Reports: Several people shot at Northern Illinois University

[Saguaro]

(CNN) -- At least two people have been shot and several injured at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago, CNN affiliates are reporting.

The University has ordered its student body to seek shelter and canceled classes Thursday.

"Its has been confirmed that there has been a shooting on campus and several people have been taken away by ambulance," the school said in a posting on its DeKalb campus Web site. "All classes are canceled on the DeKalb campus. People are urged not to come to campus."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html

[Saguaro]

DEKALB, Ill. - A gunman opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday, injuring as many as 17 people before he killed himself, authorities said. "Police are confirming that the shooter is dead by a self-inflicted gunshot," the school said on its Web site.

The university issued a statement on its Web site about an hour after the 3 p.m. shooting that "the immediate danger has passed. The gunman is no longer a threat."

Kishwaukee Community Hospital spokeswoman Theresa Komitas told WLS-TV in Chicago it received 17 victims all with wounds from the shooting or flying debris, including three with serious injuries. She said she knew of no deaths at the hospital.

George Gaynor, a senior geography student, who was in Cole Hall when the shooting happened, told the student newspaper the Northern Star that the shooter was "a skinny white guy with a stocking cap on."

He described the scene immediately following the incident as terrifying and chaotic.

"Some girl got hit in the eye, a guy got hit in the leg," Gaynor said outside just minutes after the shooting occurred. "It was like five minutes before class ended too."

Witnesses said the young man carried a shotgun and a pistol. Student Edward Robinson told WLS that the gunman appeared to target students in one part of the lecture hall.

"It was almost like he knew who he wanted to shoot," Robinson said. "He knew who and where he wanted to be firing at."

Jillian Martinez, a freshman from Carpentersville, told the Chicago Tribune she was in the auditorium when the gunman entered through a door to the right of the lectern and opened fire about 3 p.m. "He just started shooting at all the kids," she said. "He just started shooting at people, and I ran out of there as fast as I could. I ran all the way to the student center; when I got there I could still hear shooting (from the classroom).

Agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were assisting local authorities at the scene, spokesman Thomas Ahern told the Chicago Tribune.

He said he did not know whether the shooter was a student or what his motive might have been.

"We will be urgently tracing the firearms and learning the history of the weapons," Ahern said.

All classes were canceled Thursday night and the 25,000-student campus was closed on Friday. Students were urged to call their parents "as soon as possible" and were offered counseling at any residence hall, according to the school Web site.

The school was closed for one day during final exam week in December after campus police found threats, including racial slurs and references to shootings earlier in the year at Virginia Tech, scrawled on a bathroom wall in a dormitory. Police determined after an investigation that there was no imminent threat and the campus was reopened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/niu_shooting;_ylt=AtLGg8ZRH9G0DgSf11AR4uWs0NUE

[Trueblue]

:mad :no

[jim]

Too much stress nowadays:sad:twitch

[toxic]

I think the memorial services they repeatedly publicize after these events are the things that motivate the copy cats.

I think a bunch of pitiful sobbing people are just the thing they want.

[jim]

I think the memorial services they repeatedly publicize after these events are the things that motivate the copy cats.

I think a bunch of pitiful sobbing people are just the thing they want.

Agreed...

[patriotsblade]

Now these facts come into this.

1. He bought at least two of the guns legally.

2. He recently stopped taking his 'medication'.

:mad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23171567/

[nixon]

Teach a firearms class and have everyone armed. Everyone. This wouldn't happen. We don't, and this is what happens. Where were the "POLICE"? Jerkin' off at Dunkin' Donuts.

[patriotsblade]

Teach a firearms class and have everyone armed. Everyone. This wouldn't happen. We don't, and this is what happens. Where were the "POLICE"? Jerkin' off at Dunkin' Donuts.

I understand the sentiment there, but in this instance this guy fired off 56 rounds. I would bet in a situation where all of the other students were armed you would have over 300 rounds fired and odds are the body count would have just gone up.

[nixon]

I understand the sentiment there, but in this instance this guy fired off 56 rounds. I would bet in a situation where all of the other students were armed you would have over 300 rounds fired and odds are the body count would have just gone up.We will never know. Maybe my answer isn't the right one. What I know is what we are doing isn't getting us the desired results. By the way, my brother's son goes to that school, he is in his senior year. The irony is my sentiments of the police and he wants to become an Illinois State Trooper. He didn't get hurt.

[Ringo]

We will never know. Maybe my answer isn't the right one. What I know is what we are doing isn't getting us the desired results. By the way, my brother's son goes to that school, he is in his senior year. The irony is my sentiments of the police and he wants to become an Illinois State Trooper. He didn't get hurt.

Your answer is RIGHT, simply because the jerk was a graduate student, and if he had known the some of the students, teachers and physical plant people might be armed, he more likely would not have gone this far!

We can't blame the cops UNLESS the University was to pony up the cops pay, to put PRO's on duty! Its an EMOTIONAL type crime and its difficult to stop, as UNLIKE VIRGINIA, there were no indicators, at least yet!

[Wabash]

Obama Supports Individual Gun Rights
Feb 15 01:07 PM US/Eastern
By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Barack Obama said Friday that the country must do "whatever it takes" to eradicate gun violence following a campus shooting in his home state, but he believes in an individual's right to bear arms.

Obama said he spoke to Northern Illinois University's president Friday morning by phone and offered whatever help his Senate office could provide in the investigation and improving campus security. The Democratic presidential candidate spoke about the Illinois shooting to reporters while campaigning in neighboring Wisconsin.

The senator, a former constitutional law instructor, said some scholars argue the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees gun ownerships only to militias, but he believes it grants individual gun rights.

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.

He said he would support federal legislation based on a California law that would facilitate immediate tracing of bullets used in a crime. He said even though the California law was passed over the strong objection of the National Rifle Association, he thinks it's the type of law that gun owners and crime victims can get behind.

Five people, including the shooter, were killed during Thursday's ambush inside a lecture hall. Authorities said the two guns used were purchased legally less then a week ago.

"Today we offer them our thoughts and prayers, but we also have to offer them our determination to do whatever it takes to eradicate this violence from our streets, from our schools, from our neighborhoods and our cities," Obama said. "That is our duty as Americans."

Although Obama supports gun control, while campaigning in gun-friendly Idaho earlier this month, he said he does not intend to take away people's guns.

At his news conference, he voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, which is scheduled to be heard by the Supreme Court next month.

"The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our Constitution," Obama said.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UQTAS80&show_article=1

Although this sounds encouraging, I wonder if he will change his tune if elected...

[jim]

Again: I grew up in a hunting culture where everyone had guns...I got a .410 for Christmas when I was 15...I never heard of but two deaths by shooting in that area - One was a psycho trying to rob a farmer where the farmer was killed. The other was a couple of no-goods trying to beat up a bar owner over what they dubbed a recent mistreatment by the owner of a brother of one of them.
Psychologically, sociologically, politically and economically, likely,the latter being at the root of all of them - we are living in some very bad times. Tempers are bad and fuses are short...They are going to be for a while, I'm afraid:brr:headshake. This is what we need to take care of above all...

[Lone Laugher]

Obama Supports Individual Gun Rights

Although this sounds encouraging, I wonder if he will change his tune if elected...


WHY would you question the man's intentions when it comes to this issue? Has he demonstrated a tendency to pander? Shit...even when a guy agrees with you, you cannot accept it.

[Ringo]

WHY would you question the man's intentions when it comes to this issue? Has he demonstrated a tendency to pander? Shit...even when a guy agrees with you, you cannot accept it.

He has 3 strikes LL:

He is a LIBERAL

He is a POLITICIAN

BOTH are LIARS

[Trueblue]

I understand the sentiment there, but in this instance this guy fired off 56 rounds. I would bet in a situation where all of the other students were armed you would have over 300 rounds fired and odds are the body count would have just gone up.

Wonder why so many don't grasp this.

Your answer is RIGHT, simply because the jerk was a graduate student, and if he had known the some of the students, teachers and physical plant people might be armed, he more likely would not have gone this far!

We can't blame the cops UNLESS the University was to pony up the cops pay, to put PRO's on duty! Its an EMOTIONAL type crime and its difficult to stop, as UNLIKE VIRGINIA, there were no indicators, at least yet!

Don't you see the illogic in your statement? This guy wanted to die. Why would someone else being armed have changed what he did?

[nixon]

He has 3 strikes LL:

He is a LIBERAL

He is a POLITICIAN

BOTH are LIARSAm I to understand that Conservative politicians don't lie?

[patriotsblade]

He has 3 strikes LL:

1. He is a LIBERAL

2. He is a POLITICIAN

BOTH are LIARS<---------refers to 1 and 2.

:think:confused

[nixon]

:think:confused
I think he was eating leaded paint chips off the window sill at a younger age.

[jim]

Am I to understand that Conservative politicians don't lie?

Naw - You are to understand the extreme opposite:sumo:rooster:rofl2

[Ringo]

Wonder why so many don't grasp this.



Don't you see the illogic in your statement? This guy wanted to die. Why would someone else being armed have changed what he did?

Ok lets make it simple!!

SCENARIO:

NIU...possibly 7000 students, and if even 1/4th of them are trained and licenced to conceal-carrry, that is roughly 1700 firearms, in addition to what 10 or so trained Cops!

The clown came onto the campus with a shotgun, not an easily concealed weapon, so he SHOULD have been made, and when he was, his Death by Cop wish would have been answered! Most 12 guages hold 7 shells, so had he had more firepower, he would have taken out several more students!

Sorry TB there is no touchy feely, hug somebody way out of this, these PUNKS must be handled, and there are people who can HANDLE them well!!!

[Trueblue]

Ok lets make it simple!!

SCENARIO:

NIU...possibly 7000 students, and if even 1/4th of them are trained and licenced to conceal-carrry, that is roughly 1700 firearms, in addition to what 10 or so trained Cops!

The clown came onto the campus with a shotgun, not an easily concealed weapon, so he SHOULD have been made, and when he was, his Death by Cop wish would have been answered! Most 12 guages hold 7 shells, so had he had more firepower, he would have taken out several more students!

Sorry TB there is no touchy feely, hug somebody way out of this, these PUNKS must be handled, and there are people who can HANDLE them well!!!

Please show me the post where I recommended handling a shooter in a touchy-feely way, or else shut up. I'm not kidding.

But first, please concentrate: the man wanted to die. More guns could make that happen quicker. It could also easily raise the death rate of innocents.

[Ringo]

Please show me the post where I recommended handling a shooter in a touchy-feely way, or else shut up. I'm not kidding.

But first, please concentrate: the man wanted to die. More guns could make that happen quicker. It could also easily raise the death rate of innocents.

OK Hillary Jr, tell us all HOW the fuck you would have stopped this, without the aide of panywaist assholes like Chrissy Matthews or Olbermans expertise!

I do it for a living egghead, adn I doubt that the first one to pop this asshole is going to set off a chain reaction where they all shoot at each other! I have seen Suicide by Cop many times, so I don't need to concentrate, and I am not your fucking student, so get off your high horse, you are dumber than a box of rocks on this one sweetheart!!! Hey suck it up I don't need any fucking Bad reps from you, as I find them silly assed as hell, OK??

But MAP out your plan or now that you have been CALLED on it, do your usual and spin like a top or run for the woods!!.....fuckin Liberals:mw:mw

[Trueblue]

OK Hillary Jr, tell us all HOW the fuck you would have stopped this, without the aide of panywaist assholes like Chrissy Matthews or Olbermans expertise!

I don't think we can stop this kind of thing 100%. Better mental health services and more campus police would be a good intervention, though.

I do it for a living egghead, adn I doubt that the first one to pop this asshole is going to set off a chain reaction where they all shoot at each other! I have seen Suicide by Cop many times, so I don't need to concentrate, and I am not your fucking student, so get off your high horse, you are dumber than a box of rocks on this one sweetheart!!! Hey suck it up I don't need any fucking Bad reps from you, as I find them silly assed as hell, OK??

Ringo, I didn't give you bad rep on that post, I'm not an egghead, I have zero confidence that anything you say about your own life is true, I don't want you for a student, you are always dumber than a box of rocks, and I find you silly assed every time you type.

But MAP out your plan or now that you have been CALLED on it, do your usual and spin like a top or run for the woods!!.....fuckin Liberals:mw:mw

See the above. I don't spin, and I don't run for the woods, I just have more sense than you.

[nixon]

Please show me the post where I recommended handling a shooter in a touchy-feely way, or else shut up. I'm not kidding.

But first, please concentrate: the man wanted to die. More guns could make that happen quicker. It could also easily raise the death rate of innocents.It may raise the death rates, but it may lower them, too. There is really no way of knowing. Just goes to show you, live everyday as if it were your last, because it maybe God's will that it is. Nixon says "Be nice to people and don't dump criples out of wheel chairs. Amen."

[Trueblue]

Please give me an example of a place that is more lawful and more orderly because more people have guns, anyone can think of one.

[nixon]

Please give me an example of a place that is more lawful and more orderly because more people have guns, anyone can think of one.That's an easy one, TrueBlue. The pig station. You know where they dump criples out of their wheelchairs!!!

[Trueblue]

That's an easy one, TrueBlue. The pig station.

:lol Okay, but that's not a country. Sorry to just say place. :D

[nixon]

I'm being sarcastic, naturally. Most of the criminals hide in back of the badge and gun. One more time, don't go through life dumping criples out of wheel chairs, you me talkin', Ringo?

[nixon]

No country that I can name. It is in our culture. Not guns, violence. I guy I used to work with was from Sweden, he told me over there they didn't have a gun problem, they had a knife problem. Go figure. Take away knives and there will be a fork problem. Be nice to people and live everyday... and don't dump criples out of wheelchairs.

[Trueblue]

I vastly prefer a knife problem. Knives just don't hurt many people from a clock tower.

[Lone Laugher]

I just watched Bowling For Columbine again. It asks a lot of very interesting questions.

[Ringo]

I'm being sarcastic, naturally. Most of the criminals hide in back of the badge and gun. One more time, don't go through life dumping criples out of wheel chairs, you me talkin', Ringo?

I'm lost, as you talk with little sense? Do you DRINK a lot, it sounds that way! Jr the only people who who accure my wrath are the ones who take advantage of those who can't defend themselves!

[Ringo]

I don't think we can stop this kind of thing 100%. Better mental health services and more campus police would be a good intervention, though.



Ringo, I didn't give you bad rep on that post, I'm not an egghead, I have zero confidence that anything you say about your own life is true, I don't want you for a student, you are always dumber than a box of rocks, and I find you silly assed every time you type.



See the above. I don't spin, and I don't run for the woods, I just have more sense than you.

You have a fancy way of calling me a LIAR, and I find that offensive, as I don't doubt anyones personal life! See people said you worked on streetcorners and I said no she has an office on a streetcorner! Someone said you were a TEACHER, or you worked with physicaly handicapped, which I find admirable, BUT using YOUR formula should I believe it? Probably not??

Its always MENTAL Health, its never where the fucking Liberal Commies disguised as Dr Spock and Barry Lynn and other ACLU assholes, started prying away Parental & Teacher rights over 40 years ago!

All this started basically with CLINTON and his band of Sex sicko thugs and the chillleerin started offing each other in BIG numbers!!

Michigan has shown a decrease in violent crimes since Conceal & Carry, especially Detroit, adn other States are starting to notice the difference also!

BUT let me try ONE more time, when you have a GUN FIGHTER in town, you don't send a Therapist to intervene! NO you can't stop it all, but start raising your kids the Old Fashioned way and get God back in the Country, and things will change too!

[Trueblue]

You have a fancy way of calling me a LIAR, and I find that offensive, as I don't doubt anyones personal life! See people said you worked on streetcorners and I said no she has an office on a streetcorner! Someone said you were a TEACHER, or you worked with physicaly handicapped, which I find admirable, BUT using YOUR formula should I believe it? Probably not??

I am not a teacher. I don't care what you claim to believe.

Its always MENTAL Health, its never where the fucking Liberal Commies disguised as Dr Spock and Barry Lynn and other ACLU assholes, started prying away Parental & Teacher rights over 40 years ago!

Yes, that is because the idea that this is Dr. Spock's fault is ludicrous. It's a mental health issue. Dr. Spock didn't make this young man mentally ill.

All this started basically with CLINTON and his band of Sex sicko thugs and the chillleerin started offing each other in BIG numbers!!

Right, there were no crimes before 1992.

Michigan has shown a decrease in violent crimes since Conceal & Carry, especially Detroit, adn other States are starting to notice the difference also!

Maybe-maybe not. :shrug I've seen those stats distorted greatly by the pro-gun crowd.

BUT let me try ONE more time, when you have a GUN FIGHTER in town, you don't send a Therapist to intervene! NO you can't stop it all, but start raising your kids the Old Fashioned way and get God back in the Country, and things will change too!

Sometimes you do, they are called hostage negotiators.

What are you doing, personally, to get God in more people's lives?

[Lone Laugher]

I always find it amusing when someone says we need to get "god" back into this country. How can such an all-knowing, all powerful being get his ass kicked out in the first place?

[nixon]

I'm lost, as you talk with little sense? Do you DRINK a lot, it sounds that way! Jr the only people who who accure my wrath are the ones who take advantage of those who can't defend themselves! SO....you are coming to Florida to accure your wrath on the deputy who dumped the criple out of their wheelchair? Maybe you can also stop in Bay County where the Sherrif's goon squad killed a 14 year-old that was in the Sherrif's "Boot camp program". The kid counldn't breath, so they beat his ass 'til he really couldn't breath. Do you wonder why law enforcement gets very little respect these days? Let me give some repect Fuck you pigger.Nixon.

[nixon]

We wouldn't know any of it without the video camera.

[Ringo]

Time to drop dumb & dumber, but I admit they compliment each other quite well!!!