ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private

[Oceanbreeze]

"In an effort to help Sen. Larry Craig, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy."


http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080116/twl-craig-appeal-1be00ca.html

[patriotsblade]

I can see this argument, although I don't agree with it. If you were actually using the stall for it's intended purpose you certainly have the right to expect privacy. I think that their argument is that if it's a private place when you use it for it's intended purpose then it's a private place even when it's not. The purpose of the enclosed stall doesn't change (privacy), just the activity occurring inside it.

[Oceanbreeze]

:lmao I'm a conservative Republican. :lmao He got busted and he can't take it like a man. It's pathetic.

[patriotsblade]

:lmao I'm a conservative Republican. :lmao He got busted and he can't take it like a man. It's pathetic.

True. Us liberals are getting a few chuckles out of the fact that the ACLU is sticking up for him. :lol

[Deadshot]

It's stuff like this that makes the ACLU look so stupid and why I, a Liberal/Democrat, could never give any money to them.

Though it is funny from MANY different viewpoints.:LL

[Yellowdogtexan]

Remember that it was the ACLU who came to the defense of Rush and helped him beat the subpoena of his doctor records. Without that help rush's records from multiple doctors showing a pattern of drug abuse would have been fair game.

Here the ACLU is making a valid argument. The statute in question is too broad and covers actions that should be protected.

[Wabash]

True. Us liberals are getting a few chuckles out of the fact that the ACLU is sticking up for him. :lol
We are all getting a chuckle out of it.....like any other organization, the ACLU is good and bad...mostly bad IMO. They are anti-Christian....and thereby a necessary evil at times.

It's stuff like this that makes the ACLU look so stupid and why I, a Liberal/Democrat, could never give any money to them.

Though it is funny from MANY different viewpoints.:LL
If I were a multimillionaire, the ACLU would never enter my mind for a contribution.....I might send them a turd in an envelope!

Remember that it was the ACLU who came to the defense of Rush and helped him beat the subpoena of his doctor records. Without that help rush's records from multiple doctors showing a pattern of drug abuse would have been fair game.

Here the ACLU is making a valid argument. The statute in question is too broad and covers actions that should be protected.

The statute IS too broad and any cop having to sit in restroom stalls, draws really shitty duty!

In the SF Bay Area, queers are free to meet all they want to in restrooms...and do....No enforcement is done.
Here in Oregon, the restrooms in rest areas, along the I-5 corridor are widely used by queers. Enforcement is done, if caught, but most of these areas are not well patroled and the practice is rampant.

[Oceanbreeze]

Remember that it was the ACLU who came to the defense of Rush and helped him beat the subpoena of his doctor records. Without that help rush's records from multiple doctors showing a pattern of drug abuse would have been fair game.

Here the ACLU is making a valid argument. The statute in question is too broad and covers actions that should be protected.

They were wrong for helping Rush, too. :toetap

[patriotsblade]

We are all getting a chuckle out of it.....like any other organization, the ACLU is good and bad...mostly bad IMO. They are anti-Christian....and thereby a necessary evil at times.


If I were a multimillionaire, the ACLU would never enter my mind for a contribution.....I might send them a turd in an envelope!



The statute IS too broad and any cop having to sit in restroom stalls, draws really shitty duty!

In the SF Bay Area, queers are free to meet all they want to in restrooms...and do....No enforcement is done.
Here in Oregon, the restrooms in rest areas, along the I-5 corridor are widely used by queers. Enforcement is done, if caught, but most of these areas are not well patroled and the practice is rampant.

:bs I worked with the SFPD everday when I was in security Wabash. They responded to those kinds of calls (and made arrests or gave citations) very frequently.

[Wabash]

:bs I worked with the SFPD everday when I was in security Wabash. They responded to those kinds of calls (and made arrests or gave citations) very frequently.

Ok, I guess I should have qualified that...the cops used to take a reactive response, rather than proactive. I've never known them to put decoys in the restrooms as they did back east. Now, it's been many years since I've known anyone down there in LE...most of them have passed away or retired and moved away.

Hey, busting queers is ok with me!:pblade

[Yellowdogtexan]

They were wrong for helping Rush, too. :toetapThe ACLU did the right thing in helping a drug addict keep his doctor records private. Without this assistance, rush could have to face prison time and contact with minorities.

[Wabash]

The ACLU did the right thing in helping a drug addict keep his doctor records private. Without this assistance, rush could have to face prison time and contact with minorities.

Ooooooooooo...icky...

[D2]

:lmao I'm a conservative Republican. :lmao He got busted and he can't take it like a man. It's pathetic.


i agree with You, OB !!! :slapper

[Wabash]

I wouldn't really characterize him as a drug addict! He isn't nor was a true drug addict! That is a person, IMO, who is totally consumed by drugs and cannot function in society...Rush became drug dependent via back surgery as sooooo many hundreds of people in this country and other countries have done.
He beat it and is doing well and I'm happy for it! We need him to fight Liberalism and he does it very well.
That was one of the VERY few times that I thought the ACLU did something right.

[patriotsblade]

The ACLU did the right thing in helping a drug addict keep his doctor records private. Without this assistance, rush could have to face prison time and contact with minorities.

Oh, the humanity! :rofl

[Oceanbreeze]

The ACLU did the right thing in helping a drug addict keep his doctor records private. Without this assistance, rush could have to face prison time and contact with minorities.

He was illegally buying drugs, he deserved prison.

[Wabash]

Oh, the humanity! :rofl

Yep...and Rush is VERY human and a real plus for conservatives across the country!

[Trueblue]

We are all getting a chuckle out of it.....like any other organization, the ACLU is good and bad...mostly bad IMO. They are anti-Christian....and thereby a necessary evil at times.

The ACLU isn't pro or anti Christian.

I wouldn't really characterize him as a drug addict! He isn't nor was a true drug addict! That is a person, IMO, who is totally consumed by drugs and cannot function in society...Rush became drug dependent via back surgery as sooooo many hundreds of people in this country and other countries have done.
He beat it and is doing well and I'm happy for it! We need him to fight Liberalism and he does it very well.
That was one of the VERY few times that I thought the ACLU did something right.

You are in as much denial as Rush! He absolutely was consumed by his addition to prescription medications. Not being able to function at all is not part of the description of an addict. Many addicts function-at least for a while, many of them for years.

Rush was once addicted to food, and then later to pain killers, and then I guess addicted to sex. The quote below sums it up well:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/10/rush.limbaugh/

http://www.observer.com/node/48189

According to his biographers, Mr. Limbaugh has always been a terribly insecure and often lonely man. His chronic projection of rage against women, gays, blacks, liberals, Democrats and others is a symptom. Addiction is a psychiatric diagnosis, which most often occurs in people who medicate themselves to relieve psychic pain. His repeated failures to conquer his drug dependency suggest that he has yet to obtain the kind of therapy he needs.

[Deadshot]

Almost EVERY man is addicted to Sex! :drool

[Oceanbreeze]

Almost EVERY man is addicted to Sex! :drool

:lmao true. :lmao

[Trueblue]

Point taken. :D

But how many Viagra did he come back with from "Under-Age Sex Island"????? And if he came back with that many, then he either had even more when he left, or he was extremely unlucky that week.

[jim]

Boy!!! has the whole damn country gone crazy?? Perverted??? Both???

[jim]

Almost EVERY man is addicted to Sex! :drool

Maybe - But I still lkie to think that it is normal sex with most:lmao

[Ringo]

Remember that it was the ACLU who came to the defense of Rush and helped him beat the subpoena of his doctor records. Without that help rush's records from multiple doctors showing a pattern of drug abuse would have been fair game.

Here the ACLU is making a valid argument. The statute in question is too broad and covers actions that should be protected.

Yes and the ACLU also saved all of you from Jesus, and stripped thr Constitution and handed America to their Commie-Terrorist buddies! I bet your glad they are defending him though eh doggie, as I spect Lawyers play a lot of footsies too, huh, huh, huh???:mw:mw

[Oceanbreeze]

Yes and the ACLU also saved all of you from Jesus, and stripped thr Constitution and handed America to their Commie-Terrorist buddies! I bet your glad they are defending him though eh doggie, as I spect Lawyers play a lot of footsies too, huh, huh, huh???:mw:mw

Welcome back, Ringo. :lmao :lmao Although I don't understand your post one iota. :lmao

[Ringo]

I wouldn't really characterize him as a drug addict! He isn't nor was a true drug addict! That is a person, IMO, who is totally consumed by drugs and cannot function in society...Rush became drug dependent via back surgery as sooooo many hundreds of people in this country and other countries have done.
He beat it and is doing well and I'm happy for it! We need him to fight Liberalism and he does it very well.
That was one of the VERY few times that I thought the ACLU did something right.

But the HATE crowd doesn't want Rush to do well, they just want their SICK PRICKS like Kennedy-Clinton to get over their perverted murderous lifestyles, and expect us to care about the Losers!! Hell Rush would tear Doggie a new asshole and not even really concentrate, as Liberals like him are the HATE squad for Commie-Terrorists unAmerican pukes!!!

[Oceanbreeze]

But the HATE crowd doesn't want Rush to do well, they just want their SICK PRICKS like Kennedy-Clinton to get over their perverted murderous lifestyles, and expect us to care about the Losers!! Hell Rush would tear Doggie a new asshole and not even really concentrate, as Liberals like him are the HATE squad for Commie-Terrorists unAmerican pukes!!!

Ringo...ohhhh...I get it...it's hump day. :lmao

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/humpday-963.jpg

[POGO-SATAN]

I've heard of people giving a filthy sanchez in the public bathrooms. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of this.

[Lone Laugher]

One of the funniest things I ever heard was the account of how Rushy would buy his stash......with CABBAGE!

[Wabash]

He was illegally buying drugs, he deserved prison.
Anyone else would have got a light sentence or probation...why did he deserve prison time? Since he wasn't even Charged...he deserves ...NO TIME! No charge, no conviction, nothing proven, only hearsay......= no time!
ALL spec!
Almost EVERY man is addicted to Sex! :drool
Yes...and there is nothing wrong with that!

Welcome back, Ringo. :lmao :lmao Although I don't understand your post one iota. :lmao

I did...very simple!

But the HATE crowd doesn't want Rush to do well, they just want their SICK PRICKS like Kennedy-Clinton to get over their perverted murderous lifestyles, and expect us to care about the Losers!! Hell Rush would tear Doggie a new asshole and not even really concentrate, as Liberals like him are the HATE squad for Commie-Terrorists unAmerican pukes!!!
Exactly!

I've heard of people giving a filthy sanchez in the public bathrooms. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of this.
Sounds kinda beanerish to me....:hotdog I think I may have bumped into him south of the border...

[Yellowdogtexan]

I read this story a couple of weeks ago but did not post it. Here is a story about the brief filed by Larry Craig in this case. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/08/national/main3689686.shtmlSeeking to have his guilty plea in a bathroom sex sting erased, the attorneys for Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho argue in a new court filing that the underlying act wasn't criminal because it didn't involve multiple victims.

An appeals brief filed Tuesday contends that Minnesota's disorderly conduct law "requires that the conduct at issue have a tendency to alarm or anger 'others"' - underscoring the plural nature of the term.

Craig's brief goes on to cite other convictions that were overturned because the multiple-victim test wasn't met. His lawyers apply the same logic to his case.

The Republican senator pleaded guilty in August after his arrest two months earlier at the Minneapolis airport. It was part of a broader undercover push targeting men soliciting sex in public restrooms.

Craig was arrested June 11 by an undercover officer, Sgt. Dave Karsnia, who said Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex. Craig has denied that, saying his actions were misconstrued.

"Appellant's alleged conduct in this case affected only a single individual - Sergeant Karsnia," the Craig brief says. "It did not - and could not affect 'others' as the disorderly conduct statute requires, and therefore, does not satisfy that element of the statute."

The brief also argues that Karsnia himself could not have been offended by the alleged conduct because "he invited it." The alleged conduct, Craig's lawyers added, doesn't rise to the level of being "offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous or noisy."

Craig's earlier attempt to withdraw his plea was turned down by a district court judge, and the case is now before the Minnesota Court of Appeals.

Besides attacking the law he was prosecuted under, Craig's legal team argues that the hand signal allegedly used to communicate a desire to engage in sexual conduct would be constitutionally protected speech. They also say the plea is technically flawed because it lacked a judicial signature. This case is going to be fun to watch.

[Trueblue]

I have to say that having an undercover cop in there was creepy. Why not just hire an attendant?

[POGO-SATAN]

Sounds kinda beanerish to me....:hotdog I think I may have bumped into him south of the border...


What is beanerish? I've never heard that jargon. Not down here anyway.

[Wabash]

I have to say that having an undercover cop in there was creepy. Why not just hire an attendant?

The cops are the only ones willing to get their hands.......soiled!:LL

What is beanerish? I've never heard that jargon. Not down here anyway.

Down here? In Hell? Doesn't apply down there....

Sanchez, Gomez, Gonzales,..............:tequila:tequila

[Matt]

..."The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief." [quote]

I cannot imagine sexual intimacy in a bathroom stall that is open at the bottom not 'calling attention to itself'.

Craig called attention to himself in a neighboring stall or he would not have been arrested.

Someone might need to get the court to revisit that decision from 38 years ago.
Public restrooms are NOT private!

[Trueblue]

I heard this called "creative lawyering" by the ACLU, and I have to agree.

Wabash, there are folks who doctor shopped who got prison time. It's illegal. Your hero took huge amounts of legal drugs illegally. Why is everything that he does okay, simply because he hates the same things that you hate?

[Ringo]

The ACLU isn't pro or anti Christian.



You are in as much denial as Rush! He absolutely was consumed by his addition to prescription medications. Not being able to function at all is not part of the description of an addict. Many addicts function-at least for a while, many of them for years.

Rush was once addicted to food, and then later to pain killers, and then I guess addicted to sex. The quote below sums it up well:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/10/rush.limbaugh/

http://www.observer.com/node/48189

That is a nice report from TPA's Ms ANALality who knows all, sees nothing, but opines anyway? Tell us about Bill Clintons Wide RED nose, and why Roger calls him Vaccum Nose? Tell us about Bills sex addiction and his hatred for women that drives him to RAPE?? No film TB it would be gross, as looking at the fat fuck in clothes is bad enough!!:sheep

[Ringo]

..."The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief." [quote]

I cannot imagine sexual intimacy in a bathroom stall that is open at the bottom not 'calling attention to itself'.

Craig called attention to himself in a neighboring stall or he would not have been arrested.

Someone might need to get the court to revisit that decision from 38 years ago.
Public restrooms are NOT private!

Me neither Matt I am more of a quickie up the shaft of a Glass elevator in NYC or in full gallop across the prarie beside the Interstate! They thrill intensifies the outcome!!:sex:sex

[Trueblue]

That is a nice report from TPA's Ms ANALality who knows all, sees nothing, but opines anyway? Tell us about Bill Clintons Wide RED nose, and why Roger calls him Vaccum Nose? Tell us about Bills sex addiction and his hatred for women that drives him to RAPE?? No film TB it would be gross, as looking at the fat fuck in clothes is bad enough!!:sheep

Ringo, I may smart off to you, but I do not speak to you like you speak to me. Enough, stop it with attacking me and stop bringing my family into your posts.

[BartonX]

Why all the uproar over Craig when Barney Frank sits back and does this stuff for real constantly? I don't get it?

[Yellowdogtexan]

Why all the uproar over Craig when Barney Frank sits back and does this stuff for real constantly? I don't get it?Because Larry Craig is a hypocrite in that he is very anti-gay in his votes but engages in these alleged actions. The Democrats do not care one way or another but it is the GOP which is upset. There is some fear that Craig coming out of the closet will hurt the GOP with value voters. Mitch McConnell did his best to force Craig out including threathening Senate Ethics Committee hearings on Craig and Craig has initially agreed to resign for the good of the party.

The Democrats are sitting back and laughing at this mess. If craig coming out of the closet hurts the GOP with value voters, the Democrats will not complain. If the GOP wants to hold ethics hearings on one of their members, the Democrats will not block such hearings and will watch the GOP self destruct. BTW, Mitch McConnell has backed off the ethics hearings threat once it becamse clear that Craig was not going to resign and that the Democrats were happy to give him his hearings.

Finally as a member of the ACLU, I find it amusing when the ACLU defends low lifes like rush and Craig

[nixon]

Why all the uproar over Craig when Barney Frank sits back and does this stuff for real constantly? I don't get it? It's the Republicans that are against the gay community. This is what the GOP means by "Family Values"? Man on man sex in a public restroom. Yes, my fellow Americans, this is the Party I chose to represent me. Nixon.