The Dollar is crashing badly

[Yellowdogtexan]

I saw that the dollar is at all time lows and should go lower. Last year I paid the living expense for my son while he spent a year abroad in London and those expense were painful. I am glad that he is back in the states because it would be unreal to pay the exchange rate right now.

[Wabash]

I saw that the dollar is at all time lows and should go lower. Last year I paid the living expense for my son while he spent a year abroad in London and those expense were painful. I am glad that he is back in the states because it would be unreal to pay the exchange rate right now.

That's why I'm not going to Europe this year....spend the money at home...Support America!

[toxic]

Stock market opened at -320 points. (minus 320 points)

I don't recall ever having seen anything like that before.

The bill collector has arrived for the Bush tax cuts.

[toxic]

Stock market opened at -320 points. (minus 320 points)

I don't recall ever having seen anything like that before.

The bill collector has arrived for the Bush tax cuts.

Wow I have two data streams and they conflict.

Just corrected. -40 points not -400 points

My apologies.

[patriotsblade]

The dollar is at a 30 year low vs. the Norwegian Kroner.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDNOK=X

I'm doing a lot of internet shopping these days.

[Love]

The Canadian dollar closed at 1.10 yesterday, an all time high. :para

[Sassafras]

The Aussie $ is at an all time high too - too bad I don't have any... :kickcan

[Wabash]

Wow I have two data streams and they conflict.

Just corrected. -40 points not -400 points

My apologies.

So the Tax cuts are ok now?

The dollar is at a 30 year low vs. the Norwegian Kroner.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDNOK=X

I'm doing a lot of internet shopping these days.
I'm not doing any shopping...I'm hoarding...

The Canadian dollar closed at 1.10 yesterday, an all time high. :para

Good thing I went in June when it was .95....

The Aussie $ is at an all time high too - too bad I don't have any... :kickcan

Go buy some...I'm sticking with gold...

[April15]

You may be one of the few who have extra money.

[Wabash]

You may be one of the few who have extra money.

I plan ahead April....waaaaay ahead. My Dad taught me some of it after his experience with the Depression and I figured a lot out on my own....partly from watching liberals operate and "liberal agenda TV" like Law and Order!

The cops have it soooo easy in NY, because New Yawkers are like sheep...as are most libs. Easy to track via bridge tolls, subway tolls, cell phones, credit card charges, cameras everywhere.....all the socially PC ways to run your life. No place to hide stuff, too many witnesses to hoard food, water, gasoline, guns, ammo, gold, etc. Some don't even drive cars and never had a driver's license. The govt. controls their lives...a lot like socialist Russia. New Yorkers think they have freedom, as do the Europeans...but they don't know what REAL freedom is........what I have April, is by design, not by luck!

[Wabash]

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower"

Great words spoken by a Great American....Ike was a Republican...there was a reason for that.

Those last two words are what we experience now from the Ultra leftists...George Soros, Moveon.org. and a host of others...THEY are the enemy!

Thanks for this display of your signature April!

[April15]

I used to plan then I got sideswiped by trickle down economics. Now with the current economic problems I have had to readjust my plans again. It was so much better with Clinton than with the repubs. I even had more success with Carter as president.

[Wabash]

I used to plan then I got sideswiped by trickle down economics. Now with the current economic problems I have had to readjust my plans again. It was so much better with Clinton than with the repubs. I even had more success with Carter as president.

Two lives...one time so close and now so far apart.....Really April, I am sorry to know this...had we only known as kids, growing up in much the same neighborhood! Hey, btw, you weren't that bully that accosted me at Baldwin and The Drive in 1956, were you?

Naw ...he was a few years older than me and I think you are a tad younger....never mind.:D

[Trueblue]

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower"

Great words spoken by a Great American....Ike was a Republican...there was a reason for that.

Those last two words are what we experience now from the Ultra leftists...George Soros, Moveon.org. and a host of others...THEY are the enemy!

Thanks for this display of your signature April!

Wow, did you ever miss the point of what Ike said.

[Wabash]

Wow, did you ever miss the point of what Ike said.

Ok, I'm game...show me! I will stand corrected if you can.

[April15]

Two lives...one time so close and now so far apart.....Really April, I am sorry to know this...had we only known as kids, growing up in much the same neighborhood! Hey, btw, you weren't that bully that accosted me at Baldwin and The Drive in 1956, were you?

Naw ...he was a few years older than me and I think you are a tad younger....never mind.:DThe gas station or the college or KofC?

[April15]

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower"

Great words spoken by a Great American....Ike was a Republican...there was a reason for that.

Those last two words are what we experience now from the Ultra leftists...George Soros, Moveon.org. and a host of others...THEY are the enemy!

Thanks for this display of your signature April!

I chose DDI because he knew that dissent was necessary to a republic to keep it's elected representatives responsive to the PEOPLE. At this time the elected representatives represent the interests of lobbiests or themself or big Business. The time for honest dissent is most urgent now!

[Wabash]

The gas station or the college or KofC?

K of C..........


The Mobil station was owned by Harold Rudd....he originally owned the Signal station on the sw corner of Poplar and The Drive...then sold it and moved to Baldwin and SM Drive...He garnered a lot of clientele from Hillsborough and West San Mateo and did real well for about 20 years or so...than, he semi retired and moved to Sonora and opened a sttion up there...that's the last we heard of him...I really miss those old stations....
Do you remember the tiny Signal station on Bayshore Blvd. somewhere near the intersection of Bayswater?....it was a trianglular piece of land that is still there, but I think empty now...used as a parking lot.......a little old bald headed man used to own it..

[Wabash]

The dollar is in no danger of losing its status as the world's top reserve currency, says Morgan Stanley Asia Chairman Stephen Roach.

Speaking to reporters at a Beijing finance forum, Roach said that the headlines proclaiming the dollar's decline are not surprising. He suggested that the decline is consistent with how other currencies behave over time.

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"It's a mistaken idea for people to think that a reserve currency can't often move up and down," Roach said. "The dumping of U.S. dollars has more to do with investors' concerns about the state of the U.S. current account deficit and less to do with people's confidence in the currency."

"People aren't losing confidence in the dollar as the world currency," he said.

The dollar touched a new record low against the euro and other competing currencies after Fed chief Ben Bernanke told Congress' Joint Economic Committee that the U.S. economy would slow in the coming quarter.

Gold, a traditional investor safe haven, also spiked higher.

Roach nevertheless told reporters that the U.S. dollar would remain the main reserve currency for the next 15 to 20 years.

He disputed the notion, recently promoted by investor Jim Rogers, that the Chinese yuan would displace the dollar. The dollar is currently 65 percent of the world's reserve currency.

"There's no way the yuan can even approach the dollar's status as the world currency. The dollar's status is very much intact," Roach said.

Roach said that the yen, euro, pound and Swiss franc would become more prominent over time, and he accepted that that yuan would gain importance, albeit slowly.

"Over time, we can expect a realignment of this," Roach said. "It's true that central banks around the world will hold more yuan-denominated assets over time."

[Wabash]

Ok April, I used Google Earth to locate it and I think it's Burlingame Ave. and Bayshore Blvd....it is a parking lot now...the photo shows several cars/trucks parked there..

[Lone Laugher]

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower"

Great words spoken by a Great American....Ike was a Republican...there was a reason for that.

Those last two words are what we experience now from the Ultra leftists...George Soros, Moveon.org. and a host of others...THEY are the enemy!

Thanks for this display of your signature April!


Really.....your emphasis is on the wrong two words. The way YOU read it promotes facism. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

[toxic]

The dollar is in no danger of losing its status as the world's top reserve currency, says Morgan Stanley Asia Chairman Stephen Roach. ...

"It's a mistaken idea for people to think that a reserve currency can't often move up and down," Roach said. "The dumping of U.S. dollars has more to do with investors' concerns about the state of the U.S. current account deficit and less to do with people's confidence in the currency." ...

Roach nevertheless told reporters that the U.S. dollar would remain the main reserve currency for the next 15 to 20 years.
...

Roach said that the yen, euro, pound and Swiss franc would become more prominent over time, and he accepted that that yuan would gain importance, albeit slowly. ...

Gosh, I read this very differently. Alan greenspan also said the dollar is in a permanet state of decline.

The "U.S. current account deficit" is our trade deficit. We absolutely cannot recover from having huge trade deficits now.

1) It would take 20 years to rebuild our manufacturing capability.
2) It would require US workers working for $5 per week.
3) 15 years is optimistic, but still not very long.

America has been dismantled by the Bush Neo-Cons that have wanted to create a peasant class. They have won. I see no way to reverse the coming events now.

You Republicans have stood by and applauded it happening. Some people can only learn from personal experience. You will soon have the chance.

There are dozens of factors and I am sick of publishing them.

I hope your kids repay you.

[Wabash]

Really.....your emphasis is on the wrong two words. The way YOU read it promotes facism. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I disagree on where my emphasis is according to you or TB!!

Gosh, I read this very differently. Alan greenspan also said the dollar is in a permanet state of decline.

The "U.S. current account deficit" is our trade deficit. We absolutely cannot recover from having huge trade deficits now.

1) It would take 20 years to rebuild our manufacturing capability.
2) It would require US workers working for $5 per week.
3) 15 years is optimistic, but still not very long.

America has been dismantled by the Bush Neo-Cons that have wanted to create a peasant class. They have won. I see no way to reverse the coming events now.

You Republicans have stood by and applauded it happening. Some people can only learn from personal experience. You will soon have the chance.

There are dozens of factors and I am sick of publishing them.

I hope your kids repay you.

I disagree with you too! Just like in the farce of GW, the sky is NOT falling.
btw, US productivity is up....

[Wabash]

Can you guys ever say..."good post" or agree with me on anything?

[Lone Laugher]

When you post something that I agree with...or when you contribute a good post, I will gladly do so.

[Lone Laugher]

Oh....and until you own up to your previous act of plagiarism and convince everyone that you will not do that again....how are we to know if your posts are really YOUR posts?

[toxic]

...I disagree with you too! Just like in the farce of GW, the sky is NOT falling.
btw, US productivity is up....


I wish someone would "get it". Productivity is insignificant to what I am refering to.

We can only balance our trade deficit (Account Balance) by selling something to people in another country.

We have destroyed our economy that "Created" and we now pretend that running around "Servicing" each other has some value in the world. It does not. Firemen, Policemen, Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers, Gardeners, Military, Marketers, Retailers, ... all do nothing that we can sell to get US dollars out of circulation in the world.

The hundreds of billions of dollar added to our Trade Deficit each year is replentished by paper (Fiat) money printed by the US Treasury. It is exactly as bad as National Debt, but very few citizens realize it.

We are continually adding printed (Fiat) money to the world supply that has no value.

The Fiat money printed now is worth NOTHING. We are simply averaging it with our money value from past decades.

Bush has now average it down to 30% of the value it was when he took office. Each time FED/FOMC Bernake drops the discount rate, as he is promising to do for the subprime isssue, will drop the value of the dollar even more.

Summary:
World economists know the USA is BANKRUPT. They will increasingly resist taking any more of our currency. This will make it hard to buy oil or anything else.

[Trueblue]

I disagree on where my emphasis is according to you or TB!!



I disagree with you too! Just like in the farce of GW, the sky is NOT falling.
btw, US productivity is up....

I think it's pretty obvious that Ike didn't mean that his political opponents, who would have included folks like Soros, were unpatriotic. You are using it to bash people who disagree with you, and then you wonder why they don't tell you that they like your posts?

I wish someone would "get it". Productivity is insignificant to what I am refering to.

We can only balance our trade deficit (Account Balance) by selling something to people in another country.

We have destroyed our economy that "Created" and we now pretend that running around "Servicing" each other has some value in the world. It does not. Firemen, Policemen, Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers, Gardeners, Military, Marketers, Retailers, ... all do nothing that we can sell to get US dollars out of circulation in the world.

The hundreds of billions of dollar added to our Trade Deficit each year is replentished by paper (Fiat) money printed by the US Treasury. It is exactly as bad as National Debt, but very few citizens realize it.

We are continually adding printed (Fiat) money to the world supply that has no value.

The Fiat money printed now is worth NOTHING. We are simply averaging it with our money value from past decades.

Bush has now average it down to 30% of the value it was when he took office. Each time FED/FOMC Bernake drops the discount rate, as he is promising to do for the subprime isssue, will drop the value of the dollar even more.

Summary:
World economists know the USA is BANKRUPT. They will increasingly resist taking any more of our currency. This will make it hard to buy oil or anything else.

I have wondered about this. We are producing less and less. However some of our services are of value to ourselves and others in the world, particularly expertise in medical care.

[toxic]

... I have wondered about this. We are producing less and less. However some of our services are of value to ourselves and others in the world, particularly expertise in medical care.

Anything we can sell (Product or Service) on the world market is good to take USD$ out of circulation in the international currency markets.

[Wabash]

I wish someone would "get it". Productivity is insignificant to what I am refering to.

We can only balance our trade deficit (Account Balance) by selling something to people in another country.

We have destroyed our economy that "Created" and we now pretend that running around "Servicing" each other has some value in the world. It does not. Firemen, Policemen, Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers, Gardeners, Military, Marketers, Retailers, ... all do nothing that we can sell to get US dollars out of circulation in the world.

The hundreds of billions of dollar added to our Trade Deficit each year is replentished by paper (Fiat) money printed by the US Treasury. It is exactly as bad as National Debt, but very few citizens realize it.

We are continually adding printed (Fiat) money to the world supply that has no value.

The Fiat money printed now is worth NOTHING. We are simply averaging it with our money value from past decades.

Bush has now average it down to 30% of the value it was when he took office. Each time FED/FOMC Bernake drops the discount rate, as he is promising to do for the subprime isssue, will drop the value of the dollar even more.

Summary:
World economists know the USA is BANKRUPT. They will increasingly resist taking any more of our currency. This will make it hard to buy oil or anything else.

We are selling things to people in other countries....a lot of things!

I think it's pretty obvious that Ike didn't mean that his political opponents, who would have included folks like Soros, were unpatriotic. You are using it to bash people who disagree with you, and then you wonder why they don't tell you that they like your posts?



I have wondered about this. We are producing less and less. However some of our services are of value to ourselves and others in the world, particularly expertise in medical care.

I think Ike's words were pretty clear!
Yes...people worldwide need services. Look what a Great service Black Water has provided to diplomats and business people in Iraq!! Just one example!

Oh ya, I really don't care if the mutts here ever agree with me...they can't ...it's too scary!

[Kurtz]

Can you guys ever say..."good post" or agree with me on anything?

I've said 'good post' to you many times.
And despite the fact we probably agree on very little. :lmao

[toxic]

We are selling things to people in other countries....a lot of things! ...


Apparently, we are selling $700 Billion (2007) less than we are buying overseas.

That is about $2,500 for every man, woman and child in America, just for this year.

[Wabash]

I've said 'good post' to you many times.
And despite the fact we probably agree on very little. :lmao

Yes you have...and thank you...I didn't have you in mind when I said that...Q has even said on occassion that I make good points....some here recognize me....

Actually Kurtz, we agree on more than you realize!:zen

[Wabash]

Apparently, we are selling $700 Billion (2007) less than we are buying overseas.

That is about $2,500 for every man, woman and child in America, just for this year.

ok, there's room for improvment....:D

[toxic]

ok, there's room for improvment....:D

Oh, I may have underestimated for 2007.

In 2006 the trade debt was $763 Billion.

Check this thread.
http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=14139

[Wabash]

Oh, I may have underestimated for 2007.

In 2006 the trade debt was $763 Billion.

Check this thread.
http://forums.thepoliticalasylum.com/showthread.php?t=14139

The sky IS NOT falling!

[toxic]

The sky IS NOT falling!

That thread details the events that I have just lived through. It's no joke.

The rest of the country may get a GOOD SAMPLING OF IT THIS GO-AROUND.

People with advanced degrees accepting 40% pay cuts, tiny little cublicals, and lower level positions and still cannot get work. These people were competing with Illegal Immigrants for labor jobs.

There were parts of the country that were spared from that crash. Perhaps you live in one of them. I know Virginia and the NorthEast was spared.



Learn from the experience of others, you don't live long enough to make all the mistakes yourself.

(I forget who said that originally)

[Trueblue]

We are selling things to people in other countries....a lot of things!



I think Ike's words were pretty clear!
Yes...people worldwide need services. Look what a Great service Black Water has provided to diplomats and business people in Iraq!! Just one example!

Oh ya, I really don't care if the mutts here ever agree with me...they can't ...it's too scary!

Ike's words were quite clear, that's why it surprised me that you tried to change their meaning.

[Wabash]

Ike's words were quite clear, that's why it surprised me that you tried to change their meaning.

Oh ya, I tried to change em...Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Delusional at best TB...That be you...

That thread details the events that I have just lived through. It's no joke.

The rest of the country may get a GOOD SAMPLING OF IT THIS GO-AROUND.

People with advanced degrees accepting 40% pay cuts, tiny little cublicals, and lower level positions and still cannot get work. These people were competing with Illegal Immigrants for labor jobs.

There were parts of the country that were spared from that crash. Perhaps you live in one of them. I know Virginia and the NorthEast was spared.



Learn from the experience of others, you don't live long enough to make all the mistakes yourself.

(I forget who said that originally)
I like that...whoever said it is correct!
The thing is toxic, I've been in civil service over half my life and the private sector the reat of the time...no illegal immigrant beaner would ever qualify to do the jobs that I have done...

[Trueblue]

Oh ya, I tried to change em...Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Delusional at best TB...That be you...


I like that...whoever said it is correct!
The thing is toxic, I've been in civil service over half my life and the private sector the reat of the time...no illegal immigrant beaner would ever qualify to do the jobs that I have done...

Yes, you tried to alter his meaning. Ike meant exactly the opposite of what you said.

[Lone Laugher]

Oh ya, I tried to change em...Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Delusional at best TB...That be you...


I like that...whoever said it is correct!
The thing is toxic, I've been in civil service over half my life and the private sector the reat of the time...no illegal immigrant beaner would ever qualify to do the jobs that I have done...



That's a great post...you are a racist who thinks that he posesses some special skill. Great to know.

[Wabash]

Yes, you tried to alter his meaning. Ike meant exactly the opposite of what you said.

I disagree.........I'll go ask someone else, not on this board...see what I can find out

That's a great post...you are a racist who thinks that he posesses some special skill. Great to know.

Haaaaaaaaa! You libs sure love to throw around those labels..........

I'm saying that an illegal isn't going to get a cop job, a postal job or a beer driving job...period! Hell, it's very hard for a white man with college education to get those jobs anymore! A black man or latino have a better shot in some locals...an illegal... Never happen!

[Trueblue]

I disagree.........I'll go ask someone else, not on this board...see what I can find out



Haaaaaaaaa! You libs sure love to throw around those labels..........

I'm saying that an illegal isn't going to get a cop job, a postal job or a beer driving job...period! Hell, it's very hard for a white man with college education to get those jobs anymore! A black man or latino have a better shot in some locals...an illegal... Never happen!

You don't have to ask someone else. You just have to think. Ike was praising our process that allows dissent. Dissent is not unpatriotic. You cannot possibly be as shallow as you are pretending to be.

[Wabash]

My statement was in referrence to this statement by you:

"People with advanced degrees accepting 40% pay cuts, tiny little cublicals, and lower level positions and still cannot get work. These people were competing with Illegal Immigrants for labor jobs."

[Trueblue]

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower"

Great words spoken by a Great American....Ike was a Republican...there was a reason for that.

Those last two words are what we experience now from the Ultra leftists...George Soros, Moveon.org. and a host of others...THEY are the enemy!

Thanks for this display of your signature April!

Disagreeing with Republicans is not a sign of subversion. It is not a sign of disloyalty. You experience nothing of the sort from Moveon. They are not your enemy.

[Wabash]

You don't have to ask someone else. You just have to think. Ike was praising our process that allows dissent. Dissent is not unpatriotic. You cannot possibly be as shallow as you are pretending to be.

Ok, I'm going to go back and read it again...I think we are miscommunicating...Not the first time that's happened is it?

[Wabash]

Ok, I reread it for the 4th time.....I think the Left does confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion! I think Move on and Soros and others have hijacked the Demo Party and ARE subverting it!

Moveon and Soros are most certainly the enemy to me!!!

If you buy into them...I feel sorry for you, because I will NEVER do that!

[Trueblue]

Ok, I reread it for the 4th time.....I think the Left does confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion! I think Move on and Soros and others have hijacked the demo Party and ARE subverting it!

Moveon and Soros are most certainly the enemy to me!!!

If you buy into them...I feel sorry for you, because I will NEVER do that!

So it makes sense to you that you call me disloyal and subversive, and then I can call you the same thing back, simply because I am a Democrat and you are a Republican?

Amazing.

Of course, you can identify nothing that is subversive or disloyal, you simply make this accusation because they are liberal Democrats, and you are not. You don't get bogged down with figuring out what they have done that is subversive, it's enough that they don't agree with the Republican party.

It would be no big deal if this was just your point of view.

The problem is that the Republican party actually used this strategy successfully over a couple of election cycles. I sincerely hope it bites OFF the asses of the Rovians in this next election. It's shameful to call people unpatriotic for no reason other than that they disagree with you.

You absolutely do not agree with Ike's message. Ike was promoting discussion, and you are promoting fascism.

[toxic]

... The thing is toxic, I've been in civil service over half my life and the private sector the reat of the time...no illegal immigrant beaner would ever qualify to do the jobs that I have done...

Real white-collar jobs were not available locally, no matter what qualifications you had.

I was refering to the laid-off engineers, software, managers, ... trying to get short term jobs as cab drivers, construction, delivery, retail, etc.

Those guys had to compete with illegals and illegals had driven the wage down from $10-20/hour to $5/hr.

[Wabash]

So it makes sense to you that you call me disloyal and subversive, and then I can call you the same thing back, simply because I am a Democrat and you are a Republican?

Amazing.

Of course, you can identify nothing that is subversive or disloyal, you simply make this accusation because they are liberal Democrats, and you are not. You don't get bogged down with figuring out what they have done that is subversive, it's enough that they don't agree with the Republican party.

It would be no big deal if this was just your point of view.

The problem is that the Republican party actually used this strategy successfully over a couple of election cycles. I sincerely hope it bites OFF the asses of the Rovians in this next election. It's shameful to call people unpatriotic for no reason other than that they disagree with you.

You absolutely do not agree with Ike's message. Ike was promoting discussion, and you are promoting fascism.

Whoa Nellie! I didn't directly say that about you...I think I said some of you...using a general you..I identify it when it comes up and have in the past...can't think of anything specific right now ...

You may call it a strategy, I think in many cases and with many people it is the Truth!
I don't promtoe facism anymore than I promote gayism or liberalism...that's just the way you perceive it....of course, I've done a gotchya so many times I lost count. So have many others on other forums...that is why you came to this one right....to get away from the gotchyas? :rofl2

[issac the dragon]

I disagree.........I'll go ask someone else, not on this board...see what I can find out



Haaaaaaaaa! You libs sure love to throw around those labels..........

I'm saying that an illegal isn't going to get a cop job, a postal job or a beer driving job...period! Hell, it's very hard for a white man with college education to get those jobs anymore! A black man or latino have a better shot in some locals...an illegal... Never happen!

The job of delivering the mail, especially in rural areas has changed in recent years. The jobs are now posted, people bid on them, and the lowest bidder gets the job. No benifits. Many mail carriers are now working for the minimum wage. Only because the government doesn't allow someone to agree to work for less. And you will see illegals doing the job. If they can't find a bid from an American to work for the minimum wage, they will give the job to the illegal and claim they didn't know he was illega. The post office is going the same way private business has gone.

[Trueblue]

Whoa Nellie! I didn't directly say that about you...I think I said some of you...using a general you..I identify it when it comes up and have in the past...can't think of anything specific right now ...

I am a liberal.

You may call it a strategy, I think in many cases and with many people it is the Truth!

I know it's a strategy. To call loyal Americans unpatriotic because they are liberals or Democrats or disagree with the war in Iraq is a slimy strategy practiced by Republican strategists.

I don't promtoe facism anymore than I promote gayism or liberalism...that's just the way you perceive it....of course, I've done a gotchya so many times I lost count. So have many others on other forums...that is why you came to this one right....to get away from the gotchyas? :rofl2

You absolutely are promoting fascism. I can't help it if you don't realize it. You want dissent to be whether we bomb Iran today or next Tuesday.

[Lone Laugher]

Yeah, Wabby...we are all running around trying to evade you and your "gotchya's"

You really do have an incredible ego, don't you. You really think that you bring up salient points. Amazing.

Please...keep us all on our toes....it's hard, but we'll all try and live up to your example of brilliant debate.

[Trueblue]

And the reason it matters is not because of Wabash, he's just one guy on a forum. The reason it matters is because this lie got us into this blasted war in Iraq that has killed our soldiers, drained our treasury, diluted our influence in the world, and distracted us from protecting our citizens from terrorism.

[Trueblue]

And one more thing! All of us out here, us ordinary people who just listened to the news reports and noticed that there were cracks in the story the Bushies told, WE WERE RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. And not once have the Bushies ever admitted that. Not once. They just keep lying their stupid asses off.

[Wabash]

The job of delivering the mail, especially in rural areas has changed in recent years. The jobs are now posted, people bid on them, and the lowest bidder gets the job. No benifits. Many mail carriers are now working for the minimum wage. Only because the government doesn't allow someone to agree to work for less. And you will see illegals doing the job. If they can't find a bid from an American to work for the minimum wage, they will give the job to the illegal and claim they didn't know he was illega. The post office is going the same way private business has gone.
Now THAT I didn't know...probably because around here, there are no hispanics or blacks doing the mail.....and you must be talking rural routes with their own vehicles...

I am a liberal.



I know it's a strategy. To call loyal Americans unpatriotic because they are liberals or Democrats or disagree with the war in Iraq is a slimy strategy practiced by Republican strategists.



You absolutely are promoting fascism. I can't help it if you don't realize it. You want dissent to be whether we bomb Iran today or next Tuesday.

I don't want to bomb Iran or anyone else. I don't want to go to war with anyone either.....but, ya can't let bullies run roughshod over ya !

Yeah, Wabby...we are all running around trying to evade you and your "gotchya's"

You really do have an incredible ego, don't you. You really think that you bring up salient points. Amazing.

Please...keep us all on our toes....it's hard, but we'll all try and live up to your example of brilliant debate.

Incredible ego? I have basically a benign ego! You read me entirely wrong.
I do bring up many salient points. I'm not saying I'm a brilliant debater, I'm just an avg. guy expressing my opinion and pointing out occassional real life experiences. I also present you died in the wool libs with an alternative viewpoint...which most of the time your arrogance dismisses out of hand as you do with me...

And the reason it matters is not because of Wabash, he's just one guy on a forum. The reason it matters is because this lie got us into this blasted war in Iraq that has killed our soldiers, drained our treasury, diluted our influence in the world, and distracted us from protecting our citizens from terrorism.

To some extent, this is true.

And one more thing! All of us out here, us ordinary people who just listened to the news reports and noticed that there were cracks in the story the Bushies told, WE WERE RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG. And not once have the Bushies ever admitted that. Not once. They just keep lying their stupid asses off.

I don't think anyone would TB...then again, he was wrong about the WMDs, but not about the need to go to the ME! We took the fight to them...and that was a good move!

[April15]

On the work front here is some happy data. Interpret as you wish.
How a Economic Crash affected workers.
If you wonder how Off-Shoring of jobs may affect you some day, please review what happened in North Texas after the year 2000 economic crash.

Hundreds of thousands of high technology workers were laid-off in the Dallas-forth Worth area. At the same time, the US government accelerated issuing of H-1B Visas to foreign high tech workers.

This was an interesting report that showed the characteristics of high technology workers laid-off in the North Texas Area after the 2000 crash.

It rebutts claims that affected workers in America were uneducated, foreign, minority, female, etc.

Study was performed in 2002-2004, years after the initial crash.

DEMOGRAPHICS of 573 laid-off respondents (laid-off in last 5 years):

Average lay-off duration 13.6 months (at the time of questionaire)
Average work experience 23.5 years.

Lay-off history:
- 100% laid-off 1+ times
- 34 laid-off 2+ times
- 9% laid-off 3+ times

Pay cut taken for next job:
- 45% took a pay cut of over 40%.
- 35% took a pay cut between 20-40%.
- 13% took a pay cut between 10-20%.
- 10% took a pay cut between 1-10%.

Disposition:
- 45% remain unemployed.
- 25% employed full time.
- 15% self employed.
- 15% part time employed.

Education:
- 71% had college or associates degree.
- 32% had masters degree.
- 3% had doctorate degree.

Race:
- 79% Caucasian.

68% Men:
- 80% married.
- 76% had children.

32% Women:
- 44% married.
- 44% had children.

New job:
- 40% in industry unrelated to prior job.
- 50% was at lower hierarchical level.
- 48% feels their skills are not utilized on new job.

Age:
- 34% in forties.
- 29% in fifties.
- 13% in thirties.

NTTC, Univ or Texas Arlington Research Report:
http://www.nttc.ws/survey/layoff2004FINALAUG23.pdf

[Trueblue]

Now THAT I didn't know...probably because around here, there are no hispanics or blacks doing the mail.....and you must be talking rural routes with their own vehicles...



I don't want to bomb Iran or anyone else. I don't want to go to war with anyone either.....but, ya can't let bullies run roughshod over ya !



Incredible ego? I have basically a benign ego! You read me entirely wrong.
I do bring up many salient points. I'm not saying I'm a brilliant debater, I'm just an avg. guy expressing my opinion and pointing out occassional real life experiences. I also present you died in the wool libs with an alternative viewpoint...which most of the time your arrogance dismisses out of hand as you do with me...



To some extent, this is true.



I don't think anyone would TB...then again, he was wrong about the WMDs, but not about the need to go to the ME! We took the fight to them...and that was a good move!

It was an idiotic move to take the fight against terrorism to Iraq, because it was not a significant source of exported terrorism. Common sense should have dictated that we fight the terrorists. Duh.

[Oceanbreeze]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071113/wall_street.html?.v=15

Ouch..we lost ALOT. :sad

[Wabash]

Don't forget April, the Off Shore stuff started with Clinton after he signed NAFTA!

[Lone Laugher]

Yeah...and Bush got rid of NAFTA when he had the WH and the majority in Congress...er...uh...oops. No he didn't! Must have thought it was a good idea.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Yeah, Wabby...we are all running around trying to evade you and your "gotchya's"

You really do have an incredible ego, don't you. You really think that you bring up salient points. Amazing. One of the funniest things that I have seen on these boards was a claim by wabby that he was talking on a different level than the other posters. It was when he was making a really stupid point. wabby is amusing in that he is always wrong.

[Yellowdogtexan]

The NYT has a good piece on the stupidity of the bush policies with respect to the falling dollar. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/opinion/12mon2.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=sloginWhen asked about the administration’s policy on the dollar, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Jr. dutifully says a strong dollar is in the nation’s interest and that markets should determine currency exchange rates.

But these days, the stated desire for a strong dollar is on a collision course with the stated belief in market-determined exchange rates. Almost daily, the market is pushing the dollar to record lows against the euro and to fresh lows against other currencies, including the Canadian dollar, the pound and the yen. A near-term cause of the slide is the rising risk of recession in America. A deeper reason is that currency markets punish deeply indebted nations by pummeling their currencies.

So Mr. Paulson’s pat answer raises a more fundamental question: What, if anything, would the administration be willing — or able — to do if the dollar slid to unacceptable lows?

The dollar’s value is connected to Americans’ standard of living. In the United States, the quality of one’s economic life is determined largely by purchasing power. A weaker dollar could cut into purchasing power by raising the cost of imports for which, increasingly, there are no domestic substitutes. The dollar’s decline is already contributing to higher oil prices. For a variety of reasons, higher oil prices also tend to translate into higher food prices. The cost of oil and food are not counted when measuring “core inflation.” But the more they cost, the less Americans can afford of everything else.

A weaker dollar could also pressure consumers by driving up interest rates. If broad dollar-driven inflation threatened to take hold, the Federal Reserve would surely raise interest rates. But even in the absence of that, the buildup of debt during the Bush years virtually condemns the nation to borrowing for many years to come. An ongoing need to borrow in the face of a weakening dollar would push up interest rates, because creditors demand a higher return to invest in a depreciating currency.

A sharp decline in the currency would mean a sharp decline in living standards. A slower decline in the dollar would mean a slower decline in standards. The first would be a calamity. But the second is also unacceptable.

True, a weaker dollar boosts American exports and attracts foreign shoppers, but you can’t build a strong American economy on a declining dollar.

[Lone Laugher]

Oh...I think he's on a different level alright. There is no doubt about that.

[Kurtz]

One of the funniest things that I have seen on these boards was a claim by wabby that he was talking on a different level than the other posters. It was when he was making a really stupid point. wabby is amusing in that he is always wrong.

I think Wabby talks on a different level than other posters here. :yep



:devil

[Wabash]

One of the funniest things that I have seen on these boards was a claim by wabby that he was talking on a different level than the other posters. It was when he was making a really stupid point. wabby is amusing in that he is always wrong.

Pfffttt!

The NYT has a good piece on the stupidity of the bush policies with respect to the falling dollar. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/opinion/12mon2.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

NYT? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Makes a great daily fish wrapper!
Oh...I think he's on a different level alright. There is no doubt about that.

pffttt II!

I think Wabby talks on a different level than other posters here. :yep




:devil

Pffttt III!