Mudslingin' at Hillary Thread--Last Night's Debate Discussion

[Kurtz]

LAS VEGAS - Under pressure in a feisty debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused her closest rivals Thursday night of slinging mud "right out of the Republican playbook" and leveled her sharpest criticism of the campaign at their records.

"People are not attacking me because I'm a woman, they're attacking me because I'm ahead," Clinton said, striving to protect her standing as front-runner in an increasingly competitive nominating campaign.

"What the American people are looking for right now is straight answers to tough questions, and that is not what we have seen from Senator Clinton on a host of issues," said Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a debate seven weeks before the first contest of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"There's nothing personal about this," said former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, who joined Obama in bluntly accusing Clinton of forever switching positions on Social Security, driver's licenses for illegal immigrants and other issues, turning aside the suggestion that she was seeking to hide her positions. Long an advocate of universal health care, she said Obama's current proposal leaves millions uncovered and that Edwards did not support health care for all when he first ran for president in 2004.

The three-way confrontation at the beginning of a lengthy debate reduced the other Democratic presidential hopefuls on the debate stage to the uncomfortable role of spectator, yet it perfectly captured the race for the party's nomination. Clinton leads in the nationwide polls, but recent surveys in Iowa show she is in a virtual dead heat with Obama and Edwards.

For Richardson, Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, the opening moments were frustrating — and they repeatedly tried to break in.

"Oh, no, don't make me speak," Biden said in mock horror when moderator Wolf Blitzer of CNN called on him roughly 15 minutes into the proceedings.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who has campaigned in Nevada more than any other presidential hopeful, took verbal shots at Clinton and her two closest pursuers in the polls.

"Let's stop the mudslinging," he said.

He said Edwards is engaging in class warfare, Obama was trying to start a generational war and Clinton "with all due respect with her plan on Iraq doesn't end the war. All I want to do is give peace a chance."

Richardson was in the minority when the candidates were asked whether human rights could ever trump national security.

He said it could; Clinton said it could not, and Dodd said "obviously national security." Obama challenged the question, saying "the concepts are not contradictory."

Clinton seemed intent on redeeming what even she conceded was a sub-par performance at the previous debate, turning aside criticism from her rivals and answering questions with practiced ease.

Asked whether she was guilty of playing the "gender card" in her drive to become the first female president, she said she had not.

"I'm not playing the gender card here in Las Vegas," a magnet for gamblers. "I'm trying to play the winning card," she said.

Obama was the first to challenge Clinton, saying it took two weeks to "get a clear answer" on whether she supports or opposes issuing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. "The same is true on Social Security," he said.

For the first time in a debate since the campaign began, Clinton swiftly answered in kind. "When it came time to step up and decide whether or not he would support universal health care coverage he chose not to do that," she said of Obama. She added his plan would leave 15 million people without coverage — the population of Iowa and three other early voting states in the nominating campaign.

Edwards was next to accuse Clinton of trying to have it both ways — with the war in Iraq, Social Security and defining the scope of President Bush's power to use military force against Iran. "She says she will bring change to Washington while she continues to defend a system that does not work, that is broken, that is rigged, that is corrupt," added the former North Carolina senator.

"I've just been personally attacked again," Clinton broke in. "I don't mind taking hits on my record on issues, but when somebody starts throwing mud at least we can hope it's accurate and not right out of the Republican playbook."

The debate unfolded on a stage at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas. The state holds caucuses on Jan. 19 — following Iowa on Jan. 3 and most likely the New Hampshire primary several days later.

The focus on Clinton from the debate's opening moments was hardly surprising.

The New York senator herself has conceded she turned in a sub-par performance at the last debate, when she stumbled on a question about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. Her husband, the former president, leapt to her defense in the interim, saying of her rivals: "Those boys have been getting tough on her lately."

The setting underscored Nevada's newly prominent role in the nominating process. The state is far more racially diverse than either Iowa or New Hampshire, with a population that is about 22 percent Hispanic and 10 percent black.

Democrats in Nevada hoped the focus on their state would prompt candidates to pay closer heed to Western issues like water, grazing and mining rights.

But it was more than an hour into the two-hour debate before the issue of energy came up.

Instead, Clinton drew the first question — and moments later the first barb from Obama.

Despite her critics, she said, "I think the American people know where I've stood for 35 years," adding she had been fighting for children, workers, families and universal health care.

More than an hour later, Dodd sought to turn the focus back onto Clinton, saying she had changed positions on trade by announcing her support for a deal with Peru at the same time she advocates a "time out" for such agreements.

Moments earlier, Clinton gave a careful answer when asked whether she now viewed the North American Free Trade Agreement — a product of her husband's administration — to be a mistake.

"NAFTA is a mistake to the extent it did not deliver what we hoped it would," she said.

And she fielded another question about NAFTA with a quip. Asked whether she now believes Ross Perot when he argued against NAFTA in a 1993 debate with her husband's vice president, Al Gore, she said: "All I can remember from that is a bunch of charts," a reference to Perot's penchant for presenting information in made-for-television format.


Debates (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate)

[Ringo]

I watched it last night too, why did they keep following Hillary???:sheep:pblade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoVR7_cWYk

[issac the dragon]

I really don't think debates add much to our knowledge of canidates. They are asked yes and no questions about subjects that I would hope the canidates would have more than a thirty second answer to.

We don't learn much of anything. They would be far better if they were about one subject, and the canidates were give at least five minutes to answer a question, but I'm sure that wouldn't go over with the viewer who wants to be entertained rather than enlightened.

[Wabash]

WOLF TURNS 'LAMB'; CLINTON CAMPAIGN SAYS CNN HOST 'OUTSTANDING'

CNN debate moderator Wolf Blitzer did an 'outstanding' job in Vegas, a senior adviser to the Hillary campaign said early Friday. 'He was outstanding, and did not gang up like Russert did in Philadelphia. He avoided the personal attacks, remained professional and ran the best debate so far. Voters were the big winners last night.'

A rival campaign insider charges: 'Wolf turned into a lamb. No follow-up question on Clinton's huge flip on drivers licenses?'

Looks like the book is right on target!!

[toxic]

I look forward to an Administration where Driver's Licenses is the "big problem".

[Semantics]

I look forward to an Administration where Driver's Licenses is the "big problem".

Good point. :no

[Wabash]

I look forward to an Administration where Driver's Licenses is the "big problem".

Dream on...........

The world is getting more complex all the time! We are intertwined with the entire planet. With commerace, with poverty and the BIG ONE...Terrorism!

Your comment is a "feel good" one, but the reality is far distant!

No matter who wins the election, they will have immense "world problems" to deal with, including a continual terrorist threat. It is NOT a Bush Dream state...it's real and it's here!
Putting one's head in the sand will not avoid trouble, it will still find us!

[Wabash]

Just listened to a black man caller into Rush's show!

He was pleading with Rush to Stop Hillary! He said "please don't let her be President"!

The funniest part was when Rush asked him what he thought of Harry Reid. He said Harry Reid was the dirtiest no good so and so in the Senate and how could the Great state of Nevada elect such a dirtbag.
Asked about Pelosi, he said "she is the dirtiest of the dirtiest"!
"The two of them ought to get married and have a Dirty Baby"!

THAT was funny!

[April15]

Dream on...........

The world is getting more complex all the time! We are intertwined with the entire planet. With commerace, with poverty and the BIG ONE...Terrorism!

Your comment is a "feel good" one, but the reality is far distant!

No matter who wins the election, they will have immense "world problems" to deal with, including a continual terrorist threat. It is NOT a Bush Dream state...it's real and it's here!
Putting one's head in the sand will not avoid trouble, it will still find us!

It is still nice to think about pre bush era!

[Lone Laugher]

We are all so glad you fully understood the context behind Toxic's post, Wabidiot. But why shouldn't you have...of course you watched the entire debate so you could make informed comments today. Good for you.

BTW haviing one's head in the sand is no good...how is it having your head up your ass?

[Lone Laugher]

Just listened to a black man caller into Rush's show!

He was pleading with Rush to Stop Hillary! He said "please don't let her be President"!

The funniest part was when Rush asked him what he thought of Harry Reid. He said Harry Reid was the dirtiest no good so and so in the Senate and how could the Great state of Nevada elect such a dirtbag.
Asked about Pelosi, he said "she is the dirtiest of the dirtiest"!
"The two of them ought to get married and have a Dirty Baby"!

THAT was funny!


What?! A black man came up with that all by himself? Amazing!

[Wabash]

It is still nice to think about pre bush era!

Ya, Like WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, Somalia, Iran Hostage Crisis, Gulf War.......ya, I remember all too well!


We are all so glad you fully understood the context behind Toxic's post, Wabidiot. But why shouldn't you have...of course you watched the entire debate so you could make informed comments today. Good for you.

BTW haviing one's head in the sand is no good...how is it having your head up your ass?

What in the world are you babbling about?

What?! A black man came up with that all by himself? Amazing!

Yes it is!!! Seeing how so many of them are indoctrinated into the Demo fold of sheep! You know, like the ones from New Orleans!

[Wabash]

Me watch a Demo Debate? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Too funny! About as funny as you watching the Pubs debate! The aftermath on the web gives me PLENTY to talk about!

[April15]

The worst of times before Bush are far better than the best of times with him! About the only time that comes close to being as bad is the RR era.

[Lone Laugher]

Me watch a Demo Debate? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Too funny! About as funny as you watching the Pubs debate! The aftermath on the web gives me PLENTY to talk about!

Just what I figured. I watch them all, Wabadoofus.

Here's a novel idea....watch a debate, give it some thought and come up with YOUR OWN commentary.

[issac the dragon]

In this matter, I've got to stand by Wabash. I rarely read his posts, but I comment on them. He always says the same things. I didn't read any of the above posts of his, but I know exactly what he said. If he actually watched the debates, listened to a news report anywhere but Fox, or read a news report about anything, he might say something new. But he won't. Might interfere with his bias.

[Wabash]

The worst of times before Bush are far better than the best of times with him! About the only time that comes close to being as bad is the RR era.

Shirley you jest!:hotdog

Just what I figured. I watch them all, Wabadoofus.

Here's a novel idea....watch a debate, give it some thought and come up with YOUR OWN commentary.

Well a Big Whoopdie do for you...I'm not wasting my time....on either! Watching the debates is pointless. I know what the Demos are all about and what the Pubs are all about! You think they are going to reveal some earth shattering utterance? The last Demo I voted for was Bobby Kennedy. Voted for Ronnie for Gov. of Ca. and all Pubs since. Pubs are the only ones that make any real sense!

In this matter, I've got to stand by Wabash. I rarely read his posts, but I comment on them. He always says the same things. I didn't read any of the above posts of his, but I know exactly what he said. If he actually watched the debates, listened to a news report anywhere but Fox, or read a news report about anything, he might say something new. But he won't. Might interfere with his bias.

You don't read my posts huh? Mind made up, not going to listen, don't want to hear anything that might conflict with your mindset?
Of course I always say the same thing. I have my convictions and my principles and nothing is going to change them. I still read all your posts though.
Any doofus that proclaims they are anti Life, anti Death penalty, anti gun, anti God and don't believe in Creation, and believe in the GW hoax and the UN, are not getting my vote....period!

[Wabash]

Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:48 PM

By: Newsmax Staff

As the Democratic primary draws near to the Iowa Caucus, the sparks -- and sleaze -- are starting to fly.

The latest mud: columnist Robert Novak reported Friday that "agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information" about Sen. Barack Obama.

So what dirt does Hillary have about the Illinois Senator?

Novak says the details, so far, have not been disclosed.

Democratic primary campaigns can be particularly dirty. Remember Sen. Gary Hart's "Monkey Business" affair that was reportedly dredged up by operatives of his 1988 primary rival Al Gore.
(Wabby note: Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!)
Also remember the Gennifer Flowers scandal. Republicans get blamed for the "Clinton Hate Machine" -- but the truth is that the buzz against Bill Clinton was fed by Democratic operatives in the '92 primary campaign.

This time, Obama is on the offensive and quickly lashed out at Hillary.

In a statement released by his campaign this weekend, Obama said: “The cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old ‘Swift boat’ politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it ....

“I am prepared to stand up to that kind of politics, whether it's deployed by candidates in our party, in the other party or by any third party."

Obama demanded that Hillary and her operatives release their "scandal" or deny they are part of an effort to smear him.

An angry Obama added, “She of all people, having complained so often about ‘the politics of personal destruction,’ should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics.”

Clinton's campaign hurriedly responded to the growing brouhaha. Clinton spokesman Jay Carson told Fox News that the campaign has "absolutely no idea what [Novak] is talking about. ..."

Carson said, bluntly, Hillary Clinton's campaign had no scandalous information about Senator Obama.

Word of the Obama scandal comes as Hillary has lost her momentum after flip-flopping on the issue of licenses for illegals. Obama appears to be gaining, and recent polls in Iowa show him closing the gap with Hillary.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/hillary_obama/2007/11/17/50360.html?s=al&promo_code=3DC6-1

[Saguaro]

What makes her posts any different than your's,other than the fact she is on the Dem side ?

[Saguaro]

The scandal is that Obama is bi-racial

[Wabash]

Who was it here that said the Pubs play dirty?....They ALL play dirty!

[Wabash]

What makes her posts any different than your's,other than the fact she is on the Dem side ?

I read hers!:lmao:lmao:lmao

The scandal is that Obama is bi-racial

But, he can't help it.....and it sure doesn't make him any beter as a candidate!

[Lone Laugher]

Well, Wabsywabsy, you have run off a string of compelling posts here. Do you think you can try any harder at sounding like a pre-schooler?

[Semantics]

The scandal is that Obama is bi-racial



I wonder what that means, exactly?

How black is Barack Obama? What is that based upon? Physical features? Lineage? Or characteristics like how he speaks or his mannerisms? Not so black here in the USA, but he's pretty damn black in Brazil. :lol

I guess it's all in how one measures such things. :shrug

[Ringo]

I wonder what that means, exactly?

How black is Barack Obama? What is that based upon? Physical features? Lineage? Or characteristics like how he speaks or his mannerisms? Not so black here in the USA, but he's pretty damn black in Brazil. :lol

I guess it's all in how one measures such things. :shrug

Hillary measured his and her eyes batted as she formed a silly grin???????????? Didn't know Heritage could make ya giddy??

Obamma is well spoken, he is whatever they call Half Black/White, he was scandled by trying to avoid any references to his White Heritage, by kinda keeping Grandma in the closet! He was somewhat hurt by a RADICAL White HATING Minister, and people are suspicious of his name?:theman

[Trueblue]

Shirley you jest!:hotdog



Well a Big Whoopdie do for you...I'm not wasting my time....on either! Watching the debates is pointless. I know what the Demos are all about and what the Pubs are all about! You think they are going to reveal some earth shattering utterance? The last Demo I voted for was Bobby Kennedy. Voted for Ronnie for Gov. of Ca. and all Pubs since. Pubs are the only ones that make any real sense!



You don't read my posts huh? Mind made up, not going to listen, don't want to hear anything that might conflict with your mindset?
Of course I always say the same thing. I have my convictions and my principles and nothing is going to change them. I still read all your posts though.
Any doofus that proclaims they are anti Life, anti Death penalty, anti gun, anti God and don't believe in Creation, and believe in the GW hoax and the UN, are not getting my vote....period!

Anti-Life and Anti Death Penalty, eh? :lol

[issac the dragon]

So Robert (the traitor) Novak said the Clinton's are going to smear Obama. And that makes it true. And if it doesn't happen, it will be because he exposed them, right? Talk about :bullshit

[Trueblue]

So Robert (the traitor) Novak said the Clinton's are going to smear Obama. And that makes it true. And if it doesn't happen, it will be because he exposed them, right? Talk about :bullshit

Rep points aren't enough, Issac. :hug Thanks for this post.

[Wabash]

It is still nice to think about pre bush era!

It's still nice to think about the first time I got laid too....but she's an old bag now....and I stopped thinking about it!

We are all so glad you fully understood the context behind Toxic's post, Wabidiot. But why shouldn't you have...of course you watched the entire debate so you could make informed comments today. Good for you.

BTW haviing one's head in the sand is no good...how is it having your head up your ass?

Don't know, I don't do that anymore...not since I was a Liberal!

[Wabash]

Well, Wabsywabsy, you have run off a string of compelling posts here. Do you think you can try any harder at sounding like a pre-schooler?

Do you try any harder coming up with alternate names to Wabash? Talk about a pre schooler!!!!

Anti-Life and Anti Death Penalty, eh? :lol

Anti Life for children in the womb that should not be murdered and anti Death penalty for scum sucking maggots that need killing! But of course, you knew what I meant!

[Deadshot]

It's still nice to think about the first time I got laid too....but she's an old bag now....and I stopped thinking about it!

How can you say "It's still nice to think about the first time I got laid too" and then say "and I stopped thinking about it!" Either you think about it, or you don't.

As usual, and this I didn't miss, certain people just can't put together a logical sentence.:deadshot



Don't know, I don't do that anymore...not since I was a Liberal!

It's the Liberals that will win in '08, not the Conservatives. It's not so much about having one's head in one's ass, or the sand, so much as the GOP and Conservatives having lost their way.

You had from 2000-2006 with total control of the Government and all you have to show for it is embarassment and horror.

[Kurtz]

:thumbsup
Great thread!


:lmao

[Trueblue]

Do you try any harder coming up with alternate names to Wabash? Talk about a pre schooler!!!!



Anti Life for children in the womb that should not be murdered and anti Death penalty for scum sucking maggots that need killing! But of course, you knew what I meant!

I just thought it was a revealing statement.



You had from 2000-2006 with total control of the Government and all you have to show for it is embarassment and horror.

:werd

[Wabash]

It's the Liberals that will win in '08, not the Conservatives. It's not so much about having one's head in one's ass, or the sand, so much as the GOP and Conservatives having lost their way.

You had from 2000-2006 with total control of the Government and all you have to show for it is embarassment and horror.

Actually, I just voted for the Right guy and the rest is up to him! I personally had about as much control as you had...
The previous post was logical, but since you are from a different planet, I supposse I'll have to explain it to you...

I just thought it was a revealing statement.



:werd

Ok..........if you say so...

[Trueblue]

Actually, I just voted for the Right guy and the rest is up to him! I personally had about as much control as you had...
The previous post was logical, but since you are from a different planet, I supposse I'll have to explain it to you...



Ok..........if you say so...

Sure, the Right guy for ongoing horror.

[Wabash]

Sure, the Right guy for ongoing horror.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

If not Bush, than it would have been someone else. I wish 911 had never happened, but since Clinton is to blame for most of it...I wish he would have been the one forced to deal with it....had to be an aspirin factory somewhere in Afganistan!

[Trueblue]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

If not Bush, than it would have been someone else. I wish 911 had never happened, but since Clinton is to blame for most of it...I wish he would have been the one forced to deal with it....had to be an aspirin factory somewhere in Afganistan!

Oh, bullshit. Only Bush would have taken us to Iraq. No other candidate was in the thrall of the neocons.

Blaming Clinton for 9/11 shows how little you really know about terrorism and the recent history of the US.

[Wabash]

Oh, bullshit. Only Bush would have taken us to Iraq. No other candidate was in the thrall of the neocons.

Blaming Clinton for 9/11 shows how little you really know about terrorism and the recent history of the US.

The first major terrorism against the US, came in '93...on Clinton's watch...several more came after that...Slick Willy said, "we will deal with them"...he didn't do shit! 911 is mostly due to his inaction in the 90s!
Of course you really do believe that the President is pulling the strings, don't you? It's Big Oil in Charge, no matter who the President is!
They take the newly elected POTUS into a side room, for immediate indoctrination, right after the ceremony and show them the video of Dallas in 1963. They tell em...."this could happen to anyone"!:wink
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Trueblue]

The first major terrorism against the US, came in '93...on Clinton's watch.

Now you know perfectly well that happened a very short time after Clinton took office. Using your blame-the-previous office-holders reasoning, the attack should be placed at the feet of Bush I and Reagan. But somehow you manage to blame Clinton and excuse Bush? How can you possibly type that without your mind cracking?

..several more came after that...Slick Willy said, "we will deal with them"...he didn't do shit! 911 is mostly due to his inaction in the 90s!

He reacted, of course. And Bush was warned repeatedly about an imminent terrorist attack after he took office---and he did absolutely nothing.

Of course you really do believe that the President is pulling the strings, don't you? It's Big Oil in Charge, no matter who the President is!
They take the newly elected POTUS into a side room, for immediate indoctrination, right after the ceremony and show them the video of Dallas in 1963. They tell em...."this could happen to anyone"!:wink
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I think the tinfoil in your new hat is a little bit too tight.

[Trueblue]

January 20, 1993-Clinton Sworn in

February 26, 1993-First World Trade Center attack

[Wabash]

Now you know perfectly well that happened a very short time after Clinton took office. Using your blame-the-previous office-holders reasoning, the attack should be placed at the feet of Bush I and Reagan. But somehow you manage to blame Clinton and excuse Bush? How can you possibly type that without your mind cracking?
Cracked a fart, does that count?

.

He reacted, of course. And Bush was warned repeatedly about an imminent terrorist attack after he took office---and he did absolutely nothing.
They never tell us how many times Clinton was warned do they?



I think the tinfoil in your new hat is a little bit too tight.

Sunday humor TB....lossen up!:spazz:spazz

January 20, 1993-Clinton Sworn in

February 26, 1993-First World Trade Center attack

I wasn't lying.......:wink

[Trueblue]

Sunday humor TB....lossen up!:spazz:spazz



I wasn't lying.......:wink

Hey, if I see something funny, I love to laugh.

Clinton's staff warned Bush and Co. Bush was also warned by a memo called "Bin Laden determined to strike inside US", and yet he stayed on the ranch.

The first attack came about 36 days after Clinton was sworn in, the second about eight months after Bush was sworn in. Reality.

[Kurtz]

Hey, if I see something funny, I love to laugh.

Clinton's staff warned Bush and Co. Bush was also warned by a memo called "Bin Laden determined to strike inside US", and yet he stayed on the ranch.

The first attack came about 36 days after Clinton was sworn in, the second about eight months after Bush was sworn in. Reality.

:yep

And that ain't even funny. :mad

[Wabash]

Hey, if I see something funny, I love to laugh.

Clinton's staff warned Bush and Co. Bush was also warned by a memo called "Bin Laden determined to strike inside US", and yet he stayed on the ranch.

The first attack came about 36 days after Clinton was sworn in, the second about eight months after Bush was sworn in. Reality.

Clinton couldn't have done much about the first WTC attack, but he could have on the Kobar Towers, USS Cole and other attacks...he did virtually nothing except lip service!!! He was also aware of bin Hidin and threats from him and failed to take decisive action or properly advise the Bush ADm.
Clinton was to blame for a Lot of it...long before the election of Bush!
Thank God Gore wasn't elected or he would have done a film on GW to show the bad guys where they were going wrong!!!

[Trueblue]

Clinton couldn't have done much about the first WTC attack, but he could have on the Kobar Towers, USS Cole and other attacks...he did virtually nothing except lip service!!! He was also aware of bin Hidin and threats from him and failed to take decisive action or properly advise the Bush ADm.
Clinton was to blame for a Lot of it...long before the election of Bush!
Thank God Gore wasn't elected or he would have done a film on GW to show the bad guys where they were going wrong!!!

Oh, how I wish that Gore had been our President on 9/11. He would have gone to Afghanistan and actually focused on fighting terrorism.

The authors of the first WTC attacks are in jail. What about the authors of the second WTC attacks, Wabash?

Read about the Cole attacks:

On January 25, Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack.[17]

According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's. She said he "made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was 'tired of swatting flies.'" The administration instead began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda.[18]

Now you need to amend your comment so that it deals with the facts of the matter. :toetap

Now read about the Khobar Towers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing

I wish Gore had been President on 9/11, because Gore would have concentrated on the actual problem instead of barging off into Iraq. :mad