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toxic

10-25-2007, 05:53 PM

This is the most obvious COVER-UP in the history of the military.

How can a Marine Force Commander be put in charge of deciding if cases should be brought to trial of his own men. Covering up for his men, covers his own ass for his own dereliction of duty.

This proves only that Marines are SHIT, their Commanders are SHIT and their Legal Officers are SHIT.

When America let's it's Military Rape and Murder little children we all share the blame.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1670496,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics

... Few people will dispute the carnage that took place in the Iraqi town of Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005: Women and children were killed in their homes alongside adult males by U.S. Marines. The Marines originally said that the civilians were killed as a result of a roadside bomb. ...

... Marine investigative lawyer Lt. Col. Paul Ware ... concerns in the past have gone beyond issues of evidence. He also expressed concern with the impact a harsh sentence might have on the morale of Marines. ...

... The commander of the First Marine Expeditionary Force, Lt. Gen. James Mattis's rulings have been favorable to the Marines. On August 9, Mattis decided not to bring charges against Sharratt. The general also dismissed dereliction of duty charges brought against Capt. Lucas McConnell, the company commander who oversaw Wuterich's squad and did not initially investigate the incident. Mattis said that "administrative measures are the appropriate response," limiting McConnell's punishment to a reprimand by his superiors rather than a trial in a criminal proceeding. ...

toxic

10-25-2007, 06:07 PM

Well, our number one teenage child rape expidetionary force is at work again, raping little girls.

U.S. Marines accused of alleged rape of Japanese teen - CNN.com

U.S. Marines accused of alleged rape of Japanese teen

TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Japanese authorities are investigating the alleged rape of a teenager by four U.S. Marines in southwestern Japan last weekend, officials and media said Friday.

Police in Hiroshima prefecture are working with U.S. military officials to investigate the allegation, which the 19-year-old woman made to police, top government spokesman Nobutaka Machimura told reporters.

"It would be unforgivable if this turns out to be true," Machimura said.

The U.S. military has about 50,000 troops based in Japan under a bilateral security treaty. Many Japanese complain of crime, pollution and noise associated with the bases.

The rape of a schoolgirl by three American servicemen in Okinawa, which has the largest U.S. military presence, sparked large protests in 1995.

The woman in the newly reported incident allegedly met the men, believed to be Marines from the nearby Iwakuni Marine Corps Air Station, at a restaurant or bar in Hiroshima early Saturday morning, local media reports said, citing unnamed police officials.

The men allegedly took the woman outside to a car and drove her to a parking lot about a mile away where they raped her, according to the reports.

Kurtz

10-25-2007, 06:13 PM

These are cases that invlove bad men, not necessarily shit Marines.
Does the military support an environment that enables these 'men' to commit these crimes, probably, but to say all Marines are shit is like sayin' all men are shit since the shits that
committed these offenses are all men.

crazierthanever

10-25-2007, 06:34 PM

This is the most obvious COVER-UP in the history of the military.

How can a Marine Force Commander be put in charge of deciding if cases should be brought to trial of his own men. Covering up for his men, covers his own ass for his own dereliction of duty.

This proves only that Marines are SHIT, their Commanders are SHIT and their Legal Officers are SHIT. When America let's it's Military Rape and Murder little children we all share the blame.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1670496,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics

... Few people will dispute the carnage that took place in the Iraqi town of Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005: Women and children were killed in their homes alongside adult males by U.S. Marines. The Marines originally said that the civilians were killed as a result of a roadside bomb. ...

... Marine investigative lawyer Lt. Col. Paul Ware ... concerns in the past have gone beyond issues of evidence. He also expressed concern with the impact a harsh sentence might have on the morale of Marines. ...

... The commander of the First Marine Expeditionary Force, Lt. Gen. James Mattis's rulings have been favorable to the Marines. On August 9, Mattis decided not to bring charges against Sharratt. The general also dismissed dereliction of duty charges brought against Capt. Lucas McConnell, the company commander who oversaw Wuterich's squad and did not initially investigate the incident. Mattis said that "administrative measures are the appropriate response," limiting McConnell's punishment to a reprimand by his superiors rather than a trial in a criminal proceeding. ...

Hold up there, cowboy. I'm a peacenik. I'm not what you'd call pro-military and even I take serious offense at your bolded comment.

Are there bad marines? Yes. Ought they to be held accountable for their actions? YES! Ought their superior officers cover up or make light of offenses? NO.

But don't condemn the whole group.

Lone Laugher

10-25-2007, 06:51 PM

"This proves only that Marines are SHIT, their Commanders are SHIT and their Legal Officers are SHIT."

No. No it does not.

Wabash

10-25-2007, 07:09 PM

toxic

10-25-2007, 07:11 PM

toxic

10-25-2007, 07:12 PM

Wabash

10-25-2007, 07:13 PM

Assuming you actually read the post and realize that the highest levels of the Marine Corps are deciding to prosecute or to not presecute based on:

1) Marine Corps Morale, and/or
2) If the Marine Force Commander wants to admit that his men are out-of-control.

Then you are saying: Yes, let's endorse child rape as long as the Marine Force Commander says "Don't prosecute rapists".

Okay lets all get that tight pussy.

CLEARLY....you appear to have some deep seated HATE issues...Get Help!

Firstly, we don't know how much bias went in to this piece, nor do we know if they are quoting the actions of the USMC accurately. You have yourself in a tizzy....calm down..

Wabash

10-25-2007, 07:15 PM

Fuck you

Same to you bitch! Some of that must be true...huh?

Saguaro

10-25-2007, 07:19 PM

Fuck you
:nono .. this is against TOS

Saguaro

10-25-2007, 07:19 PM

Same to you bitch! Some of that must be true...huh?

:nono

Wabash

10-25-2007, 07:25 PM

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Saguaro

10-25-2007, 07:25 PM

Please be sure to read the TOS - Terms of service.

I will give everyone one warning,after that I will be taking away credits

Cookie Parker

10-25-2007, 07:25 PM

I think toxic is a HATER to the extreme....a Hater of the military, the American way of Life and order in General...After reading the stupid post about the SoCal fires, I can see that this person is anti-American and seems to want to overthrow the US Govt....am I wrong?

Is toxic one of those protestors on the campuses...protesting Islamo Facisit Awareness Week? Is toxic an Enemy of the State?

The rhetoric I'm seeing today and in past days, identifies someone who has either lost it or is.....the Enemy!

whoa...talk about over exaggeration...get away from the radio program..but down the prescribed oxycotin...LOL!!

I think he's appalled to think that the Marines are put incharge of investigating a rape and murder, after confessions were made, and then allowed to sweep it under the rug.

I think this is an exception, not the rule to marines, although raping of female US military personnel is common, too...

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/iraq_us_military_women_suffer_rape_sexual_assault_ and_hara.htm

You certainly demonstrate that lack of compassion, Wabash, by jumping on the bandwagon that says if you criticize the military, you must be anti-American..well, you got it all wrong. It's because I AM an American that I am ALLOWED to criticize the military, the president, the Congress and all the iidiots in Bushs cabinet...AND his family.

Wabash

10-25-2007, 07:31 PM

whoa...talk about over exaggeration...get away from the radio program..but down the prescribed oxycotin...LOL!!

I think he's appalled to think that the Marines are put incharge of investigating a rape and murder, after confessions were made, and then allowed to sweep it under the rug.

I think this is an exception, not the rule to marines, although raping of female US military personnel is common, too...

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/iraq_us_military_women_suffer_rape_sexual_assault_ and_hara.htm

You certainly demonstrate that lack of compassion, Wabash, by jumping on the bandwagon that says if you criticize the military, you must be anti-American..well, you got it all wrong. It's because I AM an American that I am ALLOWED to criticize the military, the president, the Congress and all the iidiots in Bushs cabinet...AND his family.

Hey...I have no problem with most of what you say here...Don't get me wrong...if they did criminal acts, they should be punished, not swept under the rug.
However, toxic's rhetoric here and elsewhere, is OVER the TOP and shows extreme hatred.......

AYFR

10-25-2007, 08:21 PM

"This proves only that Marines are SHIT, their Commanders are SHIT and their Legal Officers are SHIT."

I think Reid needs to send a signed letter to Toxic and try and have Congress censure him.

Sounds like another poster I know from AWE; is that you IHTNR.

Wabash

10-25-2007, 08:25 PM

Mack the Knife

10-26-2007, 07:13 AM

I think toxic is a HATER to the extreme....a Hater of the military, the American way of Life and order in General...After reading the stupid post about the SoCal fires, I can see that this person is anti-American and seems to want to overthrow the US Govt....am I wrong?

Is toxic one of those protestors on the campuses...protesting Islamo Facisit Awareness Week? Is toxic an Enemy of the State?

The rhetoric I'm seeing today and in past days, identifies someone who has either lost it or is.....the Enemy!

He/She seems to quite the angry little Liberal hack who appears to bvery Anti Military, or Marine jealous? I always found Marines to be a very disciplined, very well trained and tough individuals, but they are human so screw ups surface now & then!

This jerk is condemning over 200 years of History in which Marines were the first to fight, with the Army doing follow up operations! Today and in Vietnam that role changed quite a lot, and the Army is taking over more of the long term fighting.

I agree with you Wabash, he/she sounds like a sniveling college boy/girl, to afraid to man up and be part of the Service?

Kurtz

10-26-2007, 07:17 AM

Another example of: We do have gay guys here at TPA. :lmao

Semantics

10-26-2007, 07:29 AM

I moved this thread into The War Room.

Insult away, friends. :)

Kurtz

10-26-2007, 07:33 AM

I moved this thread into The War Room.

Insult away, friends. :)

Thank ya, you're a great Admin. :heart

:admin

Semantics

10-26-2007, 07:46 AM

I agree with Toxic in that this needs attention.

There are bad people in every part of our society, including the military. When individuals in the military commit these acts they need to be punished.

When they are allowed to get away with crimes it shows two things. The first is that is tells the world that we think we are above the basic laws of humanity that we are trying to impose upon other countries. Second, it doesn't send a good example to the men and women of our military when justice is lenient and things are swept under the rug.

'Redacted': Iraq Rape Film Stuns Venice
Film depicting real life rape of an Iraqi girl by U.S. soldiers shocks Venice.

A new film about the real-life rape and killing of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl by U.S. soldiers who also murdered her family stunned the Venice festival, with shocking images that left some viewers in tears.

"Redacted," by U.S. director Brian De Palma, is one of at least eight American films on the war in Iraq due for release in the next few months and the first of two movies on the conflict screening in Venice's main competition.

Inspired by one of the most serious crimes committed by American soldiers in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, it is a harrowing indictment of the conflict and spares the audience no brutality to get its message across.

De Palma, 66, whose "Casualties of War" in 1989 told a similar tale of abuse by American soldiers in Vietnam, makes no secret of the goal he is hoping to achieve with the film's images, all based on real material he found on the Internet.

"The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people," he told reporters after a press screening.

"The pictures are what will stop the war. One only hopes that these images will get the public incensed enough to motivate their Congressmen to vote against this war," he said.

Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi was gang raped, killed and burnt by American soldiers in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad, in March 2006. Her parents and younger daughter were also killed.

Five soldiers have since been charged with the attack. Four of them have been given sentences of between 5 and 110 years.

"IT'S ALL ON THE INTERNET"

Halfway between documentary and fiction, "Redacted" draws on soldiers' home-made war videos, blogs and journals and footage posted on YouTube, reflecting changes in the way the media cover the war.

"In Vietnam, when we saw the images and the sorrow of the people we were traumatizing and killing, we saw the soldiers wounded and brought back in body bags. We see none of that in this war," De Palma said.

"It's all out there on the Internet, you can find it if you look for it, but it's not in the major media. The media is now really part of the corporate establishment," he said.

The film's title refers to how, according to De Palma, mainstream American newspapers and television channels are failing to tell the true story of the war by keeping the most graphic images of the conflict away from public opinion.

"When I went out to find the pictures, I said (to the media) give me the pictures you can't publish," he said, adding that because of legal dangers he too had to "edit" the material.

"Everything that is in the movie is based on something I found that actually happened. But once I had put it in the script I would get a note from a lawyer saying you can't use that because it's real and we may get sued," De Palma said.

"So I was forced to fictionalize things that were actually real."

The film, shot in Jordan with a little known cast, ends with a series of photographs of Iraqi civilians killed and their faces blacked out for legal reasons.

"I think that's terrible because now we have not even given the dignity of faces to this suffering people," De Palma said.

"The great irony about Redacted is that it was redacted."

Distributor Magnolia has planned a limited U.S. release for later this year, and the film may be easier to sell to European audiences rather than to the American public.

"This is a harrowing experience you put the audience through. It is not something you want to go to on a delightful Saturday evening but this message must be put forward and hopefully the public will respond," De Palma said.

Link (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WireStory?id=3545921&page=1)

crazierthanever

10-26-2007, 09:20 AM

The Q

10-26-2007, 09:29 AM

Please be sure to read the TOS - Terms of service.

I will give everyone one warning,after that I will be taking away credits

Sag--this is an unmoderated forum. :para

ADQ

The Q

10-26-2007, 09:30 AM

I moved this thread into The War Room.

Insult away, friends. :)

DOH!

ADQ

issac the dragon

10-26-2007, 10:09 AM

Maybe this is Toxic's first war. Rape and murder are known and expected side affects of war. The only way to prevent it is to not have wars. And the guilty parties are never put in jail. They come back with medals, and are loosed on the population.

Wabash

10-26-2007, 12:26 PM

He/She seems to quite the angry little Liberal hack who appears to bvery Anti Military, or Marine jealous? I always found Marines to be a very disciplined, very well trained and tough individuals, but they are human so screw ups surface now & then!

This jerk is condemning over 200 years of History in which Marines were the first to fight, with the Army doing follow up operations! Today and in Vietnam that role changed quite a lot, and the Army is taking over more of the long term fighting.

I agree with you Wabash, he/she sounds like a sniveling college boy/girl, to afraid to man up and be part of the Service?

Thank you.....

Another example of: We do have gay guys here at TPA. :lmao

Nooooooooo...really?

Maybe this is Toxic's first war. Rape and murder are known and expected side affects of war. The only way to prevent it is to not have wars. And the guilty parties are never put in jail. They come back with medals, and are loosed on the population.

This could be true, because from the sound of her, she is one of the recently brainwashed college campus types! I could be wrong. At any rate, the rhetoric is over the top in some areas, and the seething rage may indicate some deep seated hatred or psychological problems...

toxic

10-26-2007, 12:51 PM

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P.S. Our speakers are under even more threat than we anticipated. In addition to the funds we need to continue the campaign, we need your immediate financial help ...

Big threat (Democracy)- send money (a very common Neo-Con theme).

David Horowitz is a total Jewish Neo-Con hack from way back. As most, he was a Communist and Marxist who later turned to the Republicans as the most likely party to achieve a Totalitarian Dictatorship in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_(conservative_writer)

David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is a Jewish American conservative writer and activist. Once a prominent supporter of Marxism and a member of the New Left in the 1960s, Horowitz later rejected Leftism and is now on the right of the political spectrum. He is a founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), and has served as president of that organization for many years. He is the editor of the conservative website FrontPage Magazine, and his writings can also be read on prominent news sites and publications, including the conservative magazine NewsMax.[1] He founded the activist group Students for Academic Freedom and is affiliated with Campus Watch. He occasionally appears on the Fox News Channel as an analyst. ...

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toxic

10-26-2007, 01:04 PM

He/She seems to quite the angry little Liberal hack who appears to bvery Anti Military, or Marine jealous? I always found Marines to be a very disciplined, very well trained and tough individuals, but they are human so screw ups surface now & then!

This jerk is condemning over 200 years of History in which Marines were the first to fight, with the Army doing follow up operations! Today and in Vietnam that role changed quite a lot, and the Army is taking over more of the long term fighting.

I agree with you Wabash, he/she sounds like a sniveling college boy/girl, to afraid to man up and be part of the Service?

Hey Mack, KMA.

What the fuck does 200 years of history have to do with what happened last year. Now we have a president that endorses torture and women that endorse rape. Times/Things have changed.

Only Marines have ever thought they were first to do anything. Every organization has some sorry ass story to make the 18 year olds think they are special. Are you 18 or stupid?

Plus, you want to explain the changing roles of the Army and Marines in the last 35 years. Start explaining. I'm curious WTF you have to teach me.

Wabash

10-26-2007, 01:21 PM

I was Left before I was RIGHT! Horowitz saw the light, just like me.....

The main theme I got out of that piece, was not to send money....but be wary of the ever increasing violence created on college campuses by nutjobs on the Left! They preach peace....but they are NOT peaceful. The Left are hypocrits to the Max....I wonder if Horowitz and YDT are related, but opposite! ?

toxic

10-27-2007, 10:28 AM

The Left is not Pacifism.

I think the historical associations are:

Left-Revolutionary

Right-Reactionary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary
A revolutionary, when used as a noun, is a person who either advocates or actively engages in some kind of revolution. The term is usually applied to political revolutionaries or social revolutionaries, and less frequently used to revolutionary scientists, inventors, and artists. In the political context, the term "revolutionary" is often used in contrast to the term reformist. While a revolutionary is someone who supports abrupt change, a reformist is someone who supports more gradual change. The word "recalcitrant" is relavitely synonymous. When used as an adjective, revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Political revolutionaries may be classified in two ways:

According to the goals of the revolution they propose. Usually, these goals are part of a certain ideology. In theory, each ideology could generate its own brand of revolutionaries. In practice, most political revolutionaries have been either liberals, nationalists, socialists, communists or anarchists.
According to the methods they propose to use. This divides revolutionaries in two broad groups: Those who advocate a violent revolution, and those who are pacifists. Perhaps the best known examples of these two types of revolutionaries are Che Guevara and Mahatma Gandhi, respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary
Reactionary (or reactionist) is a political epithet, generally used as a pejorative, originally applied in the context of the French Revolution to counter-revolutionaries who wished to restore the real or imagined conditions of the monarchical Ancien Régimen [Substitute Reagan Years]. Through the 19th century, it was used to refer to those who wished to preserve feudalism or aristocratic privilege against industrialism, republicanism,[1] liberalism, and in some cases socialism.

Later on in the early 20th century, the term also came to describe those favouring a stronger role of the Catholic Church in society, as well as - pejoratively - the diverse groups and individuals criticizing certain aspects of ideologies like liberalism, democratic socialism, secularism, and other leftist ideologies.

Kurtz

10-27-2007, 12:12 PM

Words 'n definitions, I love 'em.

:aww

Ringo

10-27-2007, 01:08 PM

Hey Mack, KMA.

What the fuck does 200 years of history have to do with what happened last year. Now we have a president that endorses torture and women that endorse rape. Times/Things have changed.

Only Marines have ever thought they were first to do anything. Every organization has some sorry ass story to make the 18 year olds think they are special. Are you 18 or stupid?

Plus, you want to explain the changing roles of the Army and Marines in the last 35 years. Start explaining. I'm curious WTF you have to teach me.

Marines have always had ther role of being the first on the scene, they are usually the ones that establish a beach head, and the Army follows them in to secure a long time stand! I have heard about your SELF IMPORTANT role in the Service and I know a lot of guys who were in Nam including my Dad, so you were no more than a pimple on some Generals ass! You are a fucking jerk and someone, someday will probably nail your ass good for your mouth little boy!:mw:saddam:nerd:castro:mw Friends of Toxic's!!

I suspect maybe Mack might be nicer he seems more the gentleman, than I am!

toxic

10-27-2007, 03:47 PM

Were Marines the first ashore at Normandy, or was it Army Engineers to clear the obstacles on the beach? Were the Marines the first deep inland in France, or was it 101st Airborne?

Each group has their own story. I think I have heard them all.

I think you will find any claims I have made, were evidence of experience in rebuttal to someone's argument in the course of a debate.

Kurtz

10-27-2007, 06:16 PM

toxic

10-27-2007, 06:18 PM

Maybe this is Toxic's first war.

Yeah right. I wish I were young enough for that to be true.

Rape and murder are known and expected side affects of war. The only way to prevent it is to not have wars. And the guilty parties are never put in jail. They come back with medals, and are loosed on the population.

Kids respond to peer pressure. If everyone knows you expect to maintain the moral high ground, someone will kick the morons back into line before they totally screw up.