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Saguaro
01-09-2008, 04:59 PM
A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays, finds 72% say "God, a higher or supreme being, actually exists." But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."
Indeed, 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

LifeWay Research, the research arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, based in Nashville, conducted the survey of 1,402 "unchurched" adults last spring and summer. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.


The survey defines "unchurched" as people who had not attended a religious service in a church, synagogue or mosque at any time in the past six months.

More than one in five (22%) of Americans say they never go to church, the highest ever recorded by the General Social Survey, conducted every two years by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. In 2004, the percentage was 17%.

Many of the unchurched are shaky on Christian basics, says LifeWay Research director Ed Stetzer.

Just 52% agree on the essential Christian belief that "Jesus died and came back to life."

And 61% say the God of the Bible is "no different from the gods or spiritual beings depicted by world religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.," although Buddhist philosophy has no god and Hindus worship many.

Belief in 'a generic god'

Non-churchgoers "lean to a generic god that fits into every imaginable religious system, even when (systems) contradict one another," Stetzer says. "If you went back 100 years in North America, there would have been a consensus that God is the God in the Bible. We can't assume this any longer.

"We no longer have a home-field advantage as Christians in this culture."

Most of the unchurched (86%) say they believe they can have a "good relationship with God without belonging to a church." And 79% say "Christianity today is more about organized religion than loving God and loving people."

"These outsiders are making a clear comment that churches are not getting through on the two greatest commandments," to love God and love your neighbor, says Scott McConnell, associate director of LifeWay Research. "When they look at churches … they don't see people living out the faith."

But despite respondents' critical views of organized religion, Stetzer is optimistic. He cites the finding that 78% would "be willing to listen" to someone tell "what he or she believed about Christianity."

They already know believers — 89% of the unchurched have at least one close friend who is Christian, Stetzer noted.

And 71% agreed that "believing in Jesus makes a positive difference in a person's life."

"What surprised me is the openness of the hard-core unchurched to the message of God and Christianity — just not as expressed in church," Stetzer says.

"It's a personal thing, not an institutional thing. It's a matter of starting conversations."

The direct approach

Still, most of Christian belief has seeped into popular culture outside church walls and denominational tethers, says Philip Goff, a professor and director of the Center for the Study of Religion and American Culture at Indiana University in Indianapolis.

New forms of community, such as Internet Bible study and prayer circles, also mean some people don't believe they need a church, Goff says.

"Is there a workshop for churches in being less annoying, less hypocritical?" asks Arthur Farnsley, administrator for the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion and a fellow at Goff's center.

"So much of American religion today is therapeutic in approach, focused on things you want to fix in your life," he says.

"The one-to-one approach is more attractive. People don't go to institutions to fix their problems.

"Most people have already heard the basic Christian message. The question for evangelism now is: Do you have a take that is authentic and engaging in a way that works for the unchurched?"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-01-09-unchurched-survey_N.htm?csp=1

Oceanbreeze
01-09-2008, 07:21 PM
"It's a personal thing, not an institutional thing. It's a matter of starting conversations." :paclap

MW
01-09-2008, 07:44 PM
"Is there a workshop for churches in being less annoying, less hypocritical?" asks Arthur Farnsley, administrator for the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion and a fellow at Goff's center.

And can I sign a co-worker up for it? :yep

GreenEyedLady
01-09-2008, 07:54 PM
But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."
Amen to that brother!


Most of the unchurched (86%) say they believe they can have a "good relationship with God without belonging to a church." And 79% say "Christianity today is more about organized religion than loving God and loving people."

I agree with that statement!

AYFR
01-09-2008, 08:37 PM
The problem is that a lot of Christian believe that the are somehow "better" than non-Christians and have thus turned the "church" into something it is not. Furthermore they promote that the "church" is a building, the place that they gather when in fact the Church is the actual people not the building or whatever.
Christ said
If two of you agree on earth about anything they ask
It will be done for them by my Father in heaven.
For where two or three are gathered in my name,
There am I in the midst of them.

The word church comes from the Greek word "Ecclesia" which is defined as "an assembly,” or “called out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend they usually say Baptist, Methodist, or another denomination. Many times they are referring to a denomination or a building. Read Romans 16:5: "…also greet the church that is in their house..." Paul refers to the church in their house, not a church building, but a body of believers.

Saguaro
01-09-2008, 09:06 PM
What is your point Rev ?

AYFR
01-09-2008, 09:26 PM
Nothing really expect that there are a lot of Christian hypocrites.

MW
01-09-2008, 10:04 PM
Nothing really expect that there are a lot of Christian hypocrites.

I work with one. :roll

One day we all hear how JC changed her life . . the next day she's cussing about her hubby (who she's basically castrated as a man - he's not allowed to pass gas unless she tells him exactly how he should do it) and griping about clients calling her for help (gee, that's our job??) and on it goes.

She's not started preaching to me . . and I am SO ready for when she does :devil Several of our co-workers know that I"m semi-pagan and do all that they can to keep her from finding out! :lmao I'm waiting for her to ask about my pentacle! :mw

Saguaro
01-09-2008, 10:07 PM
Uh Oh ..look out co-worker

Trueblue
01-09-2008, 10:08 PM
And can I sign a co-worker up for it? :yep

:lol

MW
01-09-2008, 10:09 PM
Uh Oh ..look out co-worker

:lol Hey, she's the one with the "light switch christianity" flips on/off to suit her situation.

At least I stay true to my beliefs! :yep

Saguaro
01-09-2008, 10:22 PM
Go get her MW