The REAL difference between Conservatives and Liberals!

[Deadshot]

Let me preface this statement that this is not something about ALL Conservatives and Liberals, just most of them and this board bears me out.

Conservatives seemed to believe ANYTHING if it's hating on Liberals. No proof needed, no source material required. Whether it's the form letter about Obama being a Muslim spy or a post about Democrat politicians being "American Terrorists" if it's in print, on the Radio or internet - whatever - as long as it's anti-Liberal they'll believe it or, worse yet, pass it on anyway!

Liberals seem to want and demand proof. Conservatives don't want proof, nor do they want to apologize when proven wrong (whether you want to talk about how Rush made fun of Michael Fox's Parkinson's disease, apologized, then said he was never wrong on his website; or Ann Coulter calling Edwards a Fag - then claiming she's not homophobic; the list could go on and on.) Whereas Liberals expect an apology when there politicians fuckup, hence Hillary's STILL having problems with not apologizing for her vote on the war.

Look at some of the most hateful and nasty posts here...read Ringo's posts, for example. They are diatribes against the Left that have little to no basis in truth. They're not here to educate or challenge, but simply to alienate and enrage.

Maybe not everywhere, but by volume of posts and types of post, here at TPA, Conservatives don't want nor demand truth and proof. That says more about the Conservatives here then any uber-negative, no proof, scorched earth policy post that I could create. :deadshot

[cassandra]

I think you are overlooking a huge part of conservatives. Many conservatives don't post on message boards. They just aren't interested in spreading their message that way.

[Deadshot]

Hence my preface of saying "not all Conservatives."

But Sandi, you tell me, honestly look at TPA, look at the nasty in your face, scorched earth, little to no proof posts here. I'd say the ratio of those kind of hate mongering posts here are 4:1 in the Conservatives favor. Kinda sad for your side of the fence, I think.:devil

[Capitalist]

Let me preface this statement that this is not something about ALL Conservatives and Liberals, just most of them and this board bears me out.

Conservatives seemed to believe ANYTHING if it's hating on Liberals. No proof needed, no source material required. Whether it's the form letter about Obama being a Muslim spy or a post about Democrat politicians being "American Terrorists" if it's in print, on the Radio or internet - whatever - as long as it's anti-Liberal they'll believe it or, worse yet, pass it on anyway!

Liberals seem to want and demand proof. Conservatives don't want proof, nor do they want to apologize when proven wrong (whether you want to talk about how Rush made fun of Michael Fox's Parkinson's disease, apologized, then said he was never wrong on his website; or Ann Coulter calling Edwards a Fag - then claiming she's not homophobic; the list could go on and on.) Whereas Liberals expect an apology when there politicians fuckup, hence Hillary's STILL having problems with not apologizing for her vote on the war.

Look at some of the most hateful and nasty posts here...read Ringo's posts, for example. They are diatribes against the Left that have little to no basis in truth. They're not here to educate or challenge, but simply to alienate and enrage.

Maybe not everywhere, but by volume of posts and types of post, here at TPA, Conservatives don't want nor demand truth and proof. That says more about the Conservatives here then any uber-negative, no proof, scorched earth policy post that I could create. :deadshot


The difference between leftists and conservatives is easy...

Reason and logic, leftists don't care much for it.

Another difference, conservatives revere the constitution, leftists use it for toilet paper when it does not suit them.

To me the big difference is that leftists are very compassionate, as long as someone else is paying the tab for it.

[Saguaro]

The difference between leftists and conservatives is easy...

Reason and logic, leftists don't care much for it.

Another difference, conservatives revere the constitution, leftists use it for toilet paper when it does not suit them.

To me the big difference is that leftists are very compassionate, as long as someone else is paying the tab for it.

Bush is a liberal :shock

[April15]

Bush is a liberal :shockYes with your money and sons. And don't ask for any money or help with domestic problems as long as it isn't sneeking or peeking he will have no part of common decency help for America.

[Trueblue]

Deadshot, I'm sure you appreciate Cap providing an example of exactly what you were talking about right here in this thread.

[Matt]

Yep, a perfect picture by Cap. *

:mw:mw


*the statement - not the avatar. :)

[nixon]

The difference between leftists and conservatives is easy...

Reason and logic, leftists don't care much for it.

Another difference, conservatives revere the constitution, leftists use it for toilet paper when it does not suit them.

To me the big difference is that leftists are very compassionate, as long as someone else is paying the tab for it.Revere The Constitution...??? First off, I beleive you're suppose to capitalize the letter "C". It maybe a good way to start "revering". I thought you were a Republican? Oh yeah, silly me!!!! A "Do as I say, not as I Do" Republican.

[patriotsblade]

Let's see how the conservative administration has shown reverance to the Constitution.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/185259/Bush-Administration-vs-the-US-Constitution-Scorecard

[AYFR]

Let me preface this statement that this is not something about ALL Conservatives and Liberals, just most of them and this board bears me out.

Conservatives seemed to believe ANYTHING if it's hating on Liberals. No proof needed, no source material required. Whether it's the form letter about Obama being a Muslim spy or a post about Democrat politicians being "American Terrorists" if it's in print, on the Radio or internet - whatever - as long as it's anti-Liberal they'll believe it or, worse yet, pass it on anyway!

Liberals seem to want and demand proof. Conservatives don't want proof, nor do they want to apologize when proven wrong (whether you want to talk about how Rush made fun of Michael Fox's Parkinson's disease, apologized, then said he was never wrong on his website; or Ann Coulter calling Edwards a Fag - then claiming she's not homophobic; the list could go on and on.) Whereas Liberals expect an apology when there politicians fuckup, hence Hillary's STILL having problems with not apologizing for her vote on the war.

Look at some of the most hateful and nasty posts here...read Ringo's posts, for example. They are diatribes against the Left that have little to no basis in truth. They're not here to educate or challenge, but simply to alienate and enrage.

Maybe not everywhere, but by volume of posts and types of post, here at TPA, Conservatives don't want nor demand truth and proof. That says more about the Conservatives here then any uber-negative, no proof, scorched earth policy post that I could create. :deadshot

Well I could provide examples of certain liberals that say stuff without wanting proof and especially when they are against conservatives. Just look at Toxic's and YTD's posts regarding Conservatives.

Now Dead if you aare judging the whole based on what people on a forum say then you ought to take a look at AWE. The most vile and disgusting people there are the leftists. On that board everything you say about conservatives in your post here applies to most liberals there.
So are we to judge everyone in a group by the actions of some are should we judge each person based on their individual actions and words?

[issac the dragon]

I agree. There are some good conservatives here. And everywhere. I don't have a problem with people just because they disagree with me. And I don't think it makes them stupid. Nor can I imagine saying I think they should die as Capitalist did about Clinton.

This forum is for debate and most people here want to do that. I could post on dialykos if I never wanted to hear a different opinion. I don't appreciate the ravers, but most people here are not like that. This is the best MB I have found and you are going to have to beat me off with a stick to make me leave.:deadshot Lol. I forgot that smilie was deadshot. No pun intended.

[Trueblue]

Let's see how the conservative administration has shown reverance to the Constitution.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/185259/Bush-Administration-vs-the-US-Constitution-Scorecard

I can't see anything on the page. Do you have another link?

[Capitalist]

Bush is a liberal :shock

I have never thought Bush was a conservative.

He spends like a democrat. He lets the government grow like a democrat. He wants to let a bunch of poor ignorant illegals stay...

Yep you could say he is a liberal on many issues.

In 2000 I voted for Forbes in the primary, not Bush.

In 2004 I skipped the primary no good choices.

The biggest problem with Bush is that on too many issues he acts like a democrat.

[Capitalist]

Yes with your money and sons. And don't ask for any money or help with domestic problems as long as it isn't sneeking or peeking he will have no part of common decency help for America.

Your a moron, more money is being spent domestically now than when Clinton left office, even accounting for inflation, you have no clue what you are talking about.

You dislike him because he lowered taxes on your hated rich.

[Capitalist]

Deadshot, I'm sure you appreciate Cap providing an example of exactly what you were talking about right here in this thread.

And you constantly show my example.

Don't start something you can't finish and don't write checks you can't cash. Beeeee

[Trueblue]

Many conservatives say that, and then act as if the reason that the nation rejected Bush is that Bush is too liberal. :lol Not hardly.

Bush is extremely conservative. He believes in a far stronger executive than any liberal would EVER embrace, and his belief in that is THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS GONE WRONG IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Bush did not share intell that did not suit him in the lead up to the war, he did not act to reign in any spending as long as Publicans proposed it, he did not reign in Karl Rove when Rove acted to preserve political power for the Publicans.

That is what people are disgusted with. The abuse of power, the lies, the low-down political tricks. Not that he didn't act conservative enough.

[Capitalist]

Revere The Constitution...??? First off, I beleive you're suppose to capitalize the letter "C". It maybe a good way to start "revering". I thought you were a Republican? Oh yeah, silly me!!!! A "Do as I say, not as I Do" Republican.

I am not a republican asswipe, I am in the Libertarian/Objectivist frame of mind.

That means I agree with about 50% of whqat republicans want and about 0 to 1% of what democrats want.

I just don;t think much of people who get their power by taking from a group of people who are acheivers and productive to buy the votes of the ingnorant poor.

I am more likely to vote for those who promise me NOTHING but what the constitution called for with it's original intent.

When they start telling me that THEY are going to GIVE me healthcare I want to puke cause THEY are going to STEAL from one group to GIVE me something, well no thanks I will take care of myself and my family. The government just needs to back off so I can.

[Capitalist]

Let's see how the conservative administration has shown reverance to the Constitution.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/185259/Bush-Administration-vs-the-US-Constitution-Scorecard

Yawn, a bunch of leftist bed wetting terrorist protecting crybabies...

I am not impressed.

Tell me patriotsgay, how has any of that effected you or anyone you know?

Also tell me, are you also of the opinion that the government using eminent domain to take property of one person so it can be developed and more taxes paid on it, is against the constitution?

Did you complain about that because that is far worse than any of that crap.

[Trueblue]

And you constantly show my example.

Don't start something you can't finish and don't write checks you can't cash. Beeeee

Cap, I don't illustrate any of your example.

I fight you with facts and reason, and I don't have to resort to using the first letter of a word to call you a name and then lie about what I meant later. :lol

[Capitalist]

Many conservatives say that, and then act as if the reason that the nation rejected Bush is that Bush is too liberal. :lol Not hardly.

Bush is extremely conservative. He believes in a far stronger executive than any liberal would EVER embrace, and his belief in that is THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS GONE WRONG IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Bush did not share intell that did not suit him in the lead up to the war, he did not act to reign in any spending as long as Publicans proposed it, he did not reign in Karl Rove when Rove acted to preserve political power for the Publicans.

That is what people are disgusted with. The abuse of power, the lies, the low-down political tricks. Not that he didn't act conservative enough.


He got 52% of the vote. I can promise you that if his approval is in the high 20's the people who voted for him are not diabroving of him because he is acting too conservative.

As to the he shared only what he wanted, prove it.

[Trueblue]

Yawn, a bunch of leftist bed wetting terrorist protecting crybabies...

I am not impressed.

Tell me patriotsgay, how has any of that effected you or anyone you know?

Also tell me, are you also of the opinion that the government using eminent domain to take property of one person so it can be developed and more taxes paid on it, is against the constitution?

Did you complain about that because that is far worse than any of that crap.

Then please stop the pretense that you are all about original intent.

You are more concerned about property rights than human rights. Therefore, the underlying meaning of the USC has entirely escaped you.

And why are you calling him "patriotsgay"? There's nothing logical about random name-calling.

[Capitalist]

Cap, I don't illustrate any of your example.

I fight you with facts and reason, and I don't have to resort to using the first letter of a word to call you a name and then lie about what I meant later. :lol

Your a leftist/socialist which makes you incapable of using facts or reason.

As to the name, so? I am not lying you are what you are.

[Trueblue]

He got 52% of the vote. I can promise you that if his approval is in the high 20's the people who voted for him are not diabroving of him because he is acting too conservative.

As to the he shared only what he wanted, prove it.

That his approval rating is in the 20s is not an "if".

Your second sentence is garbled, I'm not sure what you claim.

And that he "fixed" the intell has been proven.

[Trueblue]

Your a leftist/socialist which makes you incapable of using facts or reason.

As to the name, so? I am not lying you are what you are.

I'm a liberal.

Being a liberal, a progressive, a socialist, or a leftist, does not make a person incapable of logic. That is sheer nonsense.

As for the lie, you misread my sentence. Here it is again:

I don't have to resort to using the first letter of a word to call you a name and then lie about what I meant later.

[Matt]

Your a moron, more money is being spent domestically now than when Clinton left office, even accounting for inflation, you have no clue what you are talking about.

You dislike him because he lowered taxes on your hated rich.

That should be you ARE a moron, you egotistical -------!
Your is a possessive pronoun ~ like your lack of knowledge makes one think that you're an idiot.

To quote Reagan, 'there you go again,' telling people what they think and how they feel - proving my point!

[issac the dragon]

I've never seen a conservative who wouldn't take a handout. Even when he is saying he doesn't approve of handouts, his hand is still out. They only disapprove of handouts for non-conservatives. We have welfare capitalism in this country. And I'd love to hear a conservative try to prove otherwise.

[April15]

Your a moron, more money is being spent domestically now than when Clinton left office, even accounting for inflation, you have no clue what you are talking about.

You dislike him because he lowered taxes on your hated rich.And mine went up! I don't hate rich people. I find them to be very dishonest, for the most part.

[Capitalist]

Then please stop the pretense that you are all about original intent.

You are more concerned about property rights than human rights. Therefore, the underlying meaning of the USC has entirely escaped you.

And why are you calling him "patriotsgay"? There's nothing logical about random name-calling.

I am concerned about individual rights not group rights.

I called him that because I felt like it?

[Capitalist]

That his approval rating is in the 20s is not an "if".

Your second sentence is garbled, I'm not sure what you claim.

And that he "fixed" the intell has been proven.

What I claim tard, is that nearly half of those who disaprove of him are republicans and others who voted for him, like me. If asked if I approve of his job performance i would have to answer no.

I do not answer no because he is too conservative and neither do the others who voted for hoim that now constitute almost half of those who diaspprove of his performance.

[Deadshot]

As Sandy and others have explained to me, not ALL Conservatives are as I described them. I admitted as much in the first few sentences of the original post.

BUT, people like Cap and Ringo prove my point. The biggest haters, those who do not wish to debate but insult, are on the Right.

The statistics of this site bear out my thesis.:deadshot

[AYFR]

As Sandy and others have explained to me, not ALL Conservatives are as I described them. I admitted as much in the first few sentences of the original post.

BUT, people like Cap and Ringo prove my point. The biggest haters, those who do not wish to debate but insult, are on the Right.

The statistics of this site bear out my thesis.:deadshot
You seem to forget Ihatethenaziright.

[Deadshot]

:deadshotNo, I didn't forget him, I'm simply pointing out that statistically more hate posts come from the Right then the Left on this board.

As I explained to another member with whom I like to debate, as I like to debate with you Rev, I don't hate all Conservative and I enjoy the discussions and debates, but the haters...well that's something different.

If you guys on the Right would/could reign in your haters, I think we on the Left would/could reign in ours. But, I don't really believe that you guys WANT to reign in your haters.

Since there are more of them, i.e. Conservative haters, here then Liberal haters, I think that needed to be pointed out.

[AYFR]

The difference is that our haters are just more noticable then yours. People like Toxic and YDT on your side are haters as well, they just speak more eloquently then Wabash and Ringo do.

[Deadshot]

The difference is that our haters are just more noticable then yours. People like Toxic and YDT on your side are haters as well, they just speak more eloquently then Wabash and Ringo do.

Your haters are also more noticable because of their non-stop posts of hatred and how they answer almost every post with hatred.

Toxic and YDT are usually over the top for me, but to compare them to Ringo and Wabash is like comparing hamburgers to hotdogs. One's at least close to something decent, the other is simply shit that was put together in a sausage factory.:LL

[AYFR]

Your haters are also more noticable because of their non-stop posts of hatred and how they answer almost every post with hatred.

Toxic and YDT are usually over the top for me, but to compare them to Ringo and Wabash is like comparing hamburgers to hotdogs. One's at least close to something decent, the other is simply shit that was put together in a sausage factory.:LL

:lol

[AYFR]

I guess we just disagree then.

[issac the dragon]

I think we should try to talk Ihatethenaziright into posting here, to level the playing field. And he provides links to his posts which mostly the radicals here do not do.

[toxic]

The difference is that our haters are just more noticable then yours. People like Toxic and YDT on your side are haters as well, they just speak more eloquently then Wabash and Ringo do.

The difference is, us Liberals don't go looking for a hassle.

I didn't care what crazy religious people thought till they started talking about changing the Constitution or putting creation in school books.

I didn't care what illegal aliens did, until they started congregating on the corners of the town where I live, taking jobs and making sexual overatures to my wife.

[Capitalist]

I'm a liberal.

Being a liberal, a progressive, a socialist, or a leftist, does not make a person incapable of logic. That is sheer nonsense.

As for the lie, you misread my sentence. Here it is again:

If you think it is fair for the majority to vote itself stuff by taking it form the minority, you indeed lack logic if you think we will take it forever without consequences.

[Capitalist]

That should be you ARE a moron, you egotistical -------!
Your is a possessive pronoun ~ like your lack of knowledge makes one think that you're an idiot.

To quote Reagan, 'there you go again,' telling people what they think and how they feel - proving my point!

No my lack of time to double check everything I type means I have better things to do.

If you think I could be a computer programmer, analyst, project manager and director of IT for almost 30 years and be a moron or unintelligent, then it is you that proves my point.

You want something or want to give something to someone else earn it yourself and then give it away.

[Capitalist]

I've never seen a conservative who wouldn't take a handout. Even when he is saying he doesn't approve of handouts, his hand is still out. They only disapprove of handouts for non-conservatives. We have welfare capitalism in this country. And I'd love to hear a conservative try to prove otherwise.

I want an example of that? What the fuck is welfare capitalism?

[Capitalist]

And mine went up! I don't hate rich people. I find them to be very dishonest, for the most part.

I am sure you do, you leftist socialist must first demonize or dehumanize your victimes first.

Plus I think your a fucking liar, I don't thgink you know many wealthy people.

[Capitalist]

As Sandy and others have explained to me, not ALL Conservatives are as I described them. I admitted as much in the first few sentences of the original post.

BUT, people like Cap and Ringo prove my point. The biggest haters, those who do not wish to debate but insult, are on the Right.

The statistics of this site bear out my thesis.:deadshot

Disagreement is not hate, get the fuck over that.

[Capitalist]

:deadshotNo, I didn't forget him, I'm simply pointing out that statistically more hate posts come from the Right then the Left on this board.

As I explained to another member with whom I like to debate, as I like to debate with you Rev, I don't hate all Conservative and I enjoy the discussions and debates, but the haters...well that's something different.

If you guys on the Right would/could reign in your haters, I think we on the Left would/could reign in ours. But, I don't really believe that you guys WANT to reign in your haters.

Since there are more of them, i.e. Conservative haters, here then Liberal haters, I think that needed to be pointed out.


Virtually every post by YDT is seething with hate for conservatives, he alone proves your point is shit.

[Capitalist]

Your haters are also more noticable because of their non-stop posts of hatred and how they answer almost every post with hatred.

Toxic and YDT are usually over the top for me, but to compare them to Ringo and Wabash is like comparing hamburgers to hotdogs. One's at least close to something decent, the other is simply shit that was put together in a sausage factory.:LL

You consider him decent only because you agree with him.

[Capitalist]

The difference is, us Liberals don't go looking for a hassle.

I didn't care what crazy religious people thought till they started talking about changing the Constitution or putting creation in school books.

I didn't care what illegal aliens did, until they started congregating on the corners of the town where I live, taking jobs and making sexual overatures to my wife.

If the religious people can convince 2/3 of the House and Senate and a like number of state legislatures to go along it is their right to try that. By what right do you deny them the constitutional remedy they seek.

At least they intend to use the constitution rather than the judicial fiat they want to overthrow.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Virtually every post by YDT is seething with hate for conservatives, he alone proves your point is shit.Hate is a republican family value. I am not the moron/coward who is making threats of physical violence against other posters.

I do not believe in hate and do not hate anyone. Heck I do not hate bush. I may not respect the intelligence of other posters and many politicians (bush for example) but respect has to be earned (BTW, cappy has demonstrated repeatedly that he does not warrant my respect).

If cappy/willyboy think that I am being unfair, he can prove me wrong by posting something intelligent. Given his track record, I do not think that this is going to happen

[April15]

I am sure you do, you leftist socialist must first demonize or dehumanize your victimes first.

Plus I think your a fucking liar, I don't thgink you know many wealthy people.I must have hit a nerve there! Lieing is a conservative trait. As a free spirit I have no need or desire to fib. As to wealthy people check out 94010 for home values. There are plenty of dishonest people there. It is my zip code for 58 years.