Way to go Pelosi

[AYFR]

Turkish general warns U.S. ties on ice

By C. ONUR ANT, Associated Press Writer
Sun Oct 14, 5:44 PM ET

ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkey's top general warned that ties with the U.S., already strained by attacks from rebels hiding in Iraq, will be irreversibly damaged if Congress passes a resolution that labels the World War I-era killings of Armenians a genocide.

Turkey, which is a major cargo hub for U.S. and allied military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has recalled its ambassador to Washington for consultations and warned that there might be a cut in the logistical support to the U.S. over the issue.

"If this resolution passed in the committee passes the House as well, our military ties with the U.S. will never be the same again," Gen. Yasar Buyukanit told the daily Milliyet newspaper.

Despite the general's strong words, it is not clear how far Turkey will go to express its dismay to Washington.

Turkey suspended its military ties with France last year after the French parliament's lower house adopted a bill that that would have made it a crime to deny that the Armenian killings constituted a genocide.

But there is more at stake for NATO's only Muslim member when it comes to its relations with the U.S. The Turkish military, and especially the air force, is heavily dependent on the American defense industry, experts say.

Still, when Washington imposed an arms embargo against Turkey in 1975 due to a dispute over Cyprus, Turkey ended all its logistical support to U.S. troops and sharing of intelligence until the embargo was lifted, said Onur Oymen, the country's former permanent representative to NATO.

President Bush has said the resolution is the wrong response to the Armenian deaths, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the measure's timing was important "because many of the survivors are very old."

In an interview broadcast Sunday with ABC's "This Week," Pelosi noted that the resolution would make the U.S. the 24th country to label the killings a genocide.

Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the measure was "irresponsible."

"Listen, there's no question that the suffering of the Armenian people some 90 years ago was extreme. But what happened 90 years ago ought to be a subject for historians to sort out, not politicians here in Washington," he told "Fox News Sunday."

About 70 percent of U.S. air cargo headed for Iraq goes through Turkey as does about one-third of the fuel used by the U.S. military there. Turkish truckers also carry water and other supplied to U.S. bases.

In addition, cargo planes fly supplies to U.S. soldiers in remote areas of Iraq from Incirlik, avoiding the use of Iraqi roads vulnerable to bomb attacks. U.S. officials say the arrangement helps reduce American casualties.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has "urged restraint" from Turkey and sent two officials to Ankara in an apparent attempt to ease fury over the measure, which could be voted on by the House by the end of the year.

At issue in the resolution is the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks. Many international historians contend the deaths amounted to genocide, but Turkey says the mass killings and deportations were not systematic and that many non-Kurds also died in the chaos of war.

The congressional resolution comes as the Turkish parliament debates authorizing a military campaign into northern Iraq to root out rebels who seek a unified, independent nation for Kurds in the region.

U.S. officials have urged Turkey not to send troops and appealed for a diplomatic solution with Iraq. The Kurdish region in northern Iraq is one of the country's few relatively stable areas, and the Kurds here are also a longtime U.S. ally.

A Kurdish rebel commander on Saturday said Turkey would face a long and bloody conflict if it launched a large-scale offensive in northern Iraq.

Speaking to The Associated Press deep in the Qandil mountains straddling the Iraq-Turkish border, some 94 miles from the northern Iraqi Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, Murat Karayilan, head of the armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, warned that an eventual Turkish incursion would "make Turkey experience a Vietnam war."

The PKK has been fighting for autonomy in southeast Turkey since 1984. The conflict has claimed tens of thousands of lives. Turkey says the rebels use Iraqi Kurdish territory as a safe haven. Iraqi and Kurdish authorities reject the claim.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071015/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_us;_ylt=ApLIL_f6jjjG6kKwS_GP4Ttw24cA

And she keeps on and on

Pelosi says she'll press on with Armenian 'genocide' resolution

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Sunday that she intends to move ahead with a vote on a resolution that labels the deaths of more than a million Armenians during World War I as genocide.


The resolution has strained U.S. relations with Turkey and drawn criticism from the Bush administration.

"This resolution is one that is consistent with what our government has always said about ... what happened at that time," Pelosi said on ABC's "This Week."

When asked about criticism that it could harm relations with Turkey -- a key ally in the war in Iraq and a fellow member of NATO -- Pelosi said, "There's never been a good time," adding that it is important to pass the resolution now "because many of the survivors are very old."

"When I came to Congress 20 years ago, it wasn't the right time because of the Soviet Union. Then that fell, and then it wasn't the right time because of the Gulf War One. And then it wasn't the right time because of overflights of Iraq. And now it's not the right time because of Gulf War Two.


"And, again, the survivors of the Armenian genocide are not going to be with us."

But White House Spokesman Tony Fratto said bringing the resolution to a vote "may do grave harm to U.S.-Turkish relations and to U.S. interests in Europe and the Middle East."

Turkey's top general warned Sunday that ties with the United States will be irreversibly damaged if Congress passes the resolution, The Associated Press reported.

Turkey has recalled its ambassador from Washington for consultations and warned of cuts in logistical support to the United States over the issue. The recall is only for a limited period of time, said a U.S. State Department official who talked to the ambassador.

"If this resolution [that] passed in the committee passes the House as well, our military ties with the U.S. will never be the same again," Gen. Yasar Buyukanit told the daily Milliyet newspaper, according to AP

The House Foreign Affairs Committee voted 27-21 Wednesday to approve the nonbinding measure, which declares the deportation of nearly 2 million Armenians from the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923 was "systematic" and "deliberate," amounting to "genocide." The deportations led to the deaths of an estimated 1.5 million people.

But Sunday, Pelosi stood by her previous assertion that the measure would be taken to a full vote if it passed the committee.

Newly installed chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, tried to calm tensions by phoning his Turkish counterpart shortly after Wednesday's vote.

Mullen told Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, Turkey's chief of staff, that the Pentagon is working hard to inform Congress of what the military implications might be if the Turks were to respond by cutting off U.S. access to the air base at Incirlik in Turkey.

Seventy percent of U.S. air cargo bound for Iraq passes over or through Turkey.

The Armenian government and Armenians around the world, including many Armenian-Americans, have been pressing for international support for their contention that Armenians were the victims of genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.

The Ottoman Empire disintegrated in 1923, replaced by the modern republic of Turkey, where the Armenian issue remains sensitive. Turks reject the genocide label, insisting there was no organized campaign against the Armenians and that many Turks also died in the chaos and violence of the period.

Though predominantly Muslim, Turkey, which borders both Europe and Iraq, is secular and pro-Western. In addition to its membership in NATO, Ankara is also seeking to become a member of the European Union.

Speaking later on ABC's "This Week," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell denounced the House committee's vote -- despite agreeing with the assertion that the killings amounted to genocide.

"I think it's a really bad idea for the Congress to be condemning what happened 100 years ago," the Kentucky Republican said Sunday. "We all know it happened. There's a genocide museum, actually, in Armenia to commemorate what happened.

"But I don't think the Congress passing this resolution is a good idea at any point. But particularly not a good idea when Turkey is cooperating with us in many ways, which ensures greater safety for our soldiers."

Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham echoed those comments on CNN's Late Edition.

"I'm not worried about World War I. ... I'm worried about what I think is World War III, a war against extremists, and Iraq is the central battle front and Turkey has been a very good ally," Graham said Sunday.

"We've had problems with Turkey, but the problem that Turkey has with the northern part of Iraq, if you think it is bad now, let the country fail."


Turkey has engaged in ongoing cross-border skirmishes with rebels from the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, which launches raids from northern Iraq. The recent killings of Turkish soldiers brought the conflict to a boiling point, and Turkey's parliament may consider a motion to approve cross-border incursions into northern Iraq as early as this week. Watch how the rebels are straining U.S.-Turkish relations »

The United States and the EU have designated the PKK a terrorist organization. The U.S. State Department has urged Iraq to crack down on the PKK, though some Turkish officials have said Washington has failed to take decisive action.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/14/us.turkey/

[patriotsblade]

So let's not call something for what it is because it might upset some folks.

That's the American way, right Reverend?

[Kurtz]

I'll say this:
Working hard is a good thing but working smart is better.

This might be a very smart move on Speaker Pelosi's part.

[issac the dragon]

Fears of a new frontier of instability in the troubled Middle East sent oil prices soaring Friday to a record high of $84 a barrel. U.S. military officials predicted disastrous consequences if Turkey carries out a threat to strike northern Iraq and warned of serious repercussions for the safety of American troops if Turkey reduces the supply lines it now permits. The Seattle Times 10/15/07

I don't know what happened in Turkey in 1915. There are apparently two sides of that story. But I think that what happens to our soldiers today outweighs anything that might have happened then. And this resolution endangers them.

Furthermore, I am crass enough to resent having to pay more for gas to pacify 500 people who still remember what happened, who of course have bias.

[patriotsblade]

I don't know what happened in Turkey in 1915. There are apparently two sides of that story. But I think that what happens to our soldiers today outweighs anything that might have happened then. And this resolution endangers them.

You should look into what happened in Turkey in 1915. If we don't acknowlege it, we essentially deny it.

Speaking later on ABC's "This Week," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell denounced the House committee's vote -- despite agreeing with the assertion that the killings amounted to genocide.

Even this knucklehead McConnell knows the score here.

This is a matter of doing the right thing and accepting the consequences if neccessary.

[Kurtz]

You should look into what happened in Turkey in 1915. If we don't acknowlege it, we essentially deny it.



Even this knucklehead McConnell knows the score here.

This is a matter of doing the right thing and accepting the consequences if neccessary.


...which might lead to withdrawin' our troops from Iraq. :whistle

[issac the dragon]

While we are obsessing on the wrongs that might have occured during a civil war in Turkey in 1915, why don't we right some other wrongs?

We can condemn the Catholic Church for the Spanish Inquisition. We can condemn the US for commiting genocide against the American Indians. We can offer an official apology to all African Americans for slavery. I could go on indefinitly. " If we don't acknowledge it, we essentially deny it."

I don't think our opinion will change one thing. Except to screw our important relations with Turkey.

[Wabash]

I'll say this:


This might be a very smart move on Speaker Pelosi's part.

:whistle:whistle

[Kurtz]

:whistle:whistle


:para

[Yellowdogtexan]

This article is interesting. http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article3052373.eceThe story of the last century's first Holocaust – Winston Churchill used this very word about the Armenian genocide years before the Nazi murder of six million Jews – is well known, despite the refusal of modern-day Turkey to acknowledge the facts. Nor are the parallels with Nazi Germany's persecution of the Jews idle ones.

Turkey's reign of terror against the Armenian people was an attempt to destroy the Armenian race. While the Turks spoke publicly of the need to "resettle" their Armenian population – as the Germans were to speak later of the Jews of Europe – the true intentions of Enver Pasha's Committee of Union and Progress in Constantinople were quite clear.

On 15 September 1915, for example (and a carbon of this document exists), Talaat Pasha, the Turkish Interior minister, cabled an instruction to his prefect in Aleppo about what he should do with the tens of thousands of Armenians in his city. "You have already been informed that the government... has decided to destroy completely all the indicated persons living in Turkey... Their existence must be terminated, however tragic the measures taken may be, and no regard must be paid to either age or sex, or to any scruples of conscience."

These words are almost identical to those used by Himmler to his SS killers in 1941.

Taner Akcam, a prominent – and extremely brave – Turkish scholar who has visited the Yerevan museum, has used original Ottoman Turkish documents to authenticate the act of genocide. Now under fierce attack for doing so from his own government, he discovered in Turkish archives that individual Turkish officers often wrote "doubles" of their mass death-sentence orders, telegrams sent at precisely the same time that asked their subordinates to ensure there was sufficient protection and food for the Armenians during their "resettlement". This weirdly parallels the bureaucracy of Nazi Germany, where officials were dispatching hundreds of thousands of Jews to the gas chambers while assuring International Red Cross officials in Geneva that they were being well cared for and well fed.

Ottoman Turkey's attempt to exterminate an entire Christian race in the Middle East – the Armenians, descended from the residents of ancient Urartu, became the first Christian nation when their king Drtad converted from paganism in AD301 – is a history of almost unrelieved horror at the hands of Turkish policemen and soldiers, and Kurdish tribesmen.

In 1915, Turkey claimed that its Armenian population was supporting Turkey's Christian enemies in Britain, France and Russia. Several historians – including Churchill, who was responsible for the doomed venture at Gallipoli – have asked whether the Turkish victory there did not give them the excuse to turn against the Christian Armenians of Asia Minor, a people of mixed Persian, Roman and Byzantine blood, with what Churchill called "merciless fury".

Armenian scholars have compiled a map of their people's persecution and deportation, a document that is as detailed as the maps of Europe that show the railway lines to Auschwitz and Treblinka; the Armenians of Erzerum, for example, were sent on their death march to Terjan and then to Erzinjan and on to Sivas province.

[patriotsblade]

While we are obsessing on the wrongs that might have occured during a civil war in Turkey in 1915, why don't we right some other wrongs?

We can condemn the Catholic Church for the Spanish Inquisition. We can condemn the US for commiting genocide against the American Indians. We can offer an official apology to all African Americans for slavery. I could go on indefinitly. " If we don't acknowledge it, we essentially deny it."

I don't think our opinion will change one thing. Except to screw our important relations with Turkey.

Very good point issac, we should indeed do all of those things.

[Ringo]

So let's not call something for what it is because it might upset some folks.

That's the American way, right Reverend?

Unless it upsets some Liberal then we try to banish that person, but we cheer an ignorant ass like this woman, right Patriot???

[Kurtz]

Armenian scholars have compiled a map of their people's persecution and deportation, a document that is as detailed as the maps of Europe that show the railway lines to Auschwitz and Treblinka; the Armenians of Erzerum, for example, were sent on their death march to Terjan and then to Erzinjan and on to Sivas province.


Don't let the FACTS confuse some of you.

[Ringo]

Don't let the FACTS confuse some of you.

Wonder why she didn't announce this during Clinton's reign of terror, or why haven't the Dems brought this up for the 40+ years, they were screwing Congress up? Why now??

[Wabash]

Fears of a new frontier of instability in the troubled Middle East sent oil prices soaring Friday to a record high of $84 a barrel. U.S. military officials predicted disastrous consequences if Turkey carries out a threat to strike northern Iraq and warned of serious repercussions for the safety of American troops if Turkey reduces the supply lines it now permits. The Seattle Times 10/15/07

I don't know what happened in Turkey in 1915. There are apparently two sides of that story. But I think that what happens to our soldiers today outweighs anything that might have happened then. And this resolution endangers them.

Furthermore, I am crass enough to resent having to pay more for gas to pacify 500 people who still remember what happened, who of course have bias.
I totally AGREE with isaac!!!! A Very sensible post!
...which might lead to withdrawin' our troops from Iraq. :whistle

Proabably not....at any rate it is a STUPID action by Pelosi at this time! This idiotic move will cost the lives of American soldiers and raise the price of fuel to each and every one of us......

Can Pelosi be anymore of a MORON then she already is?

[Kurtz]

Wonder why she didn't announce this during Clinton's reign of terror, or why haven't the Dems brought this up for the 40+ years, they were screwing Congress up? Why now??

She's Speaker of the House now 'n she said she'd clean it up, in the
words of that great American President Bill Clinton..."Hide 'n watch."

Now's a good time. :)

[Wabash]

This article is interesting. http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article3052373.ece

Wrong time! Wait until the war is over...besides Turkey has been our ally for decades...we don't need to alienate them.
Very good point issac, we should indeed do all of those things.

Ya ....Right!:roll:roll

Unless it upsets some Liberal then we try to banish that person, but we cheer an ignorant ass like this woman, right Patriot???

Boy Howdy!

Wonder why she didn't announce this during Clinton's reign of terror, or why haven't the Dems brought this up for the 40+ years, they were screwing Congress up? Why now??

Because she's an ignorant, jealous Bitch!

She's Speaker of the House now 'n she said she'd clean it up, in the
words of that great American President Bill Clinton..."Hide 'n watch."

Now's a good time. :)
No it is NOT!!!!:shame:shame:shame

[Kurtz]

Wrong time! Wait until the war is over...besides turkey has been our ally for decades...we don't need to alienate them.




Wait until the war is over? :confused

She's doin' the right thing at the right time 'n tryin' to end that "war" NOW.

[Wabash]

Wait until the war is over? :confused

She's doin' the right thing at the right time 'n tryin' to end that "war" NOW.

I respectfully disagree...I think she is really fucking things up and usurping her authority! She is NOT the Commander in Chief, even thou she thinks she is...She is an ignorant dumbfuck?!

[Wabash]

Having I mentioned that the letter that she and Dingy Harry started and sent to Clear Channel has generated over $45 Grand on Ebay?

[Wabash]

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is concerned that Turkey could block vital U.S. supply routes to Iraq.

Seventy percent of the fuel and air shipments to the U.S. military in Iraq are currently routed through Turkey.

Officials said the Defense Department and U.S. military believe Ankara could retaliate to a U.S. House resolution that blamed Turkey for the killing of 1.5 million Armenians in World War I. They said Ankara could block weapons and supplies to the U.S. military in Iraq.

"I think we all recognize there were mass murders 95 years ago, 1915," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said. "The problem that we have is that this is clearly a very sensitive subject for one of our closest allies, and an ally that is incredibly important to the United States in terms of our operations in Iraq."

Gates said 70 percent of the U.S. air cargo to Iraq flies through Turkey. He said 70 percent of the fuel requirements of the U.S. military in Iraq also moves through neighboring Turkey.

Officials said Turkey also serves as the route for new U.S. armored vehicles to Iraq. They cited the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected, or MRAP, vehicles, designed to withstand improvised explosive devices.

"For those who are concerned that we get as many of these Mine Resistant Ambush Protected heavy vehicles into Iraq as possible, 95 percent of those vehicles today are being flown into Iraq through Turkey," Gates said on Oct. 12.

Another concern was that Turkey would limit the U.S. use of the Incirlik air force base near Iraq. The United States has sought to expand its use of Incirlik, now reserved for training and logistics missions.

[Wabash]

All Pelosi is doing is endangering the lives of ALL the troops in Iraq!

That is NOT supporting our troops, that is just the oppossite!

Pelosi is a Numskull!!!

[Wabash]

This is NOT the Way to go!
It is lunacy!

[AYFR]

So it is OK for Pelosi to push our allies away but when Bush does it it is wrong :confused

Sounds one-sided and biased

[AYFR]

I'll say this:


This might be a very smart move on Speaker Pelosi's part.

So let's not call something for what it is because it might upset some folks.

That's the American way, right Reverend?

Sure lets do the "smart" thing and alienate our allies.

No it is not a smart thing to do.

It also did not work the other two times this was tried either.

[toxic]

All Pelosi is doing is endangering the lives of ALL the troops in Iraq!

That is NOT supporting our troops, that is just the oppossite!

Pelosi is a Numskull!!!

If Turkey is endangering our troops WE SHOULD ATTACK THEM, unless Bush's balls have shrivled up like they are in ice water.

McConnell said yesterday that Turkey needed us more than we needed them.

Apparently the hysterical children at the RNC are geeting their Political guidance from Lush Rimbaugh, instead of the Repug leadership.

[April15]

Pelosi is doing what should have been done in many cases of genocide. I do hope we, the dems, can get to darfur before all are dead.

[toxic]

Sure lets do the "smart" thing and alienate our allies.

No it is not a smart thing to do.

It also did not work the other two times this was tried either.


I guess they aren't very good allies if they turn on us, for this minor thing.

They refused to let our troops through their country during the illegal preemptive strike too.

Bomb Turkey back into the stones age.

Glass over Turkey.

BTW, We have been buying their friendship for decades with arms sales. Where do you suppose they will get spare parts if we cut them off?

[Wabash]

So it is OK for Pelosi to push our allies away but when Bush does it it is wrong :confused

Sounds one-sided and biased

Sure it is...Totally biased!

If Turkey is endangering our troops WE SHOULD ATTACK THEM, unless Bush's balls have shrivled up like they are in ice water.

McConnell said yesterday that Turkey needed us more than we needed them.

Apparently the hysterical children at the RNC are geeting their Political guidance from Lush Rimbaugh, instead of the Repug leadership.

There are no hysterical children except in the Demo/Liberal/Commie Camp!

The enemy of the State is NOT Turkey, it is Nancy Pelosi!:pblade

[toxic]

This is NOT the Way to go!
It is lunacy!

Republicans try to blame Democrats for their failed diplomacy.

That will be a tough sell to people who can read.

[April15]

I guess they aren't very good allies if they turn on us, for this minor thing.

They refused to let our troops through their country during the illegal preemptive strike too.

Bomb Turkey back into the stones age.

Glass over Turkey.

BTW, We have been buying their friendship for decades with arms sales. Where do you suppose they will get spare parts if we cut them off?

Those we could not buy we conquered.

[Yellowdogtexan]

It is interesting to note that bush made some amusing statements back in 2000 when he was running for president. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/10/bush-armenian-genocide/Today, President Bush announced his opposition to a new congressional resolution labeling the Ottoman massacres of Armenians a “genocide.” Between 1915 and 1923, as many as 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Ottoman Turks. From Bush’s press briefing today: I urge members to oppose the Armenian genocide resolution now being considered by the House Foreign Affairs Committee. We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915. This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in NATO and in the global war on terror.But when Bush was running for president in 2000, he wrote a letter to the Armenian National Committee affirming that the Armenians were “subjected to a genocidal campaign.” He promised that if “elected president,” he would make sure that the United States “properly recognizes” the tragedy. From his letter:The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people.Iraq war politics may be part of the reason Bush is now opposing the resolution. In the White House briefing today, spokeswoman Dana Perino said, “[W]e have 160,000 of our troops in harm’s way in Iraq, and Turkey has been a very valuable ally, and their strong reaction — negative reaction about this resolution is what caused the president to come out today and ask members of Congress to oppose it.”

Turkey’s government is currently considering “a cross-border military operation to chase separatist Kurdish rebels who operate from bases in northern Iraq.” The Bush administration is pressuring Turkey’s parliament to oppose the move, which “could open a new war front in the most stable part of Iraq.”

Perino noted that Bush instead prefers to issue a “presidential message” each year to commemorate the tragedy

[AYFR]

This thread is not about Bush but aboout Pelosi, Please do try and stay on topic.

Not every thread has to turn into an "I hate Bush" thread

[toxic]

So it is OK for Pelosi to push our allies away but when Bush does it it is wrong :confused

Sounds one-sided and biased

Seems that the Reverend steered the conversation over to Bush.

Please, try to keep yourself on track in the future.

[AYFR]

Seems that the Reverend steered the conversation over to Bush.

Please, try to keep yourself on track in the future.

Making a comparison that was on topic, not generating a new topic like YDT was.

Mentioning Bush is one thing posting a whole article is another.

Do keep up

[Yellowdogtexan]

This thread is not about Bush but aboout Pelosi, Please do try and stay on topic.Wrong. If the topic is the damage being done to relations between Turkey and the US, then bush's prior statements are indeed relevant. bush has gone on record as attacking Speaker Pelosi for this resolution on genocide when bush made very similar statements earlier. Do you think that the govt of Turkey can not use the internet or does not have access to the statements made by bush with respect to this same issue.

You may be comfortable with bush saying one thing in 2000 but having an entirely different opinion in 2007 but that makes bush a flip flopper and calls into question his credibility.

[patriotsblade]

Wrong. If the topic is the damage being done to relations between Turkey and the US, then bush's prior statements are indeed relevant. bush has gone on record as attacking Speaker Pelosi for this resolution on genocide when bush made very similar statements earlier. Do you think that the govt of Turkey can not use the internet or does not have access to the statements made by bush with respect to this same issue.

You may be comfortable with bush saying one thing in 2000 but having an entirely different opinion in 2007 but that makes bush a flip flopper and calls into question his credibility.

:boyhowdy

[AYFR]

Wrong. If the topic is the damage being done to relations between Turkey and the US, then bush's prior statements are indeed relevant. bush has gone on record as attacking Speaker Pelosi for this resolution on genocide when bush made very similar statements earlier. Do you think that the govt of Turkey can not use the internet or does not have access to the statements made by bush with respect to this same issue.

You may be comfortable with bush saying one thing in 2000 but having an entirely different opinion in 2007 but that makes bush a flip flopper and calls into question his credibility.

Problem is Pelosi and crew have tried pass this BEFORE bush was even president

Once in the 80's and second int he 90's

So stick to what Pelosi said

Beside I am no fan of Bush either and HE is a lame duck president.

Try again

[Yellowdogtexan]

That does not matter. bush and the bushies are attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats for considering a resolution on the genocide committed in Turkey. bush is not opposed to such resolution but was in favor of the exact same resolution earlier. That flip flop is indeed releveant in evaluating the appropriateness of attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats on the current resolution.

[issac the dragon]

I guess they aren't very good allies if they turn on us, for this minor thing.

They refused to let our troops through their country during the illegal preemptive strike too.

Bomb Turkey back into the stones age.

Glass over Turkey.

BTW, We have been buying their friendship for decades with arms sales. Where do you suppose they will get spare parts if we cut them off?

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the Cheney branch of the Repulbican party. Any one who dares to disagree with the US should be bombed back to the stone age. If left up to them, we would be commiting genocide until there was no one left. Get a grip. We are not a nation of gods. There is nothing special about us. We don't get to kill everyone on earth. Leave the Turks alone. They are a fine people and diserve our respect. And they are one of the few allies we have left in the world thanks to thinking like this.

[Kurtz]

Wrong. If the topic is the damage being done to relations between Turkey and the US, then bush's prior statements are indeed relevant. bush has gone on record as attacking Speaker Pelosi for this resolution on genocide when bush made very similar statements earlier. Do you think that the govt of Turkey can not use the internet or does not have access to the statements made by bush with respect to this same issue.

You may be comfortable with bush saying one thing in 2000 but having an entirely different opinion in 2007 but that makes bush a flip flopper and calls into question his credibility.

That does not matter. bush and the bushies are attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats for considering a resolution on the genocide committed in Turkey. bush is not opposed to such resolution but was in favor of the exact same resolution earlier. That flip flop is indeed releveant in evaluating the appropriateness of attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats on the current resolution.

:yep

[AYFR]

That does not matter. bush and the bushies are attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats for considering a resolution on the genocide committed in Turkey. bush is not opposed to such resolution but was in favor of the exact same resolution earlier. That flip flop is indeed releveant in evaluating the appropriateness of attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats on the current resolution.

That does matter, because the Democrats are supposed to be respected, everyone knows that Bush is an idiot.

[April15]

That does matter, because the Democrats are supposed to be respected, everyone knows that Bush is an idiot.This quote will come back to haunt you!

[AYFR]

So. He is an idiot!

[Kurtz]

So. He is an idiot!


:cheers

[Wabash]

Wrong. If the topic is the damage being done to relations between Turkey and the US, then bush's prior statements are indeed relevant. bush has gone on record as attacking Speaker Pelosi for this resolution on genocide when bush made very similar statements earlier. Do you think that the govt of Turkey can not use the internet or does not have access to the statements made by bush with respect to this same issue.

You may be comfortable with bush saying one thing in 2000 but having an entirely different opinion in 2007 but that makes bush a flip flopper and calls into question his credibility.

Stay on topic...the issue is about pelosi bitch, not about President George W. Bush!

:boyhowdy

:godzilla

That does not matter. bush and the bushies are attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats for considering a resolution on the genocide committed in Turkey. bush is not opposed to such resolution but was in favor of the exact same resolution earlier. That flip flop is indeed releveant in evaluating the appropriateness of attacking Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats on the current resolution.

yada, yada, yada,....President Bush...pelosi....President Bush....pelosi...Bush, Bush, Bush....pelosi..:butt:butt:butt
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the Cheney branch of the Repulbican party. Any one who dares to disagree with the US should be bombed back to the stone age. If left up to them, we would be commiting genocide until there was no one left. Get a grip. We are not a nation of gods. There is nothing special about us. We don't get to kill everyone on earth. Leave the Turks alone. They are a fine people and diserve our respect. And they are one of the few allies we have left in the world thanks to thinking like this.

We don't want to kill everyone on earth, just the evil ones!:wink

:yep

:cuckoo

That does matter, because the Democrats are supposed to be respected, everyone knows that Bush is an idiot.

No, they really don't...because he's not..

[Yellowdogtexan]

Stay on topic...the issue is about pelosi bitch, not about President George W. Bush!..Wabby, this is on the topic. As I noted earlier bush is attacking Pelosi and the Democrats for making the exact same charges that he made back in 2000. There is no functional difference between the resolution being considered by the House and the letter and comments that bush put out in 2000. It is wrong for bush to attack someone who is merely repeating what bush said himself back in 2000.

[Wabash]

Wabby, this is on the topic. As I noted earlier bush is attacking Pelosi and the Democrats for making the exact same charges that he made back in 2000. There is no functional difference between the resolution being considered by the House and the letter and comments that bush put out in 2000. It is wrong for bush to attack someone who is merely repeating what bush said himself back in 2000.


President George W. Bush, duly elected President of the United States of America, is certainly free to change his mind and take a different position.

You Left Wing Whackos keep saying that Bush is pigheaded and won't change his stance on one thing or another, and when he does, you jump all over him for it. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!! pelosi is an idiot and attempting to undermine the office of the President!

[issac the dragon]

Wabby, this is on the topic. As I noted earlier bush is attacking Pelosi and the Democrats for making the exact same charges that he made back in 2000. There is no functional difference between the resolution being considered by the House and the letter and comments that bush put out in 2000. It is wrong for bush to attack someone who is merely repeating what bush said himself back in 2000.

Shame on you Yellowdog. You are not supposed to throw the idiots,( I'm just quoting,) words back at him. Idiots can't be held accountable. And that is the theme of the Bush admin.

[Wabash]

$51,100 now.........

[issac the dragon]

I hope someone pays $100,000 for it. Because it is going to be a worthless piece of crap in six months.

[patriotsblade]

I think it would be absolutely hilarious for someone with loose change like Soros for example to buy that letter and then send it back to Clear Channel.

[toxic]

So. He is an idiot!

Please stay on topic.

Toxic, the anal Republican for a day.

[toxic]

I hope someone pays $100,000 for it. Because it is going to be a worthless piece of crap in six months.

This sort of thing goes on all the time, I don't think these charity auctions are enforcable. Often auction items are in error and people bid on them with ridiculously high bids, knowing it is just nonsense.

[Wabash]

I hope someone pays $100,000 for it. Because it is going to be a worthless piece of crap in six months.

In the meantime, the Dems look like the idiots and LIARS that they are!

This sort of thing goes on all the time, I don't think these charity auctions are enforcable. Often auction items are in error and people bid on them with ridiculously high bids, knowing it is just nonsense.

See above....


oh, btw...Rush is matching the Winning bid! The money, no matter who wins, still goes to a very worthy cause and the Demos are the laughing stock of the country!

It's over $56,000 now and i suspect it will go waaaaay past $100,000..

[Cookie Parker]

Pelosi is doing what should have been done in many cases of genocide. I do hope we, the dems, can get to darfur before all are dead.

That's what I'm waiting on...it's one thing to condemn an action which took place in 1915...it's quite another to ignore genocide now...

[Ringo]

I hope someone pays $100,000 for it. Because it is going to be a worthless piece of crap in six months.

As opposed to being a WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP WRITTEN AND SIGNED BY VARIOUS WORTHLESS PIECE'S OF CRAP??????

Damn I shouldn't diss your dreamboat Harry :nerd Ried upstanding American Communist and Criminal!!:sheep:osama

[April15]

That's what I'm waiting on...it's one thing to condemn an action which took place in 1915...it's quite another to ignore genocide now...Well today's reports are waffling on the condemnation.

[April15]

As opposed to being a WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP WRITTEN AND SIGNED BY VARIOUS WORTHLESS PIECE'S OF CRAP??????

Damn I shouldn't diss your dreamboat Harry :nerd Ried upstanding American Communist and Criminal!!:sheep:osamaRingo,
You might just want to sit back and do a reassessment of who you are.

[Wabash]

That's what I'm waiting on...it's one thing to condemn an action which took place in 1915...it's quite another to ignore genocide now...

Exactly!!! The only reason pelosi is doing it now is to undermine Bush and the Troops! If it were soooo important, how come Congress, under Demo rule for 40 years didn't do anything? Or...Slick Willy after 8 years???
It's all Bush Bashing politics from pelosi!

Well today's reports are waffling on the condemnation.


Good! It's Stupid at this time or anytime after nearly 100 years later!

[Wabash]

$2,000,200.00....

[Cookie Parker]

Way to go Bush....

National Debt Clock

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[AYFR]

Way to go Bush....

National Debt Clock

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

The National Debt has steadly risen for the past several decades no matter whom the president was.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

[Cookie Parker]

The National Debt has steadly risen for the past several decades no matter whom the president was.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm



Well, then, bush is just better at creating it than the others...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/fourth-largest-deficit/

And what are his plans for paying it off?

Why NOT...he wants to borrow more money from Communist China to invade Iran...