CHRISTIAN MARTYRS

[issac the dragon]

Action Update today, the Family Research Council (FRC) partially cast blame for the tragic shooting at a megachurch in Colorado yesterday on “the secular media.” In the e-mail, which was sent under the name of FRC Action President Tony Perkins, the group says it’s “hard not to draw a line between” the shooting and “hostility” by “some in the secular media toward Christians”:

It is hard not to draw a line between the hostility that is being fomented in our culture from some in the secular media toward Christians and evangelicals in particular and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday. But I will say no more for now other than that our friends at New Life Church and YWAM are in our thoughts and prayers.

9:00 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/10/frc-ties-colorado-shooting-to-secular-media/

This may be the biggest crock I have heard in five years. But the ability of right wing religious groups to claim that they are being persecuted apparently knows no bounds.

[Oceanbreeze]

Dang, talk about the blame game. Yep, it sure is loadful of manure. Isn't it one of their own?

[Kurtz]

And the beat goes on...

[Deadshot]

What's scary though is that some people actually believe what they said.

They're not calling it "A WAR on Christmas" for nothing.:santa

[kaaryn]

I wouldn't cast blame on the media. I'd cast blame on the 24-year-old who was unwilling to cope with his emotions and control his behavior. :(

[issac the dragon]

Listening to the news this AM, I heard the head of this church ask for donations to be sent to the family of the two girls who were killed.

Being naturally suspicious, I wondered why they need my money. Are they too poor to bury their daughters? I doubt it. This is nothing but an attempt to exploit a tragedy and make money for their church. And I have no doubt that the church will get the money. The family is just a conduit. No wonder the killer hated them.

[issac the dragon]

Religion attracts fanatical people who are clearly nuts. It is inevitable and I don't blame the religions for it. Politics are the same. The church apparently recognized that the man had a few screws rattling around and pushed him aside. Nothing wrong there.

It is a tragedy that he became obsessed with hatred for them, and blamed others for his own failure. I don't know of anything that can be done to avoid that kind of thing happening. There really is no way that anyone can protect themselves againsts a truly insane person.

[patriotsblade]

Listening to the news this AM, I heard the head of this church ask for donations to be sent to the family of the two girls who were killed.

Being naturally suspicious, I wondered why they need my money. Are they too poor to bury their daughters? I doubt it. This is nothing but an attempt to exploit a tragedy and make money for their church. And I have no doubt that the church will get the money. The family is just a conduit. No wonder the killer hated them.

It's a rare moment you will find me defending evangelical Christians but I would give the benefit of the doubt about donations for the families to the church, a funeral is quite expensive, two of them right together would put strain on even comfortable middle-class folk. I think in this case the church is more of conduit for good charity here rather than the other way around.

Religion attracts fanatical people who are clearly nuts. It is inevitable and I don't blame the religions for it. Politics are the same. The church apparently recognized that the man had a few screws rattling around and pushed him aside. Nothing wrong there.

It is a tragedy that he became obsessed with hatred for them, and blamed others for his own failure. I don't know of anything that can be done to avoid that kind of thing happening. There really is no way that anyone can protect themselves againsts a truly insane person.

I used to share that view with you Issac but have come around to the idea that religion can be a good thing and good things can be done in the name of religion. That being said, there is certainly alot of fanatacism out there and I suspect that it prospers in large organized congregations. I am thankful that my own belief system (it took me years to get here by the way) is far from organized and generally practiced as an individual.

[Trueblue]

What's scary though is that some people actually believe what they said.

They're not calling it "A WAR on Christmas" for nothing.:santa

Can the President ignore the USC when there's a war on Christmas????

[Kurtz]

:yep
Fanatics come in all ideologies.

Look at 'disgruntled postal employees.'

[Oceanbreeze]

:yep
Fanatics come in all ideologies.

Look at 'disgruntled postal employees.'

:paclap


PB: cremation is only around $3K.

[sparks]

:paclap


PB: cremation is only around $3K.

I didn't think it cost that much.

[Deadshot]

Yeah Creamation is cheap and easy. My wife and I are prepaid and have been since about 2000. If you can get it all locked up now, funeral - creamation. Don't leave it for your family until the last minute!

[Oceanbreeze]

I didn't think it cost that much.

My dad's May 25, 2007, simple no-frills crematon cost $3k in Charleston, SC. Don't even get me started on his CA winery celebration of life his sister had the estate (my sister and I inherited 50/50) pay for, my grandmother nor my sister or I attended. :toetap $5k for 80 people. :scream