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*spin off from BBrown's profile thread*
I was reading the arguments abortion vs. prostitution . . . why is prostitution illegal?
A woman has a right to do what she wants to her body (roe v. wade) - it's a private issues.
A woman can have sex with all the people she wants and it's fine . . . as long as no revenue exchanges hands.
So, it's the money for sex issue.
BUT porno stars get money for having sex . . . why is that different?
Sweet Tart
10-09-2007, 08:31 PM
Because prostitutes use birth control so churches get no new babies. New babies = more money.
Saguaro
10-09-2007, 08:36 PM
*spin off from BBrown's profile thread*
I was reading the arguments abortion vs. prostitution . . . why is prostitution illegal?
A woman has a right to do what she wants to her body (roe v. wade) - it's a private issues.
A woman can have sex with all the people she wants and it's fine . . . as long as no revenue exchanges hands.
So, it's the money for sex issue.
BUT porno stars get money for having sex . . . why is that different?
They pay taxes on those earnings
I wonder how that works for Catholic prostitutes . . . :hide
They pay taxes on those earnings
So let prostitutes claim their earning like every other private contractor
Kurtz
10-09-2007, 08:56 PM
So let prostitutes claim their earning like every other private contractor
They'd like to, course, some folks don't want them unionized.
Because for some odd reason it is ok to commit murder but not ok to have sex how you want it.
Saguaro
10-09-2007, 08:59 PM
:faint
I must add that it is my personal belief that abortion is murder.
Kurtz
10-09-2007, 09:10 PM
Ya know Rev, some folks have sex for just the fun of it, it doesn't always lead to babies. Cats 'n dogs do it coz they like it, they ain't thinking God told them to go forth 'n multiply. :lol
What does abortion have to do with prostitution? :confused
I was responding the the OP.
was reading the arguments abortion vs. prostitution . . . why is prostitution illegal?
A woman has a right to do what she wants to her body (roe v. wade) - it's a private issues.
A woman can have sex with all the people she wants and it's fine . . . as long as no revenue exchanges hands.
So, it's the money for sex issue.
Ya know Rev, some folks have sex for just the fun of it, it doesn't always lead to babies. Cats 'n dogs do it coz they like it, they ain't thinking God told them to go forth 'n multiply. :lol
Never said that wasn't true. Sex for pleasure is fun. I am not catholic I do believe in protection and birth control.
Kurtz
10-09-2007, 09:21 PM
Never said that wasn't true. Sex for pleasure is fun. I am not catholic I do believe in protection and birth control.
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issac the dragon
10-09-2007, 10:30 PM
IMHO prostitution is illegal because only women can do it. Yes, there are male prostitures, but most of them are making a lot of money. Prostitution is basically a woman thing and women are not and never have been allowed to make money on woman things. Can't get pregnant and sell your baby either. When a woman does a woman thing, men say it's holy and then it can't be sold.
Lone Laugher
10-10-2007, 06:16 AM
I am always amused ( well, not really ) by feeble attempts to make the abortion issue into a simple, right vs wrong matter. It is, obviously, far more complicated.
You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who is "pro-abortion". Even the staunchest pro-choice advocates don't go around saying that abortion is a lovely act that one should aspire to initiate.
The fact is, you can be a pro-choice atheist in favor of keeping Roe-V-Wade and still wish for abortions to be eliminated via advances in medical science and improvements in our sex education and social programs. You can be a devout Christian and still support another's choice to abort a child if the conception was the result of rape or if the pregnancy is believed to be dangerous to the health of the mother.
To spit out a comment such as "abortion is murder" is to admit to not understanding the complexities of the matter. It is that sort of low level discussion that has led to the widening of the divide. The religious right has co-opted the issue...and made it a simple "good vs evil" matter. How unfortunate.
I am always amused ( well, not really ) by feeble attempts to make the abortion issue into a simple, right vs wrong matter. It is, obviously, far more complicated.
You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who is "pro-abortion". Even the staunchest pro-choice advocates don't go around saying that abortion is a lovely act that one should aspire to initiate.
The fact is, you can be a pro-choice atheist in favor of keeping Roe-V-Wade and still wish for abortions to be eliminated via advances in medical science and improvements in our sex education and social programs. You can be a devout Christian and still support another's choice to abort a child if the conception was the result of rape or if the pregnancy is believed to be dangerous to the health of the mother.
To spit out a comment such as "abortion is murder" is to admit to not understanding the complexities of the matter. It is that sort of low level discussion that has led to the widening of the divide. The religious right has co-opted the issue...and made it a simple "good vs evil" matter. How unfortunate.
To say that it is not murder is to have a disregard for human life.
Besides Roe v Wade is a privacy ruling which is why it is funny that prostution is illegal.
Lone Laugher
10-10-2007, 06:44 AM
Glad to see that you've an open mind there, Rev.
Cookie Parker
10-10-2007, 09:27 AM
I think it isn't legal because so far men make money off it...
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 05:29 PM
I am always amused ( well, not really ) by feeble attempts to make the abortion issue into a simple, right vs wrong matter. It is, obviously, far more complicated.
You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who is "pro-abortion". Even the staunchest pro-choice advocates don't go around saying that abortion is a lovely act that one should aspire to initiate.
The fact is, you can be a pro-choice atheist in favor of keeping Roe-V-Wade and still wish for abortions to be eliminated via advances in medical science and improvements in our sex education and social programs. You can be a devout Christian and still support another's choice to abort a child if the conception was the result of rape or if the pregnancy is believed to be dangerous to the health of the mother.
To spit out a comment such as "abortion is murder" is to admit to not understanding the complexities of the matter. It is that sort of low level discussion that has led to the widening of the divide. The religious right has co-opted the issue...and made it a simple "good vs evil" matter. How unfortunate.
Thank you.
To say that it is not murder is to have a disregard for human life.
Besides Roe v Wade is a privacy ruling which is why it is funny that prostution is illegal.
I'm sorry, but that is just not so. I do not disregard human life, I believe as LL says in his post, above.
People have the right to private medical decisions, and that is what R v. W is, a protection of that right.
cassandra
10-10-2007, 05:54 PM
IMHO prostitution is illegal because only women can do it. Yes, there are male prostitures, but most of them are making a lot of money. Prostitution is basically a woman thing and women are not and never have been allowed to make money on woman things. Can't get pregnant and sell your baby either. When a woman does a woman thing, men say it's holy and then it can't be sold.
I think that you are onto something Issac.
I also agree with Rev that abortion is murder. Course people get away with murder everyday.
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 06:07 PM
How can it be murder? You don't get a tax deduction for a dependent when you are pregnant. We don't have a funeral or issue death certificates when someone has a miscarriage. In fact, women who have miscarriages often get way too little support, but the fact remains that we've never considered an embryo to be a human being. That is not far away from making sure that women are pregnant all the time so that no egg is ever denied the chance to become fertilized.
cassandra
10-10-2007, 06:12 PM
Sorry I am not interested in debating abortion. Those jumps you are making in your post TB are laughable, but they are your ideas.
Plain and simple. . . You kill something that is human and living you are killing it. Killing someone is considered murder. End of my story.
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Sorry I am not interested in debating abortion. Those jumps you are making in your post TB are laughable, but they are your ideas.
Plain and simple. . . You kill something that is human and living you are killing it. Killing someone is considered murder. End of my story.
I'd love to hear how my points are laughable, Cassandra. There are no jumps, it's a list of examples. I think you just hadn't thought of it that way before.
I'm simply pointing out what society's true attitude towards an embryo is-we value it, but we do not consider it the same as a person.
Abortion isn't killing someone, so while that may be the end of your argument, it is not the end of the story.
Stem cells are not people, embryos are not people.
Having an abortion is not murder. Even killing a living person isn't always considered murder-we have wars, we have self-defense killing, we have executions, and we call some killings manslaughter, and others murder.
It's not simple, nothing about this is simple. I will restrain myself from making a smarmy comment about your ideas at this point.
How can it be murder? You don't get a tax deduction for a dependent when you are pregnant. We don't have a funeral or issue death certificates when someone has a miscarriage. In fact, women who have miscarriages often get way too little support, but the fact remains that we've never considered an embryo to be a human being. That is not far away from making sure that women are pregnant all the time so that no egg is ever denied the chance to become fertilized.
Here is how it is murder
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/09/15/news/doc46eaab8d95ee0981221960.txt
http://www.topix.com/city/madisonville-ky/2007/09/man-gets-five-years-in-death-of-unborn-child
http://www.covenantnews.com/abortion/archives/033744.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/13/PETERSON13.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/02/07/national/a163528S53.DTL
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=6634572
More here
http://www.topix.com/city/madisonville-ky/2007/09/man-gets-five-years-in-death-of-unborn-child
Also this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.2436:
Either the fetus is considered a human and thus protected by the law againt murder or it is not, you can't have both. Either it is or it isn't there is no inbetween
Lone Laugher
10-10-2007, 07:12 PM
Sorry I am not interested in debating abortion. Those jumps you are making in your post TB are laughable, but they are your ideas.
Plain and simple. . . You kill something that is human and living you are killing it. Killing someone is considered murder. End of my story.
NO! Killing someone WITH MALICE is considered murder. Huge difference.
NO! Killing someone WITH MALICE is considered murder. Huge difference.
Without malice then it is manslaughter.
So sorry abortion is manslaughter then
Lone Laugher
10-10-2007, 07:54 PM
Like I said....huge difference.
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 07:56 PM
Here is how it is murder
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/09/15/news/doc46eaab8d95ee0981221960.txt
http://www.topix.com/city/madisonville-ky/2007/09/man-gets-five-years-in-death-of-unborn-child
http://www.covenantnews.com/abortion/archives/033744.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/13/PETERSON13.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/02/07/national/a163528S53.DTL
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=6634572
More here
http://www.topix.com/city/madisonville-ky/2007/09/man-gets-five-years-in-death-of-unborn-child
Also this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.2436:
Either the fetus is considered a human and thus protected by the law againt murder or it is not, you can't have both. Either it is or it isn't there is no inbetween
Actually, you can have it both ways.
Roe v. Wade looks at when a fetus is viable.
BTW, an embryo is not viable, and a fetus is not the same as an embryo.
Using your logic, then many methods of birth control would be illegal.
Kurtz
10-10-2007, 08:03 PM
Abortion or pregnancy termination is a medical procedure as is assisted suicide death with dignity. We can all play word games, but one can't have simple solutions/sayin's to complex situations.
War is murder too, so is self defense, as is justifiable homicide...ya wanna play right and wrong? Play God all you want, but you still gotta live in this complex world...and then you die. :lol
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 08:05 PM
Abortion or pregnancy termination is a medical procedure as is assisted suicide death with dignity. We can all play word games, but one can't have simple solutions/sayin's to complex situations.
War is murder too, so is self defense, as is justifiable homicide...ya wanna play right and wrong? Play God all you want, but you still gotta live in this complex world...and then you die. :lol
Word games, and playing God. You got it. The world is complex, and when people try to pretend it is simple, they sure mess things up.
Oceanbreeze
10-10-2007, 08:45 PM
*spin off from BBrown's profile thread*
I was reading the arguments abortion vs. prostitution . . . why is prostitution illegal?
A woman has a right to do what she wants to her body (roe v. wade) - it's a private issues.
A woman can have sex with all the people she wants and it's fine . . . as long as no revenue exchanges hands.
So, it's the money for sex issue.
BUT porno stars get money for having sex . . . why is that different?
OK THEN..back to the original question...."why is prostitution illegal".
I believe it should be legal, for the physical safety of the prostitutes.
http://www.prostitutionprocon.org/
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 09:03 PM
That's an interesting point.
The law, it seems to me, is an intersection between what is good for society and what is good for individuals. Prostitution seems very bad for society, to me. If I am not mistaken, it is against state laws-is it against federal law?
You can't sell babies b/c that's tiptoeing into slavery . . people are not property to be bought and sold for a lifetime.
It's up to the States whether or not it's legal. Two States have legal prostitution, 48 and DC do not. So what's the big deal that the other States won't make it legal? Be another tax collection area, free up cops to do things like . . um . . arrest REAL criminals.
It's much like the marijuana argument - don't hurt no one.
I can give a massage to someone and collect money for it. If I give a massage to their private parts, then I can be arrested. Where's the difference??
That's an interesting point.
The law, it seems to me, is an intersection between what is good for society and what is good for individuals. Prostitution seems very bad for society, to me. If I am not mistaken, it is against state laws-is it against federal law?
Why is it bad for society?
It's State laws that ban it.
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Why is it bad for society?
It's State laws that ban it.
Mainly, IMO, it's bad for society because it is too much of a temptation for people who are desperate for a way to make money. They end up doing something which by most accounts makes people feel exploited. It's another way for the haves to use the have nots, and they already have enough of those.
If it was legal, what would we do about people with mental retardation who wanted to support themselves this way?
And-I'm not joking-what would the OSHA requirements be?
And-I'm not joking-what would the OSHA requirements be?
Nevada has some sort of health regulations for their prostitutes. There would have to be rules of some sort . . .
I wonder if being pregnant would come under "workman's comp" or "known occupational hazard"
Trueblue
10-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Nevada has some sort of health regulations for their prostitutes. There would have to be rules of some sort . . .
I wonder if being pregnant would come under "workman's comp" or "known occupational hazard"
Ahem...good question. I'm really trying not to laugh here.
Okay...
Would the john have to pay child support?
Oceanbreeze
10-10-2007, 09:43 PM
It's called "MATRIARCHAL MARRIAGE"........ya know.......where the guy busts his ass his whole life then DIES TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HIS BACKSTABBING FOWL SPELL CASTING BIBLE THUMPING VOODOO CUNT TROLL WIFE.......who made him never swear in front of the kids and never have a day of fun again his whole life after the bitch got that ring and quit giving blowjobs.
WHAT............it's true and YOU KNOW IT...........you brainwashed corrupted bible worseshippers.
THATS NOT EQUAL.
Thank GOD my wife understands all this :pblade
SHE'S SMARTER THAN ME.......bout some things :nerd
^I^
:boyhowdy and how do you REALLY feel about it Look? :sparks
Saguaro
10-10-2007, 09:50 PM
It's called "MATRIARCHAL MARRIAGE"........ya know.......where the guy busts his ass his whole life then DIES TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HIS BACKSTABBING FOWL SPELL CASTING BIBLE THUMPING VOODOO CUNT TROLL WIFE.......who made him never swear in front of the kids and never have a day of fun again his whole life after the bitch got that ring and quit giving blowjobs.
WHAT............it's true and YOU KNOW IT...........you brainwashed corrupted bible worseshippers.
THATS NOT EQUAL.
Thank GOD my wife understands all this :pblade
SHE'S SMARTER THAN ME.......bout some things :nerd
^I^
You are a contridiction in terms :dunno
Ahem...good question. I'm really trying not to laugh here.
Okay...
Would the john have to pay child support?
Here's part of a blog on Nevada (http://www.bayswan.org/Laura.html)
Mandatory STD testing and sheriff department registration are also required. The houses discourage and in many cases forbid prostitutes to see doctors of their own choosing. My experience with the house doctors has often been rushed, inadequate exams for inflated prices; some even exhibiting a patronizing or sexist attitude! HIV testing is done on a monthly basis even though many health professionals say that testing twice a year is adequate. Condoms became mandatory in brothels in 1986, only after the Department of Public Health applied pressure. Many owners were against mandatory condom use for fear that it would hurt their business. Before 1986, the smarter prostitutes were using them anyway. Their business would suffer as a result because the brothels were not supportive to these prostitutes as they attempted to protect their health. so the customers would try to find customers who would see them without condoms. The people most concerned about the health of the prostitutes are the prostitutes, not the brothel owners, and certainly not the state, which imposes politically motivated and gender biased controls on prostitutes rather than holding customers equally accountable for their own sexual behavior. Registering with the sheriff can be a conundrum, as fingerprints are sent to the FBI. If a woman is known to work as a prostitute, she is subject to various social and economic penalties such as being unable to get health insurance, discrimination in housing or future employment, or accusations of unfit motherhood. In several countries a known prostitute is not allowed to immigrate or her travel is severely restricted.
I believe that with the use of condoms and whatever female contraceptive, the chance of getting pregnant is slim . . . but I would assume that the customer would have no liability.
Trueblue
10-12-2007, 06:38 PM
Here's part of a blog on Nevada (http://www.bayswan.org/Laura.html)
I believe that with the use of condoms and whatever female contraceptive, the chance of getting pregnant is slim . . . but I would assume that the customer would have no liability.
Slim, but it would happen-and I bet cash money that the state would go after the john for child support...assuming they could find him, of course. :twitch
But how would they know who to go after - they'd have to test numerous men!
Kurtz
10-12-2007, 09:45 PM
IF this country enacted laws to legalize prostitution, it stands to reason
laws regarding the operationalization of prostitution would also be enacted.
Trueblue
10-13-2007, 04:56 PM
But how would they know who to go after - they'd have to test numerous men!
Yeah, but I'm believe they would try. Seriously. What's the alternative?
issac the dragon
10-13-2007, 06:43 PM
Do men getting a bj in Nevada have to show photo id? If not, how would they know who to test?
Izdaari
10-13-2007, 11:34 PM
I support legalizing prostitution. I also support legalizing drugs (or more precisely, re-legalizing them). I want to get government out of the business of enforcing morality, which works no better now than it did during the Prohibition experiment.
Lone Laugher
10-14-2007, 07:35 AM
I support legalizing prostitution. I also support legalizing drugs (or more precisely, re-legalizing them). I want to get government out of the business of enforcing morality, which works no better now than it did during the Prohibition experiment.
Now those are some conservative viewpoints.....too bad you don't have a viable political party that can bring them to voters.
Kurtz
10-14-2007, 08:51 AM
I support legalizing prostitution. I also support legalizing drugs (or more precisely, re-legalizing them). I want to get government out of the business of enforcing morality, which works no better now than it did during the Prohibition experiment.
Now those are some conservative viewpoints.....too bad you don't have a viable political party that can bring them to voters.
Ah, the good ol' days when Republicans were actually Republicans. :lol
issac the dragon
10-14-2007, 12:27 PM
So true. Maybe we should all write in Ron Paul. I actually like him. One or two points I don't agree with. But thats better than anyone else. Its a shame he doesn't have a chance.
Izdaari
10-15-2007, 12:50 AM
I like Ron Paul too. The only thing I don't agree with him on is foreign policy. But that's kind of a biggy.
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