Law Would Prohibit Smoking In Car With Children

[Saguaro]

OMAHA, Neb. -- A proposal for a new law in Nebraska would make it illegal to smoke in a car where children are present.

Three states -- California, Arkansas and Louisiana -- have already passed similar laws and 16 other states are considering the legislation, including Illinois, Connecticut and Maine.

Smoking in a car isn't like smoking in a bar, experts said. If the windows are rolled up, the smoke has nowhere to go. The bill, by state Sen. Gwen Howard, would make it illegal to smoke with a child under 16 in the car.

"I understand smokers saying this would be their right to smoke, however I would say it's also the child's right to be able to breathe," Howard said.

Howard said a TV commercial inspired her to introduce the bill.

"A mother in the front seat smoking and two children in the back seat, and the one child is crying -- you can see the smoke billowing up, and the second child saying, 'I can't breathe,'" Howard said.

Donna Jackson, a mother, said she is trying to quit smoking.

"I am trying to so hard. I am trying. If they don't want you to do it in your car, then they wouldn't want you to do it in your home," Jackson said. "I don't think the government has the right to tell me if I choose to infect my body or not, or my kids. That's my individual choice."

Like Jackson, mother Skye Kain said she doesn't smoke when her daughter's in the car either.

"It's almost like telling people you have to brush your teeth at 7:30 every night. How are you going to be able to enforce something like that?" Kain asked.

Jayrita Fisher said she stopped smoking after her second child was born.

"Second-hand smoke is a very bad thing. It's a good idea in most cases. I don't think it's going to stop people from doing it," Fisher said of Howard's proposal.

If the bill becomes law, violators could get a ticket of $50-$150..

"I figure that if I choose to light up, I should be able to do that without getting a ticket," Jackson said.

If passed, the prohibition would be a primary offense, which means officers can pull drivers over if they see smoking in a car with children.

Howard said second-hand smoking affects children and taxpayers because we've all got to pay their medical bills. She also said the first fine would be waived if the alleged violator took a smoking cessation course.

http://www.ketv.com/politics/15043164/detail.html

[MW]

Why not just make cigarettes illegal and be done with it . . . oh, then the state would lose a lot of tax money, wouldn't they?

[sparks]

How long before it's a government requirement to have pre-screening of potential parents before women become pregnant?

Government needs to get their noses out of the private lives of individuals! :roll

They need to stop treating cigarette smoking as a heroin addiction and butt the fuck out! :roll

[Saguaro]

Adults have every right to smoke,but children don't have a say in the air they are forced to breathe,especially in a car

[cassandra]

What the heck!?!??!?!

That is outrageous. Why don't they go after real criminals and leave people alone.

[sparks]

"I figure that if I choose to light up, I should be able to do that without getting a ticket," Jackson said.

Amen! :roll :roll :roll

[cassandra]

Adults have every right to smoke,but children don't have a say in the air they are forced to breathe,especially in a car

I recently read a study that it was more healthy to breathe second hand smoke in a car than smog on the street. What about all the people who have their windows down with kids in the car??

What about in their home?? How is the car any different than smoking in the home while a kid is in there?

This whole thing is incredibly controlling.

[sparks]

Adults have every right to smoke,but children don't have a say in the air they are forced to breathe,especially in a car

The fact of the matter is that children don't have a say in most things that occur in their lives, so what's the big deal? They are directed by parents, teachers and others during their lives until they reach the golden age of 18 whether they like it or not!

I found it interesting in this legislation that the law only applies to children up to the age of 16...than apparently the government doesn't give a shit if their health's affected or not! Hypocrites!

What the heck!?!??!?!

That is outrageous. Why don't they go after real criminals and leave people alone.

Really!!! :roll

[Saguaro]

I am all for adults smoking. I am against children being subjected to cigarette smoke. I never smoked in the car when my kids were young

[sparks]

I am all for adults smoking. I am against children being subjected to cigarette smoke. I never smoked in the car when my kids were young


I did, but always had the window cracked when I did. My kids don't have any respiratory illnesses either! I really think this crackdown on smokers has gone off the charts with it's complete ridiculousness!

[Oceanbreeze]

But, I still like ya, Sparks. :smoke

[sparks]

But, I still like ya, Sparks. :smoke


:hug

[cassandra]

My parents smoked in the home and in the car when I was younger and I do not have any health concerns because of it.

[Trueblue]

I recently read a study that it was more healthy to breathe second hand smoke in a car than smog on the street. What about all the people who have their windows down with kids in the car??

What about in their home?? How is the car any different than smoking in the home while a kid is in there?

This whole thing is incredibly controlling.

What study said that?

[Partyless]

How long before it's a government requirement to have pre-screening of potential parents before women become pregnant?

Government needs to get their noses out of the private lives of individuals! :roll

They need to stop treating cigarette smoking as a heroin addiction and butt the fuck out! :roll

:thumbsup Amen to that one!!!!!

:paclap

[Deadshot]

What's so funny about reading these posts is that we can prove, with scientific evidence, that second hand smoke is not good for kids. Yet some of the people that have posted here about how this is such an infringment on the rights of people to do what they will would post just as vehemently, albeit for the other side of the equation, for a law banning Gay marriage, which hurts no one.

Ironic, black humor and sad all at the same time....:deadshot

[Indy]

What I find perplexing is many of the same democrats that are ranting and raving about smoking around children are more than happy to allow the children to be aborted in the womb. I think it's hypocritical. If they're so damn worried about kids, they should be across the board, not just when it suits the liberal agenda.

Didn't their mommas ever teach them that they can't control other people? And it's not really their place to do so.

[Trueblue]

It doesn't seem strange if you put a little thought into the matter.

Nobody is "pro-abortion" that I've ever met. Most people are opposed to late term abortion, but willing to let women make their own choice in the very early stages. No matter how you spin it, society does not view an embryo the same way that they view a fetus, or an infant, or a child.

I find it amazing that people consider having to delay smoking for a few minutes as intrusive as being forced to continue a pregnancy for nine months, regardless of one's personal circumstances.

I wish that there was no abortion, and that nobody ever had a respiratory ailment. :pblade Maybe someday, but not today. I also wish that everybody used good birth control and that nobody smoked.

I remember a mother telling me about her child's week long stay in the hospital from an asthma attack, and tell me that she only smokes "outside the house" as if that took care of the problem, and none of the particulates came back into the house on her clothing.

I don't think this is enforceable, and don't wish to see it enacted for that reason. However, working in the schools with kids who are saturated in smoke [obviously with more than one adult who smokes a great deal and doesn't do much to keep the house fresh] and see what it does to their noses and ears, and then to their reading skills-I can see why somebody is considering this. By the same token, when I read how many people are having abortions when birth control would be better for all, I can see why people get frustrated with the rate of abortion today.

[Indy]

Let me get this straight...

ok to kill a fetus
not ok to smoke in car with child

Still seems hypocritical to me.

I'm not arguing for or against this issue. Rationalize your beliefs however it makes you feel comfortable. That doesn't make the situation any less hypocritical.

[Deadshot]

It's real easy for me Indy. Having a child is a life long commitment that will effect you for the next few decades.

Not smoking around your child in a hour or two hour car ride is a pretty simplistic and easy decision to make.

Do you get the difference between a decision that effects the next hour or two of your life versus a decision that will effect the next 157,680 hours (18 years) of your life?

[Trueblue]

Let me get this straight...

ok to kill a fetus
not ok to smoke in car with child

Still seems hypocritical to me.

I'm not arguing for or against this issue. Rationalize your beliefs however it makes you feel comfortable. That doesn't make the situation any less hypocritical.

It's real easy for me Indy. Having a child is a life long commitment that will effect you for the next few decades.

Not smoking around your child in a hour or two hour car ride is a pretty simplistic and easy decision to make.

Do you get the difference between a decision that effects the next hour or two of your life versus a decision that will effect the next 157,680 hours (18 years) of your life?

Thanks, Deadshot, that was a good explanation.

Indy, you surely saw that I talked about the difference between embryos and fetuses, but your post said fetus.

The only reason for the suggested law is to protect the lives of children. Rationalize it all you like, but smoking in the car can hurt kids.

[Oceanbreeze]

It doesn't seem strange if you put a little thought into the matter.

Nobody is "pro-abortion" that I've ever met. Most people are opposed to late term abortion, but willing to let women make their own choice in the very early stages. No matter how you spin it, society does not view an embryo the same way that they view a fetus, or an infant, or a child.

I find it amazing that people consider having to delay smoking for a few minutes as intrusive as being forced to continue a pregnancy for nine months, regardless of one's personal circumstances.

I wish that there was no abortion, and that nobody ever had a respiratory ailment. :pblade Maybe someday, but not today. I also wish that everybody used good birth control and that nobody smoked.

I remember a mother telling me about her child's week long stay in the hospital from an asthma attack, and tell me that she only smokes "outside the house" as if that took care of the problem, and none of the particulates came back into the house on her clothing.

I don't think this is enforceable, and don't wish to see it enacted for that reason. However, working in the schools with kids who are saturated in smoke [obviously with more than one adult who smokes a great deal and doesn't do much to keep the house fresh] and see what it does to their noses and ears, and then to their reading skills-I can see why somebody is considering this. By the same token, when I read how many people are having abortions when birth control would be better for all, I can see why people get frustrated with the rate of abortion today.

:boyhowdy I agree with you.

[sparks]

Thanks, Deadshot, that was a good explanation.

Indy, you surely saw that I talked about the difference between embryos and fetuses, but your post said fetus.

The only reason for the suggested law is to protect the lives of children. Rationalize it all you like, but smoking in the car can hurt kids.

Didn't seem to hurt mine! :shrug

It doesn't seem strange if you put a little thought into the matter.

Nobody is "pro-abortion" that I've ever met. Most people are opposed to late term abortion, but willing to let women make their own choice in the very early stages. No matter how you spin it, society does not view an embryo the same way that they view a fetus, or an infant, or a child.

I find it amazing that people consider having to delay smoking for a few minutes as intrusive as being forced to continue a pregnancy for nine months, regardless of one's personal circumstances.

I wish that there was no abortion, and that nobody ever had a respiratory ailment. :pblade Maybe someday, but not today. I also wish that everybody used good birth control and that nobody smoked.

I remember a mother telling me about her child's week long stay in the hospital from an asthma attack, and tell me that she only smokes "outside the house" as if that took care of the problem, and none of the particulates came back into the house on her clothing.

I don't think this is enforceable, and don't wish to see it enacted for that reason. However, working in the schools with kids who are saturated in smoke [obviously with more than one adult who smokes a great deal and doesn't do much to keep the house fresh] and see what it does to their noses and ears, and then to their reading skills-I can see why somebody is considering this. By the same token, when I read how many people are having abortions when birth control would be better for all, I can see why people get frustrated with the rate of abortion today.

Oh come on TB..."particulates"??? Gheeze...how picky can ya get? Do you think this Mother should shower and change clothes outside before returning into her home? How ridiculous!

If her child has asthma and the Mother smokes outside the home, I say the child's problem comes from her parents passing along faulty genes to their children. It's in the child's DNA at this point.

Maybe the kid needs to live in a bubble if she's that susceptible to her asthma attacks...either that or change her medication to something that actually works a bit better for her affliction. I doubt if the kids asthma attacks are brought about by the "particulates" clinging to her Mother's clothing when she smokes outside! Gheeze!

[Trueblue]

Didn't seem to hurt mine! :shrug



Oh come on TB..."particulates"??? Gheeze...how picky can ya get? Do you think this Mother should shower and change clothes outside before returning into her home? How ridiculous!

If her child has asthma and the Mother smokes outside the home, I say the child's problem comes from her parents passing along faulty genes to their children. It's in the child's DNA at this point.

Maybe the kid needs to live in a bubble if she's that susceptible to her asthma attacks...either that or change her medication to something that actually works a bit better for her affliction. I doubt if the kids asthma attacks are brought about by the "particulates" clinging to her Mother's clothing when she smokes outside! Gheeze!

I'm not being picky, sparks, I'm telling you how it is. I can't believe you are arguing this. What do you think smoke is, anyway????

Don't you know any kids with asthma? It's perfectly possible to have bad asthma triggered by second-hand smoke, and yet not have to live in a bubble. Are you now blaming kids for having asthma?

[Oceanbreeze]

:sparks2 :sparks2 :sparks2 :hug :tarty

[Trueblue]

Smoke is the airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes pyrolysis or combustion, together with the quantity of air that is entrained or otherwise mixed into the mass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke

The same stuff that goes down your lungs and settles inside of them also falls on your clothing when you smoke. You exhale smoke, and it initially rises, then as it cools, the particulates fall back down on you and your clothes. Then you carry it in to the kid.

I think the mother of a child this sick should quit smoking.

[sparks]

I'm not being picky, sparks, I'm telling you how it is. I can't believe you are arguing this. What do you think smoke is, anyway????

Don't you know any kids with asthma? It's perfectly possible to have bad asthma triggered by second-hand smoke, and yet not have to live in a bubble. Are you now blaming kids for having asthma?

And what about the particulates of smog or air pollution? Why just pick on the smoker? I'll tell ya why...they're an easy target to want to blame. We live in a society that wants to point their finger at something and place blame. Somehow that makes people feel better about themselves to do so! :roll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke

The same stuff that goes down your lungs and settles inside of them also falls on your clothing when you smoke. You exhale smoke, and it initially rises, then as it cools, the particulates fall back down on you and your clothes. Then you carry it in to the kid.

I think the mother of a child this sick should quit smoking.

I'm of the opinion and always have been that our children need to fit into our lives, not that we have to fit into our children's lives. The parents are in charge...or at least traditionally that's how it's been, but things seem to be changing to where the children are starting to run the show with all the government mandates lately against what parents can and can't do in their own home. The rights of the parents are slowly being taken away and exchanged with nothing but society restricting and blaming them for every little thing. I'm surprised in this day and age anyone actually wants to have any children, given the situation!

The chain of command and authority seems to be a tad skewed if you ask me! This Mother smokes outside...I'd say she's doing her part to protect her child from any asthma attacks, but asthma is a funny disease. Stress seems to bring about an attack more than anything. My niece has asthma and she had an asthma attack at the church during her wedding...by the way, nobody was smoking in the Church! Nor did her parents smoke as she was being raised. Go figure, huh? :roll

[Saguaro]

Asthma is triggered by a number of things,allergies are the number #1 reason an astham attack happens, exercise can also trigger an attack.

[cassandra]

I think the mother of a child this sick should quit smoking.

I think that is her decision and her decision alone.

I am sure you have done things in your life that others would have done differently. We all have that same right to make mistakes and live our life.

[sparks]

I think that is her decision and her decision alone.

I am sure you have done things in your life that others would have done differently. We all have that same right to make mistakes and live our life.

:paclap Amen Cassandra! :paclap

[Oceanbreeze]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke

The same stuff that goes down your lungs and settles inside of them also falls on your clothing when you smoke. You exhale smoke, and it initially rises, then as it cools, the particulates fall back down on you and your clothes. Then you carry it in to the kid.

I think the mother of a child this sick should quit smoking.

:paclap :paclap :paclap

[BartonX]

Horses die of lung cancer and I have never seen one smoke,but if they did I am sure they would smoke Marllboro 100's.

[sparks]

I can understand why asthmatics would be against smoking in any way shape or form, but why should the rest of society have to pander to their affliction?

[Oceanbreeze]

I can understand why asthmatics would be against smoking in any way shape or form, but why should the rest of society have to pander to their affliction?

I shouldn't have to suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Period.

BartonX: my 14 year old cat died of lung cancer. :shrug

But, my 63 year old father who quit smoking over 30 years ago DIED of stage 4 pancoast lung cancer in May '07.

[sparks]

I shouldn't have to suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Period.

BartonX: my 14 year old cat died of lung cancer. :shrug

But, my 63 year old father who quit smoking over 30 years ago DIED of stage 4 pancoast lung cancer in May '07.

Go figure, huh? :rofl

[sparks]

I shouldn't have to suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Period.

BartonX: my 14 year old cat died of lung cancer. :shrug

But, my 63 year old father who quit smoking over 30 years ago DIED of stage 4 pancoast lung cancer in May '07.

Then you are the one who needs to live in a bubble! It's your affliction, take some ownership! It's not other people's fault you have an affliction! Why should they have to pander to you?

[Oceanbreeze]

Then you are the one who needs to live in a bubble! It's your affliction, take some ownership! It's not other people's fault you have an affliction! Why should they have to pander to you?

I would love to live in a bubble. :lmao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SOcFdS_ALMw :lmao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5a9ge8LKb4 :lmao

I do have ownership. I chose for my hair, clothes, and house not to smell of smoke. I chose not to spend extra money on cancer sticks.

[sparks]

I would love to live in a bubble. :lmao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SOcFdS_ALMw :lmao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5a9ge8LKb4 :lmao

I do have ownership. I chose for my hair, clothes, and house not to smell of smoke. I chose not to spend extra money on cancer sticks.

Cool! And as you make your own choices for your lifestyle, so can everybody! Even smokers. :shrug

[Trueblue]

And what about the particulates of smog or air pollution? Why just pick on the smoker? I'll tell ya why...they're an easy target to want to blame. We live in a society that wants to point their finger at something and place blame. Somehow that makes people feel better about themselves to do so! :roll

Baloney. It's because of what the smoke does to people. I think smokers want to pretend it's something else because they can't deal with how much their smoking bothers people.

It would have to be very thick smog to be as bad as being near a smoker, or a campfire, for that matter.

It has zero to do with anything except the impact it has on others.

I'm of the opinion and always have been that our children need to fit into our lives, not that we have to fit into our children's lives. The parents are in charge...or at least traditionally that's how it's been, but things seem to be changing to where the children are starting to run the show with all the government mandates lately against what parents can and can't do in their own home. The rights of the parents are slowly being taken away and exchanged with nothing but society restricting and blaming them for every little thing. I'm surprised in this day and age anyone actually wants to have any children, given the situation!


And if a parent smokes around an asthmatic child, and the child has asthma, that's a sign that the child is badly behaved? Or what?

The chain of command and authority seems to be a tad skewed if you ask me! This Mother smokes outside...I'd say she's doing her part to protect her child from any asthma attacks, but asthma is a funny disease. Stress seems to bring about an attack more than anything. My niece has asthma and she had an asthma attack at the church during her wedding...by the way, nobody was smoking in the Church! Nor did her parents smoke as she was being raised. Go figure, huh? :roll

It wasn't enough, sparks, so no, she wasn't doing her part. And nobody said smoking was the only cause of asthma. Nobody. It's just a trigger for many people.

I think that is her decision and her decision alone.

I am sure you have done things in your life that others would have done differently. We all have that same right to make mistakes and live our life.

Actually, I don't think it's her decision once the child is this sick. If my child was that sick, and my husband had been a smoker, I'd have gotten a court order if I couldn't get him to stop any other way.

I can understand why asthmatics would be against smoking in any way shape or form, but why should the rest of society have to pander to their affliction?

This is incredible. sparks, why should people have to pander to YOUR addiction? You choose to smoke, people don't choose to have asthma. You're the one with the choice here, not the asthmatic.

I shouldn't have to suffer from 2nd hand smoke. Period.

That's how I see it. I gave up the bars to the smokers years ago, they won that territory from me. My friends don't smoke around any nonsmokers in their cars, and they go outside to smoke if they are visiting a nonsmoker. And most of them have quit at this point anyway. You really start to feel it in your forties and fifties.

[Trueblue]

Then you are the one who needs to live in a bubble! It's your affliction, take some ownership! It's not other people's fault you have an affliction! Why should they have to pander to you?

You want to smoke? Then you are the one who needs to live in a bubble. It's your addiction, take some ownership! It's not other people's fault you have an addiction! Why should they have to pander to you?

[POGO-SATAN]

Law should be.....Freedom to do what you want. The government dont own us....Not me anyway.

Stay out of my business.http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_zrqeShlvQ

[sparks]

I think smokers want to pretend it's something else because they can't deal with how much their smoking bothers people.

So why should the smoker have to change their ways cause some are bothered by their activity? Those who are bothered can stay the hell away! :shrug

It would have to be very thick smog to be as bad as being near a smoker, or a campfire, for that matter.

Maybe some legislation should be proposed banning asthmatics from camping? For their own protection of course! :roll

It wasn't enough, sparks, so no, she wasn't doing her part.

By your reasoning, it's the parents fault if the kid has an asthma attack! That's ludicrous! So...what happens if the Mother quits smoking and the kid continues to have asthma attacks? Is it still the Mother's fault or is it just the simple, clear fact that the kid has a disease?

Come on TB...even is the Mother lived a squeaky clean life according to your standards, it's not gonna cure the kid of asthma! If the Mom wants to smoke it's her business...and if she's going outside to do so because of her child's illness, she's done her part. :roll

If my child was that sick, and my husband had been a smoker, I'd have gotten a court order if I couldn't get him to stop any other way.

But ya know...it may have been you who passed the faulty DNA along to the child and have nothing to do with your husband...especially if he doesn't smoke around the child.

Perhaps the husband should sue you for you having passed along the disease to your child?

Perhaps legislation should be passed that anyone with any physical ailment shouldn't be allowed to breed?

You choose to smoke, people don't choose to have asthma.

No...they don't choose to have asthma. So? They're still the one with the health issue that THEY need to take responsibility for, not the smoker.

[sparks]

You want to smoke? Then you are the one who needs to live in a bubble. It's your addiction, take some ownership! It's not other people's fault you have an addiction! Why should they have to pander to you?

I'm not asking them to pander to me! If they're sickly they should stay at home and sip some chicken soup!

They are the ones with the affliction!

[Trueblue]

No, you have the affliction. You are addicted to cigarettes. You take responsibility. Stop expecting little kids and people with respiratory ailments to stay home so you can smoke without any restrictions.

[POGO-SATAN]

Fuck this....I'm going to have a smoke right now.......In this thread......

Meanwhile.......Lets watch some beautiful women smokehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=ARgAYM6jI1k

:theman

[Trueblue]

Also, if cigarettes cause the attacks-and they often do, then the mother hasn't done her part. Her part is to do what's right by her child. No, cassandra, none of us are perfect at that, but our standards are higher than this.

And the court order statement wasn't vindictive, that's what you do when a child is sick and the parent is making it worse.

[sparks]

No, you have the affliction. You are addicted to cigarettes. You take responsibility. Stop expecting little kids and people with respiratory ailments to stay home so you can smoke without any restrictions.

Let me make something clear. If I'm with non-smoking folks, I do my best to accommodate them and smoke outside of their presence. However, if that isn't good enough for them and they required me to not smoke at all when with them, I wouldn't even want to be friends with them...as they would obviously be way too controlling for me to tolerate for any length of time anyway. Life's too short to try to please everyone...especially the anti-smoking Nazi's!

Fuck 'em! Puff, puff! :smoke

[sparks]

Also, if cigarettes cause the attacks-and they often do, then the mother hasn't done her part. Her part is to do what's right by her child. No, cassandra, none of us are perfect at that, but our standards are higher than this.

And the court order statement wasn't vindictive, that's what you do when a child is sick and the parent is making it worse.

It would be difficult to prove in a court of law that a childs asthma attacks were due solely to particulates clinging to someone's clothes after smoking outside. :roll

Good luck with that one! :rofl

[Trueblue]

Let me make something clear. If I'm with non-smoking folks, I do my best to accommodate them and smoke outside of their presence. However, if that isn't good enough for them and they required me to not smoke at all when with them, I wouldn't even want to be friends with them...as they would obviously be way too controlling for me to tolerate for any length of time anyway. Life's too short to try to please everyone...especially the anti-smoking Nazi's!

Fuck 'em! Puff, puff! :smoke

I'm sure you're polite to others, I have always found you to be a nice person.

I didn't ask people not to smoke around me, I would get headaches that were terrible. My friends and I go up to a cabin twice a year, and they decided on their own to stop smoking inside the cabin so that I could be there with them. I never asked. They wanted to. I didn't elect to have headaches from smoke. They did elect to smoke.

[sparks]

I'm sure you're polite to others, I have always found you to be a nice person.

I didn't ask people not to smoke around me, I would get headaches that were terrible. My friends and I go up to a cabin twice a year, and they decided on their own to stop smoking inside the cabin so that I could be there with them. I never asked. They wanted to. I didn't elect to have headaches from smoke. They did elect to smoke.

And that sounds like a reasonable compromise! And I think the Mother in the case you cited made reasonable compromises to accommodate her daughters condition as well. So why punish her by requiring her to give up something she obviously enjoys? Especially when she seems to be doing it in a responsible manner?

[Trueblue]

It would be difficult to prove in a court of law that a childs asthma attacks were due solely to particulates clinging to someone's clothes after smoking outside. :roll

Good luck with that one! :rofl

You wouldn't have to prove that they were solely because of smoke. You'd have to show that they were either triggered at times, or that they were worsened by smoke. And the particulates are exactly the same things that cause the problem in the smoke. It's not a different substance. It's the same stuff.

[Trueblue]

And that sounds like a reasonable compromise! And I think the Mother in the case you cited made reasonable compromises to accommodate her daughters condition as well. So why punish her by requiring her to give up something she obviously enjoys? Especially when she seems to be doing it in a responsible manner?

Sparks, the kid was in the hospital for a week. Kids die from asthma. No, it's not a reasonable compromise. It was not responsible for her to smoke cigarettes. I don't care if she enjoyed it, her kid didn't enjoy being in the hospital.

My older son had asthma, and I saw an attack triggered by being around smoking aunts and uncles-who were smoking outside. My doctor suggested that they ought to be arrested as we watched my kid crying about the shot he had to take and as he struggled to breathe.

[sparks]

You wouldn't have to prove that they were solely because of smoke. You'd have to show that they were either triggered at times, or that they were worsened by smoke. And the particulates are exactly the same things that cause the problem in the smoke. It's not a different substance. It's the same stuff.

Ok...let's take this little case on, shall we? :rofl

Let's say the Mother has custody of the child and the Father only sees the child every other weekend. During that time, the Father only smokes outside.

The Mother on the other hand has the child for two week periods and of course the child is gonna have more asthma attacks while with the Mother strictly because of the ratio of time the child spends with the Mother. :shrug

The husband could come back and bring that little tidbit into court siting something in YOUR environment that was irritating the child's attacks seeing as the child had more attacks while spending time with you.

I think this type of case would come back and bite the Mother in the ass if you ask me!

[sparks]

Sparks, the kid was in the hospital for a week. Kids die from asthma. No, it's not a reasonable compromise. It was not responsible for her to smoke cigarettes. I don't care if she enjoyed it, her kid didn't enjoy being in the hospital.

My older son had asthma, and I saw an attack triggered by being around smoking aunts and uncles-who were smoking outside. My doctor suggested that they ought to be arrested as we watched my kid crying about the shot he had to take and as he struggled to breathe.


I'd say your doctor is an anti-smoking Nazi! Blaming the aunts and uncles for the childs affliction isn't the answer. I'd say the doctor hadn't been managing the disease properly and he was looking for a scape goat!

And why did you even take the child around the smoking aunts and uncles in the first place if you knew he was that sensitive to smoke? You're the parent!

[Trueblue]

That's fine with me, she should have followed the doctor's advice about asthma proofing the kids room. No curtains, no carpet, dust mite cover on the bed, wash the bedding every week in hot water, whatever it takes.

[Oceanbreeze]

That's fine with me, she should have followed the doctor's advice about asthma proofing the kids room. No curtains, no carpet, dust mite cover on the bed, wash the bedding every week in hot water, whatever it takes.

My husband's 1st cousin family had to do exactly that.

I totally agree with you. :thumbsup

[Saguaro]

Kids cannot ask that someone put out a cigarette in a car,like an adult can.This law protects children.

[sparks]

That's fine with me, she should have followed the doctor's advice about asthma proofing the kids room. No curtains, no carpet, dust mite cover on the bed, wash the bedding every week in hot water, whatever it takes.

My husband's 1st cousin family had to do exactly that.

I totally agree with you. :thumbsup

:rofl Of course these are the opinions of two asthmatics! :rofl

[sparks]

Kids cannot ask that someone put out a cigarette in a car,like an adult can.This law protects children.


This law oversteps the boundries of parental rights.

[Trueblue]

I'd say your doctor is an anti-smoking Nazi! Blaming the aunts and uncles for the childs affliction isn't the answer. I'd say the doctor hadn't been managing the disease properly and he was looking for a scape goat!

And why did you even take the child around the smoking aunts and uncles in the first place if you knew he was that sensitive to smoke? You're the parent!

Well, yeah, you'd say that about anybody. It's their fault that they get sick and can't breath and get in your way. :D

It happened that time, and then I took some action, sparks.

The doctor blamed the aunts and uncles for their affliction-an addiction to cigarettes.

You seem to be saying that if my kid were taking the right medicine, cigarettes wouldn't trigger asthma-which just isn't so-you can get an attack even with medication.

As for his looking for an "escape goat", nope, you should have seen his face, he was pissed.

[Trueblue]

:rofl Of course these are the opinions of two asthmatics! :rofl

And yours is the opinion of an addict.

[cassandra]

I'm sure you're polite to others, I have always found you to be a nice person.

I didn't ask people not to smoke around me, I would get headaches that were terrible. My friends and I go up to a cabin twice a year, and they decided on their own to stop smoking inside the cabin so that I could be there with them. I never asked. They wanted to. I didn't elect to have headaches from smoke. They did elect to smoke.


They made a choice and you allowed them that freedom. Why won't you do that for other smokers?

I am not a smoker, but I really hate laws that control people. If smoking is so freaking bad make it illegal. Until that day it is horrible to restrict their freedoms.

[Trueblue]

My husband's 1st cousin family had to do exactly that.

I totally agree with you. :thumbsup

I did, too, we did keep the curtains, and I washed them often. We got vinyl in the kids rooms instead of carpet, and we got mattress covers, and we washed the sheets, and no pets came in the house.

[Trueblue]

They made a choice and you allowed them that freedom. Why won't you do that for other smokers?

I am not a smoker, but I really hate laws that control people. If smoking is so freaking bad make it illegal. Until that day it is horrible to restrict their freedoms.

Geez, cassandra, I freaking do. What are you talking about? I am talking about a sick kid. Not about myself.

[POGO-SATAN]

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[sparks]

Well, yeah, you'd say that about anybody. It's their fault that they get sick and can't breath and get in your way. :D

It happened that time, and then I took some action, sparks.

The doctor blamed the aunts and uncles for their affliction-an addiction to cigarettes.

You seem to be saying that if my kid were taking the right medicine, cigarettes wouldn't trigger asthma-which just isn't so-you can get an attack even with medication.

As for his looking for an "escape goat", nope, you should have seen his face, he was pissed.

:rofl

Of course the doctor was pissed! A patient of his had an attack! Of course he showed concern and pointed to probable cause. However, just cause a cause is probably doesn't mean it's a 100% correct. Maybe your child was just due to have an attack. Had it ever happened like that before?

It is the child that has the affliction of asthma...it can be controlled with proper medication. :shrug

[Trueblue]

They can't make it illegal, it would backfire like prohibition.

As for until then, do it all they like, that makes no sense to me. Why do we have to let people smoke everywhere unless it's illegal?

[Trueblue]

:rofl

Of course the doctor was pissed! A patient of his had an attack! Of course he showed concern and pointed to probable cause. However, just cause a cause is probably doesn't mean it's a 100% correct. Maybe your child was just due to have an attack. Had it ever happened like that before?

It is the child that has the affliction of asthma...it can be controlled with proper medication. :shrug

He was pissed at the addicts. Mad. I saw him when they had other attacks, and funny thing, no anger.

Cigarettes can trigger attacks. You are sounding like Wabash on global warming.

Asthma cannot be perfectly controlled in some people, even with medication.

It is the adult that has the affliction of smoking...it can be controlled with proper medication... :shrug

You go take steroids for months on end and let me know if you think it's all that great, okay????

[sparks]

They can't make it illegal, it would backfire like prohibition.

As for until then, do it all they like, that makes no sense to me. Why do we have to let people smoke everywhere unless it's illegal?

Yes it would! The fact of the matter is that cigarette tax provided a whole lot of benefits to smokers and non-smokers alike! Our tax dollars at work! :yep

Without these monies the U.S. would suffer.

All you anti-smoking nazi's should be grateful to us smokers that we contribute so much to the tax coffers in this country! :rofl

[Trueblue]

Yes it would! The fact of the matter is that cigarette tax provided a whole lot of benefits to smokers and non-smokers alike! Our tax dollars at work! :yep

Without these monies the U.S. would suffer.

All you anti-smoking nazi's should be grateful to us smokers that we contribute so much to the tax coffers in this country! :rofl

But it also costs tax dollars. It's a huge burden on medicaid, for example.

[sparks]

He was pissed at the addicts. Mad. I saw him when they had other attacks, and funny thing, no anger.

Cigarettes can trigger attacks. You are sounding like Wabash on global warming.

Asthma cannot be perfectly controlled in some people, even with medication.

It is the adult that has the affliction of smoking...it can be controlled with proper medication... :shrug

You go take steroids for months on end and let me know if you think it's all that great, okay????

Of course not! He didn't have an easy target that was convenient to blame! How could he be angry? :rofl

[sparks]

But it also costs tax dollars. It's a huge burden on medicaid, for example.

So is old age. :roll

Should we kill off the seniors?

[Trueblue]

Of course not! He didn't have an easy target that was convenient to blame! How could he be angry? :rofl

Oh, yeah, that's it. He just made it all up, he couldn't possibly have seen one kid after another made sick by cigarettes.

Cigarette addiction is treatable with the use of medication.

[sparks]

Oh, yeah, that's it. He just made it all up, he couldn't possibly have seen one kid after another made sick by cigarettes.

Cigarette addiction is treatable with the use of medication.


So is asthma. Perhaps you should get a different doctor. :)

[Trueblue]

So is old age. :roll

Should we kill off the seniors?

Do you really think you're making a good point? You keep talking about what's not a choice, like being sick and getting old, and comparing it with cigarette addiction, which the person can choose to have treated and cured.

This is the reason that the states sued the tobacco companies-because their product was costing the states so much.

[Trueblue]

So is asthma. Perhaps you should get a different doctor. :)

They got treatment-have you?

[sparks]

Do you really think you're making a good point? You keep talking about what's not a choice, like being sick and getting old, and comparing it with cigarette addiction, which the person can choose to have treated and cured.

This is the reason that the states sued the tobacco companies-because their product was costing the states so much.

Absolutely! Smokers are an easy target for all sorts of people to use as a scape goat! The micky mouse legislation that's been passed against smoking infringes on the rights of not only business owners, but of parents and individuals as well.

Yeah...I take that personally! It's a sure sign that government is out of control!

[Trueblue]

Absolutely! Smokers are an easy target for all sorts of people to use as a scape goat! The micky mouse legislation that's been passed against smoking infringes on the rights of not only business owners, but of parents and individuals as well.

Yeah...I take that personally! It's a sure sign that government is out of control!

I take it as a sign that your rights stop where my lungs begin.

[kaaryn]

That same law is already on the books here in one town, and they're working on making it province-wide. I'm just not sure how enforceable it is.

[Oceanbreeze]

I take it as a sign that your rights stop where my lungs begin.

:paclap :paclap :paclap

That should be a bumber sticker. :thumbsup

[sparks]

That same law is already on the books here in one town, and they're working on making it province-wide. I'm just not sure how enforceable it is.

Exactly! So why spend time, manpower and tax dollars on stupid legislation?

I take it as a sign that your rights stop where my lungs begin.

Wrong! Whether you're a smoker or not you're still subject to the pollutants in the air whether you have a disease or not! Deal!

[Trueblue]

Exactly! So why spend time, manpower and tax dollars on stupid legislation?



Wrong! Whether you're a smoker or not you're still subject to the pollutants in the air whether you have a disease or not! Deal!

I don't find them to be as toxic as cigarette smoke, though, and neither does anybody else, I guess. That's why the laws. So you deal!!!!

[sparks]

I don't find them to be as toxic as cigarette smoke, though, and neither does anybody else, I guess. That's why the laws. So you deal!!!!

:rofl And yet again, we find ourselves agreeing to disagree on this issue! :rofl

[Trueblue]

:D

[Oceanbreeze]

:smoke:smoke:smoke:tarty Sparks :hug :hug

[POGO-SATAN]

Take a puff already! http://youtube.com/watch?v=JA3FFT54Ehs&feature=related

[Trueblue]

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[Trueblue]

Okay, then I'll take you off. Now move away. :lol

[POGO-SATAN]

Okay, then I'll take you off. Now move away. :lol


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[Trueblue]

LL is banned.



I left him on there anyway. :lol

[Saguaro]

LL is banned.

Pogo Satan.....well....:lmao

You mean L&L

[POGO-SATAN]

Ok, I'm back. I just had a veggie burger and onion rings.
Very Tasty :woot