. "I sent two of my children to Catholic school. I categorically reject and repudiate any statement that was made that was anti-Catholic, both in intent and nature."

McCain said he was responding to yesterday's criticism from Nancy Pelosi, describing Pelosi's censure of Hagee's views and McCain's association with Hagee as an "attack."

However, it still sounds like McCain accepts Hagee's endorsement but rejects his views only insofar as they might be anti-Catholic.The old john mccain is gone and you can see what happens when you sell your soul to the bushies. You get stupid positions like I sought and am happy with the endorsement of Hagee but reject any of his comments that the press does not like.

[Capitalist]

Mcsame is backing down a little. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/mccain_rejects_hagees_anticath.phpThe old john mccain is gone and you can see what happens when you sell your soul to the bushies. You get stupid positions like I sought and am happy with the endorsement of Hagee but reject any of his comments that the press does not like.

Do you want to hold Obama to the same standard?

[Yellowdogtexan]

Do you want to hold Obama to the same standard?Your ignorance is amusing. Senator Obama was clear about his position on Rev. Farrakhan. He both rejected and repudiated the man and did not seek his support. Remember McCain both interviewed for Hagee's endorsement and appeared in a press conference with Hagee after getting that endorsement.

[Capitalist]

Your ignorance is amusing. Senator Obama was clear about his position on Rev. Farrakhan. He both rejected and repudiated the man and did not seek his support. Remember McCain both interviewed for Hagee's endorsement and appeared in a press conference with Hagee after getting that endorsement.

I am not talking about Farrakhan, although I am curious why you put Rev in front of a muslim cleric's name?

I am taking about his own minister at his own church.

If ignorance is so amusing you must spend the day in laughter.

[Trueblue]

Capitalist, you are grasping at straws here.

Obama did not go out and solicit his minister's approval. Obama liked his minister to an old uncle you love who sometimes says embarrassing things.

Mc:cane solicited Hagee's endorsement.

[Viki]

Capitalist, you are grasping at straws here.

Obama did not go out and solicit his minister's approval. Obama liked his minister to an old uncle you love who sometimes says embarrassing things.

Mc:cane solicited Hagee's endorsement.


Oh my, yes, I'd hate to think all of the parishioners I've served over the last 15 years were being held responsible for everything I've ever said publicly, just because I am or was once their pastor...

[Trueblue]

Oh my, yes, I'd hate to think all of the parishioners I've served over the last 15 years were being held responsible for everything I've ever said publicly, just because I am or was once their pastor...

:snicker :D

[Yellowdogtexan]

mccain interviewed for and solicited the endorsement of hagee. Now mccain is also trying to get the support of another equally repugnant group of right wing nut cases. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/07/mccain-cnp/ Last month, hard-line conservative Pastor John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel, announced his support for Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) candidacy for president. Despite Hagee’s numerous bigoted remarks — including his claim that the Catholic church is “the Great Whore” and a “false cult system” — McCain said that he was “very honored” by the endorsement.

McCain is continuing his tradition of courting the bigoted right-wing fringe. This afternoon, McCain addressed the Council for National Policy (CNP) in New Orleans in a “make-or-break pitch” for support from the secretive, ultra-conservative group that describes itself as a “self-selected, conservative counterweight” against “liberal domination of the American agenda.” McCain advisor Charlie Black said McCain “was anxious to appear” in front of the group.

CNP was founded in 1981 by Rev. Tim LaHaye, “an early Christian conservative organizer and the best-selling author of the ‘Left Behind’ novels about an apocalyptic Second Coming,” and fellow Christian conservative Paul Weyrich. Like Hagee, the group and its members have at times expressed and encouraged radical and intolerant views: – LeHaye once said that Catholicism is a “false religion” and called popes “antichrists.”

– Weyrich has claimed that CNP is a group of “radicals working to overturn the present power structure in this country.”

– A speaker received a standing ovation at one CNP meeting when he suggested that AIDS was a sign from God that homosexuality was an “abomination.”Because the group is shrouded in secrecy, its official roster is unknown. However, in 1998, the Institute for First Amendment Studies obtained a CNP member list, which contained many right-wing Christian leaders who have a history of extremist remarks, including Pat Roberton, James Dobson and the late Jerry Falwell.

McCain is no stranger to pandering to the extreme religious right when it suits his political needs. In a 2000 speech, he referred to Falwell and Robertson as “agents of intolerance.” Yet he repudiated that remark in 2006 and later delivered a commencement address at Falwell’s Liberty University. mccain is weak with the right wing religious nut cases who control the GOP. As such he is both interviewing for and soliciting the support of these nut cases despite their extreme views

[Trueblue]

Oh, I think I know who the great whore is.

http://dragonballyee.blogs.com/philly/images/mccain_hugs_bush_500.jpg

[Yellowdogtexan]

Mccain is defending his new best friend. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/mccain_hagee_assured_us_his_wo.phpJohn McCain has now made his position clearer on John Hagee: He stands by Hagee's support, even if his words have created the "impression" of being anti-Catholic.

Think Progress reports that McCain was asked today about some of Hagee's inflammatory comments about the Catholic Church, during an appearance on Bill Bennett's radio show.

"Well, obviously I repudiate any comments that are anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic, racist, any other," McCain said. "And I condemn them and I condemn those words that Pastor Hagee apparently — that Pastor Hagee wrote. I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position. I hope that maybe you'd give him a chance to respond."

McCain also added a defense of Hagee: "I will say, I'd like to say on his behalf, he's been a very strong supporter of the state of Israel and when we were doing the No Surrender tour, he came and spoke on behalf of not surrendering in Iraq."Just like his idol, bush, Mccain has looked into the soul of Hagee and decided that he was not antt-catholic. This worked so well for bush with putin that Mccain is trying the same trick with this hate monger

[Trueblue]

I can't believe Mc:cane thinks that will work. :roll

[Yellowdogtexan]

If the repugs run attacks ads using Rev. Wright, then it will be fair game to run similar ads using Hagee's comments.

[Viki]

If the repugs run attacks ads using Rev. Wright, then it will be fair game to run similar ads using Hagee's comments.

Ads don't matter to me, but as Morning Joe commented, the comparison between Obama's intimate 20-year relationship with Wright and McCain's passing familiarity with Hagee isn't even in the same universe.

What is true is that they (Wright and Hagee) both preach a gospel of laced with hate.

[Trueblue]

Ads don't matter to me, but as Morning Joe commented, the comparison between Obama's intimate 20-year relationship with Wright and McCain's passing familiarity with Hagee isn't even in the same universe.

What is true is that they (Wright and Hagee) both preach a gospel of laced with hate.

Well I don't agree with you and Joe. :D

McCane courted Hagee's endorsement.

Hagee says that Katrina was God's wrath on NOLA.

Wright says that 9/11 was the result of our foreign policy.

I'm sure Hillary supporters see this as an opening, and they may be right. But for this decision to hinge on such an issue is simply wrong.

[Viki]

Well I don't agree with you and Joe. :D

McCane courted Hagee's endorsement.

Hagee says that Katrina was God's wrath on NOLA.

Wright says that 9/11 was the result of our foreign policy.

I'm sure Hillary supporters see this as an opening, and they may be right. But for this decision to hinge on such an issue is simply wrong.


Friend, I think it's disingenuous of you not to admit the difference in relationship (not the difference on message, on that I totally agree). Obama likewise courted Wright... over 20 years!

[Trueblue]

Friend, I think it's disingenuous of you not to admit the difference in relationship (not the difference on message, on that I totally agree). Obama likewise courted Wright... over 20 years!

I absolutely see the difference, I just don't believe that McCain's seeking this endorsement is inconsequential.

[issac the dragon]

I agree with you April. Obama had a very close relationship with Wright, by choice, and I don't doubt that they still talk. The latter I wouldn't hold against him at all. They are friends. I'd stick by a friend even if others were attacking him. Maybe even if I thought he was wrong myself. Actually I was married to and loved very much a wonderful man who was a bigot. But he never said a bigoted word around me. Because he respected me. I knew what he was from family.

Wright was not Obama's uncle. Obama chose to associate with him. And maybe they had an agreement that hate wasn't preached when Obama attended his church. Obama did a lot of planning from early on. He could have covered that little problem real easy. I do not believe that Obama did not know Wright was a bigot, and unamerican.

[Viki]

I absolutely see the difference, I just don't believe that McCain's seeking this endorsement is inconsequential.

I see McCain's "courting" as his attempt to appeal to the evangelical base that hates him. Yuck. As I've said before, for research reasons I watch a lot of TV preachers, but Hagee I flip right through... his entire message is hate (which I don't think Wright's is and if it is at least he has a reason).

[Trueblue]

I see McCain's "courting" as his attempt to appeal to the evangelical base that hates him. Yuck. As I've said before, for research reasons I watch a lot of TV preachers, but Hagee I flip right through... his entire message is hate (which I don't think Wright's is and if it is at least he has a reason).

McCain could have courted somebody else to reach those folks.

[Viki]

McCain could have courted somebody else to reach those folks.

Sure, he's probably courting lots of folk. I'm not defending McCain, just noting the similarities and differences to what Obama has done.

[jim]

Sure, he's probably courting lots of folk. I'm not defending McCain, just noting the similarities and differences to what Obama has done.


Worthy of note:coffee

[Yellowdogtexan]

According to Hagee, mccain sought out his endorsement. http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=18225 In an interview that will appear in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine, controversial televangelist Rev. John Hagee declares, "It's true that [John] McCain's campaign sought my endorsement."

McCain has attempted to distance himself from some of Hagee's views, much as Barack Obama is doing in relation to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But unlike McCain, Obama has not stood on stage with Wright and accepted his accolades this year.

Interviewed by Deborah Solomon, Hagee refused to discuss his statement that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for a gay rights parade in New Orleans, calling it "so far off-base." He claims, "Our church is not hard against the gay people. Our church teaches what the bible teaches, that it is not a righteous lifestyle. But of course we must love even sinners."

He also said that charges that he had bashed the Catholic Church ("false cult system," etc.) have been "grossly mischaracterized....I was referring to those Christians who ignore the Gospels."
Given that McCain sought and even interviewed for Hagee's endorsment, it is as fair to use Hagee's views against Mccain as it is to use Rev. Wrights views against Senator Obama.

[sparks]

According to Hagee, mccain sought out his endorsement. http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=18225Given that McCain sought and even interviewed for Hagee's endorsment, it is as fair to use Hagee's views against Mccain as it is to use Rev. Wrights views against Senator Obama.

Oh hell, let's just have a fucking free for all and keep the public totally distracted from anything else!

[Trueblue]

Oh hell, let's just have a fucking free for all and keep the public totally distracted from anything else!

:werd

Let's talk about the really important issues!

Hillary wears granny panties!

McCain wears tighty whities!

Obama goes Commando!

Huckabee wears Depends!

[Saguaro]

:lmao

[sparks]

:werd

Let's talk about the really important issues!

Hillary wears granny panties!

McCain wears tighty whities!

Obama goes Commando!

Huckabee wears Depends!

Now see! I soooooooo would have taken McOldFart for the Depends type 'o' guy instead of Huckabee! :rofl

And somehow Obama in Commando's sounds sexy! :yep
Ever notice how long Obama's fingers are? :think

[Yellowdogtexan]

Hardball is having a segment on this pastor and played some of his worse quotes. The fact that Mccain interviewed and asked for this guy's endorsment is being used as justification to attribute this guys views to mccain

[sparks]

Hardball is having a segment on this pastor and played some of his worse quotes. The fact that Mccain interviewed and asked for this guy's endorsment is being used as justification to attribute this guys views to mccain

I'm always curious why the "worst" quotes aren't contrasted by the "best" quotes. Wouldn't that be a more fair representation of a complete person?

Of course news outlets sell sensationalizm...not necessarily complete coverage.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I am a member of reform judaism and was pleased to see this release. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3527078,00.htmlThe leader of the largest branch of American Judaism said Wednesday that synagogues in the movement shouldn't work with the Rev. John Hagee, a Christian Zionist, calling him an "extremist" on Israeli policy who disparages other faiths.

Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, said Hagee and his group, Christians United For Israel, reject any Israeli land concessions to achieve peace with the Palestinians.

Reform Judaism supports creating a Palestinian state; Hagee sees a biblical mandate for the territory so End Times prophecy can be fulfilled.

Yoffie also condemned Hagee's views on Roman Catholicism and Islam. The San Antonio pastor has suggested that Catholic anti-Semitism shaped Adolf Hitler, among other comments.....

"On Israeli-Palestinian politics, John Hagee and the CUFI are extremists," Yoffie said, in a speech to Reform rabbis meeting in Cincinnati. "In expressing contempt for other religions and rejecting territorial compromise under any and all circumstances, their views run against the American grain."Rabbi Yoffie is a great speaker and I agree with his comments about Hagee.

[Saguaro]

Hagee is the ultimate at playing God

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is amusing. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/21/hagee-flip-flop/Last February, hard-line conservative evangelical Pastor John Hagee endorsed Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) candidacy for president. Despite Hagee’s history of controversial and bigoted comments –- such as calling Catholicism “The Great Whore” and blaming Hurricane Katrina on gays –- McCain said he was “very honored” to receive the endorsement, one which he also reportedly sought.

McCain has since both “repudiate[d]” and defended Hagee’s intolerant remarks. But McCain’s double-talk on Hagee went a step further yesterday on ABC’s This Week when he seemed a bit confused as to whether or not he still accepts Hagee’s endorsement –- first agreeing that it was a “mistake” to accept it, but less than 30 seconds later saying he is “glad” to have it: STEPHANOPOULOS: So was it a mistake to solicit and accept his endorsement?

MCCAIN: Oh, probably, sure. […]

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you no longer want his endorsement?

MCCAIN: I’m glad to have his endorsement. I condemn remarks that are, in any way, viewed as anti-anything. And thanks for asking.Indeed, McCain has been confused quite a bit lately on a wide range of issues: – McCain has said waterboarding “should never be condoned in the U.S.” but voted against a bill banning the CIA from using torture, specifically including waterboarding.

– McCain says he is “a consistent supporter of educational benefits” for the military but has indicated he will not support the bipartisan 21st Century GI Bill.

– On at least three occasions, McCain baselessly claimed Iran is training Al Qaeda in Iraq but argued the error was an isolated slip of the tongue.

– McCain falsely suggested that Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a “sect of Shi’ites.”

– McCain falsely claimed Moktada al-Sadr “declared the cease-fire” after recent fighting in Basra and has said he is both a “major player” in Iraq and that his influence “has been on the wane for a long time.”

– Economists and nonpartisan analysts have said recently that the numbers is McCain’s economic plan simply “don’t add up.”

– McCain has made the elimination of earmarks a cornerstone of his presidential campaign but he can’t name any he would eliminate.

– In a matter of one day, McCain said Americans are both “better off” and “not better off” than they were before President Bush took office.
McCain’s latest 30-second flip-flop represents the political dance he must engage in to try to appeal to both the conservative evangelical wing of the Republican Party and independent-minded Americans. But despite all his back and forth, the media still seem happy to promote McCain’s self-proclaimed persona as a “straight-talking maverick.”
These flip flops are also signs of mccain's extreme age taking a toll on his ability to remember what he said just 20 second before hand.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Hagee is a disgusting creature. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katrina-mccain/On September 18, 2006, Pastor John Hagee — whose endorsement Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said this past Sunday he was “glad to have” — told NPR’s Terry Gross that “Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” “New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God,” Hagee said, because “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”

On his radio show yesterday, right-wing talker Dennis Prager asked Hagee to respond to “the various charges made against him” in a fact sheet put out by the Democratic National Committee. Asked about his comments on Hurricane Katrina, Hagee said “the topic of that day was cursing and blessing”:HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. … What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.
Prager followed up by asking if all natural disasters are a result of “the divine hand” and if there is “any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?” Hagee responded by saying “it’s a result of God’s permissible will” and “that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday,” which he said “was sin”:PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?

HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.

PRAGER: No, I understand.

HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.

PRAGER: No, I’m only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God’s hand was in it because of a sinful city?

HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.Unconvinced by Hagee’s explanation, Prager said “frankly” that critics “can get you” for those comments “because people don’t like to hear that sort of thing.”

In February, after working hard to gain Hagee’s endorsement, McCain said he was “very honored” to receive it. Since then, he has both “repudiate[d]” and defended Hagee’s anti-Catholic and “anti-anything” remarks. But as Think Progress has noted, McCain has never specifically commented on Hagee’s offensive beliefs about Hurricane Katrina or his anti-gay comments.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Hagee and Bill Donohue (another charming person) have been talking and Hagee issued a half-ass apology for calling the Catholic Church a great whore. Here is the DNC's response to this siliness http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/13/1016597.aspxThe Democratic National Committee responds and is unimpressed with how McCain has dealt with Hagee.

"Reverend John Hagee today apologized for his offensive comments about Catholics. Despite spending a year courting Hagee's endorsement and refusing to distance himself from the controversial pastor, John McCain reportedly played no role in the apology. McCain has repeatedly refused to publicly denounce Hagee's discriminatory comments about women, African-Americans, America Muslims or LGBT Americans or renounce Hagee's endorsement."

DNC Communications Director Karen Finney writes, "Now that Reverend Hagee is apologizing for his anti-Catholic comments, does John McCain think that Hagee should also apologize for his other comments? If so will he have the courage to say so publicly? Unless John McCain's idea of being a new kind of Republican includes cozying up to radicals who compare women to dogs, hold racially insensitive fundraisers and call one of the worst natural disasters in our country's history God's punishment, he should renounce John Hagee's endorsement immediately. Given John McCain's history of putting political calculations ahead of his principles, we're not holding our breath."

[issac the dragon]

Perhaps he'll apologize piecemeal, depending on how many people are offended by each group he has insulted, and rather that group matters to McSame. Since McSame has written off the black vote, Hagee needn't bother apologize to them. But he'd better say sorry to the Hispanics. Women? No one would bother. About the same time we'd get an apology because the Obama supporters think Clinton's name is b***h or c**t.

[Saguaro]

Isaac, that is simpy NOT true

[issac the dragon]

I read them. Every day. The things they say about Clinton deny her basic humanity. Why would that surprise you when Ted Kennedy said she is ignoble, and has no leadership qualities. If that is being said in public by big Obama surporters, what in the heck do you think is being said behind the scenes?

[Trueblue]

I'm not sure that Kennedy should talk about drawing out a primary process.

[Yellowdogtexan]

There is a great deal of emotion in this race. Some/most Obama supporters do not understand how the clinton campaign can win the nomination when the math is against her and fear a back room deal that take the nomination away from Senator Obama and as a result have said some harsh things. They view this as trying to steal the nomination and so may be emotional in some of their comments. There are some Clinton supporters on other boards that I post on who called Obama supporters cultists and obamatrons and then get mad because they will not realize that it is Senator Clinton's turn to be president and he should wait.

Things are begining to calm down that it is clear that Senator Obama is probably the nominee. The Obama campaign is not calling for Senator Clinton to withdraw and is trying to handle the remaining weeks in a manner to preserve Senator Clinton's dignity and let her play out the process on her terms. You should look at what the Obama campaign is doing and not the comments of isolated Obama supporters unless you want to defend each and every comment made by a Clinton supporter about the Obama campaign.

The key thing is that the party will be united in November and the first job is to defeat mc :cane. If mc :cane some how becomes president due to the internal fighting of the party, then you can kiss Roe v. Wade good bye and expect to see attacks on Iran as well as more troops in Iraq for the next four years.

[Viki]

Perhaps he'll apologize piecemeal, depending on how many people are offended by each group he has insulted, and rather that group matters to McSame. Since McSame has written off the black vote, Hagee needn't bother apologize to them. But he'd better say sorry to the Hispanics. Women? No one would bother. About the same time we'd get an apology because the Obama supporters think Clinton's name is b***h or c**t.

Yup, it's becoming increasingly clear that Obama's arrogance extends to women... two "sweetie" comments and no response to the latest "sweetie's" question.

I was once carried out by the Secret Service when I protested at an exclusive Reagan event in Upper Darby, PA, there would have been a similar necessity if Obama had similarly addressed and dissed me!

[sparks]

Yup, it's becoming increasingly clear that Obama's arrogance extends to women... two "sweetie" comments and no response to the latest "sweetie's" question.

I was once carried out by the Secret Service when I protested at an exclusive Reagan event in Upper Darby, PA, there would have been a similar necessity if Obama had similarly addressed and dissed me!

I caught one of his "sweety" comments on a news clip and thought it was a bit out of line and definitely politically incorrect.

However, that being said...I've been known to call a clerk in a store honey, or sweetie myself on occasion. Usually someone young and inexperienced, basically a dimwit.

[Viki]

I caught one of his "sweety" comments on a news clip and thought it was a bit out of line and definitely politically incorrect.

However, that being said...I've been known to call a clerk in a store honey, or sweetie myself on occasion. Usually someone young and inexperienced, basically a dimwit.

At most I might call a colleague "hon," but the problem with the event reported today was the "sweetie" was a reporter asking a serious question about how Obama would deal with the auto worker crisis ... yikes!

[Trueblue]

I agree, I would resent being called sweetie by a strange man. But to change my vote based on that? :lmao Right.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I caught one of his "sweety" comments on a news clip and thought it was a bit out of line and definitely politically incorrect.Yes but he has apologized for these comments http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24643711/On the air later Wednesday, the station played a voice mail message Obama left for Agar. In it, Obama apologized for not getting back to her. He also told her he has a bad habit of calling people "sweetie."

Obama then said: "I mean no disrespect, so I am duly chastened on that front."

[Trueblue]

:woot

[sparks]

On the air later Wednesday, the station played a voice mail message Obama left for Agar. In it, Obama apologized for not getting back to her. He also told her he has a bad habit of calling people "sweetie."

Obama then said: "I mean no disrespect, so I am duly chastened on that front."

I'd forgive him after that apology. Actually, that was being quite the gentleman. :)

[Saguaro]

At least he didn't lose his temper and yell at her.

[Trueblue]

At least he didn't lose his temper and yell at her.

:snicker

[issac the dragon]

He did apologize nicely. Good. But does he call men "sweetie" too? I have to ask.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Countdown was doing a piece on Hagee tonight and it appears that Hagee is too controversial for mc :cane http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/22/mccain-reverses-himself-to-reject-hagees-support/CNN reports that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has finally rejected the support of radical pastor John Hagee. McCain’s repudiation comes as recent attention has turned to a sermon in which Hagee said that Hitler was fulfilling God’s will:McCAIN: Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well. ....In February, McCain said he was “very honored by Pastor John Hagee’s endorsement.” After controversy broke out over offensive comments made by Hagee, McCain originally evoked Hagee’s support for Israel as his reason for continuing to embrace his support.

[Trueblue]

It's about time.