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Wabash
10-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Remember, 80% of Mosques have been placed and purchased in America, just in
the last 15 year!

Funding an Enemy

By Janet Levy
FrontPageMagazine.com

Last Friday, President Bush certified Saudi Arabia as a cooperative
anti-terrorism ally and released U.S. financial aid to Riyadh. This occurred
despite charges leveled against the "Kingdom" by Stuart Levey, the U.S.
Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, who one day after
the sixth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, declared
that Saudi Arabia had failed to prosecute terrorism financiers.

Levey voiced frustration that not a single terrorist supporter identified by
Washington had been prosecuted by the Saudis.

"If I could snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it
would be Saudi Arabia," a frustrated Levey told the press. "When the
evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terror organizations .
. . then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it
is."

Levey leads an office which marshals the Treasury Department's policy,
enforcement, regulatory and intelligence functions to sever the lines of
financial support to international terrorists, weapons of mass destruction
proliferators, narcotics traffickers, and other threats to our national
security. Yet, the United States blithely ignored the very person with the
best information whose job is to help stop terrorism and safeguard our
country.

Instead, we are providing U.S. aid to the world's top oil-producing country
which is also coincidentally the main financial and ideological sponsor of
Wahhabism or Islamic extremism. This austere form of Islam insists on a
literal interpretation of the Koran and spreads the belief that all those
who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. In effect,
we are funding our enemies. Even more outrageous, we are funding wealthy
enemies: a resource-rich country that is the largest source of financing for
Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists who have murdered hundreds of Americans and
Israelis.

The extent of Saudia Arabia's wealth frequently makes headlines. Recently,
Prince Al-Walid bin Talal, a member of the Saudi royal family, sold a 5%
share of the Kingdom Holding Company, one of the largest investment
companies in the world, for more than two and a half times its initial
public offering valuation. As a member of the Saudi royal family, Al-Walid
holds assets estimated at $20.3 billion and is deemed by Forbes Magazine as
the 13th wealthiest person in the world. The prince's major holdings include
Citibank, AOL, Apple, Inc., Worldcom, Motorola, News Corp, Planet Hollywood,
and numerous other companies. He alone is the largest foreign investor in
New York and his extensive real estate holdings including upscale hotel
chains and resorts. In July of 2005, Talal donated $20 million to the Louvre
in Paris, the largest donation ever received by the museum, for the
construction of a wing to house Islamic art.

In recent years, Talal has used his financial clout to influence American
foreign policy, shape media portrayals and promote Islamist ideology.
Following the 9/11 attacks, in which 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi
nationals, Al-Walid offered a $10 million donation to New York City toward
relief efforts and suggested that the U.S. should reexamine its allegedly
pro-Israel policies in the Middle East as the root cause of the attacks. The
donation was turned down.

Prince Talal gave $500,000 to the Council on American Islamic Relations
(CAIR), an un-indicted co-conspirator in the funding of Hamas, for
distribution to American public libraries of books that sanitize Islam and
terrorist organization activities. One book declares that terrorist groups
Hamas and Hezbollah were placed on the U.S. government's terrorist list, not
because of their well-documented terrorist operations, but because of the
pro-Israel bias of American leaders.

During the 2005 Muslim riots in France, Prince Talal, the fifth largest
shareholder of the parent company of Fox News, called network chief Rupert
Murdoch and demanded that a screen banner identifying the unrest as "Muslim
riots" be changed to "civil riots." The Prince maintained that the U.S.
media is too pro-Israel and he encouraged the Arab world and media to do
more to counter this tendency.

Further, Prince Talal has tried to influence U.S. Middle East policy by
donating $20 million each to Harvard University and Georgetown University,
among the largest university donations in history, to finance Islamic
studies and create a pro-Islamic environment among future and current policy
leaders. From a country that ironically routinely punishes practitioners of
Christianity, he declared that his primary reason for bestowing the gifts
was the promotion of "Muslim-Christian" understanding.

Of grave concern is another donation by the Prince to the Saudi Committee
for the Support of the al-Quds Intifada for $27 million given in 2002.
Although committee leadership attempted to portray the gift as assistance
for Arab-Palestinian families resisting the "occupation," documents captured
by the Israel Defense Forces indicated that the funds were payoffs for
suicide bombings used as enticements to murder by Hamas. A Saudi-government
cleric, Sheikh Saad al-Buraik, stated to television audiences viewing the
2002 fundraising telethon, "I am against America until this life ends.She is
the root of all evils and wickedness on Earth." He further urged listeners
to pillage the Jews, enslave their women and wage all-out jihad.

The travesty of U.S. funding for a wealthy terrorist-sponsoring nation is
further demonstrated by a 2005 study, "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology
Invade American Mosques" by Freedom House, a non-profit, nonpartisan
organization that seeks to advance the worldwide expansion of political and
economic freedom. Freedom House researchers found that over 80% of U.S.
mosques had been radicalized by Saudi-appointed, Wahhabist imams and
ideology. These Saudi-trained clerics, the ideological arm of the royal
family, advocate the rejection of Christianity and Judaism, the full
application of the Sharia or Islamic law in America, hatred of
non-believers, renunciation of allegiance to America and the waging of jihad
by all Muslims against infidels.

It is indeed troubling that U.S. leaders overlook the role that the Saudi
government plays in supporting terrorism worldwide and the spreading of
extremist ideology within America. It is the height of irony that while
Saudia Arabia bans churches and arrests Christians praying in private homes,
it is also freely funding a fifth column inside America in the form of
"religious" instruction. For President Bush to praise Saudi Arabia as an
"anti-terrorism" ally while Saudi-funded efforts within our borders are
undermining and threatening our very existence as a free nation, nullifies
American counter-terrorism measures and ignores the warnings of those
charged with protecting us. Such a decision dangerously ignores reality and
courts our own destruction.

Wabash
10-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Bush can be a Real Bozo sometimes...

issac the dragon
10-30-2007, 06:19 PM
The Bushies are not interested in establishing democracy. Their only interest in the ME is establishing rights to ME oil. The terrorists that they fight are trying to keep the English and American companies from having control of the oil.

Bush does not care about terrorism. Period. All he cares about is getting his rich friends more money. And the English helped him for the same reason. Find a country with terrorists operating in it that has no oil, and Bush does not care. Never has, never will.

The Q
10-30-2007, 07:03 PM
The Bush Family and The House of Saud are cut from the same cloth.

ADQ

crazierthanever
10-30-2007, 07:11 PM
The Bush Family and The House of Saud are cut from the same cloth.

ADQ

Yeah the cloth of 'it's all about me and my rich pals'!

The Q
10-30-2007, 07:14 PM
You know the Saudi Family thinks they have God's endorsement, too. It was right after the Sauds took over Arabia that oil was discovered there. They assume that that was a sign that God is on their side.

So, Bush thinks God put him in office.
The Israelis think the God gave them back their homeland.
And the Saudis think God gave them oil to rule the world with.

What a fucked up world we live in.

Thanks God. :wink

ADQ

AYFR
10-30-2007, 07:17 PM
God does not control the actions of man.

Trueblue
10-30-2007, 07:19 PM
Why the comment about the mosques in America? :think

I think it is bizarre that the US government pretends that SA is our ally in fighting terrorism.

The Q
10-30-2007, 07:25 PM
God does not control the actions of man.

That's not the way I heard it.

ADQ

AYFR
10-30-2007, 07:45 PM
That's not the way I heard it.

ADQ

Well the way I heard it was that God gave man free will to do as he wants for good or ill. The actions of man are controlled by man which is why he bares the consequences of those actions.

The Q
10-30-2007, 07:47 PM
Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic--because it is absurd how many conflicting ideologies claim to be from the same Divine Source. :roll

ADQ

AYFR
10-30-2007, 07:50 PM
Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic--because it is absurd how many conflicting ideologies claim to be from the same Divine Source. :roll

ADQ

Sorry I am running a fever and my sarcasm detector is not running at full power.

To me unfortunatly only one can be right and I believe that to me mine (well duh otherwise I would not be a Christian)

Cookie Parker
10-30-2007, 08:18 PM
The Bush Family and The House of Saud are cut from the same cloth.

ADQ

Bingo!!!

April15
10-30-2007, 09:17 PM
You know the Saudi Family thinks they have God's endorsement, too. It was right after the Sauds took over Arabia that oil was discovered there. They assume that that was a sign that God is on their side.

So, Bush thinks God put him in office.
The Israelis think the God gave them back their homeland.
And the Saudis think God gave them oil to rule the world with.

What a fucked up world we live in.

Thanks God. :wink

ADQ

That men are deluded in thinking God is with them is cause for more harm than any atheist nation could ever impart. I do believe the delusion reason enough to say there is no supreme entity.

Lone Laugher
10-31-2007, 06:04 AM
Well the way I heard it was that God gave man free will to do as he wants for good or ill. The actions of man are controlled by man which is why he bares the consequences of those actions.

By saying that "God" gave man this "free will" you ARE saying that "God" controls the actions of man...that "God" is responsible for giving us that most cherished attribute.

Also what's up with the saying "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away"? Does that mean that "God" can, at any time take away man's free will? If "God" exists and is so powerful as to have created man...then who is to stop him from doing so?

It is ALL bullshit.

AYFR
10-31-2007, 06:39 AM
God did give man free will. HE gave them the ability to control their own actions. How is giving freewill controlling their actions?

Yes God can take away our free will but he won't. He wants us to come to him and love him of our own will not to be forced into it.

What's stops him is his love for us.

Lone Laugher
10-31-2007, 06:53 AM
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Wabash
10-31-2007, 11:43 AM
God did give man free will. HE gave them the ability to control their own actions. How is giving freewill controlling their actions?

Yes God can take away our free will but he won't. He wants us to come to him and love him of our own will not to be forced into it.

What's stops him is his love for us.

GREAT answer!!:paclap:paclap:paclap:paclap

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What tripe!:freakbird

Ringo
10-31-2007, 12:22 PM
Why the comment about the mosques in America? :think

I think it is bizarre that the US government pretends that SA is our ally in fighting terrorism.

Something LIBERALS will not tell you as I doubt many even know, is this LOVE affair, began between FDR-Aziz, and Kennedy-Carter carried on the tradition as did the GOOD Presidents! Clinton like a faithful little lap dog followed right behind everyone else and for those that try to isolate the Bush's, read the paragraph about the Carlyl Group, and don't be afraid to notice the DEMOCRATS who are in there up to the ROUND rim on their noses!!

http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/newsletter2004/saudi-relations-interest-10-22.html

Why the Mosques TB asks? Well I have said for quite some time, what better places to store possible Chemicals or even a dirty bomb, as we NORMALLY treat our church's as sacred, that is of course unless you are in Waco!! Help ya TB? Beware WW3 its not far away and there will be homeland fighting this time, bet your sweet ass!!

April15
10-31-2007, 12:52 PM
WWW.infoplease.com
Geography

Saudi Arabia occupies most of the Arabian Peninsula, with the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba to the west and the Persian Gulf to the east. Neighboring countries are Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the Sultanate of Oman, Yemen, and Bahrain, connected to the Saudi mainland by a causeway. Saudi Arabia contains the world's largest continuous sand desert, the Rub Al-Khali, or Empty Quarter. Its oil region lies primarily in the eastern province along the Persian Gulf.
Government

Saudi Arabia was an absolute monarchy until 1992, at which time the Saud royal family introduced the country's first constitution. The legal system is based on the sharia (Islamic law).
History

Saudi Arabia is not only the homeland of the Arab peoples—it is thought that the first Arabs originated on the Arabian Peninsula—but also the homeland of Islam, the world's second-largest religion. Muhammad founded Islam there, and it is the location of the two holy pilgrimage cities of Mecca and Medina. The Islamic calendar begins in 622, the year of the hegira, or Muhammad's flight from Mecca. A succession of invaders attempted to control the peninsula, but by 1517 the Ottoman Empire dominated, and in the middle of the 18th century, it was divided into separate principalities. In 1745 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab began calling for the purification and reform of Islam, and the Wahhabi movement swept across Arabia. By 1811, Wahhabi leaders had waged a jihad—a holy war—against other forms of Islam on the peninsula and succeeded in uniting much of it. By 1818, however, the Wahhabis had been driven out of power again by the Ottomans and their Egyptian allies.

The kingdom of Saudi Arabia is almost entirely the creation of King Ibn Saud (1882–1953). A descendant of Wahhabi leaders, he seized Riyadh in 1901 and set himself up as leader of the Arab nationalist movement. By 1906 he had established Wahhabi dominance in Nejd and conquered Hejaz in 1924–1925. The Hejaz and Nejd regions were merged to form the kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932, which was an absolute monarchy ruled by sharia. A year later the region of Asir was incorporated into the kingdom.

Oil was discovered in 1936, and commercial production began during World War II. This oil-derived wealth allowed the country to provide free health care and education while not collecting any taxes from its people. Saudi Arabia was neutral until nearly the end of the war, but it was permitted to be a charter member of the United Nations. The country joined the Arab League in 1945 and took part in the 1948–1949 war against Israel. Saudi Arabia still does not recognize the state of Israel. On Ibn Saud's death in 1953, his eldest son, Saud, began an 11-year reign marked by an increasing hostility toward the radical Arabism of Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser. In 1964, the ailing Saud was deposed and replaced by the prime minister, Crown Prince Faisal, who gave vocal support but no military help to Egypt in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

Faisal's assassination by a deranged kinsman in 1975 shook the Middle East, but it failed to alter his kingdom's course. His successor was his brother, Prince Khalid. Khalid gave influential support to Egypt during negotiations on Israeli withdrawal from the Sinai Desert. King Khalid died of a heart attack in 1982, and he was succeeded by his half-brother, Prince Fahd bin 'Abdulaziz, who had exercised the real power throughout Khalid's reign. King Fahd chose his half-brother Abdullah as crown prince.

Saudi Arabia and the smaller oil-rich Arab states on the Persian Gulf, fearful that they might become Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's next targets if Iran conquered Iraq, made large financial contributions to the Iraqi war effort during the 1980s. At the same time, cheating by other members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), competition from nonmember oil producers, and conservation efforts by consuming nations combined to drive down the world price of oil. At the time Saudi Arabia had one-third of all known oil reserves, but falling demand and rising production outside OPEC combined to reduce its oil revenues from $120 billion in 1980 to less than $25 billion in 1985, threatening the country with domestic unrest and undermining its influence in the Gulf area.

At the start of 1996, King Fahd passed authority to Crown Prince Abdullah, after suffering an incapacitating stroke. In 1998 the country's oil income fell by 40% because of a worldwide decline in prices, and it entered its first recession in six years.

In 2000, Saudi Arabia, along with other OPEC nations experiencing a recession, decided to reduce production to raise oil prices. In 2001, OPEC cut oil production three additional times.

Saudi Arabia's relations with the U.S. were strained after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks—15 of the 19 suicide bombers involved were Saudis. Despite the monarchy's close ties to the West, much of the extremely influential religious establishment has supported anti-Americanism and Islamic militancy. In Aug. 2003, following the U.S.-led war on Iraq in March and April 2003, the United States withdrew its troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. The U.S. had maintained troops in the country for the past decade, a source of great controversy in the strongly conservative Islamic country. One of the major reasons given for the Sept. 11 attacks by Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden was the presence of U.S. troops in the home of Islam's holiest sites, Medina and Mecca. On May 12, 2003, suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh. Al-Qaeda was suspected. Saudi Arabia's commitment to antiterrorist measures was again called into question by the U.S. and other countries. In July, the U.S. Congress bitterly criticized Saudi Arabia's alleged financing of terrorist organizations. While the Saudi government arrested a sizable number of suspected terrorists, little was done to quell Islamic militancy in the kingdom. Several attacks against Westerners took place in 2003 and 2004.

In Feb. 2005, Saudi Arabia held its first elections ever: municipal council elections to choose half of the new council members in Riyadh. The other half continued to be appointed, in keeping with the previous Saudi system. Women were not eligible to vote, and less than a third of eligible voters registered.

In Aug. 2005, King Fahd bin 'Abdulaziz died. His half-brother Abdullah, who had been the de facto ruler of the country for the past decade, assumed the throne.

toxic
10-31-2007, 01:24 PM
Something LIBERALS will not tell you as I doubt many even know, is this LOVE affair, began between FDR-Aziz, and Kennedy-Carter carried on the tradition as did the GOOD Presidents! Clinton like a faithful little lap dog followed right behind everyone else and for those that try to isolate the Bush's, read the paragraph about the Carlyl Group, and don't be afraid to notice the DEMOCRATS who are in there up to the ROUND rim on their noses!!

http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/newsletter2004/saudi-relations-interest-10-22.html

Why the Mosques TB asks? Well I have said for quite some time, what better places to store possible Chemicals or even a dirty bomb, as we NORMALLY treat our church's as sacred, that is of course unless you are in Waco!! Help ya TB? Beware WW3 its not far away and there will be homeland fighting this time, bet your sweet ass!!

Let me get this straight.

You have posted a link to a Saudi-US Relations Information Service article, that says it's objective is to debunk the Bush-Saudi conspiracy.

Do you think they might be biased? Especially, because they are a Public Relations Service who's purpose is to distort the truth?

If you were buying a used car, would your trust the Used Car Dealer mechanic to tell you the true condition of the vehicle or would you go to an independent source?


Additionally, your dirty bomb in Mosque conspiracy seems rather far fetched when the obvious truth is BUSH IS A LYING MORON AND TRATOR TO AMERICA.

http://www.socialist-alliance.org/img/stopbush.jpg

The Q
10-31-2007, 01:59 PM
15 of the 19 suicide bombers involved were Saudis.

This just blows my fucking mind. :no2

ADQ

cassandra
10-31-2007, 03:19 PM
Bush can be a Real Bozo sometimes...

So true!

Wabash
11-02-2007, 12:44 PM
Let me get this straight.

You have posted a link to a Saudi-US Relations Information Service article, that says it's objective is to debunk the Bush-Saudi conspiracy.

Do you think they might be biased? Especially, because they are a Public Relations Service who's purpose is to distort the truth?

If you were buying a used car, would your trust the Used Car Dealer mechanic to tell you the true condition of the vehicle or would you go to an independent source?


Additionally, your dirty bomb in Mosque conspiracy seems rather far fetched when the obvious truth is BUSH IS A LYING MORON AND TRATOR TO AMERICA.

http://www.socialist-alliance.org/img/stopbush.jpg

Your poster of Bush is outdated and a LIE to boot! Yesterday's news is sooooooo boring...

issac the dragon
11-02-2007, 12:59 PM
No, the statute of limitations does not apply to being a war criminal. Israel is still hunting down nazis. And Bush may be persued for the rest of his life. If he leaves the sancturary of this country in thirty years, he can still be arrested, tried and put to death. Yeah!