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Saguaro
02-12-2008, 04:45 PM
BAGHDAD - The speaker of Iraq's fragmented parliament threatened Tuesday to disband the legislature, saying it is so riddled with distrust it appears unable to adopt the budget or agree on a law setting a date for provincial elections.

Disbanding parliament would prompt new elections within 60 days and further undermine Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's shaky government, which is limping along with nearly half of the 40 Cabinet posts vacant.

The disarray undermines the purpose of last year's U.S. troop "surge" — to bring down violence enough to allow the Iraqi government and parliament to focus on measures to reconcile differences among minority Sunnis and Kurds and the majority Shiites. Violence is down dramatically, but political progress languishes.

Iraq's constitution allows Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, the hot-tempered speaker and a member of the minority Sunni faction, to dissolve parliament if one-third of its members request the move and a majority of lawmakers approve. Al-Mashhadani said he already had sufficient backing for the move from five political blocs, but he refused to name them.

Al-Mashhadani said the Iraqi treasury had already lost $3 billion by failing to pass the budget before the end of 2007. He did not explain how the money was lost.

He blamed the lack of a budget on Kurdish politicians who have refused to back down from a demand that their regional and semiautonomous government be guaranteed 17 percent of national income.

The 17 percent formula for Kurds was applied to past budgets, but some Sunni and Shiite lawmakers sought to lower it to about 14 percent. The argument is that the Kurdish population is closer to 14 percent of Iraq's total than 17 percent as Kurds insist. There has been no census in decades.

Shiite lawmakers walked out of the rare night session Tuesday when the Kurds refused to drop their demand to lump the budget vote together with two other contested measures. The Kurds said they feared being double-crossed on the budget, which now calls for restoration of the 17 percent Kurdish share, if parliamentarians voted on the laws separately.

"We believe the crisis of trust continues to grow and will affect the work of government. We have to admit now that the political process has failed and call for the disbanding of parliament and early elections," Sadrist lawmaker Bahaa al-Araji said after the fractious session.

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issac the dragon
02-12-2008, 05:25 PM
Why are we in that country? Why can't we just leave and let them do whatever the heck they want to do? Kill each other, form a theoracy, whatever.

I don't feel the slightest compulsion to clean up after them or force some kind of government on them. Leave them alone and they will work something out by themselves. And then we should accept what they do. And mind our own business.

If they want a dictatorship, it is only their business. If their dictator wants to nationalize their oil, that is too. And there is the rub. We don't want the Iraqi people to own what is theirs. We want Exxon to own it. Put that out for the American people. All of you who are willing to die for Iraq's oil, sign up here. We will see how many volunteer.

toxic
02-12-2008, 05:46 PM
HEY, WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS BEING PEACEFUL?

HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED ANYTHING FROM US AMERICANS?

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April15
02-12-2008, 06:17 PM
Now if some legislature here could say the same thing about our corrupt government.

Wabash
02-12-2008, 06:52 PM
Why are we in that country? Why can't we just leave and let them do whatever the heck they want to do? Kill each other, form a theoracy, whatever.

I don't feel the slightest compulsion to clean up after them or force some kind of government on them. Leave them alone and they will work something out by themselves. And then we should accept what they do. And mind our own business.

If they want a dictatorship, it is only their business. If their dictator wants to nationalize their oil, that is too. And there is the rub. We don't want the Iraqi people to own what is theirs. We want Exxon to own it. Put that out for the American people. All of you who are willing to die for Iraq's oil, sign up here. We will see how many volunteer.
UI'm inclined to agree with you on this issac, however, there may be many ramifications that we are not privy too...
~like what would Iran do if we did that....~what would Russia do...~what happens to the Kurds if we pull out..~ what kind of increased threat would our troops in Afghanistan be in....~what about legitimate oil and other companies in the region that have investments there...American shareholder investments?
I think it sounds really like a simple solution....but it is FAR from simple...and that's why McCain is saying we need to stay there for awhile, and Hillary and Obama know it too! Not 100 years, but a few years at least... Hell, we are still in Bosnia and S. Korea!

issac the dragon
02-12-2008, 07:55 PM
Wabash, I don't give a good damn what happens to investor's shares in Iraq. We had no right to take the oil and give it to anybody. How would you feel if some country was doing that to us. It is their oil, not ours. If people lose money, that's too bad.

And I haven't seen anyone but us interferring with Iraq. After 500 years of interferring with them, even the English have decided to leave them alone. They can't get out of the country fast enough.

I don't want to be anywhere in the world but here. Protect America. It works for Europe. Oops, I forgot. They don't have to protect themselves. We do it and pay for it. So they can spend there money on stupid things like prosperity.

jim
02-12-2008, 08:05 PM
Wabash, I don't give a good damn what happens to investor's shares in Iraq. We had no right to take the oil and give it to anybody. How would you feel if some country was doing that to us. It is their oil, not ours. If people lose money, that's too bad.

And I haven't seen anyone but us interferring with Iraq. After 500 years of interferring with them, even the English have decided to leave them alone. They can't get out of the country fast enough.

I don't want to be anywhere in the world but here. Protect America. It works for Europe. Oops, I forgot. They don't have to protect themselves. We do it and pay for it. So they can spend there money on stupid things like prosperity.


We are undergoing post growing pains right now.:mw Europe has been through that.:brr