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Yellowdogtexan
02-01-2008, 11:36 AM
This is amusing. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/02/poll_al_franken_ahead_in_minne.phpWe're taking a step back from our focus on presidential race coverage to bring this piece of news: For the first time ever, Al Franken is ahead of Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) in an opinion poll.
The survey conducted by the University of Minnesota puts Franken at 43% to Coleman's 40%, hardly a good sign for the incumbent. Previous polls all gave Coleman the lead, initially a wide one when Franken declared, but eventually a much narrower one.
patriotsblade
02-01-2008, 01:13 PM
If this guy can be their Governor,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2005/010705ventura.jpg
then surely this guy
http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/al_franken.jpg
can be one of their Senators.
Trueblue
02-01-2008, 04:48 PM
:D Love it!
Ringo
02-01-2008, 05:11 PM
Another fucking total idiot traitor queer representing what used to be America!! People of Freedom be sure to buy plenty of Ammo, we will need it when the Commie pricks take over!!
Trueblue
02-01-2008, 05:14 PM
Another fucking total idiot traitor queer representing what used to be America!! People of Freedom be sure to buy plenty of Ammo, we will need it when the Commie pricks take over!!
When did you announce your candidacy?
Saguaro
02-01-2008, 05:29 PM
:nono
Trueblue
02-01-2008, 05:45 PM
:nono
I'm sorry, I just get so sick of his ridiculous posts.
Ringo
02-02-2008, 07:44 AM
I'm sorry, I just get so sick of his ridiculous posts.
Not near as much as YOUR boring insults along with YOUR DOG from TX agianst the GOP!
I hate Franken, I hate burned out entertainers, who all of a sudden think they are leaders of a Nation material! Hell its bad enough having people like Reid-Pelosi-Hillary-Shumer-Waters-Durbin-Kerry-Kennedy & other non Americans, yet alone scumbags like Franken!!
See TB this isn't directed to you, YOUR OK for a Nashville girl, but anger is your poor suit, and there is hope for the Brain washing you have recieved over the years!!
Trueblue
02-02-2008, 07:53 AM
Not near as much as YOUR boring insults along with YOUR DOG from TX agianst the GOP!
I hate Franken, I hate burned out entertainers, who all of a sudden think they are leaders of a Nation material! Hell its bad enough having people like Reid-Pelosi-Hillary-Shumer-Waters-Durbin-Kerry-Kennedy & other non Americans, yet alone scumbags like Franken!!
See TB this isn't directed to you, YOUR OK for a Nashville girl, but anger is your poor suit, and there is hope for the Brain washing you have recieved over the years!!
I love Al Franken, and can't wait to see what he'll do as a Senator. As for burned out entertainers who think that they can lead a nation, that's exactly how I felt about Ronald Reagan. I was right, too.
Here's your quote:
Another fucking
a mindless insult
total idiot
a mindless insult with no basis in fact, he's clearly quite smart
traitor
another baseless insult, to you understand what the meaning of traitor is? It does not mean somebody who disagrees with you politically.
queer
a typical ultra con attack, you think that this is the ultimate insult :roll
representing what used to be America!!
It's still America, at no time have the views you express been representative of this nation.
People of Freedom be sure to buy plenty of Ammo, we will need it when the Commie pricks take over!!
an apparent non sequitur, we aren't about to have a war with communists, Franken is not a communist, you just wanted to throw this in to enhance your image as a tough guy.
That is what I mean when I say ridiculous. You make ridiculous statements, with no basis in reality, and then get upset when somebody points it out.
I am glad I am not in Minnesota, though Rick Perry is not anything to brag about.
I am glad I voted for Kinky, at least then I have deniability about Perry.
Yellowdogtexan
02-02-2008, 10:27 AM
I am glad I am not in Minnesota, though Rick Perry is not anything to brag about.
I am glad I voted for Kinky, at least then I have deniability about Perry.Did you see that Gov. Goodhair endorsed McCain?
Not every endorsement is good.
Wabash
02-02-2008, 12:45 PM
This is amusing. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/02/poll_al_franken_ahead_in_minne.php
Disgusting!!
If this guy can be their Governor,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2005/010705ventura.jpg
then surely this guy
http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/al_franken.jpg
can be one of their Senators.
Let's hope not! Jesse was 10 times the man Franken is...alothou, I think Franken is a transvestite!
:D Love it!
Disgusting....serious mental defect TB...
Another fucking total idiot traitor queer representing what used to be America!! People of Freedom be sure to buy plenty of Ammo, we will need it when the Commie pricks take over!!
They won't be taking over....
Not near as much as YOUR boring insults along with YOUR DOG from TX agianst the GOP!
I hate Franken, I hate burned out entertainers, who all of a sudden think they are leaders of a Nation material! Hell its bad enough having people like Reid-Pelosi-Hillary-Shumer-Waters-Durbin-Kerry-Kennedy & other non Americans, yet alone scumbags like Franken!!
See TB this isn't directed to you, YOUR OK for a Nashville girl, but anger is your poor suit, and there is hope for the Brain washing you have recieved over the years!!
Franken is a monumental JOKE!
Not every endorsement is good.
Ya...look at the one for Hillary from Maxine Waters.....next thing you know Kinney will be endorsing orama...
:rofl:rofl:rofl
Wabash
02-02-2008, 12:46 PM
How long will BratonX be gone?....he's a colorful addition to any forum!
Yellowdogtexan
02-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Franken can at least write some great books. The Limpballs book was a classic as was the lying liar book that drove O'Reilly crazy
How long will BratonX be gone?....he's a colorful addition to any forum!
One month, according to TPA rules
...
I hate Franken, I hate burned out entertainers, who all of a sudden think they are leaders of a Nation material! Hell its bad enough having people like Reid-Pelosi-Hillary-Shumer-Waters-Durbin-Kerry-Kennedy & other non Americans, yet alone scumbags like Franken!!
!
Yeah! Me too!
Like Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, George Murphy, and who was that guy that was the purser on Love Boat.
Oliver North tried but failed to get into office high office.
He was just a patsy for his Commander-in-chief's illegal acts.
He's on Fox now, of course.
Others like Charlton Heston are just a famous puppets for the others.
Trueblue
02-02-2008, 04:33 PM
Too bad. My dad is an elderly lawyer (in Michigan), he received a fundraising letter from Franken with a reference to everyones brother-in-law who listens to too much Rush and ruins every Thanksgiving dinner (describes my uncle to a tee). My dad carried that letter around for months, I'm sure he sent some cash. He got many dollars in entertainment from that letter.
This is from a response on TPM. :rofl
I don't have an uncle like that-but plenty of folks do.
Yellowdogtexan
02-03-2008, 06:54 AM
If this guy can be their Governor,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2005/010705ventura.jpg
then surely this guy
http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/al_franken.jpg
can be one of their Senators.This is amusing. The GOP candidate who was defeated by Ventura for Gov. of Minnesota was none other than Norm Coleman the current republican senator who Franken is running against. Coleman actually lost to Ventura in the governor's race and will now lose to either Franken or another Democrat in this upcoming Senate race.
Wabash
02-03-2008, 03:21 PM
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Yeah! Me too!
Like Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, George Murphy, and who was that guy that was the purser on Love Boat.
Oliver North tried but failed to get into office high office.
He was just a patsy for his Commander-in-chief's illegal acts.
He's on Fox now, of course.
Others like Charlton Heston are just a famous puppets for the others.
Oh Right!
Like these Honorable Men...Every last one of them, don't have moral convictions and can think for themselves! What utter stupidity Matt! Total Stupidity to post something like that!
Everyone of those people is highly intelligent, have high principals and some have done great things for this country! That Matt, is probably a lot more than you can say for yourself!
Using your analogy, we can surmise then that would also include Alec "I'm Moving to Canada" Baldwin, Oprah, Spielberg and wife, Tom Hanks, and many others.......right? Just puppets!
Yellowdogtexan
02-03-2008, 03:52 PM
Again, this poll is bad news for the incumbent. Norm Coleman is a weak candidate and is one of the GOP senators being targeted by the DSCC for good reason. http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3131Conventional wisdom holds that an incumbent should be at 50 percent or better going into a campaign. This is because an incumbent is a known quantity. You can love Norm or hate Norm, but you know who Norm is. You know how he did as mayor of St. Paul, you know how he's done in the Senate. He's been a major player in the Minnesota political scene for the better part of two decades. His party switch alone is almost legendary at this point. You know Norm.....
This is the hill Coleman has to climb. Some 55 to 60 percent of the electorate starts out unwilling to support him. Now, not all of them will break for his ultimate opponent, but all of them are predisposed to. All of them will listen to the Democratic nominee this fall listening for why they should back him. Norm, meanwhile, has to somehow tar a new candidate as unacceptable and prove himself acceptable.
It's a daunting task for Coleman. That's not to say he can't do it. If there's one thing we know, it's that you don't count Norm out prematurely. But if you're a Coleman supporter and you're not worried right now, you should be.Given that Norm lost to Jesse the Body, these recent numbers are not good news.
Wabash
02-03-2008, 04:17 PM
Again, this poll is bad news for the incumbent. Norm Coleman is a weak candidate and is one of the GOP senators being targeted by the DSCC for good reason. http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3131Given that Norm lost to Jesse the Body, these recent numbers are not good news.
We will see...Anyone voting for Al Franken for any post higher than Idiot, needs to have their heads examined!
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Absolutely, Wab, no Hollywood type should ever get into politics...unless they are conservatives. :lmao
Franken will be very good at this job, I am pleased to hear he is doing so well.
Wabash
02-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Absolutely, Wab, no Hollywood type should ever get into politics...unless they are conservatives. :lmao
Franken will be very good at this job, I am pleased to hear he is doing so well.
See my post above yours......
The point about the hollywood types, was not where they came from...the point was about Matt's stupidity over the puppet comment!
Wabash
02-03-2008, 04:23 PM
We will see...Anyone voting for Al Franken for any post higher than Idiot, needs to have their heads examined!
Worth repeating........:LL
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 04:24 PM
See my post above yours......
The point about the hollywood types, was not where they came from...the point was about Matt's stupidity over the puppet comment!
Matt's comment was smart, and she pointed out the hollowness of your argument.
Franken is also an honorable man. Disagreeing with you does not make someone dishonorable. In fact, sometimes it means just the opposite.
Wabash
02-03-2008, 04:34 PM
Matt's comment was smart, and she pointed out the hollowness of your argument.
Franken is also an honorable man. Disagreeing with you does not make someone dishonorable. In fact, sometimes it means just the opposite.
If you had said anything else...I would have been................................SHOCKED!:LL
My argument wasn't hollow at all and Matt ain't THAT smart! You just have genetic bias!
Franken honourable??? :lmao :rofl2
Thanks TB I needed that
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 04:46 PM
Franken honourable??? :lmao :rofl2
Thanks TB I needed that
Yes, he is honorable. He's honest. Who knows what you've been told about him. :roll
Oh Stop it TB my sides......hurting :lol
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 04:50 PM
Oh Stop it TB my sides......hurting :lol
Wow, you are so funny. Ha-ha, I think that Al Franken is a good guy, and you don't.
I think Franken is a liberal Rush. So no I don't think he is a good guy. I have listened to his radio show and he disgusts me.
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 04:58 PM
I think Franken is a liberal Rush. So no I don't think he is a good guy. I have listened to his radio show and he disgusts me.
He's not a liberal Rush. He doesn't lie, he isn't fat, he's willing to deal with people face to face, he's been successful personally and professionally, and he's actually funny.
I'd love to see the day that Rush had the nerve to go out and tell the truth, show some humor about himself, or try to do anything that involved risk.
Ringo
02-03-2008, 04:58 PM
Absolutely, Wab, no Hollywood type should ever get into politics...unless they are conservatives. :lmao
Franken will be very good at this job, I am pleased to hear he is doing so well.
Yea, he does have those girly boy looks and TRAITOR qualities of a good little Progressive wimp!! I bet he giggles like Tickle Me Elmo when him and Reid play leapfrog in the nude?? Why does that never need brought up agian...eewww...acky...pooey:mw:mw:mw
Wabash
02-03-2008, 04:59 PM
Wow, you are so funny. Ha-ha, I think that Al Franken is a good guy, and you don't.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Too funny!
I think Franken is a liberal Rush. So no I don't think he is a good guy. I have listened to his radio show and he disgusts me.
Exactly! Disgusting Dickwad! I would Never compare him to Rush....Rush is 10 times the man Franken is....
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Yea, he does have those girly boy looks and TRAITOR qualities of a good little Progressive wimp!! I bet he giggles like Tickle Me Elmo when him and Reid play leapfrog in the nude?? Why does that never need brought up agian...eewww...acky...pooey:mw:mw:mw
See a psychiatrist. Please.
Believe what you want, I know what I have seen and heard from the man (term used loosely)
BTW Rush is also successful personally and professionally and some do think he's funny.
Trueblue
02-03-2008, 05:15 PM
Believe what you want, I know what I have seen and heard from the man (term used loosely)
BTW Rush is also successful personally and professionally and some do think he's funny.
Yes, some really mean-spirited assholes find him funny, I have heard, but that is because Rush is a mean-spirited asshole.
Rush lives in his booth. He would never do what Franken has done in life, because he's afraid to.
And Franken is pretty widely regarded as funny, regardless of what he does to you.
Franken is funny, that does not mean he is wrong and disgusting.
Doesn't matter he is not running for Governor of Texas, so I don't have to deal with him.
Ringo
02-04-2008, 07:58 AM
He's not a liberal Rush. He doesn't lie, he isn't fat, he's willing to deal with people face to face, he's been successful personally and professionally, and he's actually funny.
I'd love to see the day that Rush had the nerve to go out and tell the truth, show some humor about himself, or try to do anything that involved risk.
Listen Daily he does HUMOR he talks about SILLY ASSED LIBERALS! Franken is NO TALENT, on the order of Bill Mahre, he is a wussy fat assed girly boy, who looks just a Liberal pussy!
Now Colbert is funny, Glen Beck is funny, MAHRE, FRANKEN, or other Liberal talking heads are dull and stupid! Rush invited Franken twice as did Hannity to a DEBATE and the coward RAN from both of them!!!:mickey:mw:minnie
Yellowdogtexan
02-04-2008, 09:20 AM
Rush is 10 times the man Franken is....As to weight maybe. Here is a book that you really need to read. http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Limbaugh-Big-Fat-Idiot/dp/0440508649Rush Limbaugh claims his talent is on loan. With this book, Franken demonstrates that he owns. The frankly Democratic author's shtick reminds us how much of a free ride conservatives have gotten in the mainstream media. For instance, he really drives home the weirdness of the conservatives' preachiness about "family values" in light of Newt Gingrich's and Bob Dole's first marriages, and Rush Limbaugh's first, second and third marriages. And he has great fun with Rush's and Newt's miraculous draft deferments in a chapter where he imagines all of the great conservative "chicken-hawks" out on a Vietnam war patrol under the leadership of Ollie North....
Comedy writer Franken skewers conservatives in a book that spent 23 weeks on PW's bestseller list.
Trueblue
02-04-2008, 06:24 PM
Rush invited Franken twice as did Hannity to a DEBATE and the coward RAN from both of them!!!:mickey:mw:minnie
I don't believe that is true, Ringo. Where did you hear it?
Yellowdogtexan
02-04-2008, 07:12 PM
BTW, if you look at the video on rush on this thread, it is clear that he has put back on most of the weight that he had lost. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/limbaugh-mccain.htmlGo to the link in the middle of the article and watch the video.
For a while, Al Franken's book had the effect of shaming rush and rush had slimmed down for a while. It looks like those days are over and rush is once again a Big Fat Idiot and maybe it is time for another reprinting of Franken's book.
Ringo
02-05-2008, 07:57 AM
See a psychiatrist. Please.
Why? That would be Franken style humor or Mahre maybe, so you should except the fact he is a NO TALENTED POLITICIAN, COMEDIAN, TALK SHOW HOST...BUT HE IS A GOOD MORONIC LIAR!! that help ya Red Ridin Hood??:mw:mw:LL
Ringo
02-05-2008, 08:01 AM
I don't believe that is true, Ringo. Where did you hear it?
I don't LIE TB, he was asked to come on Hannity, he refused, EVEN with Colmbs being there! Hannity said it didn't surprise him as Rush had also asked him to appear with him! Rush has wanted a debate between Him-Brian Williams-Katie Couric-Wolf Blitzer etc... and they seem to not be able to set it up, or COWARDLY run from Limbaugh!!
Ringo
02-05-2008, 08:09 AM
As to weight maybe. Here is a book that you really need to read. http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Limbaugh-Big-Fat-Idiot/dp/0440508649
Rush would take you and make you look like a blubbering damn idiot, his brother would make you like a first year Legal Aide! Such a jealous little wimp you are, so insecure you need to tell us how smart you are daily, while in reality you come off looking stupid!!
Franken-Mahre-Clooney-Penn-Baldwin together wouldn't make a good man, they are Hollywood entertainment pussies! Suck it up Dog, get some real heros in life for a change!:sheep
Yellowdogtexan
02-05-2008, 08:38 AM
Rush would take you and make you look like a blubbering damn idiot, his brother would make you like a first year Legal Aide!rush is a coward which why your claims about ruch challenging Al Franken are pure bullshit and fantasy (your alterantive reality must be interesting).
rush screens calls to keep people who disagree with him from being on the show. rush is a coward. If rush is so brave why is he hiding like a coward from the Vote Vetrans.org vets who have asked to come on his program to see if rush has the balls to call them phony soliders to his face. Remember that rush is a draft dodging coward of a chickenhawk and does not have the balls to meet face to face with real vetrans who are against the war.
ringo, you are so silly that it is clear that you are a child. Grow up
Trueblue
02-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Why? That would be Franken style humor or Mahre maybe, so you should except the fact he is a NO TALENTED POLITICIAN, COMEDIAN, TALK SHOW HOST...BUT HE IS A GOOD MORONIC LIAR!! that help ya Red Ridin Hood??:mw:mw:LL
No, it's not their style of humor at all.
I don't LIE TB, he was asked to come on Hannity, he refused, EVEN with Colmbs being there! Hannity said it didn't surprise him as Rush had also asked him to appear with him! Rush has wanted a debate between Him-Brian Williams-Katie Couric-Wolf Blitzer etc... and they seem to not be able to set it up, or COWARDLY run from Limbaugh!!
Actually, I suspect that you do, but that's not what I'm asking, I'm asking you to prove this happened. Not that Rush and Sean said it happened, but that it actually happened.
rush is a coward which why your claims about ruch challenging Al Franken are pure bullshit and fantasy (your alterantive reality must be interesting).
rush screens calls to keep people who disagree with him from being on the show. rush is a coward. If rush is so brave why is he hiding like a coward from the Vote Vetrans.org vets who have asked to come on his program to see if rush has the balls to call them phony soliders to his face. Remember that rush is a draft dodging coward of a chickenhawk and does not have the balls to meet face to face with real vetrans who are against the war.
ringo, you are so silly that it is clear that you are a child. Grow up
Absolutely, Rush hides in his booth. Everyone knows that.
Yellowdogtexan
02-19-2008, 04:11 PM
It is too early for polls like this to be meaningful but I still found these polls results amusing. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_senate_elections/election_2008_minnesota_senateThe latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey found Al Franken slightly ahead of incumbent Senator Norm Coleman in what is likely to be a closely contested campaign. Franken, a former comedian and political commentator, leads Coleman 49% to 46%. If the Democrats nominate trial attorney Mike Ciresi, the poll shows Coleman attracting 47% of the vote while Ciresi earns 45%.
These results show a significant improvement for Franken since an early November poll found him trailing by seven-points. That same survey found Coleman with a three point lead over Ciresi.
Coleman has long been considered one of the more vulnerable incumbent senators up for re-election in 2008. Any incumbent who polls below 50% is considered potentially vulnerable and that is especially true for an incumbent who trails a challenger early in the campaign. It is not a good thing for an incumbent to be trailing at this stage of the race.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 11:07 AM
Just confirms the stupidity of the dems in that state.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 11:09 AM
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Yeah! Me too!
Like Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, George Murphy, and who was that guy that was the purser on Love Boat.
Oliver North tried but failed to get into office high office.
He was just a patsy for his Commander-in-chief's illegal acts.
He's on Fox now, of course.
Others like Charlton Heston are just a famous puppets for the others.
Ollie was on MSNBC for a long time before he was on Fox.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 11:12 AM
Absolutely, Wab, no Hollywood type should ever get into politics...unless they are conservatives. :lmao
Franken will be very good at this job, I am pleased to hear he is doing so well.
So what has Franken done that will prepare him for being a Senator?
The answer is not, what did RR do or what did Gofer from the love boat do.
The answer should be what has Franken done?
You think he is going to go in their and be bi-partisan?
Of course since you think Bi-Partisan means agreeing with democrats, he probably will be.
issac the dragon
02-25-2008, 12:19 PM
Franken, IMO, is a perfect nut case. Having said that, why isn't he qualified for the Senate? I hadn't noticed that sanity was one of the requirements. And a great many people serving in that august body haven't qualifications to serve anything but a Big Mac.
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 12:30 PM
The point is that Franken is far more qualified than Norm Coleman. Coleman is the incumbent and has been a disaster. The fact that coleman is polling so badly is a bad sign for the GOP.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 02:17 PM
The point is that Franken is far more qualified than Norm Coleman. Coleman is the incumbent and has been a disaster. The fact that coleman is polling so badly is a bad sign for the GOP.
So you deflect and have no answer to the actual fing question.
heal dog heal.
Wabash
02-25-2008, 02:26 PM
Just confirms the stupidity of the dems in that state.
Boy Howdy! Hey Cap...good to see you. At last, more truth and common sense comes to TPA!:electric:paclap:paclap
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 03:25 PM
Boy Howdy! Hey Cap...good to see you. At last, more truth and common sense comes to TPA!:electric:paclap:paclap
Your outnumbered here, but I probably count for 20 or more.
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 03:42 PM
So you deflect and have no answer to the actual fing question.No. I just remember how clueless and poorly informed you are on political issues. Do you like the fact that Senator John Warner has retired from the US Senate and that the Democrats are going to pick up that seat.
Sinc you do not understand political issues, let me explain what is going on here for you. Norm Coleman is the republican who is currently holding this seat. Normie is not polling well and is under 50% in his approval ratings with Al Franken actually out polling him in a couple of polls. If you understood anything about politics, it is bad news for an incumbent to be polling under 50% at this stage of the race. It is also bad news if any of your opponents are beating you in the polls at this stage of the race. The reason for this is that opinions about the incumbent are usually fairly well set and he can only go down.
This is one of the four or five seats that the Democrats should pick up without any trouble without regard to who the Democratic nominee is (Franken has a couple of opponents including a very smart trial attorney).
The key thing is that Franken is on the right side of the issues. For example here is his position on the Iraq war. It’s time to start bringing our troops home from Iraq
After leading us into war under false pretenses, the Bush administration has dug us a deep hole in Iraq. The litany of mistakes is endless: the failure to send enough troops, the botched de-Baathification, the refusal to stop looting in the aftermath of the invasion, the firing of the Iraqi army (essentially telling hundreds of thousands of young Iraqi men, “You’re fired, get out of here, we’re not going to pay you, and take your weapons with you!”) – and especially the Republican Congress’s refusal to do any oversight of the war.
Norm Coleman, as chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, didn’t even hold a single hearing into contracting by Halliburton and other corporations – while waste, fraud, and the misappropriation of billions of dollars torpedoed the reconstruction of Iraq. Every dollar that didn’t go towards getting up the electricity and the water, taking care of the sewage, and putting Iraqis to work alienated the population and fueled the insurgency, making a difficult mission impossible and sending the country into total chaos.
And today, Senator Coleman continues to vote against bringing our troops home.
Here’s where I stand:
I say it’s time to leave Iraq. Our troops have served magnificently, but even General Petraeus has stated that military action alone cannot fix Iraq.
It’s been clear for years that this war was a mistake, and that mistake after mistake has been made in the conduct of it. And in my books, on my radio show, and all over this country, I’ve been speaking out for years about this sad, tragic mess. Now it’s time for all of us to come to terms with the truth about the situation there.
There is no reason to believe that the Maliki government is able, or even willing, to meet the political benchmarks necessary to make progress in Iraq: devising a fair plan to share oil revenues among ethnic groups, reversing the disastrous de-Baathification and putting Sunnis back to work, engaging and eliminating sectarian death squads, and starting a reconciliation process to defuse sectarian tensions.
Conversely, there is every reason to believe that the Maliki government just wants us to stay there so that they can consolidate their power. Our troops should not be there to make that happen.
The best way to convince the Iraqi government that we’re leaving is to actually start leaving. I support immediately beginning the process of bringing our troops home. Our withdrawal should not be precipitous, and we should have a national conversation about the best way to complete our disengagement – we should put more thought into how we get out than we did into how we got in. But we should start now.
At the same time, we should be convening a regional conference including Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt to come up with a long-term plan for Iraq and ensure that a regional conflict does not arise. Jordan and Syria have over a million Iraqi refugees. Nobody wants Iraq to devolve into utter chaos. It’s inconceivable that the Bush administration hasn’t roused itself to initiate regional diplomacy.
I hope that the above explanation is simple enough for even you to understand.
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 03:46 PM
Here is an accopmplishment that even cappy might be able to appreciate. http://www.alfranken.com/pages/meet_al/When Al left "Saturday Night Live" in 1995, Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress had just taken power. Although Al had refrained from injecting his own politics into his work as a comedian, watching these Republicans and their obnoxious radio mouthpiece, Rush Limbaugh, take aim at Al's core values was too much for him to let stand.
So, he used his wit as a weapon, penning "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot (and other observations)." The book rocketed to #1 on the New York Times best-seller list and inspired a very different kind of reaction from Al's fans. As Al puts it: Making people laugh is the best thing in the world. But when I wrote the Rush book, people would come up to me and say, "Thank you. Thank you for saying what needed to be said." And that was really something.
In 2003, with George W. Bush in the White House and another Republican Congress once again using its media mouthpieces to hold power, Al was named a fellow at Harvard's Shorenstein Center on Press, Politics, and Public Policy. There he wrote his next #1 New York Times best-seller, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." In 2005, he followed with another #1 New York Times best-seller, "The Truth (with jokes)."
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 03:51 PM
No. I just remember how clueless and poorly informed you are on political issues. Do you like the fact that Senator John Warner has retired from the US Senate and that the Democrats are going to pick up that seat.
Sinc you do not understand political issues, let me explain what is going on here for you. Norm Coleman is the republican who is currently holding this seat. Normie is not polling well and is under 50% in his approval ratings with Al Franken actually out polling him in a couple of polls. If you understood anything about politics, it is bad news for an incumbent to be polling under 50% at this stage of the race. It is also bad news if any of your opponents are beating you in the polls at this stage of the race. The reason for this is that opinions about the incumbent are usually fairly well set and he can only go down.
This is one of the four or five seats that the Democrats should pick up without any trouble without regard to who the Democratic nominee is (Franken has a couple of opponents including a very smart trial attorney).
The key thing is that Franken is on the right side of the issues. For example here is his position on the Iraq war. I hope that the above explanation is simple enough for even you to understand.
As usual you claim superiority and belittle your opposition, that does not make you correct, it just makes you a big mouth.
Don't let your alligator mouth overload your misqitoe ass.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 03:53 PM
Here is an accopmplishment that even cappy might be able to appreciate. http://www.alfranken.com/pages/meet_al/
All that means is that he could not write a book that would sell on it's own merits so he used the name of someone who had merit to help sell his lame book.
For every NYTBS he sells a conservative sells 5.
Yawn....
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 03:59 PM
As usual you claim superiority and belittle your opposition, that does not make you correct, it just makes you a big mouth.Again, you did not respond to my question about the Virginia Senate race. I remember how silly you were when I told you about Senator John Warner plans to resign and of course my prediction here was accurate. I love the fact that this seat is actually being considered a safe pickup for the Democrats.
Again, as I tried to explain to you. Norm Coleman is not polling well and for an incumbent to be under 50% at this stage is very bad news. I hope that this simple explanation help clear up why the Democrats have a good chance of picking up this seat.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 04:04 PM
Again, you did not respond to my question about the Virginia Senate race. I remember how silly you were when I told you about Senator John Warner plans to resign and of course my prediction here was accurate. I love the fact that this seat is actually being considered a safe pickup for the Democrats.
Again, as I tried to explain to you. Norm Coleman is not polling well and for an incumbent to be under 50% at this stage is very bad news. I hope that this simple explanation help clear up why the Democrats have a good chance of picking up this seat.
What do you want me to say moron? Of course Virginia is turning democrat. it boarders DC and is being overtaken by hundreds of thousands of leech like federal employees.
Actually as long as we keep 41 republican seats in the senate, we are safe from you socialists.
nixon
02-25-2008, 04:08 PM
What do you want me to say moron? Of course Virginia is turning democrat. it boarders DC and is being overtaken by hundreds of thousands of leech like federal employees.
Actually as long as we keep 41 republican seats in the senate, we are safe from you socialists.Hey Whiskers, don't cop attitude 'cuz your party's losin', Dude.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 04:16 PM
Hey Whiskers, don't cop attitude 'cuz your party's losin', Dude.
When i want your opinion, I will give it to you.
As far as I know the election is in November so no one has lost yet from either party.
PS - Don't call me dude unless you want me to call you asswipe.
nixon
02-25-2008, 04:17 PM
When i want your opinion, I will give it to you.
As far as I know the election is in November so no one has lost yet from either party.
PS - Don't call me dude unless you want me to call you asswipe.O.K., Dude!!!
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 04:19 PM
O.K., Dude!!!
Your choice asswipe.
nixon
02-25-2008, 04:32 PM
Your choice asswipe.Calling somebody Dude is not quite as offensive as calling them asswhipe. I have been called much worse by far better people. Sorry we are not off to a good start, Dude.
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 04:35 PM
Calling somebody Dude is not quite as offensive as calling them asswhipe. I have been called much worse by far better people. Sorry we are not off to a good start, Dude.
I don't really care if we get off to any start. I find that most people who call people dude are not worth bothering with.
As to called worse by better, you obviously don't nknow me or you would not have put it that way.
nixon
02-25-2008, 04:44 PM
I don't really care if we get off to any start. I find that most people who call people dude are not worth bothering with.
As to called worse by better, you obviously don't nknow me or you would not have put it that way.Your pretty good at running your cocksucker, ain't you, Dude? The reason I adressed you as "Dude" is I read two of your posts and determined you to be a fucking asshole, Dude!!!!
Capitalist
02-25-2008, 04:56 PM
Your pretty good at running your cocksucker, ain't you, Dude? The reason I adressed you as "Dude" is I read two of your posts and determined you to be a fucking asshole, Dude!!!!
Bring it crybaby.
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 05:43 PM
All that means is that he could not write a book that would sell on it's own merits so he used the name of someone who had merit to help sell his lame book.
For every NYTBS he sells a conservative sells 5...Is that why coulter is having to give away her latest book?
Franken's book did very well as did his other books. In any event, normie coleman is in big trouble. This will be a nice seat to take away from the repugs.
Yellowdogtexan
02-25-2008, 05:51 PM
Actually as long as we keep 41 republican seats in the senate, we are safe from you socialists.Are you admitting that the White House is going to go the Demcrats? I think that either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will have no trouble defeating mccain.
Are you counting Spector and Snowe in your count of 41? They may not be willing to support silly filibusters. The Demcrats had 45 Senate seats and had trouble maintaining filibusters in some cases. 40 or 41 seats is cutting very close given the way that the Senate operates.
Back in early 2006, I was very hopeful that the Democrats would retake the House but I had no idea that the Democrats would be able to pick up 6 senate seats. Right now, the experts are projecting a pickup of atleast 4 or 5 seats with another 3 or 4 close races. It is possible that the Democrats could pick up enough to neutralize the filibuster to a large degree. I am hoping that rush will swing a couple of races for the Democrats along the way just like he gave the Democrats the seat in Missouri and with that seat, control of the Senate.
Trueblue
02-25-2008, 07:24 PM
http://www.coenbrothers.net/lebjbjg.jpg
Depends on the Dude.
Capitalist
02-26-2008, 10:45 AM
Is that why coulter is having to give away her latest book?
Franken's book did very well as did his other books. In any event, normie coleman is in big trouble. This will be a nice seat to take away from the repugs.
Is that the best you got? Like the Dixie Chicks album, it sold big for a couple of weeks as all the leftists bought it, then it died on the vine as do most leftist books.
Yellowdogtexan
02-28-2008, 12:42 PM
This is amusing. Normie Coleman got caught astroturfing (a practice that includes getting fake letters to the editor). http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/coleman-supporters-defraud-local-papers-with-campaign-distributed-materials/The letter was obviously formatted as a pre-fab letter to the editor by the Coleman campaign and both of these supporters must have felt that the campaign was content with as-is submission of the letters… Why is the Coleman campaign encouraging college students to defraud papers? Why is the Coleman campaign distributing pre-fab letters to the editor and why would they not, at the very least, make it clear that these are not to be copied? These supporters have defrauded these two papers by submitting campaign produced materials under their own names.
This is absurd and disgusting behavior. I certainly hope that the Coleman campaign can explain how this happened under their watch. And even assuming the best case scenario, it’s just really pathetic that all they can muster is generic, pre-fab attacks on Al. I mean, apparently there just aren’t any Coleman supporters out there with some genuine rage of their own to express…
The coleman campaign has had to apologize for being caught http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/mpr-coleman-apologizes-for-lte-scandal/Mere hours after we originally reported on the issue, Norm Coleman’s campaign is featured in a front page article on MPR’s website apologizing for the inappropriate seeding of two identical letters to the editor. MPR reports:Republican Sen. Norm Coleman’s re-election campaign is apologizing to two Minnesota newspapers for two nearly identical letters to the editor that ended up published under two different names. The campaign acknowledges a staffer was behind the letters.
The letters, critical of DFL Senate candidate Al Franken, appeared in the Minnesota Daily and the Winona Daily News.
Coleman campaign spokesman Cullen Sheehan said one of his staffers sent the letters to at least two people who then sent them to the newspapers under their own name.
Sheehan said the letters should not have been sent to the newspapers the way they were.
“It’s a mistake, but in the realm of the campaign, it’s a mistake you learn from, and you move on and it’s not going to happen again.”
The Franken campaign said it wants to know if the Coleman campaign has used similar tactics in the past.The fact that normie is having to resort to such tactics is amusing. The fact that the campaign is so bad at it is even more funny.
Capitalist
02-28-2008, 05:15 PM
Are you admitting that the White House is going to go the Demcrats? I think that either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will have no trouble defeating mccain.
Are you counting Spector and Snowe in your count of 41? They may not be willing to support silly filibusters. The Demcrats had 45 Senate seats and had trouble maintaining filibusters in some cases. 40 or 41 seats is cutting very close given the way that the Senate operates.
Back in early 2006, I was very hopeful that the Democrats would retake the House but I had no idea that the Democrats would be able to pick up 6 senate seats. Right now, the experts are projecting a pickup of atleast 4 or 5 seats with another 3 or 4 close races. It is possible that the Democrats could pick up enough to neutralize the filibuster to a large degree. I am hoping that rush will swing a couple of races for the Democrats along the way just like he gave the Democrats the seat in Missouri and with that seat, control of the Senate.
No asswipe I am saying that we have a fall back position to defend the nation from you socialist, just in case. I know that over half the population is politically and informationally retarded, so it is possible for a democrat to win.
The already control the senate numbnutz.
Not to mention you do know there are several 'conservative' democrats who support the republicans on several issue including taxation and immigration.
Capitalist
02-28-2008, 05:19 PM
http://www.coenbrothers.net/lebjbjg.jpg
Depends on the Dude.
Both those 'dudes' are democrats ya know...
Yellowdogtexan
02-28-2008, 05:45 PM
The already control the senate numbnutz.We are discussing picking up enough seats so that a new democratic president will have a filibuster proof senate to deal with. You really need more than 40 votes to block filibusters on a consistent basis.
Currently this gop minority in the Senate is on track to set a new record on the use of the filibuster. The repugs in the Senate has already conducted more filibusters than the Democrats did in the last congress. After the Democrats pick up a couple of more seats, this practice should be lessened a great deal.
If rush limpballs does his magic, the Democrats may be able greatly restrict the use of filibusters by the remaining republicans in the Senate. It will be fun to watch.
Is that the best you got? Like the Dixie Chicks album, it sold big for a couple of weeks as all the leftists bought it, then it died on the vine as do most leftist books.
Fiction usually outsells non-fiction.
Trueblue
03-01-2008, 08:58 AM
Both those 'dudes' are democrats ya know...
Well hell yes, they are. Smart, talented, funny, what else would they be? Hooray for our side!
Capitalist
03-04-2008, 04:57 PM
We are discussing picking up enough seats so that a new democratic president will have a filibuster proof senate to deal with. You really need more than 40 votes to block filibusters on a consistent basis.
Currently this gop minority in the Senate is on track to set a new record on the use of the filibuster. The repugs in the Senate has already conducted more filibusters than the Democrats did in the last congress. After the Democrats pick up a couple of more seats, this practice should be lessened a great deal.
If rush limpballs does his magic, the Democrats may be able greatly restrict the use of filibusters by the remaining republicans in the Senate. It will be fun to watch.
Dream on numbnutz, there are several democrat in the Senate that know they would lose their seats if they side with the leftists on certain issues.
But the dems getting 60 senate seats? Not going to happen except in your democrap wet dreams.
Capitalist
03-04-2008, 04:57 PM
Well hell yes, they are. Smart, talented, funny, what else would they be? Hooray for our side!
In that picture those men are playing parts, fat dumb and lazy, yep democrats all.
Trueblue
03-04-2008, 05:00 PM
You confuse their roles with their real selves.
Capitalist
03-04-2008, 05:04 PM
You confuse their roles with their real selves.
No confusion, they are leftist asswipes who happen to be talented actors.
Like most hollywood type socialism is ok with them cause they figure to be part of the 'ruling' class.
Trueblue
03-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Right. :lmao
Yellowdogtexan
03-07-2008, 01:03 AM
But the dems getting 60 senate seats? Not going to happen except in your democrap wet dreams.Willyboy, back in 2005, I did not dream that it was possible for the Democrats to pick up six seat and get control of the senate but I was happy to be wrong. This year there is a similar chance that the Democrats could pick up the seats to get a filibuster proof senate. You may find this article interesting. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/politics/07senate.html?ref=politicsFor Democrats hoping the November elections set off a seismic shift in Washington, the dream scenario is not just capturing the White House, but also winning a filibuster-proof majority of 60 seats in the Senate — a luxury no president has enjoyed since Jimmy Carter 30 years ago.
As far-fetched as that might seem — Democrats now control the Senate by a razor-thin 51 to 49, thanks only to two independents who vote with them — some Democrats have started thinking aloud that such a scenario is within reach.
From the Northeast to the Southwest, the Democrats have such a strong hand in this year’s Senate contests that they sense the possibility of victories in unlikely states like Oklahoma and Mississippi, and now even Alaska, which last elected a Democratic senator in 1974.
“It’s a remote possibility, but it is within the realm of plausible,” said Paul Starr, a public affairs professor at Princeton University and a liberal commentator.
Numbers help tell the story. Republicans have 23 seats to defend, including five left vacant by retiring incumbents, while the Democrats have just 12, with a competitive race expected only in Louisiana. Even there, the incumbent, Mary L. Landrieu, is still a heavy favorite.
The presidential race, too, seems to cut in the Democrats’ favor. In many states, there has been record voter turnout in the primaries, but far more for the Democrats. About 28.5 million people have voted in Democratic primaries so far, compared with more than 17.3 million in Republican races, said Curtis Gans, director of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate at American University.
Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, in particular, has shown the capacity to ignite turnout among younger voters and blacks, and Democratic strategists believe he could have longer coattails than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York in states like Minnesota and Oregon, where Democrats hope to gain seats held by Republicans.
On the Republican side, the need of Senator John McCain, the party’s candidate, to run as a centrist may undermine his ability to help Congressional candidates.
Democrats are dominating the money race as well. Campaign finance data released in late February showed the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with more than $30 million, compared with about $13 million for the National Republican Senatorial Committee. It is a long shot but then again the gain of six seats back in 2006 was a long shot and came through.
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