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Saguaro
02-06-2008, 08:28 PM
WASHINGTON - The fate of $600-$1,200 rebate checks for more than 100 million Americans is in limbo after Senate Republicans blocked a bid by Democrats to add $44 billion in help for the elderly, disabled veterans, the unemployed and businesses to the House-passed economic aid package.

GOP senators banded together Wednesday to thwart the $205 billion plan, leaving Democrats with a difficult choice either to quickly accept a House bill they have said is inadequate or risk being blamed for delaying a measure designed as a swift shot in the arm for the lagging economy.

The tally was 58-41 to end debate on the Senate measure, just short of the 60 votes Democrats would have needed to scale procedural hurdles and move the bill to a final vote. In a suspenseful showdown vote that capped days of partisan infighting and procedural jockeying, eight Republicans — four of them up for re-election this year — joined Democrats to back the plan, bucking GOP leaders and President Bush, who objected to the costly add-ons.

Democrats choreographed the vote for maximum political advantage, presenting their aid proposal as a take-it-or-leave-it proposition for Republicans and calling back their presidential candidates to make a show of party unity behind their stimulus plan. They calculated that Republicans would pay a steep price for opposing rebates for older Americans and disabled veterans, as well as heating aid for the poor, unemployment benefits and a much larger collection of business tax breaks than the House approved.

Even after their effort fell short Wednesday, Democrats seemed determined to keep the pressure on Republicans to accept the measure, threatening to hold more votes on it in the coming days.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is "going to give Republicans a chance to reconsider their vote against efforts to strengthen the economy by helping those who need it most," his spokesman, Jim Manley, said Wednesday night.

Republicans said they were ready to accept rebates for seniors and disabled veterans and accused Democrats of delaying the stimulus plan for political gain and loading it down with special-interest extras.

"Our constituents will look at us as the folks that slowed it down (and) added a bunch of spending to it," said Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who called the measure "a Christmas tree package."

The White House, which has carefully avoided issuing threats about the package despite Bush's opposition to the add-ons, urged the Senate to move fast to approve a stimulus plan.

"To be effective, this economic growth package must be timely, so it is crucial that the Senate now move quickly to pass a bill that will deliver relief to our economy," press secretary Dana Perino said in a statement after the vote.

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois flew to Washington for the vote. GOP front-runner John McCain of Arizona did not vote.

Supporters actually had 59 votes in favor of the Democratic proposal, but Reid switched his vote to 'no' at the last moment, a parliamentary move that allows him to bring the measure up for a revote.

Republican leaders objected to add-ons such as a $14.5 billion unemployment extension for those whose benefits have run out, $1 billion in heating aid for the poor and tax breaks for renewable energy producers and coal companies.

The measure builds upon a $161 billion House-passed bill providing $600-$1,200 checks to most taxpayers and tax breaks to businesses investing in new plants and equipment.

The Senate version would provide checks of $500-$1,000 to a broader group that includes 20 million elderly people, 250,000 disabled veterans and taxpayers making up to $150,000 for singles — or $300,000 for couples.

It would extend unemployment benefits for an additional 13 weeks for those whose benefits have run out, with 13 more weeks available in states with the highest jobless rates. The bill also includes $10 billion in tax-free mortgage revenue bonds to help homeowners refinance subprime loans.

Reid denied Republicans an opportunity to offer changes to the measure, provoking the filibuster. The calculus was that enough Republicans would relent in the face of political pressure to support unemployment insurance and heating aid to join Democrats and force the measure through.

GOP leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he wants to amend the measure to add rebates for disabled veterans and their widows and the elderly, and language — also included in the Democrats' package — making clear that illegal immigrants can't get rebate checks.

"We didn't block the proposal," McConnell said. "We just said there's a better way to go and there's an alternative."

Reid rejected the offer — at least for the time being — but Republicans seemed confident he would eventually agree to comparable changes since the alternative would be to approve the House bill and leave retirees living on Social Security and disabled veterans without rebate checks.

The climactic vote came after an intense lobbying effort by Democrats to convert wavering Republicans, including those facing tough re-election fights. Their efforts got a boost from outside groups leaning on senators to back the package, including home builders, manufacturers and the powerful seniors lobby.

Republicans were under enormous pressure from their own leaders not to support the Democrats' plan. Working to stem defections, GOP leaders assured their rank and file that they would have another chance to support adding senior citizens and disabled veterans to the aid plan even if they opposed the Democrats' bill.

That wasn't enough for Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M. who threw his support behind the measure.

"I'm hopeful that I have chosen the right path," he said just before the vote. "I made my decision on what was best for New Mexico and what's best for America."

But other targets, such as Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H., stuck with McConnell.

Asked Tuesday whether the administration would accept adding rebates for the elderly and disabled veterans to the stimulus measure, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson declined to say definitively, but he told the Finance Committee, "I'm sure we'll be able to work something out and get something quickly done that's broad-based."

The dispute has slowed down the stimulus measure, but there's no indication that it will delay rebate checks, which are expected to begin arriving in May. The rebates will be based on 2007 tax returns, which aren't due until April 15.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_re_us/economy_stimulus;_ylt=AtrgIkuioTv49PdTJF5rhEas0NUE

Partyless
02-07-2008, 10:35 AM
They're blocking the bullshit additional spending that some are trying to throw in their for their own political ambitions.

I think this 'stimulus' bill is crap - give us back our own money so we go spend it so the government can tax it again next year? Yeah, that'll help.

The fact it's becoming a political party battle with which party can add in more of OUR OWN MONEY to throw at this problem pisses me off. Of course, most people are just pissed off it may mean a delay in them getting back THEIR OWN MONEY so they can spend it on a flat screen television and "stimulate the economy".

pandering bullshit!~

issac the dragon
02-07-2008, 12:34 PM
The whole idea is so stupid it is insulting. It makes me angry that they think we will buy the idea that this is going to help.

Partyless
02-07-2008, 02:22 PM
The whole idea is so stupid it is insulting. It makes me angry that they think we will buy the idea that this is going to help.

Unfortunately most of America is stupid - at least in my area and in my office. These morons are cutting backflips that they're getting a big tax refund from their regular taxes this year and practically wetting themselves that there may be another check later this year.

I reminded one guy that it's his own money and he said, yeah but if I had it before now, I'd have spent it.
blink
blink
blink
?

So you want to government to hold it for you, not pay you interest, give you back what is yours in the first place so THEN you can spend it?

Morons!~

Capitalist
02-26-2008, 11:09 AM
Unfortunately most of America is stupid - at least in my area and in my office. These morons are cutting backflips that they're getting a big tax refund from their regular taxes this year and practically wetting themselves that there may be another check later this year.

I reminded one guy that it's his own money and he said, yeah but if I had it before now, I'd have spent it.
blink
blink
blink
?

So you want to government to hold it for you, not pay you interest, give you back what is yours in the first place so THEN you can spend it?

Morons!~


That is what I assumed, that it would be like last time.

I just spoke with an IRS agent (I am being audited, again) and she said that this time it is not an early refund, they are actually givcing this money away.

What a stupid idea this is. More vote buying bullshit.

Except that since both party's agree it only going to make the deficit worse.

Morons...

Cookie Parker
02-26-2008, 11:11 AM
WASHINGTON - The fate of $600-$1,200 rebate checks for more than 100 million Americans is in limbo after Senate Republicans blocked a bid by Democrats to add $44 billion in help for the elderly, disabled veterans, the unemployed and businesses to the House-passed economic aid package.

GOP senators banded together Wednesday to thwart the $205 billion plan, leaving Democrats with a difficult choice either to quickly accept a House bill they have said is inadequate or risk being blamed for delaying a measure designed as a swift shot in the arm for the lagging economy.

The tally was 58-41 to end debate on the Senate measure, just short of the 60 votes Democrats would have needed to scale procedural hurdles and move the bill to a final vote. In a suspenseful showdown vote that capped days of partisan infighting and procedural jockeying, eight Republicans — four of them up for re-election this year — joined Democrats to back the plan, bucking GOP leaders and President Bush, who objected to the costly add-ons.

Further proof that not only do the republicans control the Senate ergo Congress, still, but their anti-veteran packages are high on their agenda.....

Cookie Parker
02-26-2008, 11:24 AM
That is what I assumed, that it would be like last time.

I just spoke with an IRS agent (I am being audited, again) and she said that this time it is not an early refund, they are actually givcing this money away.

What a stupid idea this is. More vote buying bullshit.

Except that since both party's agree it only going to make the deficit worse.

Morons...


Correction, oh one with no credibility.....it was Bush's idea to stimulate the economy..the fact that he left out the elder and veterans and the republicans approved it is their agenda...including those who need it more is a democrat idea....but you knew that, didn't you?

Capitalist
02-26-2008, 11:52 AM
Correction, oh one with no credibility.....it was Bush's idea to stimulate the economy..the fact that he left out the elder and veterans and the republicans approved it is their agenda...including those who need it more is a democrat idea....but you knew that, didn't you?

Sorry but your , as usual way off. The 'stimulus package' was a virtual simultaneous event between republicans and democrats.

The main differences is that dmocrats wanted to give more money to their core voters (poor ignorant people) by including those who don't pay taxes in the re-bate and longer unemployment benefits.

This was not a Bush thing foo.

Saguaro
02-26-2008, 12:00 PM
So the veterans and the elderly are ignorant ? :roll :roll

Capitalist
02-26-2008, 12:02 PM
So the veterans and the elderly are ignorant ? :roll :roll

No , that would be you. The extra for the vetrens and elderly was the smokescreen to allow them to give the rebates to their core constituancy, the poor and the ignorant, opps sorry that was redundant wasn't it?

Saguaro
02-26-2008, 12:03 PM
:lmao You are hilarious

Capitalist
02-26-2008, 12:08 PM
:lmao You are hilarious

No I am correct.

The democrats do like they always do. When republicans say that people who don't pay taxes should not get rebates (and they should not) then the dems find some sympathetic characters to drag out to turn it political. The real reason is that they know a large part of their constituancy is not gonna get any mula.

yawn...

Saguaro
02-26-2008, 12:10 PM
Anyone who buys anything has paid taxes.Remember the federal tax on anything that is sold ?

Capitalist
02-27-2008, 09:40 AM
Anyone who buys anything has paid taxes.Remember the federal tax on anything that is sold ?

What tax is that?

I was unaware of any federal tax directly on any good or service?

Which one is that?

I believe I said income taxes, see the rebate is a rebate of INCOME taxes. To get a rebate for something you first must pay.

Do you always have such a hard time with understanding simple concepts?

Saguaro
02-27-2008, 10:23 AM
Only your's

Capitalist
02-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Only your's

So your answer is that you can't support your statement, gee I am so suprised!

Saguaro
02-27-2008, 10:46 AM
All Federal taxes are put into the pot.Don't even try to tell to tell me they have a system that earmarks federal taxes from income tax.It all comes out of the same pot

Capitalist
02-27-2008, 11:15 AM
All Federal taxes are put into the pot.Don't even try to tell to tell me they have a system that earmarks federal taxes from income tax.It all comes out of the same pot

What the fuck are you talking about?

You said that people pay taxes on everything they buy.

Since we are talking about a rebate of federal income taxes that implies that you are saying their is a direct federal tax on everything we buy.

That is not correct foo.