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Yellowdogtexan
10-15-2007, 10:55 AM
Paul Krugman of the NYT has noted a new medical condition http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=sloginOn the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet — and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

Everything I’ve just said should be uncontroversial — but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy. Now that this condition has been identified, we need to work on a cure. Any suggestions.

Kurtz
10-15-2007, 11:38 AM
What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.”


We could elect a real President who leads this country into
the 21st century instead of backwards into the Dark Ages. :whistle

And WE WILL. :D

Oceanbreeze
10-15-2007, 11:41 AM
:rooster THE SKY IS FALLING! :rooster

Wabash
10-15-2007, 12:05 PM
Paul Krugman of the NYT has noted a new medical condition http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=sloginNow that this condition has been identified, we need to work on a cure. Any suggestions.

Yep...eliminate most Liberals from the face of the earth!

We could elect a real President who leads this country into
the 21st century instead of backwards into the Dark Ages. :whistle

And WE WILL. :D

Living in that Dream World again huh?:waa:waa:violin

:rooster THE SKY IS FALLING! :rooster

DITTO!

Wabash
10-15-2007, 12:12 PM
Did I mention that the auction has raised over $45 Grand thus far?:rooster

Do you think Reid and Pelsoi will put their money where their twisted mouthes are and match it?

Yellowdogtexan
10-15-2007, 12:31 PM
You are denial wabby. Do not worry. Now that your condition has been identified, medical science will work a cure for Gore Derangement Syndrome

April15
10-15-2007, 01:31 PM
You are denial wabby. Do not worry. Now that your condition has been identified, medical science will work a cure for Gore Derangement SyndromeThe cure is very simple, it is like California divorce. It's the fucking you get for the fucking you got! Ram them in the ASS! Imagine a world with no religion or cons. Very few people but we would live in harmony.

Wabash
10-15-2007, 02:43 PM
You are denial wabby. Do not worry. Now that your condition has been identified, medical science will work a cure for Gore Derangement Syndrome

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Too funny! I'm in denial of NOTHING!

The cure is very simple, it is like California divorce. It's the fucking you get for the fucking you got! Ram them in the ASS! Imagine a world with no religion or cons. Very few people but we would live in harmony.

No you wouldn't...you goofballs would kill each other until no one was left!
A world W/O morals is ....HELL!

patriotsblade
10-15-2007, 03:33 PM
No you wouldn't...you goofballs would kill each other until no one was left!
A world W/O morals is ....HELL!

Here we go again. Whose morals? Who gets to define what the common morals of an entire society should be?

AYFR
10-15-2007, 04:41 PM
We could elect a real President who leads this country into
the 21st century instead of backwards into the Dark Ages. :whistle

And WE WILL. :D

Gulliani, Sure we will.

Trueblue
10-15-2007, 05:39 PM
That's a great read, YDT.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.

:)

April15
10-15-2007, 08:55 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Too funny! I'm in denial of NOTHING!



No you wouldn't...you goofballs would kill each other until no one was left!
A world W/O morals is ....HELL!I beg to differ with that assessment. Who is killing who in the world now and for what reasons? Give me a godless society and liberals.

Oceanbreeze
10-15-2007, 09:37 PM
I beg to differ with that assessment. Who is killing who in the world now and for what reasons? Give me a godless society and liberals.


It's called the Netherlands. :mike

bluedog
10-15-2007, 10:00 PM
Paul Krugman of the NYT has noted a new medical condition http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=sloginNow that this condition has been identified, we need to work on a cure. Any suggestions.

The New York Times has hardly any room to be critical of anyone in relation to what they do not cover. For instance the "MEDAL OF HONOR" has been awarded to one of their own native sons, Michael P. Murphy of Long Island.....has there been the first article printed in this publication, anywhere? One would think that at least there should be a small editorial of mention. Or what about the tongue lashing given by the retired General "Sanchez"....not the first mention of his opinion on how the media has cost numerous lives with the way they have handled the conflict in Iraq....but they sure was quick to point out what he had to say about.....the issues of mismanagement by the Bush administration...I wonder why? That way the Times, can't be trusted as a reliable source of factual new any longer...it's more editorial than hard news. One can often find more facts in the "NATIONAL ENQUIRER". BD

Wabash
10-16-2007, 01:35 AM
Here we go again. Whose morals? Who gets to define what the common morals of an entire society should be?

The Moral Majority!

That's a great read, YDT.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
:)
Yo Momma!


It's called the Netherlands. :mike

Yep, that's where April belongs...

The New York Times has hardly any room to be critical of anyone in relation to what they do not cover. For instance the "MEDAL OF HONOR" has been awarded to one of their own native sons, Michael P. Murphy of Long Island.....has there been the first article printed in this publication, anywhere? One would think that at least there should be a small editorial of mention. Or what about the tongue lashing given by the retired General "Sanchez"....not the first mention of his opinion on how the media has cost numerous lives with the way they have handled the conflict in Iraq....but they sure was quick to point out what he had to say about.....the issues of mismanagement by the Bush administration...I wonder why? That way the Times, can't be trusted as a reliable source of factual new any longer...it's more editorial than hard news. One can often find more facts in the "NATIONAL ENQUIRER". BD

Boy howdy...I hope to show the full speech by Sanchez blasting the media, not the part that the Liars of the Times pick and choose! :yep

Trueblue
10-16-2007, 05:38 AM
Okay, Wabash, I don't want to put you on the spot, but you did bring up your fears for a society without morals-but I haven't seen you stick up for anything much moral. You have advocated torture, you've been married multiple times [which is your business, and I'm not putting you down for that-but it DOES beg the question!!!!], and you haven't shown compassion to the poor or disadvantaged. What morals are bedrock for you?

Oceanbreeze
10-16-2007, 08:34 AM
Okay, Wabash, I don't want to put you on the spot, but you did bring up your fears for a society without morals-but I haven't seen you stick up for anything much moral. You have advocated torture, you've been married multiple times [which is your business, and I'm not putting you down for that-but it DOES beg the question!!!!], and you haven't shown compassion to the poor or disadvantaged. What morals are bedrock for you?

Silly liberals are bleeding hearts. To have morals is separate than having compassion.

issac the dragon
10-16-2007, 11:01 AM
Yes. The conservatives would never allow compassion to get in the way of killing children or torturing someone in Iraq. But that is easy for them. They have no compassion.

Oceanbreeze
10-16-2007, 11:27 AM
Yes. The conservatives would never allow compassion to get in the way of killing children or torturing someone in Iraq. But that is easy for them. They have no compassion.

Have you ever worked in a soup kitchen?
Have you ever visited a nursing home with no relatives there?
Have you ever donated your time and energy to improvished kids?
Have you ever donated money and resources to an natural disaster?

Please don't ever stereotype me and tell me I don't have compassion. I have done all of the above and more many times and I AM A PROUD CONSERVATIVE.

issac the dragon
10-16-2007, 11:39 AM
I've spent countless hours after work in the NH's trying to help the people who were suffering from the very real problems caused by the "compassionate conservatives." People who could not get the medication they needed. That were going to be tossed out on the street becuase they made $10 too much a month. And yadayadayada. We all know the story. Not to mention writing countless letters to my representatives in the government who could not provide sufficient funds to staff the facility that the most unfornate of all people had to live in. And some of those people are children.

Cookie Parker
10-16-2007, 12:19 PM
The New York Times has hardly any room to be critical of anyone in relation to what they do not cover. For instance the "MEDAL OF HONOR" has been awarded to one of their own native sons, Michael P. Murphy of Long Island.....has there been the first article printed in this publication, anywhere? One would think that at least there should be a small editorial of mention. Or what about the tongue lashing given by the retired General "Sanchez"....not the first mention of his opinion on how the media has cost numerous lives with the way they have handled the conflict in Iraq....but they sure was quick to point out what he had to say about.....the issues of mismanagement by the Bush administration...I wonder why? That way the Times, can't be trusted as a reliable source of factual new any longer...it's more editorial than hard news. One can often find more facts in the "NATIONAL ENQUIRER". BD


Except...this is on the media's ignoring Al Gore and his Nobel Peace Prize....isn't this news? Seems the corporate elite media who double dips into the military complex holdings and your tax dollars doesn't want anyone to hear about the pollution they are causing...and these 90 up north Octobers....

This is about the media's reaction to Al Gore, bluedog..what do you think?

Trueblue
10-16-2007, 04:46 PM
Silly liberals are bleeding hearts. To have morals is separate than having compassion.

Silly Conservative, compassion is the better part of morality. Think about it.

Oceanbreeze
10-16-2007, 05:14 PM
Silly Conservative, compassion is the better part of morality. Think about it.

I have thought about it, I am compassionate and I am morally UPTIGHT. :lmao

Kurtz
10-16-2007, 05:17 PM
:lmao

Trueblue
10-17-2007, 04:54 PM
I have thought about it, I am compassionate and I am morally UPTIGHT. :lmao

Okay....

Would have been nice to hear from Wabby on this....