Republicans and Ralph Nader

[jim]

Did the Republicans pay Ralph Nader to enter the race to take away part of the Democrat vote??? I understand that the Republicans are saying that the "Democrats would as well give up and go home now." They can't discern that the country is fed up with them:rooster:devil

[Partyless]

Did the Republicans pay Ralph Nader to enter the race to take away part of the Democrat vote??? I understand that the Republicans are saying that the "Democrats would as well give up and go home now." They can't discern that the country is fed up with them

Remember there are two sides here - if the Republicans are actually paying Nader to enter the race, that makes Ralph Nader even more of a narcissistic asshat for taking the money.

Either way it sucks! Although there's a quote in this article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/24/nader.politics/index.html

that cracked me up. Obama stated "He seems to have a pretty high opinion of his own work."

[jim]

Remember there are two sides here - if the Republicans are actually paying Nader to enter the race, that makes Ralph Nader even more of a narcissistic asshat for taking the money.

Either way it sucks! Although there's a quote in this article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/24/nader.politics/index.html

that cracked me up. Obama stated

This whole thing as well as the whole damned country has evolved into hell of a near non-descript mess:mw:rooster

[patriotsblade]

Nader got less than half of a million votes in 2004, he's irrelevant. He needs to boost his ego for whatever reason, just ingnore him, everyone else does. :D

[jim]

Nader got less than half of a million votes in 2004, he's irrelevant. He needs to boost his ego for whatever reason, just ingnore him, everyone else does. :D

I told my wife when we heard this that I didn't think he would be significant - especially under the circumstances:rooster

[issac the dragon]

I am really not overly concerned about the man. His followers have decreased every time he runs. The country was very different when he aborted Gore. His run serves nothing but an attempt to convince himself that he is relevant to anything.

[Capitalist]

Did the Republicans pay Ralph Nader to enter the race to take away part of the Democrat vote??? I understand that the Republicans are saying that the "Democrats would as well give up and go home now." They can't discern that the country is fed up with them:rooster:devil

I am pretty sure that a bunch of his funding comes from republicans. I am considering making a donation myself.

Of course the country is fed up, the current crop of republicans in congress have been acting like democrats.

[Capitalist]

Nader got less than half of a million votes in 2004, he's irrelevant. He needs to boost his ego for whatever reason, just ingnore him, everyone else does. :D

Sorry but if a bunch of those 1/2 million are in Florida and Ohio, it will make a huge difference.

The electoral college cares not if your margin of victory is 1 vote or 1 million.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I am pretty sure that a bunch of his funding comes from republicans. I am considering making a donation myself.Good. You can pay off some of thet $80,000 that Nader owes for his 2004 attempt.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5DA133EF937A1575BC0A9609C8B 63Ralph Nader and his running mate must pay more than $80,000 in expenses for the lawsuit that challenged their nominating papers and kept them off the 2004 presidential ballot, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled. There was an implication of ''fraud and deception'' in their petition drive, the court said. A group of Pennsylvania voters sued to block Mr. Nader, left, and his running mate, Peter Camejo, who were campaigning as independents, from being placed on the ballot. As a result of the lawsuit, the State Commonwealth Court found wide-ranging improprieties among Mr. Nader and Mr. Camejo's petition signatures and disqualified nearly two-thirds of the 51,000 signatures they submitted. This would be appropriate since Nader relied on some GOP types to collect signatures and so had a ton of fake signatures.

Nader was kept off the ballot in 2004 because no party would agree to support his campaign. I imagine that Nader will have a hard time getting on the ballot in all of the states.

[jim]

I am pretty sure that a bunch of his funding comes from republicans. I am considering making a donation myself.

Of course the country is fed up, the current crop of republicans in congress have been acting like democrats.

Would that they did instead of the fascists they are:godzilla

[Capitalist]

Good. You can pay off some of thet $80,000 that Nader owes for his 2004 attempt.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5DA133EF937A1575BC0A9609C8B 63This would be appropriate since Nader relied on some GOP types to collect signatures and so had a ton of fake signatures.

Nader was kept off the ballot in 2004 because no party would agree to support his campaign. I imagine that Nader will have a hard time getting on the ballot in all of the states.

No he was kept off the ballot by a bunch of democrats bringing lawsuits to keep him off.

Funny how the party that whines about every vote being cast and every vote being counted works so hard to keep an option off the ballot.

Looks like they just want the votes for them to be cast and counted.

http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/

[Capitalist]

Would that they did instead of the fascists they are:godzilla

Interesting, but tell me, which party is for larger government? Which for more control by the state?

Facist, a nice buzzword but has no substance.

[Wabash]

Did the Republicans pay Ralph Nader to enter the race to take away part of the Democrat vote??? I understand that the Republicans are saying that the "Democrats would as well give up and go home now." They can't discern that the country is fed up with them:rooster:devil
Might as well...soooo many Demos are fed up with their candidates!

I am pretty sure that a bunch of his funding comes from republicans. I am considering making a donation myself.

Of course the country is fed up, the current crop of republicans in congress have been acting like democrats.
Yep...I'll have to send some money his way...
I agree...Demo acting Republicans...nothing could be worse!

Sorry but if a bunch of those 1/2 million are in Florida and Ohio, it will make a huge difference.

The electoral college cares not if your margin of victory is 1 vote or 1 million.
Yep!:mw

Good. You can pay off some of thet $80,000 that Nader owes for his 2004 attempt.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5DA133EF937A1575BC0A9609C8B 63This would be appropriate since Nader relied on some GOP types to collect signatures and so had a ton of fake signatures.

Nader was kept off the ballot in 2004 because no party would agree to support his campaign. I imagine that Nader will have a hard time getting on the ballot in all of the states.
Did Jesse The Mouth ever pay off his debts?
Anything Nader can do to throw a monkey wrench into Demoville is a Good thing!

[Wabash]

No he was kept off the ballot by a bunch of democrats bringing lawsuits to keep him off.

Funny how the party that whines about every vote being cast and every vote being counted works so hard to keep an option off the ballot.

Looks like they just want the votes for them to be cast and counted.

http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/
And Whinnnnnne they do!
Interesting, but tell me, which party is for larger government? Which for more control by the state?

Facist, a nice buzzword but has no substance.
Libs love buzzwords...it helps them with their insecurities!:LL
Did you know that anti anxiety drugs were developed by liberals for liberals?

[Yellowdogtexan]

No he was kept off the ballot by a bunch of democrats bringing lawsuits to keep him off.Again, you are poorly informed about the process. The Green party rejected Nader as their nominee in 2004 and Nader will also not be their nominee in 2008. This means that Nader has to run as an independent.

Most states treat pure independents very differently compared to the nominees of a party (even a fringe party). That is how Pat Buchannan got on all of the ballots in 2000 and why Nader was on the ballots in 2000but not 2004.

As an independent, Nader need to comply with the law of each state. In Pennsyvlania, Nader relied on a group of republicans to help him get on the ballot and these republicans of course tried to cheat (it is what republicans do). As a result a high percentage of nader's signatures were disqualifed and Nader was assessed $80,000 in costs which he still evidently owes. Last summer, I saw that Nader spoke to the Green Party about this issue and he whined about the judgment against him.

If Nader wants to get on the ballot in Pennsyvlania, he will have to pay this judgement. Any campaign funds that he raises may be levied against to pay this judgment. I urge repubicans to contribute to Nader and help him pay off his debt.

[Capitalist]

Again, you are poorly informed about the process. The Green party rejected Nader as their nominee in 2004 and Nader will also not be their nominee in 2008. This means that Nader has to run as an independent.

Most states treat pure independents very differently compared to the nominees of a party (even a fringe party). That is how Pat Buchannan got on all of the ballots in 2000 and why Nader was on the ballots in 2000but not 2004.

As an independent, Nader need to comply with the law of each state. In Pennsyvlania, Nader relied on a group of republicans to help him get on the ballot and these republicans of course tried to cheat (it is what republicans do). As a result a high percentage of nader's signatures were disqualifed and Nader was assessed $80,000 in costs which he still evidently owes. Last summer, I saw that Nader spoke to the Green Party about this issue and he whined about the judgment against him.

If Nader wants to get on the ballot in Pennsyvlania, he will have to pay this judgement. Any campaign funds that he raises may be levied against to pay this judgment. I urge repubicans to contribute to Nader and help him pay off his debt.

Your a real piece of .... work...

It is on the record that demcrats and people tied to them sued to keep him off the ballot.

That is just a fact that is not in dispute.

SWtop pontificating and come up with sonething original for once ...


heal dog Heal...

[Wabash]

Your a real piece of .... work...

It is on the record that demcrats and people tied to them sued to keep him off the ballot.

That is just a fact that is not in dispute.

SWtop pontificating and come up with sonething original for once ...


heal dog Heal...

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Yellowdogtexan]

Your a real piece of .... work...

It is on the record that demcrats and people tied to them sued to keep him off the ballot..The Democrats and others sued to enforce the Penns. election laws. Again, these laws treat an independent differently than the candidate of a party and Nader was not able to satisfy the requirments to get on the ballot in 2004 despite the help from a republican group who purported to collect signatures for Nader.

In any event, there is a judgment pending against Nader and so please contribute to Nader. The plaintiff lawyers will be glad to levy against such campaign contributions and some of that money may indeed find its way back to the Democrats.

The New Hampshire GOP is still paying off a settlement owed to the DNC for some dirty tricks in the 2002 elections which means that a percentage of all contributions to the New Hampshrie GOP goes straight to the DNC.

[jim]

Interesting, but tell me, which party is for larger government? Which for more control by the state?

Facist, a nice buzzword but has no substance.

Tax cuts and small government are attempts at throwing people off. The ones "thrown off" are the ones for Furher "W" et al. Hell: They would love to have their own eugenics too - Hamiltonian style where they twist the knife a lot slower...:godzilla BTW -

[Yellowdogtexan]

Your a real piece of .... work...
heal dog Heal...I have been trying to decide as to whether you are trying some sort of weak joke (conservatives tend to lack a sense of humor) or if you simply do not know what the proper command is. Since you have yet to every post anything that is remotely intelligent, I am leaning toward the concept that you are simply ignorant on this issue just as you are ignorant on some many other things.

The proper command is heel and not heal. Seehttp://home.att.net/~vlea/Basic_Dog_Obedience.htmI hope that this link clears up this issue for you.

[Ringo]

Interesting, but tell me, which party is for larger government? Which for more control by the state?

Facist, a nice buzzword but has no substance.

You haven't met Jim yet Capitalist, he is for Dems because he is an Economy American, and how it effects his greedy assed World! He would live under Stalin as long it didn't effect his little piece of the World!

He ranks about 4th on the Board crybaby list, led by:

YellowStreak Texan:sheep

Pattyrot( American Deserter ):mw

True Blue (Females Top Whiner):mw

Finally we have (3 Car Garage) Jim:mw

[toxic]

Interesting, but tell me, which party is for larger government? Which for more control by the state? ...

That's easy - the Republicans.

-They have doubled the size of government.
-They have increased the National Debt by $6 Trillion.
-They have taken Earmarks from a rarity to the common place.
-They have violated the Bill of Rights, with illegal wiretaps, revoking Habeas Corpus, etc.
-They have violated the Geneva Convention and various International Treaties, with torture, rendition, etc.
-They want to incease the size of the military to support new wars.
- etc

[jim]

You haven't met Jim yet Capitalist, he is for Dems because he is an Economy American, and how it effects his greedy assed World! He would live under Stalin as long it didn't effect his little piece of the World!

He ranks about 4th on the Board crybaby list, led by:
YellowStreak Texan:sheep

Pattyrot( American Deserter ):mw

True Blue (Females Top Whiner):mw

Finally we have (3 Car Garage) Jim:mw


Cry baby??? No: Y'all don't know me ...Some do!!! and they know better than that...When the Repubs run out of money to talk for them - they will melt like butter in the Summer Sun:mw I am like another ol' goat I knew: I might not be here tomorrow but I'm a mean SOB today - if I have to be.:deadshot

[Capitalist]

The Democrats and others sued to enforce the Penns. election laws. Again, these laws treat an independent differently than the candidate of a party and Nader was not able to satisfy the requirments to get on the ballot in 2004 despite the help from a republican group who purported to collect signatures for Nader.

In any event, there is a judgment pending against Nader and so please contribute to Nader. The plaintiff lawyers will be glad to levy against such campaign contributions and some of that money may indeed find its way back to the Democrats.

The New Hampshire GOP is still paying off a settlement owed to the DNC for some dirty tricks in the 2002 elections which means that a percentage of all contributions to the New Hampshrie GOP goes straight to the DNC.


So why do they not want to enforce election laws that call for a voter having and showing ID?

Seems your will to enforce election laws depends on what is best for dems.

PS - These election laws that keep others off the ballots , aren't they passed by the 2 major parties to protect their interests over those of the people?

[Capitalist]

Tax cuts and small government are attempts at throwing people off. The ones "thrown off" are the ones for Furher "W" et al. Hell: They would love to have their own eugenics too - Hamiltonian style where they twist the knife a lot slower...:godzilla BTW -

Did you actually say anything?

[Capitalist]

You haven't met Jim yet Capitalist, he is for Dems because he is an Economy American, and how it effects his greedy assed World! He would live under Stalin as long it didn't effect his little piece of the World!

He ranks about 4th on the Board crybaby list, led by:

YellowStreak Texan:sheep

Pattyrot( American Deserter ):mw

True Blue (Females Top Whiner):mw

Finally we have (3 Car Garage) Jim:mw

I know Jim, I ran his ass off another board and he came here because there are more morons like himself.

[Capitalist]

That's easy - the Republicans.

-They have doubled the size of government.
-
This is one reason the democrats are back in power in congress, if you are going to increase the size of government might as well have the experts do it.



They have increased the National Debt by $6 Trillion.
Another reason they are out.


-They have taken Earmarks from a rarity to the common place.
So the dems don't do this?


-They have violated the Bill of Rights, with illegal wiretaps, revoking Habeas Corpus, etc.

Sorry but that is not true, the courts have upheld most of it and when they don't the y stop doing it.


-They have violated the Geneva Convention and various International Treaties, with torture, rendition, etc.
If you read the GC ( I have) you will discover that people not representiing a known state and not wesaring uniforms of that state are not covered under the GC. Besides i really don't mind them doing that to terrorist scum.

-They want to incease the size of the military to support new wars.

They have to increase it because Clinton made it so small. Besides the best way to avoid a fight is to be such a bad ass no one want to fight you. For instance I have had very few fights inmy life, there is a reason for that...


Now please tell me, do you assert that the democrats will make government smaller?

- etc

[toxic]

Capitalist is apparently ashamed that the Republcains have ran the US government and Economy into the ground, but still wants to be bent-over-the-table some more.

I think he should change his name to Copulate.

[jim]

Did you actually say anything?

Not to you...You can't understand anything but literal trivia:akbar

[jim]

I know Jim, I ran his ass off another board and he came here because there are more morons like himself.

Naw you didn't - I just got tired of trying to argue with morons...Note my signature on here...


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[jim]

This is one reason the democrats are back in power in congress, if you are going to increase the size of government might as well have the experts do it.




Another reason they are out.



So the dems don't do this?




Sorry but that is not true, the courts have upheld most of it and when they don't the y stop doing it.



If you read the GC ( I have) you will discover that people not representiing a known state and not wesaring uniforms of that state are not covered under the GC. Besides i really don't mind them doing that to terrorist scum.



They have to increase it because Clinton made it so small. Besides the best way to avoid a fight is to be such a bad ass no one want to fight you. For instance I have had very few fights inmy life, there is a reason for that...

Now please tell me, do you assert that the democrats will make government smaller?

- etc

Well, Well - Here we go again:sumo:rooster:lmao

[Capitalist]

Capitalist is apparently ashamed that the Republcains have ran the US government and Economy into the ground, but still wants to be bent-over-the-table some more.

I think he should change his name to Copulate.

No I am just honest and when my side screws up and they have, they need to know about it.

The reason they are screwing up is because they are acting like we expect democrats ot act.

On

Immigration, size of government, spending all issues where acting like democrats have cost them votes.

You don't think the people who voted for Bush are mad because he is doing what we wanted him to do , do you?

[Trueblue]

First, Capitalist, you are factually mistaken about the Geneva Conventions. The Bush administration has discovered what everybody with common sense and a bit of reading ability already knew-that the conventions apply to all humans.

Second, the current crop of Pubs have been acting exactly like Pubs, and that is why they are so unpopular. Living here in Tennessee, I know that for Pubs to lower taxes and increase spending is not the slightest bit out of character.

[Yellowdogtexan]

If you read the GC ( I have) you will discover that people not representiing a known state and not wesaring uniforms of that state are not covered under the GC. Besides i really don't mind them doing that to terrorist scum.Again your reading skills are non-existent. Luckily your opinion on what the Geneva Conventions say does not matter because the SCOTUS has held that the Geneva Conventions do indeed apply to everyone. Like so many silly and ignorant laypersons, you may not know that there is more than one set of Geneva Conventions and each of these Conventions contain something called Common Article III that protects even the detainees in Cuba.

I love it when silly laypersons try to read a statute or treaty. They are so funny when they get it wrong.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is amusing. I did not know that the law firm had put a lien and freeze on Nader's personal bank account. Nader is running to raise money to pay off this judgment and I hope that the republicans chip in so that the law firm and lawyers get their money back.http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20080226_Not_so_fast__Democrats_tell_Nader.htmlHAR RISBURG - Ralph Nader has jumped into the presidential race, contending that he wants to energize third-party politics.But angry Pennsylvania Democrats say Nader should first settle his legal bills from his last presidential campaign.

And until he does, lawyers from Pittsburgh have persuaded a Washington judge to freeze $61,000 in Nader's personal bank accounts.

Nevertheless, a defiant Nader said that this year he would once again seek a place on the Pennsylvania ballot, and in an interview he delivered a sharp dig at the state.

"Pennsylvania is the poster child for obstructing small-party and independent candidates to get on the ballot," Nader said. "They should give voters choice."

Since 2004, Nader has been locked in a tangled series of court battles with Democrats, stemming from his failed attempt to get on the state ballot in 2004.

Democratic anger at Nader dates back to his 2000 run, when many in the party became convinced that the votes he received in Florida cost Al Gore the election.

So when Nader tried to get on the ballot in 2004, the law firm of Reed Smith, representing a group of Democratic voters, filed suit, alleging that many of the required petition signatures Nader had submitted in Pennsylvania were fraudulent. Commonwealth Court agreed and, in a decision upheld by the state Supreme Court, found that only 37 percent of the 51,273 signatures were valid.

Commonwealth Court Judge James Gardner Colins, elected as a Democrat, called the petition "the most deceitful and fraudulent exercise ever perpetrated on this court."

In January 2005, Commonwealth Court ordered Nader and his running mate, Peter Camejo, to pay the Reed Smith firm $81,102 in costs for copying and expert witnesses. Camejo settled with the firm for $20,000.

The firm last summer placed a freeze on Nader's personal bank accounts in Washington, where Nader lives, seeking to obtain the remaining $61,000 in court costs.

Reed Smith says it wants to recover what's owed by the losing party: the costs for transcripts and fees for experts in handwriting analysis.

Nader maintains that the imposition of court fees in a case such as his are akin to a "poll tax" and constitute a civil rights violation.

"Candidates' rights are a lot like voters' rights 50 years ago," Nader said.

Nader alleges that his case represented the first time in U.S. history that a court assessed a post-election penalty against a candidate defending his right to be on the ballot.

Pennsylvania Democratic Party officials say Nader is trying to apply his own standard to the law.

"The bottom line is he fraudulently tried to obtain access to the Pennsylvania ballot," said Democratic Party chairman T.J. Rooney. "He should satisfy his outstanding obligations before trying to do it again."

Gregory Harvey, a lawyer with Montgomery, McCracken, Walker & Rhoads, which also represented the plaintiffs, said candidates should not be exempt from paying court costs if they lose.

[Wabash]

Again your reading skills are non-existent. Luckily your opinion on what the Geneva Conventions say does not matter because the SCOTUS has held that the Geneva Conventions do indeed apply to everyone. Like so many silly and ignorant laypersons, you may not know that there is more than one set of Geneva Conventions and each of these Conventions contain something called Common Article III that protects even the detainees in Cuba.

I love it when silly laypersons try to read a statute or treaty. They are so funny when they get it wrong.
Pretty silly protecting gorilla fighters with a law like that!
Must have been Demos in office when that was signed....

This is amusing. I did not know that the law firm had put a lien and freeze on Nader's personal bank account. Nader is running to raise money to pay off this judgment and I hope that the republicans chip in so that the law firm and lawyers get their money back.http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20080226_Not_so_fast__Democrats_tell_Nader.html
I hope that Nader's running fucks up the entire Democratic agenda!:hotdog Now THAT would be amusing!

[jim]

Pretty silly protecting gorilla fighters with a law like that!
Must have been Demos in office when that was signed....


I hope that Nader's running fucks up the entire Democratic agenda!:hotdog Now THAT would be amusing!


I think it won't:rooster:akbar

[Trueblue]

Pretty silly protecting gorilla fighters with a law like that!
Must have been Demos in office when that was signed....


I hope that Nader's running fucks up the entire Democratic agenda!:hotdog Now THAT would be amusing!

That's the funny thing about human rights-they apply to all humans.

What good would a Geneva convention be if it didn't apply to all? Don't you realize that the difference between an insurgent, a terrorist, and a freedom fighter sometimes depends on your situation?

[Ringo]

That's the funny thing about human rights-they apply to all humans.

What good would a Geneva convention be if it didn't apply to all? Don't you realize that the difference between an insurgent, a terrorist, and a freedom fighter sometimes depends on your situation?

Except IRAQI'S, right TB? We shouldn't meddle in their affairs, just because Saddam murdered thousands for simply not agreeing with him, and women are a grade above pack mules and prostitutes!! Noop, no Human Right Violations there??

[Trueblue]

Except IRAQI'S, right TB? We shouldn't meddle in their affairs, just because Saddam murdered thousands for simply not agreeing with him, and women are a grade above pack mules and prostitutes!! Noop, no Human Right Violations there??

Actually, many women there say that they were far better off under Saddam. They are not, of course, Kurdish women.

You are muddling issues here. We cannot use military force to straighten out the entire world, and make it over according to our standards and call that a defense of human rights.

[Trueblue]

Except IRAQI'S, right TB? We shouldn't meddle in their affairs, just because Saddam murdered thousands for simply not agreeing with him, and women are a grade above pack mules and prostitutes!! Noop, no Human Right Violations there??

PS, for you to talk about the rights of Iraqis is really hypocritical.

[Ringo]

Again your reading skills are non-existent. Luckily your opinion on what the Geneva Conventions say does not matter because the SCOTUS has held that the Geneva Conventions do indeed apply to everyone. Like so many silly and ignorant laypersons, you may not know that there is more than one set of Geneva Conventions and each of these Conventions contain something called Common Article III that protects even the detainees in Cuba.

I love it when silly laypersons try to read a statute or treaty. They are so funny when they get it wrong.

I find it interesting, that IF you are such a great fucking LAWYER, why do you find so much time to Post in a fucking Forum??

I call my lawyers sevearl times a week and they are always busy or with other clients??

You know Doggie we all have something we do quite well, and I am sure I would find it funny watching you put a Quarter Horse through its paces, or trailing and capturing a fugitive, and many others on here have specialties in thier lives, so hearing you brag about being a scumsucker doesn't impress me!!:akbar:mw

[Trueblue]

I thought the same thing when you were talking about all the time you spent outdoors, doing Indian rituals.

"How does Ringo find a keyboard out there living the Indian life?" :think


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