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AYFR
11-07-2007, 06:31 AM
Fifty percent of adults would not vote for Clinton
Half of voting-age Americans say they would not vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) if she became the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, according to a Harris Interactive poll released Tuesday.

More than one in five Democrats that participated in the survey said they would not vote for Clinton. Overall, 36 percent say they would vote for the former first lady and 11 percent are unsure of their top choice.

Forty-eight percent of Independent voters also said that they would choose another candidate over Clinton, the poll, which surveyed 2,223 potential voters, states.

Fifty-six percent of men said that they would not vote for Clinton, while 45 percent of women said that she would not be their pick. In addition, 69 percent of those 62 and older said that they would not vote for Clinton.

Nearly half of the respondents said that they dislike Clinton’s political opinions and Clinton as a person. Fifty-two percent of people also said that “she does not appear to connect with people on a personal level.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/fifty-percent-of-americans-would-not-vote-for-clinton-2007-03-27.html

So if half the country is against you can you really get elected "LEGALLY"

Typical response
"Bush did it"

Now that is out of the way comments anyone.

issac the dragon
11-07-2007, 09:00 AM
When was the last election in which the 'winner' won by over 50%. I think it was when DDE was running.

I am a Libertarian who usually votes for a Democrat, as do over 70% of all Libertarians. Not because we are Democrats, but because the Republicans are worse than them. I won't throw away my vote by voting for someone who cannot win.

I do not like Clinton. I don't think she is a Democrat. I think she is a neo-con, and if elected the Democrats are going to be very shocked. None the less, I would vote for her rather than any Republican running. The same way I have always voted. While gagging.

VRWC
11-07-2007, 11:21 AM
I think she is a neo-con, and if elected the Democrats are going to be very shocked.

Now that is an interesting statement. I'm not being a smart-ass here, but what makes you think that about her? In my opinion, her "behavior" is that of a neo-con( to an extent), but her actions, voting record, and stances on issues certainly don't jive with that, in my opinion anyway.

And to answer your question Rev, I do not think she cxan get elected with negatives at or above 50%.

cassandra
11-07-2007, 11:37 AM
If Hillary is the Demo candidate I think that the Republicans stand the best chance to get into office. She is shady and over 50% of the people know it.

toxic
11-07-2007, 11:39 AM
I think AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) have already decided upon New Yorkers Clinton and Giuliani for us.

We never had a choice, we never do.

patriotsblade
11-07-2007, 11:44 AM
No GOP candidate currently in the running can beat Hillary Clinton in a general election unless she commits some type of political suicide, and let's face it, she's just too smart to do that.

VRWC
11-07-2007, 11:47 AM
No GOP candidate currently in the running can beat Hillary Clinton in a general election unless she commits some type of political suicide, and let's face it, she's just too smart to do that.

I just don't understand how you justify that when her negatives are regularly at or above 50%. That just makes absolutely no sense.

patriotsblade
11-07-2007, 11:56 AM
I just don't understand how you justify that when her negatives are regularly at or above 50%. That just makes absolutely no sense.

It's because the words "republican party" are now synonymous with failure, disaster, corruption, cronyism, criminality, and irresponsibility. If you can think of a way to turn around the image of your party in the next year good luck, but don't count on any on the boneheads running for your party's nomination to do it. My money says that despite the reservations some people (myself included) have about Hillary, they still won't be able to mark the 'R' on their ballot next year.

Wabash
11-07-2007, 01:16 PM
If Hillary is the Demo candidate I think that the Republicans stand the best chance to get into office. She is shady and over 50% of the people know it.
Shady doesn't begin to scratch the surface.......

No GOP candidate currently in the running can beat Hillary Clinton in a general election unless she commits some type of political suicide, and let's face it, she's just too smart to do that.

She has already dropped about 6 points over Obama, after her screwups in the debate last week. Billy boy is doing his best at damage control.
But Hillary flip flopped Big Time on the DL issue in NY! The AP gives her a pass on this...after hillary says "its too radioactive to talk about right now"! What the Hell is that bullshit????
She said she agreed with what Gov. Spitzer was trying to do...than she said the opposite! Tim Russert nailed her lying ass to the wall!

It's because the words "republican party" are now synonymous with failure, disaster, corruption, cronyism, criminality, and irresponsibility. If you can think of a way to turn around the image of your party in the next year good luck, but don't count on any on the boneheads running for your party's nomination to do it. My money says that despite the reservations some people (myself included) have about Hillary, they still won't be able to mark the 'R' on their ballot next year.

I think you misjudge people like me blade...and there are a LOT of people like me. The Silent Majority!
Furthermore, the Pubs aren't even warmed up yet in targeting Clinton...

Wabash
11-07-2007, 01:29 PM
Hillary playing the "woman card" is just as sleazy as anything else she does!
She said something like being a woman in the kitchen.....Haaaaaaaa...too funny, I wonder when the last time she was ever in the kitchen and cooked or prepared something for herself.

She was in charge of all the "Bimbo Eruptions" over 35 years and was the hatchet girl and yet she was in charge of the defense on the Paula Jones lawsuit, and botched it...damage control, lies and disinformation has been her job......she is evil, treacherous and a fraud. IMHO..

patriotsblade
11-07-2007, 01:37 PM
I think you misjudge people like me blade...and there are a LOT of people like me. The Silent Majority!


Wabby, of all the things you may be, the one I'll never accuse you of is being silent.

:blah
:rofl

VRWC
11-07-2007, 03:33 PM
It's because the words "republican party" are now synonymous with failure, disaster, corruption, cronyism, criminality, and irresponsibility. If you can think of a way to turn around the image of your party in the next year good luck, but don't count on any on the boneheads running for your party's nomination to do it. My money says that despite the reservations some people (myself included) have about Hillary, they still won't be able to mark the 'R' on their ballot next year.

What makes you think it is my party?

issac the dragon
11-07-2007, 03:47 PM
Clinton is a free trader, sending American jobs to other countries. She is pro-military industrial complex, and if she ever brings herself to oppose the war in Iraq, it will only be,IMO, because she wants to get at Bush. I truly believe she will support a new war in Iran. What makes you think she is a Democrat?

VRWC
11-07-2007, 03:56 PM
Clinton is a free trader, sending American jobs to other countries. She is pro-military industrial complex, and if she ever brings herself to oppose the war in Iraq, it will only be,IMO, because she wants to get at Bush. I truly believe she will support a new war in Iran. What makes you think she is a Democrat?

I didn't say she was a democrat. I find it hard to attach her to a party because of her shifting positions and changing ideas everyday. I do consider her a liberal, but not neccessarily associated with the democrats.

April15
11-07-2007, 04:09 PM
I will most likely vote for her because at this time no one else is qualified. She has had 8 years of white house experience.

toxic
11-07-2007, 05:26 PM
I'd like someone with these qualifications and experience over their career to be our Commander-In-Chief.

Retired General Wesley Clark:
- Retire 4 Star General.
- Valedictorian (1st in class) at West Point.
- Rhodes Scholar, with advanced degrees in Philosophy, Politics and Economics.
- Military Science Degree (Masters) from Command and General Staff College.
- Assigned Company Commander (Captain) in Vietnam.
- Rallied his company in a successful counterattack after being shot 4 times by enemy fire. Evac'd for wounds to his right shoulder, right hand, right hip, and right leg. Received Silver Star (with Valor).
- Led several military world Regional Commands, (e.g., Southern Command, European Command, and CENTCOMM also I think.
- Past Supreme Allied commander of NATO.
- Director, Strategic Plans and Policy, with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
- General Alexander Haig, and others named Clark the "most brilliant and gifted officer [they had] ever known." Or “Army's best and brightest”.
- Was sent to Bosnia by Sec of Defense Perry to serve as military advisor to the diplomatic negotiating team with Sec of State Holbrooke.
- When Sec of State Holbrooke, Deputy Sec of Defense Frasure, General Clark and others had an accident while taking sniper fire, Gen Clark rappelled down a cliff to recover two Americans who were killed.
- After this event President Clinton and Army Chief of Staff General Shalikashvili promoted Gen Clark from USSOUTHCOM to US European Command
- He led military Operation Allied Force for UN Resolution 1199, and implemented Peace Accords at Kosovo
- President Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright accepted Gen Clark’s strategic planning directly, rather than via Pentagon filtering.
- Advised Congress against Iraq invasion and detailed the potential problems that are now history.
- He is pro-choice, pro-healthcare, pro-education, etc.

Trueblue
11-07-2007, 05:29 PM
When they run her against Guliani [sp?] in the polls, she beats him, and he's the front runner.

She's the best known, and that's a part of her high negatives. People don't know enough about the other candidates to have a poor opinion of them yet.

And apparently "shady" means that you get accused of a lot of crap. Not that you've actually done anything wrong.

AYFR
11-07-2007, 06:00 PM
No GOP candidate currently in the running can beat Hillary Clinton in a general election unless she commits some type of political suicide, and let's face it, she's just too smart to do that.

You mean like she was smart enough to get fooled by the stupidest man on the planet.

April15
11-07-2007, 06:58 PM
I'd like someone with these qualifications and experience over their career to be our Commander-In-Chief.

Retired General Wesley Clark:
- Retire 4 Star General.
- Valedictorian (1st in class) at West Point.
- Rhodes Scholar, with advanced degrees in Philosophy, Politics and Economics.
- Military Science Degree (Masters) from Command and General Staff College.
- Assigned Company Commander (Captain) in Vietnam.
- Rallied his company in a successful counterattack after being shot 4 times by enemy fire. Evac'd for wounds to his right shoulder, right hand, right hip, and right leg. Received Silver Star (with Valor).
- Led several military world Regional Commands, (e.g., Southern Command, European Command, and CENTCOMM also I think.
- Past Supreme Allied commander of NATO.
- Director, Strategic Plans and Policy, with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
- General Alexander Haig, and others named Clark the "most brilliant and gifted officer [they had] ever known." Or “Army's best and brightest”.
- Was sent to Bosnia by Sec of Defense Perry to serve as military advisor to the diplomatic negotiating team with Sec of State Holbrooke.
- When Sec of State Holbrooke, Deputy Sec of Defense Frasure, General Clark and others had an accident while taking sniper fire, Gen Clark rappelled down a cliff to recover two Americans who were killed.
- After this event President Clinton and Army Chief of Staff General Shalikashvili promoted Gen Clark from USSOUTHCOM to US European Command
- He led military Operation Allied Force for UN Resolution 1199, and implemented Peace Accords at Kosovo
- President Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright accepted Gen Clark’s strategic planning directly, rather than via Pentagon filtering.
- Advised Congress against Iraq invasion and detailed the potential problems that are now history.
- He is pro-choice, pro-healthcare, pro-education, etc.

He may be well qualified but has no need for validation like the politicians do.