Bush finds out about $4 gas forecasts

[Saguaro]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush, saying he was unaware of predictions of $4-a-gallon gasoline in the coming months, told reporters Thursday that the best way to help Americans fend off high prices is for Congress to make his first-term tax cuts permanent.

"If you're out there wondering... what your life is going to be like, and you're looking at $4 a gallon, that's uncertain," Bush responded to a question posed at a White House news conference. "And when you couple that with the idea that... taxes may be going up in a couple years, that's double uncertainty."

Analysts have said that gasoline could reach $4 a gallon by this spring, due to strong demand and a change in formulation, among other reasons.

When taking the question about the $4 milestone, Bush told the reporter, "That's interesting. I hadn't heard that."

In other areas of energy policy, the president repeated his support for both renewable sources and conservation.

Bush also criticized Congress, which is considering an $18 billion tax increase for large oil companies.

"All that's going to do is make the price even higher," he said. "We ought to be encouraging investment in oil and gas close to home if we're trying to mitigate the problems we face."

The ethanol bust
The House of Representatives passed the oil tax bill Wednesday, and Senate Democrats said they would try to push the bill through quickly to avoid a Republican filibuster. If the bill passes, the White House has threatened to veto.

Bush told reporters that in order for the use of renewable sources of energy - such as corn- and switchgrass-based ethanol - to become widespread, the country needs to increase domestic oil production and build new refineries.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/28/news/economy/bush_energy_policy/index.htm?cnn=yes

[April15]

We need to be breeding horses and spreading out our housing.

[issac the dragon]

Leave the burbs and live closer to work. Then maybe take transit. The American dream is being done in.

[Cookie Parker]

Leave the burbs and live closer to work. Then maybe take transit. The American dream is being done in.

Nice dream. With most jobs outsourced, I would well imagine few can live in the same town as their job(s).

[Oceanbreeze]

Nice dream. With most jobs outsourced, I would well imagine few can live in the same town as their job(s).


Cookie. :shrug I just don't understand how you can't everything find anything positive to say about the world. Anywhere or anything. :sad

We were given the $4 scare before. We have nothing to complain about, take a look at the UK prices. Carpool, commute, get creative.

[jim]

Cookie. :shrug I just don't understand how you can't everything find anything positive to say about the world. Anywhere or anything. :sad

We were given the $4 scare before. We have nothing to complain about, take a look at the UK prices. Carpool, commute, get creative.


We don't live in UK...Get creative??? Boy!!! They sure are creative with excuses to raise prices???$103. per Barrel??? For several reasons, I doubt it!! If it is true, We are paying about $25. per barrel and $78. for sheer arrogance.:hotdog:mw:brr:godzilla

[toxic]

Cookie. :shrug I just don't understand how you can't everything find anything positive to say about the world. Anywhere or anything. :sad

We were given the $4 scare before. We have nothing to complain about, take a look at the UK prices. Carpool, commute, get creative.

All those translate into "Lower your standard of living".

Everyday Americans are making choices that will lower their standard of living, but seem anxious to race to the bottom as fast as they can.

Soon the choice will no longer be theirs.

[cassandra]

Nice dream. With most jobs outsourced, I would well imagine few can live in the same town as their job(s).

I cannot speak for all others but my DH works very close to the home and I live in the suburbs.

All those translate into "Lower your standard of living".

Everyday Americans are making choices that will lower their standard of living, but seem anxious to race to the bottom as fast as they can.

Soon the choice will no longer be theirs.

You enviro nuts should already be on the way to living with less anyhow. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.

I combine trips and conserve gas in my own ways. People have got to get some personal responsibility and stop leaning on gas.

[Wabash]

Leave the burbs and live closer to work. Then maybe take transit. The American dream is being done in.
I never lived farther than 12 min. from work, my entire life...multiple jobs, 2 states.....3 min. to 12 min my whole life....now I'm retired and don't have to commute...

Nice dream. With most jobs outsourced, I would well imagine few can live in the same town as their job(s).
I did for my 45 years in the workforce...

All those translate into "Lower your standard of living".

Everyday Americans are making choices that will lower their standard of living, but seem anxious to race to the bottom as fast as they can.

Soon the choice will no longer be theirs.

Get out of those GAS HOG pickups and SUVs and fast cars! There's your choice...Bigger is NOT better...it's EGO!
Folks in other countries drive gas sippers by American Standards....

[Wabash]

Bigger has been a selling point, by Detroit and Greed by consumers...

Change your mindset, change your environment and change your cost of living by removing the EGO!

[Trueblue]

Uh, folks the point is that the man is out of touch with reality.

[Wabash]

Uh, folks the point is that the man is out of touch with reality.

TB...c'mon...do you think the price of gas, on a daily basis, is a priority on any President's agenda...ESPECIALLY a Projected price! A what if...well maybe...price...


I don't!
Betcha Hillary and Obama don't have a clue either!

[jim]

TB...c'mon...do you think the price of gas, on a daily basis, is a priority on any President's agenda...ESPECIALLY a Projected price! A what if...well maybe...price...


I don't!
Betcha Hillary and Obama don't have a clue either!

Haven't we seen "what ifs" come to fruition before??:godzilla

[Saguaro]

TB...c'mon...do you think the price of gas, on a daily basis, is a priority on any President's agenda...ESPECIALLY a Projected price! A what if...well maybe...price...


I don't!
Betcha Hillary and Obama don't have a clue either!

Ever seen the US consumption of gas per day in Iraq ?

[Wabash]

Haven't we seen "what ifs" come to fruition before??:godzilla
Sometimes....

Ever seen the US consumption of gas per day in Iraq ?
No....why would I?

[Trueblue]

TB...c'mon...do you think the price of gas, on a daily basis, is a priority on any President's agenda...ESPECIALLY a Projected price! A what if...well maybe...price...


I don't!
Betcha Hillary and Obama don't have a clue either!

Good lord, how can you excuse him from even this? What in the hell is he supposed to be paying attention to?

[Oceanbreeze]

Bigger has been a selling point, by Detroit and Greed by consumers...

Change your mindset, change your environment and change your cost of living by removing the EGO!


You enviro nuts should already be on the way to living with less anyhow. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.

I combine trips and conserve gas in my own ways. People have got to get some personal responsibility and stop leaning on gas.



:paclap :paclap :paclap :paclap

[Oceanbreeze]

Uh, folks the point is that the man is out of touch with reality.

The point is the truly wealthy are out of touch with reality and how much stuff costs.

I have a very wealthy uncle. $30k is nothing to him.

[Trueblue]

The point is the truly wealthy are out of touch with reality and how much stuff costs.

I have a very wealthy uncle. $30k is nothing to him.

My point is that Bush is the President of the United States. Regardless of his income.

[Oceanbreeze]

My point is that Bush is the President of the United States. Regardless of his income.

Carry on with your Bush bash, only 10 more months until the new inaugaration. AMEN.

[Trueblue]

Carry on with your Bush bash, only 10 more months until the new inaugaration. AMEN.

And you keep defending the indefensible. You can rest in ten months. :D

[Oceanbreeze]

And you keep defending the indefensible. You can rest in ten months. :D

Have I ever defended Bush? No.

I said wealth people are out of touch with the common cost of service. The elite are a different breed of people.

I have said it's time to end the war, we've trained their soldiers, set up their judicial system, helped rebuild their infrastructure.

[Trueblue]

Have I ever defended Bush? No.

I said wealth people are out of touch with the common cost of service. The elite are a different breed of people.

I have said it's time to end the war, we've trained their soldiers, set up their judicial system, helped rebuild their infrastructure.

But what you're saying is just not acceptable for the leader of a nation that depends on oil. Yes, wealth makes people oblivious, unless their job requires their knowledge of prices. For example, oil company CEOs and the POTUS ought to know.

If we're talking Bush, the bashing is going to happen. You're blaming the messenger.

[nixon]

Have I ever defended Bush? No.

I said wealth people are out of touch with the common cost of service. The elite are a different breed of people.

I have said it's time to end the war, we've trained their soldiers, set up their judicial system, helped rebuild their infrastructure.But did you learn, my dear Oceanbreeze???

[Oceanbreeze]

But did you learn, my dear Oceanbreeze???

We all voted for him. We're all guilty.

[nixon]

We all voted for him. We're all guilty. Not everyone was fooled, only the majority.

[Saguaro]

I never voted for him

[Trueblue]

Me, either.

[Oceanbreeze]

Not everyone was fooled, only the majority.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Ideology differs from person to person and that influences and reflects on how they treat a current adminstration. I voted for Perot and didn't have a pissy fit that Clinton won.

[Trueblue]

Shoot, I've voted many times and never had a fit over my candidate not winning. That is NOT what 2000 was about, a "pissy fit".

[nixon]

Hindsight is 20/20.

Ideology differs from person to person and that influences and reflects on how they treat a current adminstration. I voted for Perot and didn't have a pissy fit that Clinton won.I voted for Perot, also. I, too, wasn't upset when Bill won. In the beginning I was happy with Bush, but he has managed to lead the country astray. (In my opinion.)

[April15]

I voted clinton, gore, kerry. Fuel here today is 3.99 a gallon. Such is life.

[Saguaro]

:shock

[jim]

I voted for Perot, also. I, too, wasn't upset when Bill won. In the beginning I was happy with Bush, but he has managed to lead the country astray. (In my opinion.)

Far astray!!! I'm not very optimistic about the future of this former nation:akbar:ninja

[Wabash]

Far astray!!! I'm not very optimistic about the future of this former nation:akbar:ninja

I'm not either....but not necessarily because of Bush, but because of failure of the people to want to keep this nation strong. The tendency to Socialize our system of govt. taking it down the slippery slope!
That's the slope lined with deviants, and immigration pacifists, and other linguine spined folks!

[Wabash]

I voted clinton, gore, kerry. Fuel here today is 3.99 a gallon. Such is life.

Somewhere in Ca. yesterday it was $4.09 for premium....welcome to what Europe was paying a decade ago............

Shell at 20th and ECR in San Mateo is at $4.23

[nixon]

Somewhere in Ca. yesterday it was $4.09 for premium....welcome to what Europe was paying a decade ago............

Shell at 20th and ECR in San Mateo is at $4.23
In Europe, their tax structure is different than the U.S., They do get something for their money, it's called health care.

[Capitalist]

I voted clinton, gore, kerry. Fuel here today is 3.99 a gallon. Such is life.

You leftists bastards have kept us from exploring for and extracting oil we have here domestically. You have kept us from building new refineries.

You are getting just what you deserve, unfortunately you are fucking the rest of us over as well.

[Wabash]

In Europe, their tax structure is different than the U.S., They do get something for their money, it's called health care.

Ya...but they pay thru the NOSE for that...it's a socialist wet dream...

You leftists bastards have kept us from exploring for and extracting oil we have here domestically. You have kept us from building new refineries.

You are getting just what you deserve, unfortunately you are fucking the rest of us over as well.
For sure!!!

[Capitalist]

In Europe, their tax structure is different than the U.S., They do get something for their money, it's called health care.

That's ok, I will pay for my own thatnk you. Then if I need a doc i won't have to do like the Canadiens.

See when they really need something quickly they come to the US.

I have a Canadian friend who moved here about 10 years ago. he said that doctors are only allowed to make X dollars a month. If they see too many people they have to shut down until the end of the month.

He said his doctor typically was closed after the middle of every month.

yeah i want that for America.

[April15]

Somewhere in Ca. yesterday it was $4.09 for premium....welcome to what Europe was paying a decade ago............

Shell at 20th and ECR in San Mateo is at $4.23Yes I know. But that dealer is in an argument with shell.

[April15]

You leftists bastards have kept us from exploring for and extracting oil we have here domestically. You have kept us from building new refineries.

You are getting just what you deserve, unfortunately you are fucking the rest of us over as well.It is sad to think alternatives fuel sources haven't been researched or discovered that are mobile and can create heat for energy. What paltry heat is derived from ethanol is not going to be enough and it directly affects our food supply/costs.
Since 1972 capitalist greed has prevented honest fuel efficiency for the vehicles produced or planning mass transit in growing areas. It seems to me the capitalists have fucked themselfs.
Enjoy the bankruptcy that we have begun.

[Wabash]

That's ok, I will pay for my own thatnk you. Then if I need a doc i won't have to do like the Canadiens.

See when they really need something quickly they come to the US.

I have a Canadian friend who moved here about 10 years ago. he said that doctors are only allowed to make X dollars a month. If they see too many people they have to shut down until the end of the month.

He said his doctor typically was closed after the middle of every month.

yeah i want that for America.
Yep...the socialist Democrats think that Govt. sponsored Health Care is gonna be great....maybe for those in N.O., but not for most of us! It takes away our freedom to choose, both doctors and procedures and it limits docs, just like you said...in short...it Stinks!

Yes I know. But that dealer is in an argument with shell.
Oh...I see...I don't even buy gas in SM when I come down to visit anymore...I get it in Redding and Vacaville.....cheaper there....

[Trueblue]

Ah, anecdotal evidence. That settles things, doesn't it?

I think the wait times is a legitimate concern, I wonder if there's any evidence for the claim that doctors are only allowed to make a certain amount of money per month.

I found this on Wikipedia, nothing is mentioned about a mandated maximum monthly income for doctors. Did he said that it was a government rule, or a union rule, or what?

Medical professional shortage

Canada's shortage of medical practitioners causes problems.[28] With 2.2 doctors per thousand population, Canada is well below the OECD average of 3.0, although its 10 nurses per thousand was slightly above the OECD average of 8.6.[29] Suggested solutions include increasing the number of training spaces for doctors in Canada, as well as streamlining the licensing process for foreign doctors already in the country.[30]

Doctors in Canada make an average of $202,000 a year (2006, before expenses).[31] Alberta has the highest average salary of around $230,000, while Quebec has the lowest average annual salary at $165,000, creating interprovincial competition for doctors and contributing to local shortages.[31]

In 1991, the Ontario Medical Association agreed to become a province-wide closed shop, making the OMA union a monopoly. Critics argue that this measure has restricted the supply of doctors to guarantee its members' incomes.[32]

According to a 2007 article, the Canadian medical profession is suffering from a brain drain. The article states, "One in nine trained-in-Canada doctors is practising medicine in the United States... If Canadian-educated doctors who were born in the U.S. are excluded, the number is one in 12.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

The idea that this problem can be solved by building substandard refineries and drilling for every drop of oil is very questionable. Oil is a finite resource, and surely a fair minded person will see the role of the oil and car companies in the problem.

[Capitalist]

It is sad to think alternatives fuel sources haven't been researched or discovered that are mobile and can create heat for energy. What paltry heat is derived from ethanol is not going to be enough and it directly affects our food supply/costs.
Since 1972 capitalist greed has prevented honest fuel efficiency for the vehicles produced or planning mass transit in growing areas. It seems to me the capitalists have fucked themselfs.
Enjoy the bankruptcy that we have begun.

Fuck you and capitalist greed. It is capitalist 'greed' that feeds the fucking world, that is the cause of every decent invention for the past 200 years.

Yeah lets be like Cuba and China and N. K or the former Soviet union.

That system does not fucking work and even as poorly as it did do it took a totalitarian regime and killing people who tried to leave.

Your a fucking idiot.

[nixon]

That's ok, I will pay for my own thatnk you. Then if I need a doc i won't have to do like the Canadiens.

See when they really need something quickly they come to the US.

I have a Canadian friend who moved here about 10 years ago. he said that doctors are only allowed to make X dollars a month. If they see too many people they have to shut down until the end of the month.

He said his doctor typically was closed after the middle of every month.

yeah i want that for America.I pay for my own, too. I thought we were talking about Europe and the high cost of fuel over there, and I pointed out why it costs more. How did Canada's health care woes get to be the topic of conversation?

[Trueblue]

Oh, that is absolutely false.

[nixon]

Fuck you and capitalist greed. It is capitalist 'greed' that feeds the fucking world, that is the cause of every decent invention for the past 200 years.

Yeah lets be like Cuba and China and N. K or the former Soviet union.

That system does not fucking work and even as poorly as it did do it took a totalitarian regime and killing people who tried to leave.

Your a fucking idiot.You sure have a foul mouth.

[Trueblue]

To be clear, my statement about something being false was the claim that greed is the force behind feeding people and all inventions for the last 200 years, not to nixon's statement.

[Saguaro]

Fuck you and capitalist greed. It is capitalist 'greed' that feeds the fucking world, that is the cause of every decent invention for the past 200 years.

Yeah lets be like Cuba and China and N. K or the former Soviet union.

That system does not fucking work and even as poorly as it did do it took a totalitarian regime and killing people who tried to leave.

Your a fucking idiot.

The insults are to stop

[April15]

Fuck you and capitalist greed. It is capitalist 'greed' that feeds the fucking world, that is the cause of every decent invention for the past 200 years.

Yeah lets be like Cuba and China and N. K or the former Soviet union.

That system does not fucking work and even as poorly as it did do it took a totalitarian regime and killing people who tried to leave.

Your a fucking idiot.The current times are truly showing how poorly this system can work!
With every dollar we spend on fuel being sent to the middle east that makes it more pressing than ever to absolve ourselves of petroleum. Capitalism is based on greed and the need to spend. Why you think advertisement is so aleuring for most people? Telling you that with out this mercedes you are just a nobody. Me thinks your priorities are a little out of whack.
As for a fuck you, you aren't worthy of the comment.

[Wabash]

The ultimate responsibility for the Greed and the Need falls on the shoulders of everyone!

I can resist ANY commercial, and do! I can also resist any attempt by govt. to raise taxer on Any level...and do!

I can afford a luxurious SUV....but I won't buy one. I refuse to pay what the asking price is, I refuse to pay the higher insurance premiums and I refuse to pay for the high gas consumption!
I have Free Will and Intellect and the self discipline to just say NO...to higher taxes or high commodities. I don't succumb to the foilables of the 7 deadly sins...

[Capitalist]

Ah, anecdotal evidence. That settles things, doesn't it?

I think the wait times is a legitimate concern, I wonder if there's any evidence for the claim that doctors are only allowed to make a certain amount of money per month.

I found this on Wikipedia, nothing is mentioned about a mandated maximum monthly income for doctors. Did he said that it was a government rule, or a union rule, or what?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

The idea that this problem can be solved by building substandard refineries and drilling for every drop of oil is very questionable. Oil is a finite resource, and surely a fair minded person will see the role of the oil and car companies in the problem.


He said his doctor (and he implied all primary care physicians) were limited as to income. The governemnt pays their wages, it is not fee for service as it is here.

As a result his doctor divided what he was allowed to make per year by month. When he reached his limit each month he simply did not work again unil the first of the next month.

Otherwise he would end up taking the last 12 to 15 weeks of the year off and that would hurt his patients more than a week or two each month.

read this

I think the source is accurate:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/168/6/751


What do you mean by 'substandard' refineries, once that end up taking a few ten's of millions to fight the NIMBY lawsuits? The enviro-wacko lawsuits. The new regulations (that much like the nuclear industry) have made the time and costs associated with building them not profitable?

As to 'every drop of oil'? what the fuck does that mean?

Of course we should drill all the oil we have here. The more we get domestically the less we have to get from overseas and the ME. Your problem with that is?

As to
'Oil is a finite resource, and surely a fair minded person will see the role of the oil and car companies in the problem.'
Please, what role, pay more to the government, let the government tax and regulate them out of business or at least until all cars are made in other countries.

I don't understand why you leftists do not see your roll in companies taking jobs overseas?

[Wabash]

Hell Cap...it ain't their fault...it's Bush's fault and all us Conservatives vicariously!:rofl2:rofl:rofl

It's gonna be a sorry ass day if Obie gets elected.....we will be totally fucked! These dweebs don't see it ...the ones from N.O. and the like will be the only ones to benefit.....the Demos talk about jobs, but they want to make it so difficult the companies can't survive...that's just what is happening in Portland, Or.

[Trueblue]

Can you tell me which part of that article verifies that the Canadian medical system pays doctors as you claim?

I am sure you would be glad to host an oil refinery near your property, but not everyone is so civic minded.

http://www.slate.com/id/2102031/

Oil companies squelch research that might make us less dependent.

Car companies fight tooth and nail against fuel economy regulation.

Every drop of oil means that what is left here is not a vast supply.

I don't know about you, but I'm looking long range.

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's massive oil sands are "the most destructive project on earth" and the federal government must intervene to clean up the mess, a leading green group said on Friday.
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Environmental Defence said excavation of the oil sands in the western province of Alberta -- home to the richest petroleum deposits outside the Middle East -- is producing vast amounts of greenhouse gases and poisoning local water supplies.

"This is Canada's problem -- our federal elected leaders need to clean it up or shut it down," said Aaron Freeman of Environmental Defence.

The group called on the Conservative government to impose a firm cap on emissions from the oil sands and enforce regulations designed to prevent pollution.

The process to strip the tar-like bitumen out of the sands and turn it into synthetic crude oil is very energy intensive.

Alberta is a Conservative Party stronghold and critics say the government does not want to alienate the powerful energy industry by clamping down. Ottawa denies the charge and says a plan it unveiled last year will cut overall emissions by 20 percent from 2006 levels by 2020.

"All the major polluters, emitters of greenhouse gas emissions, will have to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, and that includes the oil sands," said Mark Warawa, parliamentary secretary to the environment minister.

The Alberta provincial government says it has issued leases for 4,264 oil sands projects covering 25,065 square miles . New projects costing more than C$100 billion are on the books for the oil sands region and production is expected to triple to 3 million barrels a day by 2015.

($1=$1.01 Canadian)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080215/wl_canada_nm/canada_environment_tarsands_col

[Capitalist]

The current times are truly showing how poorly this system can work!
With every dollar we spend on fuel being sent to the middle east that makes it more pressing than ever to absolve ourselves of petroleum. Capitalism is based on greed and the need to spend. Why you think advertisement is so aleuring for most people? Telling you that with out this mercedes you are just a nobody. Me thinks your priorities are a little out of whack.
As for a fuck you, you aren't worthy of the comment.

Do you have a clue? How much of our oil do you think comes from the ME?

Capitalism is the only thing that uses mans own nature to benifit all without his consent.

See on the way to getting rich a greedy man like Bill Gates employes hundreds of thousands and makes millions more productive.

As to those who buy into that kind of image advertising, they are morons and I cannot help them. As a matter of fact a decent percentage of them will decry capitalism while driving around in that have to have car.

I could care less i still drive my town car. it has 196,000 miles on it. I have not had a car payment for over 12 years.

Tell me, what incentive do i have to help my fellow man if there is no profit for me?

I notice all those people working for the UN helping others are getting paid to do it. What happened to helping your fellow man.

There are only 2 mediums of exchange, money or it's equivalent and the gun/violence. There is no other choice that human nature allows.

Choose, capitalism and freedom or socialism and the inevitable totalitarin regime that must be there to enforce it.

[Trueblue]

There is such a thing as altruism, even Ayn Rand says so. For example, Bill Gates has made a number of decisions that were anything but greedy. And there's nothing wrong with being paid for doing good work for others.

[Capitalist]

I am sure you would be glad to host an oil refinery near your property, but not everyone is so civic minded.


Hey if they want to buy my farm for a refinery, I be happy to sell to them.

Oil companies squelch research that might make us less dependent.

How?

Car companies fight tooth and nail against fuel economy regulation.

As they should, as far as I am concerned I don't see anything inthe constitution that allows the governemnt to tell a private business how may mile a gallon one of their products shouldget. When the market dictates cars be available with high mileage the companies will make them or die. The market should decide that not sime numbnut in DC.

Every drop of oil means that what is left here is not a vast supply.

Really, so you already did all the geological surveys off the cost of Fl and Cvalifornia and all the national parks and other federally owned lands? You know precicely how much oil is at ANWAR?

Man your in the wrong business.

I don't know about you, but I'm looking long range.

BS you just being a whiney ass lefitsts who wants to stifle growth and hirt capitalism in this country.

[Capitalist]

There is such a thing as altruism, even Ayn Rand says so. For example, Bill Gates has made a number of decisions that were anything but greedy. And there's nothing wrong with being paid for doing good work for others.

Sorry there is no altruism, Bill gates did that because it made him feel good about himslef. He wants to make a difference instead of extra money he does not need. it is not altruism to give what you have plenty of.

There is no such thing. Everyone has a motive and a profit of differeing currency.

Some want money or gold. Some want fame. Some want to feel good about themselves and some want to feel superior to those they help.

Put payment is rendered in any case.

[Trueblue]

No, you deliberately miss the point. I said NEXT to your property, not on your property.

You know perfectly well that the oil companies fight competition from alternative energy sources. Don't try everybody's patience.

On the next comment, you accidentally miss the point. You asked why I blame the car companies, I told you why, and then you went off on a tangent. The car companies have fought energy efficient cars, therefore, they are part of the problem we currently share.

I don't know the exact amount of oil in the ground, that doesn't even make sense as an attack.

As I said, I am looking long-range, beyond my next buck, unlike the fascists who have tried to take over the nation.

[Trueblue]

Nah, Gates did that because it feels good to give, not to make him feel good about himself. There is a vast difference.

[Wabash]

No, you deliberately miss the point. I said NEXT to your property, not on your property.

You know perfectly well that the oil companies fight competition from alternative energy sources. Don't try everybody's patience.

On the next comment, you accidentally miss the point. You asked why I blame the car companies, I told you why, and then you went off on a tangent. The car companies have fought energy efficient cars, therefore, they are part of the problem we currently share.

I don't know the exact amount of oil in the ground, that doesn't even make sense as an attack.

As I said, I am looking long-range, beyond my next buck, unlike the fascists who have tried to take over the nation.
There are no fascists trying to take over this country TB...that's just DNC liberal bullshit!
Your arguments are convoluted and biased by liberalism...a learned behavior I guess! Cap's arguments are clear, concise and correct!

Nah, Gates did that because it feels good to give, not to make him feel good about himself. There is a vast difference.

I really don't think there is...

[Trueblue]

Think about the difference, it is there.

As for fascism, who is against the unions? For warrantless spying? For a cozy relationship between government and business? Calls flag waving patriotism? Uses war excessively? What do you think fascism is, anyway?

[Capitalist]

Think about the difference, it is there.

As for fascism, who is against the unions? For warrantless spying? For a cozy relationship between government and business? Calls flag waving patriotism? Uses war excessively? What do you think fascism is, anyway?

Facism i salso about control of society by the government, that would be the ballywick of you on the left.

As for unions, they are a drain on the country and communistic in nature.

I am curious how the governemnt is fighting unions?

[Trueblue]

Facism i salso about control of society by the government, that would be the ballywick of you on the left.

As for unions, they are a drain on the country and communistic in nature.

I am curious how the governemnt is fighting unions?

Absolutely not true. You want to exert far more control on society than I find morally, ethically, or practically desirable.

Fascists don't object to unions for any reason except that they resent losing any power in any realm.

Publican administrations are anti-union. Not the government, the Publican party.

[issac the dragon]

Trueblue, for the blood to reach the man's brains, it has to travel through his giant sized crotch. That is a long distance. It makes it hard for him to think clearly. He is more to be pitied than censored.

[Wabash]

Think about the difference, it is there.

As for fascism, who is against the unions? For warrantless spying? For a cozy relationship between government and business? Calls flag waving patriotism? Uses war excessively? What do you think fascism is, anyway?
Unions are not a good thing...warrantless spying is not a bad thing if it's not used for illegal purposes, flag waving IS patriotism and it's a good thing, no one has used war excessively. We have had a war every decade I've been alive and will probably have one for decades to come. They weren't always run properly, liberals get in the way, but they were necessary!

Absolutely not true. You want to exert far more control on society than I find morally, ethically, or practically desirable.

Fascists don't object to unions for any reason except that they resent losing any power in any realm.

Publican administrations are anti-union. Not the government, the Publican party.
I was against unions when I was a Demo and I still am!
Talk about control...that's too funny TB....The EPA and all the enviro whacko stuff in place is far more controlling on our lives. People and companies are forced to smog their cars, to use certain paint, to burn unleaded fuel and a slew of other things! Liberal ideas...and liberal controlls! That's just ONE example!

Trueblue, for the blood to reach the man's brains, it has to travel through his giant sized crotch. That is a long distance. It makes it hard for him to think clearly. He is more to be pitied than censored.
Oh hush!

[April15]

Tell me, what incentive do i have to help my fellow man if there is no profit for me? says Cisco

It is a sad state of life that you even pose the question. To help one of your own species to better health or learn how to do something is one of the greatest endeavors mankind can enjoy!
I try to partake every day in helping my fellow man. It is only when I find them being dishonest that I cease to help.

[April15]

There are no fascists trying to take over this country TB...that's just DNC liberal bullshit!
Your arguments are convoluted and biased by liberalism...a learned behavior I guess! Cap's arguments are clear, concise and correct!



I really don't think there is...
There are too many equals to the points of fascism in this administration to summarily reject the premise.

Capitalists arguments are vague and evasive. So close to strawman diatribes!

[jim]

Fuck you and capitalist greed. It is capitalist 'greed' that feeds the fucking world, that is the cause of every decent invention for the past 200 years.Yeah lets be like Cuba and China and N. K or the former Soviet union.

That system does not fucking work and even as poorly as it did do it took a totalitarian regime and killing people who tried to leave.

Your a fucking idiot.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[BartonX]

There are too many equals to the points of fascism in this administration to summarily reject the premise.

Capitalists arguments are vague and evasive. So close to strawman diatribes!

You have your poles reversed again and , as usual, your facts are not only skewed they are completely screwed!!! The Neo-crats are the fascists and they alone have the history to support that inherent position as far back as Margaret Sanger, whose "Negro Project" (Correct name) sought to eliminate blacks. It was due to her radical eugenics religion which predated Hitler's. The Left wing are socialists as well as fascists and undesireables at large. Fact not fiction.

[Ringo]

Trueblue, for the blood to reach the man's brains, it has to travel through his giant sized crotch. That is a long distance. It makes it hard for him to think clearly. He is more to be pitied than censored.

That is what makes it HARD in his giant sized crotch, Nurse Emily! :LL

[Ringo]

You have your poles reversed again and , as usual, your facts are not only skewed they are completely screwed!!! The Neo-crats are the fascists and they alone have the history to support that inherent position as far back as Margaret Sanger, whose "Negro Project" (Correct name) sought to eliminate blacks. It was due to her radical eugenics religion which predated Hitler's. The Left wing are socialists as well as fascists and undesireables at large. Fact not fiction.

Doc are you here on SUPER SECRET PROBATION??? Remember you still know nothing about the horse in Tarty's office, OK??