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patriotsblade
02-19-2008, 09:26 PM
http://us.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/19/feb19.contests/index.html


(CNN) -- Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain will win in Wisconsin, CNN projects.

The victory marks the ninth consecutive win for Obama over rival Hillary Clinton.

In the Republican race, Wisconsin gives McCain at least 13 more delegates; 24 more delegates are to be awarded to the winner of each congressional district.

The remaining three GOP delegates are unpledged Republican National Committee members.

"I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change," McCain told supporters -- in what appeared to be a dig at Obama.

McCain has increasingly targeted Obama as the Illinois senator has emerged as the front-runner in the Democratic race.

"Our purpose is to keep this blessed country free, safe, prosperous and proud," McCain said.

McCain is the presumptive nominee for his party, but he must pick up 1,191 delegates to seal the nomination.

While the Arizona senator leads by a wide margin in the delegate count, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has said he intends to stay in the race.

"We see the last stand only when somebody has 1,191 delegates," Huckabee said Tuesday.

"Other than that, we may go all the way to Minneapolis-St. Paul, to the convention.

"People are for the most part spoiled by the last three election cycles when it's sort of a done deal before we ever got to the convention," he said.

"It might boost enthusiasm for the party if we got to the convention, then decided who the nominee was going to be."

McCain was looking for big wins Tuesday to demonstrate he is starting to unify the Republican party behind his nomination, including conservatives upset by his positions on immigration, campaign finance and other issues.

The Democratic contenders, speaking in states that hold critical primaries March 4, were already looking ahead of the Democratic primary in Wisconsin -- the biggest of the three states up for grabs Tuesday.

Clinton told an audience in the Cleveland suburb of Parma, Ohio, that more needs to be done to aid cities. "I think we have to think more creatively. We can't just do the same things over and over again," the New York senator said.

In San Antonio, Texas, Obama said predatory lenders who are now in financial trouble spent millions lobbying Congress, and some contributed heavily to Bush's campaign. He called the situation "an outrage."

"It didn't have to be this way. For some time we'd been warned that the problems in the housing market could spill into other corners of the economy," Obama said in his opening remarks.

"And yet rather than stop it from happening, George Bush's Washington was an enabler, caving in to lobbyists and letting our economy go down a dangerous road."

Early voting began in Texas on Tuesday.

Clinton and Obama were running a tight race for the Democratic nomination, while on the Republican side, presumptive nominee McCain was hoping voters could help him finally knock his last major rival out of the race.View pictures from the polls and campaign trail »

In addition to Wisconsin, Washington state and Hawaii were holding contests Tuesday.

McCain and Obama have been targeting each other in campaign speeches recently, but Tuesday morning, their wives got into the fray.

As Cindy McCain introduced her husband at a campaign event, she told the crowd "I am proud of my country. I don't know about you, if you heard those words earlier -- I am very proud of my country."

The comment seemed to be a response to a remark from Michelle Obama the day before. On Monday, she told a Wisconsin audience that "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback.... not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

After Tuesday's event, the McCains were asked if the Arizona senator's wife had been responding to that comment. Cindy McCain did not directly answer the question, responding: "I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country."

Meanwhile, as voters headed to the polls in Wisconsin Tuesday, they faced some fierce conditions.

I-Reporter Michael Stouffer of Wausau, Wisconsin, said the weather would not stop him from getting to the polls, though he did fear the snowfall could prevent the elderly from voting.

Stouffer said he was prepared to vote for Obama in the Democratic primary after voting Republican in the last election.

"I think Hillary has the experience, but it's time to take the tablecloth off and give it a shake," he said.

Whether Obama can convince more voters like Stouffer -- independents and Republicans -- to vote for him may be key to an Obama victory in Wisconsin.

Obama also was looking for a win in the Hawaii Democratic caucuses, the state where the Illinois senator was born and still has family.

Obama leads Clinton in the overall delegate count -- 1,263 to 1,212, according to CNN estimates. The estimate includes the support of superdelegates, the party officials and elected officials who are free to vote for any candidate at the party's national convention. Check out a list of the superdelegates »

Ninety-four Democratic delegates are at stake Tuesday.

Both candidates are short of the 2,025 delegates needed to win the nomination, and it is very likely the roughly 800 superdelegates will ultimately decide who will be chosen as the Democratic presidential nominee.

Recent polls show Clinton has a chance in Wisconsin at ending Obama's winning streak. According to an American Research Group poll conducted February 15 and 16, the two candidates are in a statistical tie, with Clinton at 49 percent and Obama at 43 percent. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. Watch the candidate stump in snowy Wisconsin »

Another poll of Wisconsin Democratic primary voters conducted by Research 2000 for Madison television station WISC also indicates the race is too close to call. The WISC poll had Obama at 47 percent and Clinton at 42 percent. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 5 percentage points.

In Wisconsin, Clinton is expected to do well in the Milwaukee metropolitan area and the the industrialized Fox River valley, which includes Appleton and Green Bay, in the northeastern portion of the state. Both areas have a high percentage of blue collar voters, a group Clinton has done well with in previous primaries.

Obama is expected to do well in the state's capital, Madison, which is known for its progressive politics. Obama, who has outperformed Clinton among younger voters, should also do well in the Madison area because of the large student body at the University of Wisconsin.

No polling is available for the Hawaii Democratic caucus. The Clinton campaign dispatched Chelsea Clinton, the candidate's daughter, to rally support. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, has stumped for her brother. Watch the Democrats battle for Hawaii »

Democrats in Washington state were voting Tuesday, and election officials were opening ballots in the largely vote-by-mail state. The results will have no impact on how the state's delegates will be distributed because the delegate allocation was determined February 9 when Washington Democrats held caucuses. Obama beat Clinton, 68 percent to 31 percent.

The Republican candidates were competing for 19 delegates in Washington. Eighteen delegates were awarded earlier in the state's caucuses

Saguaro
02-19-2008, 09:34 PM
:paclap for Obama

Wabash
02-19-2008, 09:42 PM
THAT MAKES IT: NINE IN A ROW!

Wisconsin Exit Polls:
Obama Won:
Women (51-49)
All age groups under 65
All education levels
All regions of the state -- urban, suburban and rural
Voters without college degrees (50-48)
Democrats (50-49)
Whites (53-46)
White men (59-38)
Voters who decided in the last week (58-42)

Won or tied voters of all income levels
Tied among white women
Tied among union members
Tied among union households

Wabash
02-19-2008, 09:44 PM
Is it time for a Black President? That's a lot of HOPE folks....and a lot more SPEC....

Betting on an unknown horse...you wouldn't do it at the track, why are ya all doing it on this guy?

Trueblue
02-19-2008, 09:45 PM
:yep

jim
02-19-2008, 09:59 PM
Is it time for a Black President? That's a lot of HOPE folks....and a lot more SPEC....

Betting on an unknown horse...you wouldn't do it at the track, why are ya all doing it on this guy?


Cause the "known" Horses are all lame and broken down. Some are senile:ohyeah

Wabash
02-19-2008, 10:10 PM
Is it time for a Black President? That's a lot of HOPE folks....and a lot more SPEC....

Betting on an unknown horse...you wouldn't do it at the track, why are ya all doing it on this guy?


Cause the "known" Horses are all lame and broken down. Some are senile:ohyeah
I don't agree on any of that....

It's pretty sad thou, with all the schools, technology and intelligence ...in these United States....this current crop is the Best that we can find? Very sad indeed!

Saguaro
02-19-2008, 10:17 PM
Obama can unite this country,McCain was beaten down by Bush , which proves to me that McCain cannot hold his own

Wabash
02-19-2008, 10:23 PM
Obama can unite this country,McCain was beaten down by Bush , which proves to me that McCain cannot hold his own

I don't think Obama can either...I may be wrong, but he could be a disaster!

Saguaro
02-19-2008, 10:25 PM
:lmao

Lone Laugher
02-19-2008, 10:35 PM
What?! Wabby MAY be wrong?! No fucking way!


Obama is not just the lesser of evils. He is an outstanding candidate. His speech tonight was full of details as well as inspiration. He's got what it takes.

Wabash
02-19-2008, 10:46 PM
:lmao
You think that funny huh?

What?! Wabby MAY be wrong?! No fucking way!


Obama is not just the lesser of evils. He is an outstanding candidate. His speech tonight was full of details as well as inspiration. He's got what it takes.
True, the lesser of evils. Yes, he gives inspiring speeches and he is a good orator. I didn't hear his speech, but details are good.
I hope you are right, because HOPE is just another 4 letter word and it's hard to define and or grasp. Kinda like the brass ring....
And.....Wabby MAY be right on the money too!

Saguaro
02-19-2008, 10:56 PM
You refuse to listen to what Obama is saying. At least I listen to the drivel from McCain,the Bush puppet

Wabash
02-19-2008, 11:00 PM
You refuse to listen to what Obama is saying. At least I listen to the drivel from McCain,the Bush puppet

No, I don't refuse, I was otherwise occupied. I watched his entire interview on 60 Min. a couple weeks ago...I liked most of what he had to say...and I think his wife is.....HOT!

Wabash
02-19-2008, 11:05 PM
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDWRpYH0A6F1DtXM9rq_fDPU2dbg

Ohhh, the political correctness of it all.........:mw

Wabash
02-19-2008, 11:10 PM
When something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.....I think Obama is filling your liberal heads with sugar plums and soft warm fuzzie clouds of..............Nothing!

Yellowdogtexan
02-19-2008, 11:18 PM
This is getting fun. Senator Obama had a great dig about McCain's age in his speech tonight. McCain's policies are old (just like McCain).

There was nastiness tonight when Obama went on the air and caused all of the networks to cut out 20 minutes of Senator Clinton's speech. Evidently she refused to make a concession speech and so the Obama campaign felt justified in preempting her television time

Wabash
02-19-2008, 11:23 PM
This is getting fun. Senator Obama had a great dig about McCain's age in his speech tonight. McCain's policies are old (just like McCain).

There was nastiness tonight when Obama went on the air and caused all of the networks to cut out 20 minutes of Senator Clinton's speech. Evidently she refused to make a concession speech and so the Obama campaign felt justified in preempting her television time

Haaaaaaaaaa! Yep.....he's treading on thin ice now....:zen

Wabash
02-19-2008, 11:46 PM
Time for Clinton's to go to Plan B....

Yellowdogtexan
02-20-2008, 07:22 AM
Senator Obama also won Hawaii by a very impressive margin. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23232655NBC News declared Obama the victor in Hawaii, where he gained 76 percent of the vote, early Wednesday. Clinton won 24 percent in Hawaii, NBC said.

Wabash
02-20-2008, 02:01 PM
It has become a cult following...like a Rock Star Mania thing....it will wear off...right now, if you aren't on the Obama bandwagon, you ain't hip! I never was "hip" and refuse to be so....
Obama is promising things that he can't possibly make happen. I heard some clips of his speech yesterday in Ohio. Most of what he said is all about..... NOTHING!
He cannot ...and will not, be able to fulfill all the rhetoric.

Bottom line....Obama is making promises that he CANNOT deliver on...and the fools are buying it...

Deadshot
02-20-2008, 02:07 PM
You know they said the same thing, references to cults and all, about JFK's run to the White House.

I can live with the comparrison.:hulk

Wabash
02-20-2008, 02:25 PM
You know they said the same thing, references to cults and all, about JFK's run to the White House.

I can live with the comparrison.:hulk

Except that JFK was farrrrrr more experienced and far more capable. A military man.....proven that he could get it done and a Senator with the same performance...Obama is purely SPEC and nothing more!

NO comparison at all!
That's the dumbest thing you have said to date!

Wabash
02-20-2008, 02:33 PM
Oh wait...they both had good looking wives...:LL

Deadshot
02-20-2008, 02:34 PM
Camelot was a dream, a hope of better things to come. As Obama said in his speech last night, Hope is very important.

The comparrison is apt. Each campaigned on Hope, each will win on that campaign.

Wabash
02-20-2008, 02:52 PM
Camelot was a dream, a hope of better things to come. As Obama said in his speech last night, Hope is very important.

The comparrison is apt. Each campaigned on Hope, each will win on that campaign.

Hope......is an intangible. Once again, Obama is NOTHING like JFK and Never will be! JFK was more of everything in his pinky than Obama is throughout his entire body!

Lone Laugher
02-20-2008, 02:55 PM
I think it is great that conservatives and most republicans are claiming that all of us dummies are being fooled by Obama. That we don't know BS when we see it. That is just laughable when you consider recent history.

I am the last one to be conned into a cult. I am not easily fooled. Obama is as genuine as it gets from a man that has chosen politics as a profession. I think republicans are jealous that they've nobody of that caliber.

Lone Laugher
02-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Obama is very much like JFK when it comes to the effect that he has on a crowd of people.....he's going to do just fine.

Wabash
02-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Obama is very much like JFK when it comes to the effect that he has on a crowd of people.....he's going to do just fine.

So was the Bhagwan!

Lone Laugher
02-20-2008, 05:21 PM
Don't worry Wabs...he won't make you call him "Master".....a simple Mr. President will do.

Saguaro
02-20-2008, 05:29 PM
It has become a cult following...like a Rock Star Mania thing....it will wear off...right now, if you aren't on the Obama bandwagon, you ain't hip! I never was "hip" and refuse to be so....
Obama is promising things that he can't possibly make happen. I heard some clips of his speech yesterday in Ohio. Most of what he said is all about..... NOTHING!
He cannot ...and will not, be able to fulfill all the rhetoric.

Bottom line....Obama is making promises that he CANNOT deliver on...and the fools are buying it...

:lmao Wabash give it up... Obama wasn't in Ohio yesterday :lmao

Yellowdogtexan
02-20-2008, 05:44 PM
:lmao Wabash give it up... Obama wasn't in Ohio yesterday :lmaoThe speech was in Houston. Houston is not in Ohio.

Wabash
02-20-2008, 06:15 PM
The speech was in Houston. Houston is not in Ohio.

Ooopppss, got it mixed up with another report on Obama speaking in Ohio...
It doesn't matter where he was anyway, the message is the same!
I'm not giving anything up...he's making promises he can't begin to follow thru on! It's called Blue Sky!

Wabash
02-20-2008, 06:19 PM
I think it is great that conservatives and most republicans are claiming that all of us dummies are being fooled by Obama. That we don't know BS when we see it. That is just laughable when you consider recent history.

I am the last one to be conned into a cult. I am not easily fooled. Obama is as genuine as it gets from a man that has chosen politics as a profession. I think republicans are jealous that they've nobody of that caliber.
What caliber? Pied Piper status? The Blue Sky Guru?
He may be genuine in his beliefs, but he is making promises he can't keep! Nor does he have the experience to back them up!

Don't worry Wabs...he won't make you call him "Master".....a simple Mr. President will do.
It's a looooong way until Nov. LL

nixon
02-20-2008, 07:12 PM
What caliber? Pied Piper status? The Blue Sky Guru?
He may be genuine in his beliefs, but he is making promises he can't keep! Nor does he have the experience to back them up!


It's a looooong way until Nov. LLIt is a long way to November. Think of the votes you'll lose between now and then.

Wabash
02-20-2008, 08:01 PM
It is a long way to November. Think of the votes you'll lose between now and then.

I'm thinking of the votes you will lose......the clinton Machine is not done with obama...

Saguaro
02-20-2008, 08:17 PM
The Clinton machine is no longer working,apparently

Wabash
02-20-2008, 10:27 PM
http://www.gop.com/obamaspendometer.htm

Blue Sky coming........Holy Mackerel! A vote for Obama is a vote to sign over your paycheck...direct deposit to Washington.
$874.85 Billion!!!!!

Saguaro
02-20-2008, 10:54 PM
How much is Bush spending per day in Iraq ? How many gallons of gas per day used in Iraq ?

Wabash
02-20-2008, 11:34 PM
How much is Bush spending per day in Iraq ? How many gallons of gas per day used in Iraq ?

I don't know...you can probably find it somewhere...

Saguaro
02-21-2008, 07:35 AM
NEW YORK (AP) — Two groups put up a giant digital clock to tick off the cost of the Iraq war, days before the Republican National Convention gets going less than a mile away.

A billboard in Times Sqaure counts the cost of the Iraq war starting at $134.5B and increases at a rate of $177M per day, $7.4M per hour and $122,820 per minute.

The clock was unveiled Wednesday by the advocacy group Project Billboard and the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank headed by John Podesta, former President Clinton's chief of staff.

Organizers calculated the war's cost as of Wednesday at $134.5 billion and are adding $177 million per day, which comes to $7.4 million per hour or $122,820 per minute.

The two groups said the money could have been spent on projects "to make Americans safer at home and stronger abroad," including adding two new divisions to the Army, hiring 100,000 more police officers and undertaking significant improvements to safeguard ports.

"Iraq was a war of choice, and the United States is bearing virtually all of the cost," Podesta said in a statement.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-26-iraq-war-clock_x.htm