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Saguaro
11-09-2007, 08:56 AM
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistani police placed opposition leader Benazir Bhutto under house arrest Friday, uncoiling barbed wire in front of her Islamabad villa, and reportedly rounded up thousands of her supporters to block a mass protest against emergency rule.

Bhutto twice tried to leave in her car, telling police: "Do not raise hands on women. You are Muslims. This is un-Islamic." They responded by blocking her way with an armored vehicle.

The former prime minister had planned to defy a ban on public gatherings and address a rally in nearby Rawalpindi, where police used tear gas and batons to chase off hundreds of supporters who staged wildcat protests and hurled stones. Dozens were arrested.

Further afield, a suicide bombing at the home of a government minister in the northwestern city of Peshawar killed four people. Minister for Political Affairs Amir Muqam was unhurt.

The attack underscored the threat posed by religious extremists in this Islamic nation that President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Bhutto are sparring over. It was cited by Musharraf as the primary reason for imposing the state of emergency last Saturday.

But most of the thousands of people rounded up countrywide since have been moderates — lawyers and activists from secular opposition parties, such as Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party. The mass detentions have fueled criticism that Musharraf — who seized power in a 1999 coup — declared the emergency to maintain his own grip on power.

Friday's crackdown showed that Musharraf was not letting up on his political rivals, despite saying a day earlier that parliamentary elections would go ahead by mid-February, just a month later than originally planned. His announcement came after intense pressure from the United States, his chief international supporter.

It also dimmed prospects that Bhutto and Musharraf would soon form an alliance against Islamic extremists that Washington has pushed for.

Speaking to reporters by phone between her two attempts to escape her home, Bhutto said her supporters would "continue to fight for democracy and the rule of law." She also repeated demands that Musharraf step down as army chief by next week, when his presidential term expires.

Bhutto's decision to join in anti-government protests against Musharraf is another blow to the military leader whose popularity has plummeted this year amid growing resentment of military rule and failure by his government to curb Taliban and al-Qaida militants.

Scores of police, some in riot gear, monitored Bhutto's supporters outside her house as they repeatedly tried to remove barbed wire and steel and concrete barriers.

At least 30 Bhutto supporters were arrested, including a woman who showed up with flowers. An old bearded man who showed up with a sharp machete and a goat he planned to sacrifice to bring Bhutto good luck was simply shooed away by police.

There was confusion over whether authorities had served Bhutto with a formal detention order. Officials said they had, but Bhutto's aides said they had not received it — and would not accept it. An intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to media, said Bhutto was ordered detained for 30 days, but the government did not confirm that.

Bhutto twice tried to leave for Rawalpindi inside a white Landcruiser with tinted windows, surrounded by about 50 supporters, including several lawmakers.

After being turned back a second time, her way blocked by an armored vehicle, she got out of her car and joined her supporters, who chanted "Go Musharraf Go!" She then delivered an address heard by reporters on the other side of the barricades.

"I want to tell you to have courage because this battle is against dictatorship and it will be won by the people," she told her followers.

Her supporters said they would only be further emboldened by Friday's clampdown.

"We are going to besiege" Islamabad, said Abida Hussain, a former ambassador to the United States. "We will not go away. Our party activists have been mobilized to move out and take to the streets."

Authorities appeared determined to stop them. Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party, or PPP, claimed Friday that 5,000 of its supporters had been arrested in the last three days across the eastern province of Punjab. But security officials said only 1,100 had been detained.

In Rawalpindi, the normally bustling city near Islamabad where Bhutto had planned to hold her rally Friday, hundreds of police — some on horseback, motorcycles or in armored vehicles — kept a tight grip on the largely empty streets and moved fast against any hint of protest.

There were repeated clashes between stone-throwing protesters, who set piles of garbage and tires on fire in the streets, and police, who at times fired tear gas shells from an armored personnel carrier.

Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema said authorities had stopped the rally because suicide bombers had gathered in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.

"The rally was stopped only and only because of our security concerns," he said on state-run Pakistan Television.

Rawalpindi's mayor had earlier in the day warned of a "credible report" that six or seven bombers were preparing a repeat of last month's attack of Bhutto's jubilant homecoming procession in the southern city of Karachi after eight years of exile. She escaped unharmed, but more than 145 people died in the attack, blamed on Islamic militants.

Rawalpindi has also been hit by a series of suicide attacks, targeting the military.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071109/ap_on_re_as/pakistan;_ylt=AkvFNz481pXELXUS1gzU40Os0NUE

Wabash
11-09-2007, 01:09 PM
I saw that coming.......

Saguaro
11-09-2007, 01:58 PM
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was freed from house arrest late on Friday, hours after she was stopped from leaving her Islamabad home to lead a rally against the president's imposition of emergency rule.

"The detention order has been withdrawn," said Aamir Ali Ahmed, Acting Deputy Commissioner of Islamabad.

Earlier in the day police prevented Bhutto from leaving her home and sealed off the capital and the nearby city of Rawalpindi to stop a rally against President Pervez Musharraf.

Bhutto, the politician most capable of galvanizing mass protests against Musharraf's imposition of emergency rule, appealed to police to let her through their cordon.

"The government has been paralyzed," Bhutto shouted to supporters across a barbed-wire barricade.

"If he restores the constitution, takes off his uniform, gives up the office of the chief of army staff and announces an election by January 15, then it's okay," she said, vowing defiance if Musharraf did not comply.

Musharraf, who took power in a bloodless 1999 coup, said on Thursday elections would be held by February 15, about a month later than they were due.

He also said he would quit as army chief and be sworn in as a civilian president once new judges appointed to the Supreme Court struck down challenges against his re-election.

It remains to be seen whether Musharraf, who had viewed Bhutto as a potential ally, can control events set in train by his shock decision last Saturday to impose emergency rule and suspend the constitution.

RELEASE JUDGES

He has sacked most of the country's judges, putting senior officials -- including former chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry -- under house arrest, and ordered police to round up the majority of the opposition leadership and anyone else deemed troublesome.

The White House said earlier on Friday it remained concerned about the continued state of emergency "and curtailment of basic freedoms" in Pakistan.

"Former prime minister (Benazir) Bhutto and other political party members must be permitted freedom of movement and all protesters released," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the White House National Security Council.

An Interior Ministry spokesman said 2,500 people had been detained since the emergency was declared at the weekend, though Bhutto's Pakistan Peoples' Party say 5,000 of their activists have been picked up in the past couple of days.

Police fired tear gas to disperse protesters in Rawalpindi, where Bhutto planned to lead a rally. Barbed-wire barricades were erected on all roads leading to the venue.

A suicide bomb attack killed 139 people at a procession in Karachi to welcome Bhutto's return to Pakistan after eight years of self-imposed exile on October 18.

The government blamed Islamist militants angry at her backing of Musharraf's alliance with the United States.

Bhutto has also planned a motorcade from Lahore on November 13 as part of a mass agitation.

U.S. WORRIED

Under fire from Western allies and the international community, and with an angry Bhutto on his doorstep, Musharraf has become increasingly isolated, fuelling concern about instability in nuclear-armed Pakistan.

"The concern I have is that the longer the internal problems continue, the more distracted the Pakistani army and security services will be in terms of the internal situation rather than focusing on the terrorist threat in the frontier area," U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Friday.

A suspected suicide blast at the home of Political Affairs Minister Amir Muqam in the northwestern city of Peshawar killed three people on Friday, state-run Pakistan Television said. The minister was unhurt.

Police had earlier wielded batons and fired teargas to disperse hundreds of opposition protesters in Peshawar and a nearby town on Friday, police and witnesses said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071109/ts_nm/pakistan_dc;_ylt=Ama8Nu4.h4LiQK9nBGP2lHSs0NUE

Wabash
11-09-2007, 04:13 PM
Thank you President Bush for putting pressure on the Pakistani Govt.!:theman

Ringo
11-09-2007, 04:30 PM
Thank you President Bush for putting pressure on the Pakistani Govt.!:theman

Gosh ya mean it wasn't Dirty Harry Reid, who strikes fear in the hearts of many cocker spaniels and Chihuahua's??

April15
11-09-2007, 04:39 PM
I doubt Bush has meant anything to Pakistan. I think it was the thought of revolution that caused most of todays action.

Bush take notice. You pull this kind of crap here and we will not stand for it!

Wabash
11-09-2007, 04:45 PM
I doubt Bush has meant anything to Pakistan. I think it was the thought of revolution that caused most of todays action.

Bush take notice. You pull this kind of crap here and we will not stand for it!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! the USA is still one of the most powerful nations in the world and when Bush talks, people DO listen!

April15
11-09-2007, 04:49 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! the USA is still one of the most powerful nations in the world and when Bush talks, people DO listen!
You are mistaken. The world knows we are just about bankrupt from his war in Iraq. No nation has any fear of US anymore. We are in essence impotent!

Trueblue
11-09-2007, 05:14 PM
Thank you President Bush for putting pressure on the Pakistani Govt.!:theman

Haaaahhhhaaahha. Yeah, Bush is putting the pressure on them. Sure he is.

Semantics
11-09-2007, 05:20 PM
Haaaahhhhaaahha. Yeah, Bush is putting the pressure on them. Sure he is.

He is.


He's saying, "Stop drawing attention to yourselves and looking scary when I'm trying to start a war with your less frightening neighbor, Iran."


:lol

Trueblue
11-09-2007, 05:21 PM
He is.


He's saying, "Stop drawing attention to yourselves and looking scary when I'm trying to start a war with your less frightening neighbor, Iran."


:lol

:lmao

That Benazir is something else. I heard her described on NPR as a "master of political theater".

Talk about understatement!!!

Wabash
11-09-2007, 08:24 PM
You are mistaken. The world knows we are just about bankrupt from his war in Iraq. No nation has any fear of US anymore. We are in essence impotent!

We aren't just about bankrupt and we have considerable muscle to flex if need be...you severely underestimate President Bush and the US power!

Haaaahhhhaaahha. Yeah, Bush is putting the pressure on them. Sure he is.

Of course he is TB...I don't expect you to know anything about that or believe it either! There is considerable back channel activity going on as we speak and for the last several days...

He is.


He's saying, "Stop drawing attention to yourselves and looking scary when I'm trying to start a war with your less frightening neighbor, Iran."


:lol

He's not trying to start a war with Iran, he is using diplomacy, just like he did with NK.......you guys really underestimate what is going on......and just because there is a military plan in place, doesn't mean anything...there are plans for all kinds of scenarios...
BTW....NK has started dismantling their reactor...geeee, Hello!...Bush did it!

Trueblue
11-09-2007, 08:28 PM
Bush has put some pressure on Musharraf, but he can't put a lot of pressure on him, Wabash.

Wabash
11-09-2007, 08:32 PM
Bush has put some pressure on Musharraf, but he can't put a lot of pressure on him, Wabash.

Yes...and Bhutto is no longer under arrest...I think that was Bush and nothing but Bush that made him reverse his actions over there...
Liberals silly Hate for Bush really causes them to underestimate what he still can do...

Trueblue
11-09-2007, 08:57 PM
Yes...and Bhutto is no longer under arrest...I think that was Bush and nothing but Bush that made him reverse his actions over there...
Liberals silly Hate for Bush really causes them to underestimate what he still can do...

I have heard analysis that said that Musharraf has been surprised at world reaction.

But Bush has been in bed with this guy for a while, and he's not able, politically speaking, to really do much to him. However, considering the situation, Bush had little choice but to make friends with somebody in the region, and the world badly needed to get Pakistan on our side, by any means necessary, including the massive bribes we pay each year to Musharraf's government.

Bush has made a big deal about democracy in the ME, and there is a lot of egg on Bush's face right now.

PS, your hatred for Clinton blinds you to what he did and can still do. You project a lot of your own emotions onto others.

April15
11-09-2007, 09:09 PM
Can Bush just die? That would be great! As for the power of America me thinks to many right wingers don't understand how stretched we are militarily. When you have tours of duty extended from 12 to 18 months and no new troops to take over for those not re enlisting you are stretched.

issac the dragon
11-09-2007, 09:10 PM
Bush is doing the same thing in Pakistan that we did in Iran that caused the problems there today. When we finally tried to actually help Iran, it was too late. We were so despised by the Irani people for supporting the Shah that they would have done anything we were opposed to.

Once again we will do too little too late. We cannot support dictators and expect the people in those countries to respect us. But we will keep trying. In the last 50 years this country has not found a right wing dictator we did not love.

April15
11-09-2007, 09:40 PM
Bush is doing the same thing in Pakistan that we did in Iran that caused the problems there today. When we finally tried to actually help Iran, it was too late. We were so despised by the Irani people for supporting the Shah that they would have done anything we were opposed to.

Once again we will do too little too late. We cannot support dictators and expect the people in those countries to respect us. But we will keep trying. In the last 50 years this country has not found a right wing dictator we did not love.
They have screwed up this nation so bad that they have to export failure.

Wabash
11-09-2007, 10:32 PM
I have heard analysis that said that Musharraf has been surprised at world reaction.

But Bush has been in bed with this guy for a while, and he's not able, politically speaking, to really do much to him. However, considering the situation, Bush had little choice but to make friends with somebody in the region, and the world badly needed to get Pakistan on our side, by any means necessary, including the massive bribes we pay each year to Musharraf's government.

Bush has made a big deal about democracy in the ME, and there is a lot of egg on Bush's face right now.

PS, your hatred for Clinton blinds you to what he did and can still do. You project a lot of your own emotions onto others.

I never hated Clinton...I don't hate anyone, never have...how many times do I have to tell you this? Now hillary, she may just cause me to learn what hate is...but I don't hate her either...not right now.

Can Bush just die? That would be great! As for the power of America me thinks to many right wingers don't understand how stretched we are militarily. When you have tours of duty extended from 12 to 18 months and no new troops to take over for those not re enlisting you are stretched.

Now....April knows Hate and that's just fine and dandy with you bozos!

Bush is doing the same thing in Pakistan that we did in Iran that caused the problems there today. When we finally tried to actually help Iran, it was too late. We were so despised by the Irani people for supporting the Shah that they would have done anything we were opposed to.

Once again we will do too little too late. We cannot support dictators and expect the people in those countries to respect us. But we will keep trying. In the last 50 years this country has not found a right wing dictator we did not love.

The Shah was a Great ally and Carter fucked that up! He fucked up a lot of stuff...piss poor President!
They have screwed up this nation so bad that they have to export failure.
Nonsense...utter nonsense!

April15
11-09-2007, 10:52 PM
Now....April knows Hate and that's just fine and dandy with you bozos!



Loathing is more intense than hate. As to anyone else thinking it is just dandy I doubt they find it that way. I think it is more like speaking the feelings of Americans fed up with the head BOZO, Bush.

Ringo
11-10-2007, 08:48 AM
I have heard analysis that said that Musharraf has been surprised at world reaction.

But Bush has been in bed with this guy for a while, and he's not able, politically speaking, to really do much to him. However, considering the situation, Bush had little choice but to make friends with somebody in the region, and the world badly needed to get Pakistan on our side, by any means necessary, including the massive bribes we pay each year to Musharraf's government.

Bush has made a big deal about democracy in the ME, and there is a lot of egg on Bush's face right now.

PS, your hatred for Clinton blinds you to what he did and can still do. You project a lot of your own emotions onto others.

Clinton use to woo fat ugly young interns, these days he hangs around a fat ugly POTUS candidate, so yea, he is slipping! He never was anything but in your mind TB, he is a Traitor, sex criminal, drug head, and most likely a murder for hire wimp!! Oh wait he won a MAJOR battle against innocent Women & Children in Waco, I forgot!!

Trueblue
11-10-2007, 09:00 AM
Honestly, I don't think Bush had much choice but to ally us to Pakistan, if we were going to fight Afghanistan.

Saguaro
11-10-2007, 09:03 AM
Back to topic :toetap Ringo

Wabash
11-10-2007, 01:31 PM
Honestly, I don't think Bush had much choice but to ally us to Pakistan, if we were going to fight Afghanistan.

Agreed!