The Island of Lesbos.

[The Q]

The word "lesbian" is derived from the poems of Sappho, (a resident of the Island of Lesbos) which contain powerful emotional content directed toward other women and have frequently been interpreted as expressing homosexual love.

Throughout history women (sometimes very famous and influential women) have had deep spiritual, physical, and emotional connections with other women.

This goes beyond the bonds of "sisterhood". This is a deep and passionate love, which may or may not have had expressed itself sexually.

For members of TPA who are lesbians, or who have experienced this kind of loving relationship with another woman, we present...

THE ISLAND OF LESBOS!

A new MOF for women only.

To become a member you may select the forum from your user CP and request to be admitted. Membership in this forum is strictly confidential.

Only members with a sincere interest in this group will be allowed, so do not be offended if you apply and are asked to provide a short essay about why you want to join.

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[Kurtz]

:para

[The Q]

What? You think you're the only one? Not even close.

Shhh. They're everywhere. :para

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[Sweet Tart]

:para

[Kurtz]

What? You think you're the only one? Not even close.

Shhh. They're everywhere. :para

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Oh, that's just it.
You ever get a bunch of lesbos together?
It can get quite ugly, I may not ask for admittance, I got enough problems. :lol

[The Q]

Too bad. We're already having fun in there. :max

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[Sweet Tart]

Kurtz is scared :drevil

[issac the dragon]

I've had close friends, but I think not that close. Only with female relatives. I never had the time. But you have fun. I do like women. Can't say I've ever had a male friend. They aren't trustworthy.

[The Q]

You know, I want to also invite anyone who has lesbian friends or family members, or anyone who is curious about the lesbian lifestyle...or who has experimented in the past.

There's no pressure to "BE" a lesbian in the forum--but it is there for people to freely post thoughts, questions and feelings. :)

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[Kurtz]

Too bad. We're already having fun in there. :max

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Kurtz is scared :drevil

Oh women, I am tempted by them. :lmao

Have I ever told y'all I love powerful women? :sparks

I've had close friends, but I think not that close. Only with female relatives. I never had the time. But you have fun. I do like women. Can't say I've ever had a male friend. They aren't trustworthy.

Come on, issac, you know you want to. :max

I may have to get in there, at least to peek. :D

[AYFR]

Don't mind me I'm just watching. :D

[Kurtz]

Don't mind me I'm just watching. :D


:cheers
I have so much in common with these menfolk!! :D

[graybeard]

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body...does that count?

[Sweet Tart]

Only if you shove a tampon up your ass :para

[graybeard]

Only if you shove a tampon up your ass :para

I don't know of any lesbians that do that so I don't see how that should be a qualification...I prefer the pads anyway.:wink

[toxic]

Real Question:
If two women who are married to others, have a deep and passionate love for each other:

Is that marital infidelity?

[Semantics]

Real Question:
If two women who are married to others, have a deep and passionate love for each other:

Is that marital infidelity?

According to the law- yes.


My personal opinion is that each marriage is unique and defined by the two parties involved.

[issac the dragon]

Its kind of like Pflag? Did I spell that right? I have friends who are gay. Men and women. One is like a daughter to me. And relatives. But I haven't seen them in years. Let me think. What would we talk about that isn't talked about on the board anyway?

[The Q]

I think it would depend on the parameters of your marriage. But for the most part, I'd say yes.

I'm not married to my husband just for "the sex" or "the money". We have a very important relationship that is based on our shared experiences, our common goals, our respect for one another, and frienship. In my opinion, you can only have ONE relationship like that at any given time. Gender is not the issue--the relationship itself is.

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[cassandra]

I think it would depend on the parameters of your marriage. But for the most part, I'd say yes.

I'm not married to my husband just for "the sex" or "the money". We have a very important relationship that is based on our shared experiences, our common goals, our respect for one another, and frienship. In my opinion, you can only have ONE relationship like that at any given time. Gender is not the issue--the relationship itself is.


Great post!

[Kurtz]

This documentary has an interestin' perspective about two women who were married to men, but were also in love with each other:

Ruthie and Connie (http://www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/03march/dickson.htm)
They're Jewish, they're grandmothers, and they're lesbians. But they're also so much more, as you'll find out in Deborah Dickson's powerful and intimate documentary. Ruth Berman and Connie Kurtz first met in Brooklyn in 1959, both young married women raising their young children. Becoming fast friends, they soon both moved with their families near Coney Island, where they became active community leaders. Then, in 1974, something incredible happened - they fell in love. Though struggling with homophobia, both society's and their own, Ruth and Connie decided to leave their marriages and children for one another. While it hasn't always been smooth sailing, they've ridden out the rough spots with humor, passion, and wisdom, redefining and reinventing their own version of "family values." Along the way, their political spirit resurfaces, leading to their fight against the New York City Board of Education for domestic partner benefits, and their establishment of a PFLAG chapter for retirees in Florida. Ruthie & Connie demonstrates the wit and wisdom, heartache and joy of these two wonderfully funny and deeply complex women who live their private lives in public and with passion.

[The Q]

Well, that's different.

If you fall in love with someone else, then you talk to your partner and decide what to do--whether it be divorce or whatever. You don't have an affair.

If Mr. The Q came to me and said, "You know, I've been dealing with this forever and I can't deny any longer that I am gay. I have a friend who has helped me realize this and I think I need to be with him." It would be VERY hard--but I would respect him totally for that, as opposed to finding him on the news after being arrested in a bathroom sting operation. :roll

Then how could I deny that? I would have to do everything in my power to support him. Why would I force him to live an unhappy life? I love him--not just because he's "mine". I love him because he's a wonderful person and I want him to be happy. In the same way I love my own family or my children. And I would hope they would all have the same degree of love for me, too.

Loving someone means respecting them--either by being honest about who you are, or by allowing someone to be who they are.

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[Kurtz]

Historically, women have been married and had their female lovers on the side, a lot of times with their husbands knowledge just as men have had their 'discretions.'

Vita Sackville West's son Nigel Nicolson wrote about his parent's marriage in a book titled Portrait of a Marriage ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_a_Marriage) It's an interestin' read since it involves not only Vita's marriage, but her relationships with Violet Trefusis and Virginia Woolf.

[toxic]

I think it would depend on the parameters of your marriage. But for the most part, I'd say yes.

I'm not married to my husband just for "the sex" or "the money". We have a very important relationship that is based on our shared experiences, our common goals, our respect for one another, and frienship. In my opinion, you can only have ONE relationship like that at any given time. Gender is not the issue--the relationship itself is.

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So you and Oceanbreeze are both saying, Yes, that is marital infidelity.

That was not the answer I was expecting!

I was actually curious to know if women would feel it was so different from their marriage relationship (as you detail above), that is would be irrelevant to the marriage.

If you considered it irrelevant (but you didn't), then you would have been handling it much the same way men handle such extracurricular activities.

I was hoping to find a common thread in male-female behavior and failed again.

[toxic]

I meant to say Semantics and wrote Oceanbreeze. Sorry

In the back of my mind, I was also trying to figure how to retaliate against Oceanbreeze for gifting me this Avatar.

[The Q]

:lmao

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[crazierthanever]

Well, that's different.

If you fall in love with someone else, then you talk to your partner and decide what to do--whether it be divorce or whatever. You don't have an affair.

If Mr. The Q came to me and said, "You know, I've been dealing with this forever and I can't deny any longer that I am gay. I have a friend who has helped me realize this and I think I need to be with him." It would be VERY hard--but I would respect him totally for that, as opposed to finding him on the news after being arrested in a bathroom sting operation. :roll

Then how could I deny that? I would have to do everything in my power to support him. Why would I force him to live an unhappy life? I love him--not just because he's "mine". I love him because he's a wonderful person and I want him to be happy. In the same way I love my own family or my children. And I would hope they would all have the same degree of love for me, too.

Loving someone means respecting them--either by being honest about who you are, or by allowing someone to be who they are.

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Excellent post and trust me I'm no butt kisser.:theman If I'm telling the big wig here she did good I must really mean it. (I have a big problem with authority figures - go figure.:hotdog)

[crazierthanever]

Historically, women have been married and had their female lovers on the side, a lot of times with their husbands knowledge just as men have had their 'discretions.'

Vita Sackville West's son Nigel Nicolson wrote about his parent's marriage in a book titled Portrait of a Marriage ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_a_Marriage) It's an interestin' read since it involves not only Vita's marriage, but her relationships with Violet Trefusis and Virginia Woolf.

You're referencing really big books with big words. I'm feeling a tad threatened. :kurtz

[Kurtz]

You're referencing really big books with big words. I'm feeling a tad threatened. :kurtz

Portrait of a Marriage is also in film.
But it's a six hour mini series. :lmao



:kurtz

[toxic]

Excellent post and trust me I'm no butt kisser. ...


Butt kissing may be appropriate at the Island of Lesbos (forum).

[crazierthanever]

Butt kissing may be appropriate at the Island of Lesbos (forum).

As a friend of mine likes to say 'OH GLORY!'

[The Q]

:butt

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[crazierthanever]

Butt kissing may be appropriate at the Island of Lesbos (forum).

Perhaps I ought to be more specific. I enjoy a good ass kissing in the proper situation.:devil

[The Q]

Perhaps I ought to be more specific. I enjoy a good ass kissing in the proper situation.:devil

Who doesn't? :dunno

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[Kurtz]

Perhaps I ought to be more specific. I enjoy a good ass kissing in the proper situation.:devil

Who doesn't? :dunno

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Hello Ladies!
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