Student Group Wants More Guns on Campus

[Wabash]

Nov 21, 4:59 AM (ET)

By MICHELLE ROBERTS

SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) - Mike Guzman and thousands of other students say the best way to prevent campus bloodshed is more guns.

Guzman, an economics major at Texas State University-San Marcos, is among 8,000 students nationwide who have joined the nonpartisan Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, arguing that students and faculty already licensed to carry concealed weapons should be allowed to pack heat along with their textbooks.

"It's the basic right of self defense," said Guzman, a 23-year-old former Marine. "Here on campus, we don't have that right, that right of self defense."

Every state but Illinois and Wisconsin allows residents some form of concealed handgun carrying rights, with 36 states issuing permits to most everyone who meets licensing criteria. The precise standards vary from state to state, but most require an applicant to be at least 21 and to complete formal instruction on use of force.

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Many states forbid license-holders from carrying weapons on school campuses, while in states where the decision is left to the universities, schools almost always prohibit it. Utah is the only state that expressly allows students to carry concealed weapons on campus.

College campuses are different from other public places where concealed weapons are allowed. Thousands of young adults are living in close quarters, facing heavy academic and social pressure - including experimenting with drugs and alcohol - in their first years away from home.

W. Gerald Massengill, the chairman of the independent panel that investigated the Virginia Tech shootings, said those concerns outweigh the argument that gun-carrying students could have reduced the number of fatalities inflicted by someone like Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho.

"I'm a strong supporter of the Second Amendment," said Massengill, a former head of the Virginia state police. "But our society has changed, and there are some environments where common sense tells us that it's just not a good idea to have guns available."

His view is echoed by Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who says campus safety concerns cannot be addressed by adding more guns to campuses.

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"If there's more we need to do, we certainly need to do that, but introducing random access to firearms is not the solution," said Hamm. "You have more victims, not fewer victims."

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus gathered momentum after the April killings at Virginia Tech, where the gunman shot 32 people dead before killing himself.

With the help of the social networking Web site Facebook, the group mushroomed and organized its first nationwide protest in October. The group says it is not affiliated with the National Rifle Association, a political party or any other organization.

Like the students at TSU-San Marcos who were pushing Monday for a student government resolution on the issue, students at more than 110 colleges and universities went to class wearing empty holsters, said Scott Lewis, the national group's spokesman.

"We're not proposing to arm every student. We're not proposing that every freshmen get a handbook and a Glock," he said.

But he said students who are licensed to carry concealed firearms to movie theaters, public parks and other places should be allowed to take them on campus as well.

Candace Soya, a 20-year-old student at TSU-San Marcos, said she fears chaotic shootouts. If someone decided to open fire on the tree-lined quad in the middle of her campus, armed students would likely make matters worse, she said.

"It's not a situation where you can fight fire with fire," Soya said.

But advocates pushing for the campus concealed carry right say it's not just incidents like the one at Virginia Tech that create concern.

Campuses in higher-crime urban neighborhoods also pose risks for students, said Michael Flitcraft, a 23-year-old mechanical engineering student at the University of Cincinnati.

He argues, like most gun rights advocates, that weapons-free regulations only deter law-abiding students, not thugs or mentally ill shooters.

"Laws only affect the people who voluntarily abide by them," Flitcraft said.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071121/D8T2040G0.html

[Trueblue]

It's a recipe for more Virginia Techs.

[Wabash]

It's a recipe for more Virginia Techs.

No...it's a receipe for stopping more VA Techs!

"It's the basic right of self defense," said Guzman, a 23-year-old former Marine. "Here on campus, we don't have that right, that right of self defense."

He is correct...Campus Police can't do shit...most police can't do shit...they are the "clean up squad!"

[Wabash]

30 kids shot and killed at VA Tech...Campus Police were too little, too late!
Get a gun, protect yourself!

[Trueblue]

I just disagree, I think it's a way to get caught in the crossfire.

[VRWC]

Wabash, I gotta disagree with ya here. More guns on campus WILL create more suicides and homicides. If I would have been able to pack on campus, I would have either shot myself or my proffesors. There is only so much liberal bullshit one can take!













But really, I would tend to agree that more guns would deter more V Techs.

[Wabash]

Wabash, I gotta disagree with ya here. More guns on campus WILL create more suicides and homicides. If I would have been able to pack on campus, I would have either shot myself or my proffesors. There is only so much liberal bullshit one can take!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I never had any of those problems in school! Well there was this one black, Poly Sci teacher in college who was all pro MLK and a total pain in the ass person of color! That's me, being on my best behavior with comment!!











But really, I would tend to agree that more guns would deter more V Techs.
Sure it would...if you can't protect yourself, you will be a victim...simple logic and proved right at VAT!

[Wabash]

I just disagree, I think it's a way to get caught in the crossfire.

First TB......you have to know what the hell you are talking about! You are OUT of your league on this!

[Wabash]

TB agrees with me for once...:hotdog

[Trueblue]

Wabash, I gotta disagree with ya here. More guns on campus WILL create more suicides and homicides. If I would have been able to pack on campus, I would have either shot myself or my proffesors. There is only so much liberal bullshit one can take!













But really, I would tend to agree that more guns would deter more V Techs.

Where did you go to school, and what did you study? I found my profs to be a mix of conservatives and liberals and moderates. And all of them played devil's advocate to stimulate discussion.

[Oceanbreeze]

Where did you go to school, and what did you study? I found my profs to be a mix of conservatives and liberals and moderates. And all of them played devil's advocate to stimulate discussion.

Agreed.
Wabash; let's leave the OK Corral in the past. College student-high stress-complicated relationships-booze-don't mix.

[Wabash]

Agreed.
Wabash; let's leave the OK Corral in the past. College student-high stress-complicated relationships-booze-don't mix.


OK Corral? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hardly! That is sooooooo far off the mark as to be termed silly!

I agree with part of that, but some students, do not partake in the booze, and broads thing and are not stressed out..
Seems to me that young girls have more stress do to more imagined problems! Thus, this silly need to write in a journal or a diary! My thoughts, hopes and aspirations for my life were in my brain where they belonged, not written on a piece of paper or on a computer space.
I didn't have to talk shit out or share if I chose not to...
Women are from Venus and men are from Mars, seems to be pretty accurate!

[Oceanbreeze]

OK Corral? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hardly! That is sooooooo far off the mark as to be termed silly!

I agree with part of that, but some students, do not partake in the booze, and broads thing and are not stressed out..
Seems to me that young girls have more stress do to more imagined problems! Thus, this silly need to write in a journal or a diary! My thoughts, hopes and aspirations for my life were in my brain where they belonged, not written on a piece of paper or on a computer space.
I didn't have to talk shit out or share if I chose not to...
Women are from Venus and men are from Mars, seems to be pretty accurate!

I wouldn't have "packed" in college nor would anyone I hung out with. It's a bad idea, all around.

[toxic]

Sure it would...if you can't protect yourself, you will be a victim...simple logic and proved right at VAT!

On average, a person has a single violent incident in their adult life. That includes things like assault, battery, robbery, mugging, rape, attempted murder, murder, etc.

A rational person needs to seriously consider if they NEED to devote their entire life to the prevention of that single incident. To do so is irrational.

Also, no matter how much effort one puts into the exercise, it does not assure that the incident will be prevented.

It is best to consider it a hobby of several, rather than a mission. Those who overly anticipate such an event, will probably instigate the problem.

In 250 years in America, how many kids have been shot down at school. Your child has a similar chance of becoming President or Vice President than of getting shot. Don't worry about what isn't going to happen.

[Wabash]

When I was in high schrool and college, I had a mix, depending on what course I took....the English, Poly Sci, and journalism teachers, were way off libs! Never liked any of them.
I majored in Police Science and Law Enforcment Adm. and minored in Psychology. The Psych. folks were out there and extremely opinionated, the rest were all Conservative.

Of course, most of the LE classes were cops, X cops, Prosecutors or Judges...pretty much progun. The rest were like most today...liberal to the max and quake at the thought of a gun on campus, or even as the topic of discussion. I always thought an enlightened and educated person should applaud all topics being discussed...not libs and guns thou...that was fodder for anxiety and sheer terror! Pretty silly people these academics.

Once, back around '68, I actually brought one of my guns into a College Speech Class, unloaded and in three pieces(it was a western style with a removable cylinder).

I brought it in a plain paper bag and proceeded to do a short intro before taking it out of the bag, to ease the minds of any of those libs who just lose it at the mere mention of a gun. In those days, I was petrified at the prospect of talking in front of a group and chose the gun, because that's what I knew a lot about and was comfortable with it.
I explained the whole process and at the same time reassemled it to show how it functioned. It wasn't a terriffic presentation, but I was surprised to find how well it was received by many, including the teacher.
Originality was the key word in most of my reviews, a few were incensed, but not as many as i expected....
Can you imagine doing that sort of thing today? With all the Liberal hysteria out there...

[Wabash]

I wouldn't have "packed" in college nor would anyone I hung out with. It's a bad idea, all around.

I didn't either, at first...libs and blacks were just getting started in Berserkley and that was several miles away and we didn't have to worry at our predominately white campus. Until, one day, a group of black hoodlums from East Palo Alto, instigated by a group of Black Panthers from Oakland, came on to our campus with evil on their minds. Some had guns and fired a shot or two in no particualr direction. Others had metal pipes and broke out 50 or 60 windows in buildings and individual classrooms and beat a couple of teachers and students who tried to resist. Of course, they had only their bare hands and had to go to the hospital. The campus became a fortress for the entire week. Massive police presence via mutual aide.
I never went to school w/o a gun from than on!

On average, a person has a single violent incident in their adult life. That includes things like assault, battery, robbery, mugging, rape, attempted murder, murder, etc.

A rational person needs to seriously consider if they NEED to devote their entire life to the prevention of that single incident. To do so is irrational.

Also, no matter how much effort one puts into the exercise, it does not assure that the incident will be prevented.

It is best to consider it a hobby of several, rather than a mission. Those who overly anticipate such an event, will probably instigate the problem.

In 250 years in America, how many kids have been shot down at school. Your child has a similar chance of becoming President or Vice President than of getting shot. Don't worry about what isn't going to happen.

Tell your on avg. stats to the 30 victims at VA Tech. O Wait! Most of them are dead, you won't be able to. Same for all the kids in the Amish school, at Columbine and elsewhere!
How many in 250 years? A LOT more than needed to be and the count seems to go up every year!

The highlighted portion above in your post.....sounds good, but is NOT reality! That's Classic Anti Gun Liberal speak!

[Wabash]

Let's be Clear.........the majority(high 90 percentile) of folks that apply and qualify for a concealed weapons permit are checked out for criminal behavior and or mental illness very thoroughly and most have to take a class, discussing the laws and tactics and how you should behave.
Some fall through the cracks, as did the guy in Va., but not many. btw, he didn't have a permit.
For the most part, these folks are law abiding, good citizens that have no ambition to be a John Wayne. They just want to be safe and defend themselves if the need arise. Speaking of that...on page 6 of the American Rifleman publication from NRA, each and every month, they have about a dozen incidents whereby a citizen has had to defend themselves in the USA with his or her firearm.
Sure, you may never in your life come upon a situation where your life is in jeopardy, but if you are one of those with that sort of misfortune, you may be very grateful that you had a little help. That may be the difference between you being a statistic or a victim!

Think of having a gun with you as if you would your jack and spare tire of your car....you may never have to use it, but it's sure is nice to have if you do!

In summation...a law abiding citizen will not use his/her gun for the most part, but criminals can access and will use them when needed!

[Lone Laugher]

Gee Wabby....can you contradict yourself some more in your next post? Also, is it possible for you to throw in some more stereotypes about women...they are so entertaining.

Finally, can you tell us more about how you don't have a need to write down stuff about yourself. That's the best.

[Wabash]

Gee Wabby....can you contradict yourself some more in your next post? Also, is it possible for you to throw in some more stereotypes about women...they are so entertaining.

Finally, can you tell us more about how you don't have a need to write down stuff about yourself. That's the best.

Contradict? Stereotypes? Elaborate...I see none here...

[Lone Laugher]

Of course you don't. You are BLIND.

[Wabash]

Of course you don't. You are BLIND.

No, I am truthful...

[Trueblue]

On average, a person has a single violent incident in their adult life. That includes things like assault, battery, robbery, mugging, rape, attempted murder, murder, etc.

A rational person needs to seriously consider if they NEED to devote their entire life to the prevention of that single incident. To do so is irrational.

Also, no matter how much effort one puts into the exercise, it does not assure that the incident will be prevented.

It is best to consider it a hobby of several, rather than a mission. Those who overly anticipate such an event, will probably instigate the problem.

In 250 years in America, how many kids have been shot down at school. Your child has a similar chance of becoming President or Vice President than of getting shot. Don't worry about what isn't going to happen.

I think that's a fair analysis. I can see where people in some areas might have more to fear than in others. If I lived in Iraq, I'd have any weapons I could get my hands on.

Let's be Clear.........the majority(high 90 percentile) of folks that apply and qualify for a concealed weapons permit are checked out for criminal behavior and or mental illness very thoroughly and most have to take a class, discussing the laws and tactics and how you should behave.
Some fall through the cracks, as did the guy in Va., but not many. btw, he didn't have a permit.
For the most part, these folks are law abiding, good citizens that have no ambition to be a John Wayne. They just want to be safe and defend themselves if the need arise. Speaking of that...on page 6 of the American Rifleman publication from NRA, each and every month, they have about a dozen incidents whereby a citizen has had to defend themselves in the USA with his or her firearm.
Sure, you may never in your life come upon a situation where your life is in jeopardy, but if you are one of those with that sort of misfortune, you may be very grateful that you had a little help. That may be the difference between you being a statistic or a victim!

Think of having a gun with you as if you would your jack and spare tire of your car....you may never have to use it, but it's sure is nice to have if you do!

In summation...a law abiding citizen will not use his/her gun for the most part, but criminals can access and will use them when needed!

It would show balance if the NRA magazine would include about a dozen incidents each month of family members accidentally shooting each other, kids getting guns and shooting someone, husbands shooting their wives or vice versa, and other evidence of what we know is true-that a gun in the home is often a bigger hazard than a help.

[Wabash]

I think that's a fair analysis. I can see where people in some areas might have more to fear than in others. If I lived in Iraq, I'd have any weapons I could get my hands on.



It would show balance if the NRA magazine would include about a dozen incidents each month of family members accidentally shooting each other, kids getting guns and shooting someone, husbands shooting their wives or vice versa, and other evidence of what we know is true-that a gun in the home is often a bigger hazard than a help.

Not if they are trained #1 and secondly, why does the NRA have to show balance? The antigun groups are already lopsided with lies, misconceptions and hate...the NRA IS balance!
How about addressing or agreeing with some of my other posts on this subject, instead of picking out one thing and commenting in the negative?

[Trueblue]

Not if they are trained #1 and secondly, why does the NRA have to show balance? The antigun groups are already lopsided with lies, misconceptions and hate...the NRA IS balance!

Yes, the antigun groups are biased, and the NRA is not. :lol

[Wabash]

Yes, the antigun groups are biased, and the NRA is not. :lol

Of course they are...logically so, as oppossed to the antigun people....

[Trueblue]

Of course they are...logically so, as oppossed to the antigun people....

:lmao

That's why they tell only one side of the story, because they are so unbiased. :lol

[Wabash]

:lmao

That's why they tell only one side of the story, because they are so unbiased. :lol

No, that's why they tell the other side of the story, because they ARE the balance!

If it wasn't for the NRA, Second Amendment foundation and others, Jimmy Carter's henchman, Hamilton Jordan and Sarah Brady, would have curtailed our gun rights long ago...or forced it to go to the Supreme's back than. I just hope and pray that the issue will be resolved in favor of legitimate gun owners....

[Wabash]

The antigun crowd, does not just want restrictions on handguns...that was Never their intent. What they want is a Total gun ban of all types in America. Just like in DC. That is their ultimate goal and I and millions of others have been fighting them since the 70s.
Furthermore, if a person is a decent, honest, law abiding citizen, they should be able to own whatever they want. These aren't the people you need worry about. It's the criminal element, who by their own actions, are the real threat to society. If a man or woman is going to commit a heinous crime, they could care less about a gun law or an illegal weapon.
At the same time, the law abiding citizen should have the right to defend themselves from said criminal or from a tyrannical govt. if the need arises. Hopefully, it will never be necessary.

[Trueblue]

The antigun crowd, does not just want restrictions on handguns...that was Never their intent. What they want is a Total gun ban of all types in America. Just like in DC. That is their ultimate goal and I and millions of others have been fighting them since the 70s.

I'm sure you realize that there are a variety of viewpoints among gun control advocates.

Furthermore, if a person is a decent, honest, law abiding citizen, they should be able to own whatever they want. These aren't the people you need worry about. It's the criminal element, who by their own actions, are the real threat to society. If a man or woman is going to commit a heinous crime, they could care less about a gun law or an illegal weapon.
At the same time, the law abiding citizen should have the right to defend themselves from said criminal or from a tyrannical govt. if the need arises. Hopefully, it will never be necessary.

If a criminal cares about whether or not a weapon is legal is not the issue. The issue is that restrictions reduce the number of guns out there.

Guns are more likely to hurt someone in your home than protect them, and that includes the decent and law abiding.

[Wabash]

I'm sure you realize that there are a variety of viewpoints among gun control advocates.



If a criminal cares about whether or not a weapon is legal is not the issue. The issue is that restrictions reduce the number of guns out there.

Guns are more likely to hurt someone in your home than protect them, and that includes the decent and law abiding.

That's a lame anti gun arugment TB...it's all BS. You wouldn't agree with me if I could cure your constipation....thing is, I don't wanna pull the plug.:rofl:rofl

[Trueblue]

You always call facts "lame" when you don't like them.

[Wabash]

You always call facts "lame" when you don't like them.

Thus..............the word "lame"!!

Just in my world alone TB, I have trained over 4K civilian and hundreds of security guards and police officers, plus I have a huge fraternity of officers all over the US, Europe, the ME and Asia that I have dealt with and keep in contact with. To date, I know of no families with a gun accident.

People do stupid things all the time, with all kinds of help....from cars, to lawn mowers, to chemicals, to fire. Using your frame of mind, we should restrict access to ALL those items and more, to keep stupid people and kids from hurting themeslves!
It's a typical liberal mindset, instead of training everyone and educating them about things, libs want to just remove that item from use.
I have 5 grown offspring, they all learned how to shoot by 6 years old, they were taught not to mess with the guns when I wasn't there, if they found one. They never did find one, nor even went looking for them. They had a healthy respect for them and today, in their 20s and 30s, they are all decent shots and own their own firearms. It's all about exposure and education TB, not restrictions, just like matches, lighters, bleach, drano, the well in the back yard with the deep hole, or anything else!

[Trueblue]

Thus..............the word "lame"!!

Just in my world alone TB, I have trained over 4K civilian and hundreds of security guards and police officers, plus I have a huge fraternity of officers all over the US, Europe, the ME and Asia that I have dealt with and keep in contact with. To date, I know of no families with a gun accident.

People do stupid things all the time, with all kinds of help....from cars, to lawn mowers, to chemicals, to fire. Using your frame of mind, we should restrict access to ALL those items and more, to keep stupid people and kids from hurting themeslves!
It's a typical liberal mindset, instead of training everyone and educating them about things, libs want to just remove that item from use.
I have 5 grown offspring, they all learned how to shoot by 6 years old, they were taught not to mess with the guns when I wasn't there, if they found one. They never did find one, nor even went looking for them. They had a healthy respect for them and today, in their 20s and 30s, they are all decent shots and own their own firearms. It's all about exposure and education TB, not restrictions, just like matches, lighters, bleach, drano, the well in the back yard with the deep hole, or anything else!

And using your frame of mind, we should all have TNT in our garden sheds, right? You love those straw men.

It is about educations, often-but it's also about restrictions. It's funny, weren't you torn up about condoms in the schools? Guns, you want to educate, sex, you get upset over. :lol

[toxic]

Thus..............the word "lame"!!

Just in my world alone TB, I have trained over 4K civilian and hundreds of security guards and police officers, plus I have a huge fraternity of officers all over the US, Europe, the ME and Asia that I have dealt with and keep in contact with. To date, I know of no families with a gun accident.

People do stupid things all the time, with all kinds of help....from cars, to lawn mowers, to chemicals, to fire. Using your frame of mind, we should restrict access to ALL those items and more, to keep stupid people and kids from hurting themeslves!
It's a typical liberal mindset, instead of training everyone and educating them about things, libs want to just remove that item from use.
I have 5 grown offspring, they all learned how to shoot by 6 years old, they were taught not to mess with the guns when I wasn't there, if they found one. They never did find one, nor even went looking for them. They had a healthy respect for them and today, in their 20s and 30s, they are all decent shots and own their own firearms. It's all about exposure and education TB, not restrictions, just like matches, lighters, bleach, drano, the well in the back yard with the deep hole, or anything else!


Gun groupies have nothing to do with civil liberties.

As you describe it, you have a social club or religion.

Like most, the norms are well known and strictly enforced socially. To maintain good standing, you must be singularly focused on one topic only, plus accept that the Democratic Party has not changed since 1960 and the Republican Party has not changed since Ronald Reagan.

As is required by any religion, you ignore all but the interpretation of a few select prophets, like Pierre of the NRA, the AEI, Rimbaugh, etc.

[Trueblue]

And I really don't care what you allege your personal experience to be-gun accidents and gun violence are not rare events in America.

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/70ViolentDeath.cfm

[Wabash]

And using your frame of mind, we should all have TNT in our garden sheds, right? You love those straw men.
I never met a starw man or used one either! No, I don't love them at all.
And no, I never said anything about having TNT in our gardens or anywhere else! You are silly!

It is about educations, often-but it's also about restrictions. It's funny, weren't you torn up about condoms in the schools? Guns, you want to educate, sex, you get upset over. :lol
No, not torn up at all....that would denote grief, I don't have emotion in that regard. I just think it is NOT the job of govt. or the schools to supply the kids with anything but an education! Abstinence works, every time it's tried! Guaranteed!

Gun groupies have nothing to do with civil liberties.

As you describe it, you have a social club or religion.

Like most, the norms are well known and strictly enforced socially. To maintain good standing, you must be singularly focused on one topic only, plus accept that the Democratic Party has not changed since 1960 and the Republican Party has not changed since Ronald Reagan.

As is required by any religion, you ignore all but the interpretation of a few select prophets, like Pierre of the NRA, the AEI, Rimbaugh, etc.

It's not a religion, it's just enjoying a certain thing(like football fans do) and common sense. Nothing wrong with what Wayne LaPierre has to say, or Limbaugh, or me! We ALL make good points!
The Demo Party has changed since 1960! It's been hijacked by extreme Left liberal whackos! The Republican Party under Reagan was superb and should remain that way. Bush has side tracked that effort!

[Trueblue]

No, not torn up at all....that would denote grief, I don't have emotion in that regard. I just think it is NOT the job of govt. or the schools to supply the kids with anything but an education! Abstinence works, every time it's tried! Guaranteed!


The point remains, you are pro-education when it comes to guns, and anti-education when it comes to sex. If you ask me, that is bassackwards.

It's not a religion, it's just enjoying a certain thing(like football fans do) and common sense. Nothing wrong with what Wayne LaPierre has to say, or Limbaugh, or me! We ALL make good points!
The Demo Party has changed since 1960! It's been hijacked by extreme Left liberal whackos! The Republican Party under Reagan was superb and should remain that way. Bush has side tracked that effort!

Richard Nixon would be called a liberal today, by you guys, because of some of the legislation he supported. :lol The far right has relocated the middle and left for their own purposes.

What in the party platform is "whacko"?

[Wabash]

The point remains, you are pro-education when it comes to guns, and anti-education when it comes to sex. If you ask me, that is bassackwards.
No, I am not anti education !!! STOP saying that! Passing out condoms is NOT education!



Richard Nixon would be called a liberal today, by you guys, because of some of the legislation he supported. :lol The far right has relocated the middle and left for their own purposes.

What in the party platform is "whacko"?
Nixon had a Great foreign policy, that was his forte, but I never liked him.

Whacko you ask? In too many ways to count here!

[Trueblue]

Teaching kids a real health education class IS education.

[Wabash]

Teaching kids a real health education class IS education.

Teaching is fine. Handing out condoms, or referring them to PP is NOT!:roar
It's no wonder so many folks have taken their kids out of the liberal, socialist Public school system!
Now...let's stay on topic......the one where the 2nd Amendment is not a collective right, but an individual one!

[Trueblue]

Teaching is fine. Handing out condoms, or referring them to PP is NOT!:roar
It's no wonder so many folks have taken their kids out of the liberal, socialist Public school system!
Now...let's stay on topic......the one where the 2nd Amendment is not a collective right, but an individual one!

A referral to Planned Parenthood is wrong?

You are right, we do live on different planets.

[Wabash]

A referral to Planned Parenthood is wrong?

You are right, we do live on different planets.

PP is fine, if the parents approve...but ONLY if the parents appprove! Any attempt to circumvent the parents is socialism....unless it's detrimental to the child's safety!!

[Trueblue]

PP is fine, if the parents approve...but ONLY if the parents appprove! Any attempt to circumvent the parents is socialism....unless it's detrimental to the child's safety!!

I vastly prefer that parents be involved. But not everybody is the Cleavers.

[Wabash]

I vastly prefer that parents be involved. But not everybody is the Cleavers.

The school has NO business making that call regarding sex education, condoms or PP!!!!

[sparks]

I vastly prefer that parents be involved. But not everybody is the Cleavers.

June cleaned house in her pearls. :rofl

How practical is that really? :lol

[Wabash]

June cleaned house in her pearls. :rofl

How practical is that really? :lol


I don't care what June Cleaver did....it has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment!

[Trueblue]

The school has NO business making that call regarding sex education, condoms or PP!!!!

A few posts ago you said that education was fine.

The school isn't "making the call", they would just be telling kids that there was a place they could go.

Teenagers are in an inbetween stage of life, old enough to have some very adult problems. You can't pretend that they are ten years old.

June cleaned house in her pearls. :rofl

How practical is that really? :lol

:lol

Wabash, I know we are off topic, but I don't know why it bothers you so. My point was valid, sex education is more pertinent to real life than gun education.

[sparks]

Wabash, I know we are off topic, but I don't know why it bothers you so. My point was valid, sex education is more pertinent to real life than gun education.

Really! Maybe Wabby needs to break out of the mold a bit?

Hell, maybe we should bring up sex in this thread just to be even more rebellious and off topic! :rofl

Do ya think the Cleaver's ever had sex beyond making their children? I'll bet that Ward dude was a real tiger in the bedroom! :rofl

[Trueblue]

Really! Maybe Wabby needs to break out of the mold a bit?

Hell, maybe we should bring up sex in this thread just to be even more rebellious and off topic! :rofl

Do ya think the Cleaver's ever had sex beyond making their children? I'll bet that Ward dude was a real tiger in the bedroom! :rofl

I think Ward had a thing for high heels!!!

[sparks]

I think Ward had a thing for high heels!!!


I wonder what they did in the bedroom with those pearls of Junes? :think

:rofl

Kinky baby! :rofl

[Wabash]

A few posts ago you said that education was fine.
Education IS fine, not referral w/o parent consents!

The school isn't "making the call", they would just be telling kids that there was a place they could go.
They need to tell the parents first!

Teenagers are in an inbetween stage of life, old enough to have some very adult problems. You can't pretend that they are ten years old.

Big deal, until they are 18 or emancipated, the parent or guardian has the authority over them! Not the school or PP!



:lol

Wabash, I know we are off topic, but I don't know why it bothers you so. My point was valid, sex education is more pertinent to real life than gun education.
No...not really. Inexperience with firearms causes accidents! Teaching a kid gun safety is just as important as sex education!!!....Probably more important!

Liberals always bother me, because they are aliens!

[Wabash]

A few posts ago you said that education was fine.

The school isn't "making the call", they would just be telling kids that there was a place they could go.

Teenagers are in an inbetween stage of life, old enough to have some very adult problems. You can't pretend that they are ten years old.



:lol

Wabash, I know we are off topic, but I don't know why it bothers you so. My point was valid, sex education is more pertinent to real life than gun education.

I wonder what they did in the bedroom with those pearls of Junes? :think

:rofl

Kinky baby! :rofl

Great...so when you want ME to stay on topic, it's a different story!

[sparks]

No...not really. Inexperience with firearms causes accidents! Teaching a kid gun safety is just as important as sex education!!!....Probably more important!

Liberals always bother me, because they are aliens!


Nano, nano! :aliens

[Wabash]

Gun safety used to be taught in many schools out west, I don't know about back there....now they don't teach em anything! Sexcpades won't normally get you killed, gun play will! All kids should be taught gun safety!

[Trueblue]

Yes, teenagers should get parental consent before they do anything. And they do, too!!!!!

[Trueblue]

Gun safety used to be taught in many schools out west, I don't know about back there....now they don't teach em anything! Sexcpades won't normally get you killed, gun play will! All kids should be taught gun safety!

Both can be quite dangerous, but one is a part of human life and always has been.

[sparks]

Great...so when you want ME to stay on topic, it's a different story!

Name one time I've complained about you being off topic? Clue - I haven't!

The truth is I'm just not that anal about stupid shit! :rofl

Maybe you have a corncob up your butt Wabs? :rofl

Or maybe it's a banana? :akbar

[Trueblue]

Nano, nano! :aliens

Do you think June was an alien? That would explain the high heels!

[sparks]

Do you think June was an alien? That would explain the high heels!

Naw man...I think she was from the land down under!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew

:dance

[Wabash]

Both can be quite dangerous, but one is a part of human life and always has been.
Both are a part of life, since the advent of gun powder!

Name one time I've complained about you being off topic? Clue - I haven't!

The truth is I'm just not that anal about stupid shit! :rofl

Maybe you have a corncob up your butt Wabs? :rofl

Or maybe it's a banana? :akbar
Haaaaaaaa! You were right on the second...it's a banana!:akbar:rofl:rofl

[Trueblue]

Naw man...I think she was from the land down under!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew

:dance

Where women glow and men plunder? :lol

[sparks]

Both are a part of life, since the advent of gun powder!


Haaaaaaaa! You were right on the second...it's a banana!:akbar:rofl:rofl

:rofl I had a feeling something was plugged up! :rofl

:akbar

[Wabash]

:rofl I had a feeling something was plugged up! :rofl

:akbar

You been drinking today? You are in a goofy mood!:mw

[sparks]

You been drinking today? You are in a goofy mood!:mw

Nope! Straight as an arrow, but you're right about the goofy part. :)

[Wabash]

Nope! Straight as an arrow, but you're right about the goofy part. :)

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Ok...jes checkin!:LoneLaugher

[Indigo]

Nano, nano! :aliens

If you're quoting Mork from Mork and Mindy, it's supposed to be "Nanu, Nanu." If you're not, then oh well.

Anyways... insofar as sex ed, I do think they need to teach teens how to protect themselves if they decided to have sex, but they shouldn't be handing out condoms. Referrals to PP are ok with me, but the kids have to either get their parents to take them or find their own way there. I guess my view is that some teens are going to have sex no matter how many times you tell them that it's better to wait, so you might as well tell them how to avoid getting an STD or pregnant.


For the guns, I would be fine with people carrying them on my campus as long as they have a permit.