Military Service - Then and Now

[toxic]

A Sgt (E-5) Marine that posts on another board and is stationed at Quantico, posts about 30 messages a day which is ample evidence that he does little else. One day he posted his pay record.

He joined the Marines after High School and probably made E-5 in a few years (typical).

I found it an interesting to compare to my pay as a Sgt E-5 years ago of $250 per month or $3,000 per year (There were no addition pay categories).

An on-line inflation calculator shows that my $3,000 per year pay would be worth $14,427 in 2006, but today's E-5 gets $62,000. A 430% raise!

THEN:
- A combat tour of duty was 1 year.
- During a year tour in Vietnam, I had one (1) phone call home to my family.
- While in the USA, I typically lived in a single room with 40-60 other men.
- We prepared our own food.
- We cleaned our own barracks.
- We rode in $2,000 Jeeps.

TODAY:
- A combat tour of duty can be 3 months.
- Troops enjoy daily communication with family.
- Troops have individual private rooms.
- Civilians perform all chores for food and cleaning.
- They ride in $1,000,000 air-conditioned MRAP vehicles.


I think back in the old days, serving in the military was a sacrifice. Today it is no sacrifice. I no longer feel sorry for today's troops.

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Defense Finance and Accounting Service
Kansas City Site
Kansas City, Missouri 64197-0001

EXTRACT DATE: 2007-09-21
SUBJECT: PERSONAL STATEMENT OF MILITARY COMPENSATION DSSN: 6105
NAME: XXXXX XXXXX Removed
RANK: SGT

SUMMARY:
ANNUAL DIRECT COMPENSATION: $51,070.32
EXPENSE ALLOWANCES: $392.40
INDIRECT COMPENSATION: $10,259.29
SUBTOTAL: $61,722.01


DIRECT COMPENSATION
A. MILITARY PAY MONTHLY RATE ANNUAL RATE
BASIC PAY: $2,323.80 $27,885.60
BAH OR HOUSING VALUED AT BAH RATE: $1,326.00 $15,912.00
BAS OR MEALS VALUED AT BAS RATE: $279.88 $3,358.56
FEDERAL TAX ADVANTAGE: SINGLE 1 EXEMPT $326.18 $3,914.16

B. INCENTIVE AND SPECIAL PAY
TOTAL INCENTIVE AND SPECIAL PAY: $0.00 $0.00
TOTAL DIRECT COMPENSATION (A + B) $4,255.86 $51,070.32

EXPENSE ALLOWANCES
TOTAL EXPENSE ALLOWANCES $32.70 $392.40

INDIRECT COMPENSATION

A. RETIREMENT MONTHLY RATE ANNUAL RATE
7% X $2,323.80 (BASIC PAY) $162.67 $1,952.04

B. MEDICAL CARE
12 PAY PERIODS TIMES $120 OR $244 $475.00 $5,700.00

C. DEATH AND SURVIVOR PROGRAMS
1.7% X $2,323.80 (BASIC PAY) $39.50 $474.00

D. FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT (FICA)
SOCIAL SECURITY (6.2%) X $2,323.80 (BASIC PAY) $144.08 $1,728.91
MEDICARE (1.45%) X $2,323.80 (BASIC PAY) $33.70 $404.34
INDIRECT COMPENSATION (A+B+C+D) $854.95 $10,259.29

[Oceanbreeze]

Toxic you disgust to me to the core.

THEN:
- A combat tour of duty was 1 year.
- During a year tour in Vietnam, I had one (1) phone call home to my family.
- While in the USA, I typically lived in a single room with 40-60 other men.
- We prepared our own food.
- We cleaned our own barracks.
- We rode in $2,000 Jeeps.

TODAY:
- A combat tour of duty can be 3 months.
it's now 12-18 months.
- Troops enjoy daily communication with family.
if they have access to a phone or internet.
- Troops have individual private rooms.
Only officers do.
- Civilians perform all chores for food and cleaning.
DUFUS. It's called a MESS HALL.-
They ride in $1,000,000 air-conditioned MRAP vehicles.
yeah, and their families had to send them protective gear to ride it.



WHAT FLIPPING PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON??

[toxic]

Toxic you disgust to me to the core.

THEN:
- A combat tour of duty was 1 year.
- During a year tour in Vietnam, I had one (1) phone call home to my family.
- While in the USA, I typically lived in a single room with 40-60 other men.
- We prepared our own food.
- We cleaned our own barracks.
- We rode in $2,000 Jeeps.

TODAY:
- A combat tour of duty can be 3 months.
it's now 12-18 months.
- Troops enjoy daily communication with family.
if they have access to a phone or internet.
- Troops have individual private rooms.
Only officers do.
- Civilians perform all chores for food and cleaning.
DUFUS. It's called a MESS HALL.-
They ride in $1,000,000 air-conditioned MRAP vehicles.
yeah, and their families had to send them protective gear to ride it.


WHAT FLIPPING PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON??

This isn't directed at you, it's just the truth.

But we can add typical 1,000 troops per month dead to my list.

Then take that pay cut to $15,000 per year. Can you feel the sacrifice yet?

That's why people used to consider military service a sacrifice. The word sacrifice just apply anymore. People would buy a GI a drink because a couple bucks was a lot to them.

Everyone I've shown Smitty's pay check have said, "screw'm". Now all I'm concerned about is the $400,000 per year that it takes to pamper them with high pay, a chef, cleaning crews, air conditioing, worldwide comm, laptops and impervious vehicles.

So ... I guess the botton line is the Republicans and Rush Limbaugh were right ... they volunteered ... they are safe ... .

[patriotsblade]

Toxic...........WTF are you smoking? I left the Army as an E6 in 2000 and my pay was no where near that. My brother just finished a 12 month tour in Iraq. He's an E5, his pay is no where near that. He had very little access to telephones and internet while in Iraq. Living arrangements are typically 4-6 to room. NO ONE IS CLEANING YOUR BARRACKS. To say so is just insane.

[patriotsblade]

Next I'd like to address the information you posted from this mystery Marine.

That financial info looks NOTHING like any LES I have ever seen. How about you Oceanbreeze?

[patriotsblade]

Oh yeah, and the "It's not a sacrifice anymore." Tell that to these folks and their families.

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

[AYFR]

He is talking about Smitty, I remember him from AWE, claims to be a soldier, but it is really hard forums to prove that.

[toxic]

Toxic...........WTF are you smoking? I left the Army as an E6 in 2000 and my pay was no where near that. My brother just finished a 12 month tour in Iraq. He's an E5, his pay is no where near that. He had very little access to telephones and internet while in Iraq. Living arrangements are typically 4-6 to room. NO ONE IS CLEANING YOUR BARRACKS. To say so is just insane.

Hey brother, you want to talk about phones calls? It took me 4 hours to get to the San Francisco operator. I think it was 2:00 AM my time when I got through. I got on the goddamn phone to my family for a few minutes and the fucking perimeter cranked up about 30 yards from me. A guy burst in yelling. The last couple minutes of the phone call was spent/wasted trying to discount the sounds of M-60 and mortor that my family was hearing.

Here is a pic of my room accomodations, before I was platoon leader. If you extended your arm over the bed, your hand was in your buddies face/feet.

http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=353&stc=1&d=1196263791


Next I'd like to address the information you posted from this mystery Marine.

That financial info looks NOTHING like any LES I have ever seen. How about you Oceanbreeze?

The base pay, BAS and BAH all are exactly as the Office of Sec of Defense website says. The final total varies about $1,000, probably in the tax advantage thing.

http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/pay/calc/index.html

He is an E-5, 6 years (seniority is Communistic), 2 dependents, is in Quantico, VA.

I presume the data I posted is probably "MyPay" from:

http://militarypayonline.com/

[patriotsblade]

Wow Toxic. Thanks for the flashback. That pic looks just like our BT barracks at Ft. Sill in 1991.

[toxic]

Wow Toxic. Thanks for the flashback. That pic looks just like our BT barracks at Ft. Sill in 1991.

Ah, I thought I should have mentioned that there was a mirror image of 20 more bunks not shown in the picture for the uninitiated. Also as a transient, they often had 60 bunks per floor. There was about 12 inches between them. It would have been nice if it were co-ed.

It makes sense that they would give troops a flavor of the old days in Basic Training. All night long people were jerking their pud, having bad dreams, snoring, etc. About every 30 minutes someone would come "home" drunk and slam their locker doors. Eventually you got used to it or kicked enough ass so that people were more considerate.

You really learn a lot about people when you live like that.

[Oceanbreeze]

Next I'd like to address the information you posted from this mystery Marine.

That financial info looks NOTHING like any LES I have ever seen. How about you Oceanbreeze?

PB: it's nice to agree on something. :hippy

Toxic; You're insane.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/2006militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates.html

[toxic]

PB: it's nice to agree on something. :hippy

Toxic; You're insane.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/2006militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates.html

http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/2006militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates/1971.pdf

You are right, but I'm hardly insane. I was off $50/month.

An E-1 was making $134.40/month or $1,612.80/year. Ouch.

An E-5 was making $297.30/month or $3,567.60/year.

$3,567.60/year inflation adjusted to 2006 is $17,894/year. So Smitty is making 346% more than an E-5 back then.

Please revise my challange to the larger number of $17,894/year.

[Oceanbreeze]

http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/2006militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates/1971.pdf

You are right, but I'm hardly insane. I was off $50/month.

An E-1 was making $134.40/month or $1,612.80/year. Ouch.

An E-5 was making $297.30/month or $3,567.60/year.

$3,567.60/year inflation adjusted to 2006 is $17,894/year. So Smitty is making 346% more than an E-5 back then.

Please revise my challange to the larger number of $17,894/year.

Learn to read the charts, WRONG.

1971- E5 with 6 years; BASIC ALLOWANCE $470.40
$5644.80 a year BEFORE TAXES.

2006-E5 with 6 years; $2273.70
$27,276 BEFORE TAXES.

http://www.aier.org/research/col.php

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
1971's $5644=
2007 :$$28,670.01

http://www.aier.org/research/col.php :ringo

[toxic]

Learn to read the charts, WRONG.
...

Well find a chart worth reading.

Your chart says an E-5 over 6 yrs ... makes about 1/2 of the Sec of Def pay chart says, which matched Smitty's claims.

I scrolled down for some special pays. WTF is Drill pay? Is that what Smitty gets each day for cruising the internet? Or is it just for showing up?

$96/month clothing allowance for men (women is more)!!!!!!!!!!!! [Good God, what happened to equality of the sexes.]
Does Armani make the uniforms now?

Also, what about that Communism of increasing bay based on seniority? I see an E-7 can double his pay over his carreer by just surviving, but never improving to E-8.

Communism Communism Communism

[Oceanbreeze]

Well find a chart worth reading.

Your chart says an E-5 over 6 yrs ... makes about 1/2 of the Sec of Def pay chart says, which matched Smitty's claims.

I scrolled down for some special pays. WTF is Drill pay? Is that what Smitty gets each day for cruising the internet? Or is it just for showing up?

$96/month clothing allowance for men (women is more)!!!!!!!!!!!! [Good God, what happened to equality of the sexes.]
Does Armani make the uniforms now?

Also, what about that Communism of increasing bay based on seniority? I see an E-7 can double his pay over his carreer by just surviving, but never improving to E-8.

Communism Communism Communism

My 4th grader can read those charts. :lmao

Drill pay? NOW I know you were never in the military. :lmao Drill Sergeant pay. You know the men/women who work 21 hours a day? Let's try something a little more complicated like Jump pay or hazardeous duty pay. Ohhhh...that would be....you figure it out. :lmao

Clothing allowance is only allowed for the enlisted, officers don't get clothing allowance.

Communism? By working your way up the ladder to earn more money? :lmao Everyone starts off as the same enlisted or officer rank. :lmao

:LoneLaugher:LoneLaugher:LoneLaugher:LoneLaugher

[toxic]

My 4th grader can read those charts. :lmao

Drill pay? NOW I know you were never in the military. :lmao Drill Sergeant pay. You know the men/women who work 21 hours a day? Let's try something a little more complicated like Jump pay or hazardeous duty pay. Ohhhh...that would be....you figure it out. :lmao

Clothing allowance is only allowed for the enlisted, officers don't get clothing allowance.

Communism? By working your way up the ladder to earn more money? :lmao Everyone starts off as the same enlisted or officer rank. :lmao


Well my point was, THE CHARTS AREN"T CORRECT.

Drill pay is not Drill Sgt pay and none spend 21 hours per day working. Quit listening to those BS stories. Everyone spends 8 hours a day now cruising the internet.

I became familar with Jump Pay when with 101st Airborne.

I became familar with Hazardous Duty Pay in Vietnam.

And for clothing allowance, we are discussing enlisted pay now, not officer pay.

[Oceanbreeze]

Well my point was, THE CHARTS AREN"T CORRECT.

Drill pay is not Drill Sgt pay and none spend 21 hours per day working. Quit listening to those BS stories. Everyone spends 8 hours a day now cruising the internet.

I became familar with Jump Pay when with 101st Airborne.

I became familar with Hazardous Duty Pay in Vietnam.

And for clothing allowance, we are discussing enlisted pay now, not officer pay.

Ummm....yeah....I could scan my husband's LES and prove to you those pay charts are accurate.

Obviousy, you never went through basic training, otherwise you would know how long the hours are.

Yes, enlisted get a clothing allowance. As they should because they aren't paid enough to pay for all their combat gear. Yes, they are issued gear,but I can't begin to even fathom how much we spent on neccessities for him to go to Iraq.

[Deadshot]

Guys, I proved this, beyond any doubt on the "other" board, Smitty's not in the military.

Last year he said he was home on leave, uninjured and was home, over the holidays, for over 10 weeks!!!! 10 weeks of leave!

Then go back, and God do I love the anal quality of the Internet sometimes, and check the days and times of his post. All hours of the day and night, several days in a row. I was in the military, while stationed in Iraq one does not have that kind of access to the internet. Smitty claimed to be serving in Iraq.

So if you two want to argue pay and benefits, fine. But try to remember that right now our troops are paid less then civilian contractors and, as has been shown on multiple news sites, there benefits after leaving the service or even while in the service aren't that great.

No self respecting military personnel is going to brag about being able to post consistently AND currently serving on post or "in country". To do so would be admitting that you were doing nothing on your post!

[Oceanbreeze]

Deadshot; good points and I agree.

Thing is Toxic and friends say that military members and their families are welfare recipients. That's my beef.

[Deadshot]

Some probably are. Some probably don't make enough and if you're a PFC or SFC with a wife and two kids, you probably DO NOT make enough and qualify for aide from the Government. BTW, Welfare is mostly (95% or better) for single mothers with kids.

So of course the military could have people in it who could apply for food stamps and the like.

But ANYONE who's ever served knows that the jobs on the outside world pay better and have better benefits...UNLESS your an officer, then a argument could be made that as "management" you are treaty on a fairly equal basis with your civilian counterpart.

I know my first few weeks onboard the Ike I worked 12 hours, slept about 6 and was bored out of my gourd for 4. Hell I remember hanging out at my job station just for something to do!

[toxic]

Ummm....yeah....I could scan my husband's LES and prove to you those pay charts are accurate.

Obviousy, you never went through basic training, otherwise you would know how long the hours are.

Yes, enlisted get a clothing allowance. As they should because they aren't paid enough to pay for all their combat gear. Yes, they are issued gear,but I can't begin to even fathom how much we spent on neccessities for him to go to Iraq.

Of course I have been through BCT and of course you haven't. You have just sat around listening to BS from a bunch of morons.

Well I'm sure the list of necessities has grown from the days when everything we owned fit in a duffle bag. I'm sure it takes a cargo container to ship all the entertainment crap these pampered pussys need to sit on their ass and do nothing.

Stop by at the Motley Fool sometime. Geez, it's just terrible in Iraq. First they have to do Police Call, then they ask for everyone to have a PowerPoint Presentation ready by after lunch. God, I broke my fingernail, I'll have to be evac'd.

[Deadshot]

Toxic, obviously you've been taking Smitty as the core example for the Corp. He is not.

Are things easier in 2007 then in 1967, my God I hope so. But please stop being an old codger will you?

I'm sorry you didn't have A/C in Vietnam. I'm sorry you didn't have decent rec centers and access to e-mail and phone service to speak with your loved ones. I'm sorry all you owned was in a duffel bag.

But it's the 21st century and we want to give the best to our men and women serving our countries. Do some of them have easy bullshit jobs? Of course they do. But every era of the military, including the Vietnam, Korea and WWII had people in uniform having "pussy" jobs.

For those who haven't served please take a look at the following offerings from Hollywood.

WWII Saving Private Ryan After storming the beach what does Tom Hanks walk into? A Company CP with typist and hot food and guys doing logistical work. "pussy jobs"

Kelly's Heroes Don Rickles plays a supply Sgt doing nothing but keeping up an empire of graft. Eastwood's and Savalas' squad is led by a Lt. who is good for nothing.

Band of Brothers What happens to Capt. Sobel the 101st original trainer? Was he presented as competant? How 'bout the CO the boys got as they began the push from Bastiogne?

KOREA M*A*S*H Check both the movie and t.v. series. I know that they're comedies, but people do do those jobs like Radar, who was simply a company clerk.

Vietnam Full Metal Jacket What was Joker's job? A combat reporter! Talk about your pussy job!

C'mon toxic, there are pussy jobs and bullshit jobs everywhere, that doesn't mean you paint the service with the brush that Smitty handed you.

Show some respect and compassion! :deadshot

[toxic]

Guys, I proved this, beyond any doubt on the "other" board, Smitty's not in the military.

Last year he said he was home on leave, uninjured and was home, over the holidays, for over 10 weeks!!!! 10 weeks of leave!

That proves nothing. I have been wincing for years as I listen to troop whining about having to be away from their family for 3 months on a tour. BFD.

People say they have been on 4-5 tours. Bullshit, those 4-5 may only add up to one year.

Plus, only 14% of the marine Corp is deployed to Iraq. All others are REMF'ing their way to retirement.

Then go back, and God do I love the anal quality of the Internet sometimes, and check the days and times of his post. All hours of the day and night, several days in a row. I was in the military, while stationed in Iraq one does not have that kind of access to the internet. Smitty claimed to be serving in Iraq.

I think he is in. He has also called in to a guy's internet radio show and gave his name, rank, unit, location, etc. I haven't heard much from him since. someone probably called the Base Commander and asked him WTF.

Also, I have heard from lots of guys that seem to do nothing but sit at a laptop in Iraq. Smitty fits the bill.

So if you two want to argue pay and benefits, fine. But try to remember that right now our troops are paid less then civilian contractors and, as has been shown on multiple news sites, there benefits after leaving the service or even while in the service aren't that great. ...

Well, I think the President may be paid less than some of the civilian contractors. As far as I can see, neither the civilians nor the military are worth more than minimum wage, plus room and board.

Plus, the assholes want to be there, even if they aren't doing any good.

[Oceanbreeze]

Of course I have been through BCT and of course you haven't. You have just sat around listening to BS from a bunch of morons.

Well I'm sure the list of necessities has grown from the days when everything we owned fit in a duffle bag. I'm sure it takes a cargo container to ship all the entertainment crap these pampered pussys need to sit on their ass and do nothing.

Stop by at the Motley Fool sometime. Geez, it's just terrible in Iraq. First they have to do Police Call, then they ask for everyone to have a PowerPoint Presentation ready by after lunch. God, I broke my fingernail, I'll have to be evac'd.

I live on a military installation. Generals are now morons? Wonderful, Toxic.

[Deadshot]

Toxic you have some issues with the military. I'm sorry they don't live up to your expectations.

But I will not put down those brave men and women just because a few fuck around at work.

I'm a Liberal, Democrat and a veteran and those men and women are brave, hard working and risk their lives for us. I will not paint them with the wide brush that includes the deadbeats and idiots that exist in every organization, neither should you.

[toxic]

Toxic, obviously you've been taking Smitty as the core example for the Corp. He is not.

Are things easier in 2007 then in 1967, my God I hope so. But please stop being an old codger will you?

I'm sorry you didn't have A/C in Vietnam. I'm sorry you didn't have decent rec centers and access to e-mail and phone service to speak with your loved ones. I'm sorry all you owned was in a duffel bag.

But it's the 21st century and we want to give the best to our men and women serving our countries. Do some of them have easy bullshit jobs? Of course they do. But every era of the military, including the Vietnam, Korea and WWII had people in uniform having "pussy" jobs.

For those who haven't served please take a look at the following offerings from Hollywood. ... (movies) ...

C'mon toxic, there are pussy jobs and bullshit jobs everywhere, that doesn't mean you paint the service with the brush that Smitty handed you.

Show some respect and compassion! :deadshot

I know the miltary. I know what Smitty is. I was born at Camp Pentleton, grew up in the Navy, served in the Army (with Marines at times), and have been a DoD contractor most of my career.

I have seen several generations of military crap.

I didn't mind living out of a duffle bag, because I expected to sacrifice. For that same reason, I'm surprised that the present military think they are suppose to have a Gold Plated experience.

I don't want to make a military (or any government) career one that people want to have. For most, it should be a temporary job for a few years when the country needs them.

It's to experienced and then left behind. I'm afraid that all the Yellow ribbons have spoiled the little kids into thinking they are doing something right, when this is a bigger clusterfuck thatn Vietnam.

[Oceanbreeze]

I know the miltary. I know what Smitty is. I was born at Camp Pentleton, grew up in the Navy, served in the Army (with Marines at times), and have been a DoD contractor most of my career.

I have seen several generations of military crap.

I didn't mind living out of a duffle bag, because I expected to sacrifice. For that same reason, I'm surprised that the present military think they are suppose to have a Gold Plated experience.

I don't want to make a military (or any government) career one that people want to have. For most, it should be a temporary job for a few years when the country needs them.

It's to experienced and then left behind. I'm afraid that all the Yellow ribbons have spoiled the little kids into thinking they are doing something right, when this is a bigger clusterfuck thatn Vietnam.

Toxic; If you dispise the military, why do you want them home? Really, why? Who would have to blame the world's woes on once they are home and Bush is out of office?

If you're a DoD contractor, you're married to the gov't. Shame on you for biting the hand that feeds you.

[toxic]

Toxic you have some issues with the military. I'm sorry they don't live up to your expectations.

But I will not put down those brave men and women just because a few fuck around at work.

I'm a Liberal, Democrat and a veteran and those men and women are brave, hard working and risk their lives for us. I will not paint them with the wide brush that includes the deadbeats and idiots that exist in every organization, neither should you.

And I guess by putting forth that argument, you assure yourself and readers that YOU were brave, hard working and risking your life? I get the message. I have heard it from every veteran trying to soak up some praise.

Let's cut through the crap.

Getting your gig-line straight isn't hard work. Living conditions were ONCE hard, but we have proven that is NO LONGER the case.

So what does that leave when you have a handful of casualties out of 164,000 troops per week? If they want the war to continue, then they want to risk their lives, given the miniscule probability of becoming a causality.

If they want to fight a war against people that do not threaten the USA, then they can do it on their own dime. Leave them there if they want to stay, but STOP SPENDING $400,000 per year on each troop to make them cosey. If you don't agree with that, then you don't pay taxes.

[Oceanbreeze]

And I guess by putting forth that argument, you assure yourself and readers that YOU were brave, hard working and risking your life? I get the message. I have heard it from every veteran trying to soak up some praise.

Let's cut through the crap.

Getting your gig-line straight isn't hard work. Living conditions were ONCE hard, but we have proven that is NO LONGER the case.

So what does that leave when you have a handful of casualties out of 164,000 troops per week? If they want the war to continue, then they want to risk their lives, given the miniscule probability of becoming a causality.

If they want to fight a war against people that do not threaten the USA, then they can do it on their own dime. Leave them there if they want to stay, but STOP SPENDING $400,000 per year on each troop to make them cosey. If you don't agree with that, then you don't pay taxes.

What is your real issue, Toxic? You're starting to sound just like Cookie.

A. Military members are welfare recipient.
B. Military members have it too cushy.
C. Military is eating your tax dollars.

[toxic]

Toxic; If you dispise the military, why do you want them home? Really, why? Who would have to blame the world's woes on once they are home and Bush is out of office?.

I don't care if they come home. They can stay and fight on their own dime if they want. I know 2 guys that went AWOL and stayed behind with their wives in Vietnam from my unit.

I just don't want to foot the bill of $400,000 per moron, so s/he can sit at a laptop and tell me they are hard working and brave.

If you're a DoD contractor, you're married to the gov't. Shame on you for biting the hand that feeds you.

You have just shown that you have no sense of right/wrong, but just support war to guarantee your husbands career.

I think the TOS prevents me from telling you how little I respect you.

[toxic]

What is your real issue, Toxic? You're starting to sound just like Cookie.

A. Military members are welfare recipient.
B. Military members have it too cushy.
C. Military is eating your tax dollars.

All those 3, plus they are lazy worthless crap that couldn't get a job anywhere else.

[Oceanbreeze]

I don't care if they come home. They can stay and fight on their own dime if they want. I know 2 guys that went AWOL and stayed behind with their wives in Vietnam from my unit.

I just don't want to foot the bill of $400,000 per moron, so s/he can sit at a laptop and tell me they are hard working and brave.



You have just shown that you have no sense of right/wrong, but just support war to guarantee your husbands career.

I think the TOS prevents me from telling you how little I respect you.

Go ahead, right back at ya, ten fold. You're a DoD contractor;
http://www.dtic.mil/ird/program/

[Oceanbreeze]

All those 3, plus they are lazy worthless crap that couldn't get a job anywhere else.

YOU wouldn't have a job as a Dod contractor if that were true, same with Cookie, who had a gov't job.