View Full Version : Los Angeles police plan to map Muslims
Wabash
11-09-2007, 01:07 PM
1 hour, 47 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES - Civil rights advocates criticized plans by the Los Angeles Police Department to map the city's Muslim communities, calling it racial profiling.
The LAPD's counterterrorism bureau plans to identify Muslim enclaves in order to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism," said Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing on Thursday.
"We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities," said Downing, who heads the counterterrorism bureau.
Downing said the plan is still in its early stages, but the LAPD wants to work with a Muslim partner and intends to have the data assembled by the University of Southern California's Center for Risk and Economic Analysis.
Downing testified about the plan before a U.S. Senate committee on Oct. 30.
In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities.
There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties.
On Thursday, several Muslim groups and the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California sent Downing a letter expressing "grave concerns" about the program.
"Singling out individuals for investigation, surveillance, and data-gathering based on their religion constitutes religious profiling that is just as unlawful, ill-advised and deeply offensive as racial profiling," said the letter.
It was signed by representatives of the ACLU of Southern California; Muslim Advocates, a national association of Muslim lawyers; the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California and the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
The plan "basically turns the LAPD officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to fight crime and enforce the laws," said Hussam Ayloush, head of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who signed the letter.
However, another group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is considering working with the LAPD on the project.
"We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected," said Salam al-Marayati, the council's executive director.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071109/ap_on_re_us/lapd_muslims_1
The Q
11-09-2007, 01:40 PM
Hey! CIA! FBI! I'm right here!
:granny
ADQ
Wabash
11-09-2007, 04:11 PM
Hey! CIA! FBI! I'm right here!
:granny
ADQ
Now, now Q the article is talking about LAPD, are you in LA!
However, another group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is considering working with the LAPD on the project.
"We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected," said Salam al-Marayati, the council's executive director.
Lone Laugher
11-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Yes, another traditional conservative value on display. Protect the rights of individuals...and their privacy. Sometimes.
Saguaro
11-10-2007, 07:55 AM
Yea, unless they follow the Quaran
Yes, another traditional conservative value on display. Protect the rights of individuals...and their privacy. Sometimes.
Hmmm funny
Antonio R. Villaraigosa
Political party Democratic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villaraigosa
Sounds like a liberal thing to me
Saguaro
11-10-2007, 09:15 AM
What is your point ?
Lone Laugher
11-10-2007, 01:10 PM
Really....what is your point?
issac the dragon
11-10-2007, 01:16 PM
Now, now Q the article is talking about LAPD, are you in LA!
However, another group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is considering working with the LAPD on the project.
"We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected," said Salam al-Marayati, the council's executive director.
I'd bet everything I own that there were Jews in Germany who cooperated with the Nazis. How damn stupid do we have to be. This enrages me. The fascists are pulling off their masks and going public. :pissed
Wabash
11-10-2007, 01:38 PM
Hmmm funny
Antonio R. Villaraigosa
Political party Democratic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villaraigosa
Sounds like a liberal thing to me
Yep...BIG time...being an ACLU anything sours him for me! And being a Teachers Union guy really cuts it!
I'd bet everything I own that there were Jews in Germany who cooperated with the Nazis. How damn stupid do we have to be. This enrages me. The fascists are pulling off their masks and going public. :pissed
Really? I don't see anything of the sort here! You and others are..........projecting, and your lens is blurred!:wink
Mack the Knife
11-10-2007, 05:01 PM
What is your point ?
The point might be to nullify your LIE with the truth, which bothers Liberals a lot as their whole being is fantasy!
Saguaro
11-10-2007, 05:20 PM
What lie ?
Wabash
11-10-2007, 08:29 PM
:popcorn:popcorn:popcorn:magnify
What is your point ?
Really....what is your point?
My point was a reply to this lie.
Yes, another traditional conservative value on display. Protect the rights of individuals...and their privacy. Sometimes.
Trueblue
11-11-2007, 08:18 AM
You can make the case that he is wrong, but not that he was lying.
Lone Laugher
11-11-2007, 08:24 AM
Really....what was the lie? I don't think you even understood what I meant...that happens with you a lot, Rev. You might want to slow down......
Really....what was the lie? I don't think you even understood what I meant...that happens with you a lot, Rev. You might want to slow down......
REally now you said that the mapping of Muslims (the topic of this thread" was a "conservative value" and I showed that it was put forth by a liberal.
Now exactly what did I misunderstand here?
And TB when you knowingly make a false statement it is not a mistake it is a lie.
Trueblue
11-11-2007, 09:34 PM
REally now you said that the mapping of Muslims (the topic of this thread" was a "conservative value" and I showed that it was put forth by a liberal.
Now exactly what did I misunderstand here?
And TB when you knowingly make a false statement it is not a mistake it is a lie.
Yeah, I know that. My comment stands.
Lone Laugher
11-11-2007, 10:11 PM
First of all, Rev....I told no lie. You may not agree with what I said but you cannot say is a lie.
My comment was directed at the originator of the post....who chose to highlight only one sentence in the cited piece...the one that was designed to make the reader think there are just too many Muslims in LA...better keep an eye on them!!!.....
Many conservatives...who SAY they are for individual rights...and small government...will readily succomb to privacy violations when it makes them feel more comfortable...which is usually when a group that they don't appreciate gets the shaft.
I have lied in my life and I surely will again...but I certainly have no need to do so here....and will not.
And....just to be clear...I did not see where you showed that the mapping policy was put forth by a liberal. Care to highlight the paragraph? I don't think you are lying...just jumping to conclusions, perhaps.
Saguaro
11-11-2007, 10:16 PM
The point might be to nullify your LIE with the truth, which bothers Liberals a lot as their whole being is fantasy!
I told no lie ! What in the **** are you talking about ?
First of all, Rev....I told no lie. You may not agree with what I said but you cannot say is a lie.
My comment was directed at the originator of the post....who chose to highlight only one sentence in the cited piece...the one that was designed to make the reader think there are just too many Muslims in LA...better keep an eye on them!!!.....
Many conservatives...who SAY they are for individual rights...and small government...will readily succomb to privacy violations when it makes them feel more comfortable...which is usually when a group that they don't appreciate gets the shaft.
I have lied in my life and I surely will again...but I certainly have no need to do so here....and will not.
And....just to be clear...I did not see where you showed that the mapping policy was put forth by a liberal. Care to highlight the paragraph? I don't think you are lying...just jumping to conclusions, perhaps.
An untruth is a lie; you said
Yes, another traditional conservative value on display. Protect the rights of individuals...and their privacy. Sometimes.
And that is not true, that is not a conservative VALUE.
AS for the policy who runs the city, the MAYOR so it is his policy. It works BOTH ways you want to blame everything that goes bad in this country on Bush because he is the President then following that logic the Mayor of LA (WHO IS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT) is to blame for this.
Lone Laugher
11-12-2007, 07:35 AM
An untruth is a lie; you said
And that is not true, that is not a conservative VALUE.
AS for the policy who runs the city, the MAYOR so it is his policy. It works BOTH ways you want to blame everything that goes bad in this country on Bush because he is the President then following that logic the Mayor of LA (WHO IS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT) is to blame for this.
You did it again.....I really don't care...but why did you put emphasis on the word "value"?
Why do you cons always have to bring Bush's failed presidency up when you are making an argument...Geeez!
You did it again.....I really don't care...but why did you put emphasis on the word "value"?
Why do you cons always have to bring Bush's failed presidency up when you are making an argument...Geeez!
Because you called it a conservative value, your use of value is wrong.
As for Bush it was an example.
Example
Main Entry:
1ex·am·ple
Pronunciation:
\ig-ˈzam-pəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French essample, example, from Latin exemplum, from eximere to take out, from ex- + emere to take — more at redeem
Date:
14th century
1: one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated <a good example> <a bad example>
2: a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to others; also : an individual so punished
3: one (as an item or incident) that is representative of all of a group or type
4: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model
5: an instance (as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule
Do you deny that is what you said?
Lone Laugher
11-12-2007, 08:00 AM
Well then Rev...I see you understood my post perfectly. You may want to get your sarcasm detection meter adjusted.
Wabash
11-12-2007, 02:27 PM
Really....what was the lie? I don't think you even understood what I meant...that happens with you a lot, Rev. You might want to slow down......
It DOES happen a lot...good that you notice it too....join the TB Don't Get it crowd!
An untruth is a lie; you said
And that is not true, that is not a conservative VALUE.
AS for the policy who runs the city, the MAYOR so it is his policy. It works BOTH ways you want to blame everything that goes bad in this country on Bush because he is the President then following that logic the Mayor of LA (WHO IS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT) is to blame for this.
Yep!
You did it again.....I really don't care...but why did you put emphasis on the word "value"?
Why do you cons always have to bring Bush's failed presidency up when you are making an argument...Geeez!
It's not a failed Presidency in our minds...only in yours! It's a smear job from Demos and the Media and Hollywood that started 3 months after he took office and continues to the present!
Well then Rev...I see you understood my post perfectly. You may want to get your sarcasm detection meter adjusted.
I understand that you are full of it most of the time!
Trueblue
11-12-2007, 05:13 PM
Yes, another traditional conservative value on display. Protect the rights of individuals...and their privacy.
This is allegedly a conservative value, LL is correct.
Lone Laugher
11-12-2007, 06:43 PM
You still watching me, Wabbass?
It is hard to tell when you are using sarcasm seeing as that is how you view conservatives.
Lone Laugher
11-12-2007, 09:12 PM
What should my "view" of conservatives be, Rev?
Your view can be what you want and I will continue to point out when you are wrong.
See the difference is that I don't view all Liberals or their views as bad but the same can not be said for your views of Conservatives.
Lone Laugher
11-12-2007, 09:55 PM
That's bullshit.
I actually like some of the "traditional" conservative values.....especially the ones regarding fiscal responsibility and the unwillingness to participate in nation-building.
BUT...take a look at the squeaky wheels that are calling themselves conservatives on this forum....and then tell me about viewing people as "bad"
BUT...take a look at the prominent national conservatives....like Robertson, Cheney, Rove, and DeLay.....and tell me that the conservative agenda has been well represented.
BUT...listen to the conservative pundits...Hannity, Rush, Savage, Beck....and tell me how I should think highly of the mouthpieces that conservatives have decided to rally behind.
The closest thing to a conservative you have is Ron Paul...and YOU hate his guts. Ain't life a bitch.
Wabash
11-13-2007, 02:52 AM
You still watching me, Wabbass?:seeyou:seeyou:seeyou
I like Ron Paul...he has many Good points!
You bet I'm watching you...you really seem suspicious...........
That's bullshit.
I actually like some of the "traditional" conservative values.....especially the ones regarding fiscal responsibility and the unwillingness to participate in nation-building.
BUT...take a look at the squeaky wheels that are calling themselves conservatives on this forum....and then tell me about viewing people as "bad"
BUT...take a look at the prominent national conservatives....like Robertson, Cheney, Rove, and DeLay.....and tell me that the conservative agenda has been well represented.
BUT...listen to the conservative pundits...Hannity, Rush, Savage, Beck....and tell me how I should think highly of the mouthpieces that conservatives have decided to rally behind.
The closest thing to a conservative you have is Ron Paul...and YOU hate his guts. Ain't life a bitch.
First those are REpublicans not necessarily conservatives. If you had said Republican values I would have agreed with you. The Rep party (not the regular people that vote Rep but the party elite) has gone away from the conservative point of view.
As for the cons on this board I can only think of two that meet your description. Certainly not MW, Cassandra, or I meet that description.
Second I do not "hate" Ron Paul, if he were to give back that money and stop publishing his views in a neo-nazi owned publication then I would look at him better. I do not support people that are racist or knowlingly accept money from racist people. As for those currently runng I agree none are true conservatives which is why I have not yet supported anyone.
Beside you are a liberal what do you know about conservative values.
You want to go this direction, I can find lots of people that "represent" liberal values the way you say Cheney represents conservative ones.
PSST Bush and Cheney are liberal not conservative.
Lone Laugher
11-13-2007, 06:53 AM
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Beside you are a liberal what do you know about conservative values.
PSST Bush and Cheney are liberal not conservative.
The above two comment sum it all up nicely. What insight!
The above two comment sum it all up nicely. What insight!
Here I had a thread on why Bush is a liberal
http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=2549&highlight=bush+the+liberal
Ok what do you think are conservative values.
issac the dragon
11-13-2007, 01:56 PM
Reverend, you have really offended me. I know what a neo-con is and I know what a liberal or progressive is. The Republicans own Bush and the neo-cons and all of the spin in the world does not change that.
That anyone would try to pass those people off as liberals is just stupid. It is contemptable, and I won't even argue the point. Lie as much as you want.
Wabash
11-13-2007, 04:21 PM
Reverend, you have really offended me. I know what a neo-con is and I know what a liberal or progressive is. The Republicans own Bush and the neo-cons and all of the spin in the world does not change that.
That anyone would try to pass those people off as liberals is just stupid. It is contemptable, and I won't even argue the point. Lie as much as you want.
From the mouth of the :sheep...............:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
Reverend, you have really offended me. I know what a neo-con is and I know what a liberal or progressive is. The Republicans own Bush and the neo-cons and all of the spin in the world does not change that.
That anyone would try to pass those people off as liberals is just stupid. It is contemptable, and I won't even argue the point. Lie as much as you want.
I never said he wasn't a Rep, I said he wasn't a Conservative and that he was a liberal. Sorry but that is not a lie. There are bad Libs out there. Hillary is another one.
issac the dragon
11-13-2007, 06:32 PM
Censored.
Alright Issac read my thread and dispute what I wrote.
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