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Kurtz
10-11-2007, 12:13 PM
Majorities of young people in America describe modern-day Christianity as judgmental, hypocritical and anti-gay. What's more, many Christians don't even want to call themselves "Christian" because of the baggage that accompanies the label.

A new book based on research by the California-based research firm The Barna Group found that church attitudes about people in general and gays in particular are driving a negative image of the Christian faith among people ages 16-29.

"The Christian community's ability to take the high road and help to deal with some of the challenges that this (anti-gay) perception represents may be the ... defining response of the Christian church in the next decade," said David Kinnaman, Barna Group president and author of the book, UnChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity.

"The anti-homosexual perception has now become sort of the Geiger counter of Christians' ability to love and work with people."

The findings were based on surveys of a sample of 867 young people. From that total, researchers reported responses from 440 non-Christians and 305 active churchgoers.

The vast majority of non-Christians — 91% — said Christianity had an anti-gay image, followed by 87% who said it was judgmental and 85% who said it was hypocritical.

Such views were held by smaller percentages of the active churchgoers, but the faith still did not fare well: 80% agreed with the anti-gay label, 52% said Christianity is judgmental, and 47% declared it hypocritical.

Kinnaman said one of the biggest surprises for researchers was the extent to which respondents — one in four non-Christians — said that modern-day Christianity was no longer like Jesus.

"It started to become more clear to us that what they're experiencing related to Christianity is some of the very things that Jesus warned religious people about," he said. "Which is, avoiding removing the log from your own eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else's."

Kinnaman said some Christians — including those in the entertainment industry — preferred to call themselves "followers of Jesus" or "apprentices of Christ" because the word "Christian" could limit their ability to relate to people. Even Kinnaman, 33, described himself as "a committed Christ follower," though he has called himself a Christian in the past.

In addition to reporting on the negative statistics, Kinnaman used the book to also give advice — from himself and more than two dozen Christian leaders — on new approaches.

"Our goal wasn't simply to say here's all the problems, but to hopefully point a way forward," Kinnaman said.

"When Jesus pursued people, he was much more critical of pride and much more critical of spiritual arrogance than he was of people who were sinful. And today's Christians, if you spend enough time looking at their attitudes and actions, really are not like Jesus when it comes to that."

Megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., used the book to say he hopes the church will become "known more by what it is for than what it is against.

"For some time now, the hands and feet of the body of Christ have been amputated, and we've been pretty much reduced to a big mouth," Warren wrote. "We talk more than we do. It's time to reattach the limbs and let the church be the church in the 21st century."

Andy Stanley, senior pastor of North Point Ministries in Atlanta, suggested that churches should not focus solely on converting people, as has been the emphasis for generations.

"If we were able to rewrite the script for the reputation of Christianity, I think we would put the emphasis on developing relationships with non-believers, serving them, loving them, and making them feel accepted," he wrote.

"Only then would we earn the right to share the gospel."

The research reported in UnChristian reflected larger Barna Group studies with about 1,000 respondents as well as the specific study of young people. The sample of 440 non-Christians had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points and the sample of 305 active churchgoers had a margin of error of plus or minus 6 percentage points.


Study (http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-10-10-christians-young_N.htm)

Interestin'.

Yellowdogtexan
10-11-2007, 01:21 PM
This is one of the trends that have also caused many young people to move away from supporting the GOP and towards identifying themselves with the Democratic Party. Many young people do not accept intolerance and homophobia which is why many young are more likely to identify with Democrats rather than the GOP which also has the same baggage as Christianity. I posted some good research and poling data on the old board on this concept.

Saguaro
10-11-2007, 01:25 PM
Your old posts are in the Library forum

Yellowdogtexan
10-11-2007, 01:49 PM
Your old posts are in the Library forumI know and I will retrieve that research if I need to .

chinacat
10-11-2007, 01:58 PM
I think it's pretty judgemental to lump together millions of Christian people like that. I have known many who were very tolerant, open-minded people & really seem to follow the principals that Jesus taught. I know some very devout Christians who are a little wary of the response they will get when they talk about their faith because some really outspoken fanatics give the rest of them a bad name...

I guess it's kind of the same thing many mainstream muslims must feel about certain wackos who currently represent their religion in the media. I went to an open house at a local mosque and the overall theme seemed to be "Muslims -we're not all terrorists." DH and I both felt it was pretty sad that they felt they had to defend their faith as much as celebrating it.

Sad in both cases that there has to be such misunderstanding and hatred.

AYFR
10-11-2007, 05:06 PM
In todays world the minority defines the whole. When a small percentage does something people ASSume that the whole does it as well.

Kurtz
10-11-2007, 05:10 PM
In todays world the minority defines the whole. When a small percentage does something people ASSume that the whole does it as well.

One bad apple theory, you're right!

AYFR
10-11-2007, 05:11 PM
Thank you

Kurtz
10-11-2007, 05:13 PM
You're most welcome!!

cassandra
10-11-2007, 09:02 PM
In todays world the minority defines the whole. When a small percentage does something people ASSume that the whole does it as well.

I agree with Rev.

While there is so much good as well as bad the bad speaks louder. :(

issac the dragon
10-11-2007, 09:12 PM
I don't think that the 'regular or normal' Christians have done very much to alter that perception though. I don't hear people standing up against the Falwell's of the country and saying, that isn't what Christianity is about.

AYFR
10-11-2007, 09:17 PM
I don't think that the 'regular or normal' Christians have done very much to alter that perception though. I don't hear people standing up against the Falwell's of the country and saying, that isn't what Christianity is about.

You're not listening then

Saguaro
10-11-2007, 09:21 PM
I haven't heard a word from them

AYFR
10-11-2007, 09:22 PM
Lets see I talked against Falwell

Izdaari
10-12-2007, 03:43 AM
The observations cited in the OP are fair and accurate, and we Christ followers (I prefer that term too) must take heed. Churches that do will do well... but more importantly, IMO they'll be doing God's will.

Yellowdogtexan
10-12-2007, 04:39 PM
The observations cited in the OP are fair and accurate, and we Christ followers (I prefer that term too) must take heed. Churches that do will do well... but more importantly, IMO they'll be doing God's will.Many young people reject the concept of intolerance and homophobia. If religions and political party want to appeal to these young people, they need to keep this in mind.

The GOP has lost a large number of young people who now identifying with the Democratic party due to the homophobia and intolerance of the GOP. Churchs may want to pay attention to this trend.

Trueblue
10-12-2007, 06:18 PM
I think it's pretty judgemental to lump together millions of Christian people like that. I have known many who were very tolerant, open-minded people & really seem to follow the principals that Jesus taught. I know some very devout Christians who are a little wary of the response they will get when they talk about their faith because some really outspoken fanatics give the rest of them a bad name...

I guess it's kind of the same thing many mainstream muslims must feel about certain wackos who currently represent their religion in the media. I went to an open house at a local mosque and the overall theme seemed to be "Muslims -we're not all terrorists." DH and I both felt it was pretty sad that they felt they had to defend their faith as much as celebrating it.

Sad in both cases that there has to be such misunderstanding and hatred.

:clap

Cookie Parker
10-12-2007, 06:54 PM
I think it's pretty judgemental to lump together millions of Christian people like that. I have known many who were very tolerant, open-minded people & really seem to follow the principals that Jesus taught. I know some very devout Christians who are a little wary of the response they will get when they talk about their faith because some really outspoken fanatics give the rest of them a bad name...

I guess it's kind of the same thing many mainstream muslims must feel about certain wackos who currently represent their religion in the media. I went to an open house at a local mosque and the overall theme seemed to be "Muslims -we're not all terrorists." DH and I both felt it was pretty sad that they felt they had to defend their faith as much as celebrating it.

Sad in both cases that there has to be such misunderstanding and hatred.

While I agree there are many true Christians, the sad news is they sat by idly while the evangelicals took over their religion much as the conservatives sat by while the neocons took over the republican party. In the silence from both groups, formed the opinion and reputation of the "Christian" and "Republicans". After 30 years, it's a well-formed opinion in the minds of many...and there's been little to nothing done from the Christian community to speak out against the hatred from the evangelicals.

But you're right...it's sad..it's not hate coming from others and their perceptions of Christians...it's the lack of love from the Christians that is allowing that to occur..Everyone wanted the Muslims to speak out against the terrorists...why didn't the Christians speak out against the Evangelists?

Izdaari
10-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Many young people reject the concept of intolerance and homophobia. If religions and political party want to appeal to these young people, they need to keep this in mind.

The GOP has lost a large number of young people who now identifying with the Democratic party due to the homophobia and intolerance of the GOP. Churchs may want to pay attention to this trend.
I absolutely agree, and I reject homophobia and intolerance also. (Easy for me to say as a mostly gay woman. :snicker )

I think those young people have gone the wrong direction by going with the Democrats instead of the Libertarians, but they're right that the GOP is wrong on those points.

Izdaari
10-12-2007, 10:25 PM
While I agree there are many true Christians, the sad news is they sat by idly while the evangelicals took over their religion much as the conservatives sat by while the neocons took over the republican party. In the silence from both groups, formed the opinion and reputation of the "Christian" and "Republicans". After 30 years, it's a well-formed opinion in the minds of many...and there's been little to nothing done from the Christian community to speak out against the hatred from the evangelicals.

But you're right...it's sad..it's not hate coming from others and their perceptions of Christians...it's the lack of love from the Christians that is allowing that to occur..Everyone wanted the Muslims to speak out against the terrorists...why didn't the Christians speak out against the Evangelists?
Funny, I don't remember sitting idly by. I've been busy advocating for a more loving, more tolerant Christianity both in person and online, lo these many years. I haven't won yet, but I'm not giving up. And I'm by no means the only one.

I am, btw, an evangelical... but not a hateful one. I'm also conservative theologically (mostly) and politically (in a libertarian way), so though I'm Christian and of the Right, I am not of the Christian Right.

I'm also working on taking back the Republican Party for the real conservatives, the small government conservatives, and that struggle too will take patience, determination, and perseverance. Y'all are welcome to pitch in and help.

Kurtz
10-12-2007, 10:34 PM
:theman

But I can't join ya. :D

Izdaari
10-13-2007, 11:37 PM
Why sure ya can, Kurtz! We'd love to have you. You'd probably need to change your mind on a few issues, but that little bit of flip-flopping on your part wouldn't bother me. :wink

Viki
10-14-2007, 06:26 AM
I don't think that the 'regular or normal' Christians have done very much to alter that perception though. I don't hear people standing up against the Falwell's of the country and saying, that isn't what Christianity is about.

I agree you don't often HEAR people doing just that, but I can personally testify that I do it everyday - often on this board - in conversation, in living, in training and in teaching and preaching and so do lots of other Christians - particularly of the mainline flavor.

BUT you almost never hear one of us invited on to FOX, MSNBC, or CNN. Can you imagine the promo voice over, "Coming up NEXT ... Christians who practice loving ALL people, just like Jesus."

Nope, neither can I... :(

Kurtz
10-14-2007, 08:49 AM
Why sure ya can, Kurtz! We'd love to have you. You'd probably need to change your mind on a few issues, but that little bit of flip-flopping on your part wouldn't bother me. :wink

Oh, you just wanna see me flip-flop, I know your kind. :max

j/k ya Iz, good to hear your input on this kinda stuff. :hug

Yellowdogtexan
10-15-2007, 07:27 AM
This was in today's Houston paper. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5212398.htmlYoung white evangelical Christians, a bulwark of support for President Bush, have been dropping away from the president and the GOP. Although 87 percent of evangelicals 18 to 29 years old approved of his job performance in 2002, just 45 percent say they do now, according to a Pew Center survey. Those who said they're Republican has fallen from 55 percent in 2001 to 40 percent this year.

Some are staying conservative but declaring their independence.

Daniel Aguilar, 22, a first-year law student at UT, said he used to consider himself Republican but thought the party had lost its focus over the Iraq war and debate over gay marriage.

"It wasn't what conservatism was about anymore, that is, getting out of people's business and letting them do the right thing," he said.