Rush is at it again-this time target is 12 year old kid

[Yellowdogtexan]

rush is at it again but this time he found someone his own intellectual age to attack-a 12 year kid. Again rush is telling lies about this child. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/09/rush-limbaugh-on-graeme/Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted the right wing has been orchestrating a coordinated effort to smear a 12 year old recipient of SCHIP. These conservatives have been propagating baseless “facts” to suggest that young Graeme Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government.

Rush Limbaugh has joined in the smear campaign. On his radio show yesterday, Rush introduced his hit job on Graeme by saying, “I had some rudimentary information on this two weeks ago, and it wasn’t enough for me to trust going with. But since then, it has been verified, and most of it’s been verified by a ‘Freeper’ at Free Republic.” Apparently, a posting by a “freeper” is all Rush needs for confirmation.

Rush proceeded to recycle the myths that Graeme and his sister must be fat-cat recipients of government welfare because they attend “one of Baltimore’s expensive private schools” and own a house in a decent neighborhood. As we noted yesterday, Graeme has a scholarship to the private school. His sister’s tuition is covered by the state due to her brain injuries, and the house was purchased for $55,000 in 1991 when the neighborhood was not as safe as it is today.

Limbaugh then tried to draw a parallel between Graeme and his “phony soldiers” remark:So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters (such as the Frosts) be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target. That’s where I and my buddies in talk radio come in. We are a thorn in their side because we represent the truth they are trying to hide, the truth that they are lying about, and they have to do something about it — and they have to do that by lying. […]

They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12-years-old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.The real “bottom line” is: Rush propagates baseless information from a “freeper” to attack a 12-year old, fails to determine the facts for himself, and then accuses others of not being able to “rely on truth to make their case.”

When right-wingers attack soldiers who disagree with them on Iraq or kids who disagree with them on health care, that is indeed where Rush and his “hate radio” buddies “come in.” The right-wing attack machine personally assaults anyone for daring to disagree.If you disagree with the conservative agenda, then your are fair game for lies and attacks. Here rush lied about this young man and ignored the fact that the young man was on a scholarship which is why he was able to go to a private school.

The only thing that you can count on from rush is that he is always wrong and that he is a disgusting human being. Attacking solders and sucide bomb victims was not enough so rush had to attack a 12 year old child and his injured sister.

[Trueblue]

Rush is going to be sorry that he did this, it's going to backfire even bigger than his last mistake.

[Saguaro]

Rush needs humanitarion intervention

[Yellowdogtexan]

Rush is going to be sorry that he did this, it's going to backfire even bigger than his last mistake. There is clearly a theme here. rush is picking on the wrong groups. Going after all soliders who disagree with the war in Iraq, a victim of a sucice bombing (and even calling that victim a sucide bomber) and now a 12 year old kid. Again, if you disagree with the conservatives agenda, then you are fair game for attack even if you are 12 years old and the attacks are all lies.

[Trueblue]

Rush needs humanitarion intervention

:D

[VRWC]

There is clearly a theme here. rush is picking on the wrong groups. Going after all soliders who disagree with the war in Iraq, a victim of a sucice bombing (and even calling that victim a sucide bomber) and now a 12 year old kid. Again, if you disagree with the conservatives agenda, then you are fair game for attack even if you are 12 years old and the attacks are all lies.

Rush is an idiot, but so are you if you believe he was attacking all soldiers that disagree with this war. More talking points being distributed YDT? Please stay focused here in the real world.

[Kurtz]

Real world?
Do you know Americans have an idiot liar in the White House right now?
That's why Limpbaugh and others like him believe they have the right to lie and some groups actually believe if you repeat a lie often enough other idiots will believe it.

However I will say there are some conservatives that probably do think.
We can't judge all conservatives by the idiots that invaded the Republican party.

[Cookie Parker]

It's a brilliant campaign strategy and it's what keep republcans stupid...they never defend their stand, they attack a group and target it to defect off facts...face it, hate-mongering is the corporate evangelist priority in life...get them talking and judging and hating and Bush and Co pretty much screw America all they want...and children, too.

[Oceanbreeze]

Rush needs humanitarion intervention

:rofl:rofl:rofl

I'm conservative and quit listening/reading to/about him around 10 years ago. I have never been able to listen to Bill O'Riley...I just always see him as the "Inside Edition" anchor and can't take him seriously. :boyhowdy

[issac the dragon]

You might be interested in this: Bush has nominated Steve A. Matthews for a South Carolina Fourth Circuit seat. His strongest credentials include being a member of the Board of Directors of the Landmark Legal Foundation, which has attempted to nominate Rush Limbaugh for a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. I can not believe any American is that damn stupid. Read that on politico.org yesterday.:beamup

[VRWC]

You might be interested in this: Bush has nominated Steve A. Matthews for a South Carolina Fourth Circuit seat. His strongest credentials include being a member of the Board of Directors of the Landmark Legal Foundation, which has attempted to nominate Rush Limbaugh for a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. I can not believe any American is that damn stupid. Read that on politico.org yesterday.:beamup

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long while. If who you work for has a bearing on if you can be a Judge, then we should have bitched and moaned like you when Justice Ginsburg was nominated?

[Trueblue]

holloway, you are not making a valid comparison. It's not about WHO he worked for, it's about it being his strongest credential.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Rush is an idiot, but so are you if you believe he was attacking all soldiers that disagree with this war. I do live in the real world. If you listen to the unedited tape or read the unedited transcript, it is clear that rush was attacking soliders who disagree with the war in Iraq. The unedited recordings and the transcripts are very clear and the fact that rush tried to edited the tape and transcript and the fact that rush aired an edited version of the show on the Armed Forces Radio version of his show all point to the fact that rush knew that his comments were wrong.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Senator Clinton has commented on the stupid attacks by the right wingers like rush on this young man. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/10/223446/39HILLARY: "It pains me that in our country we have 9 million children without health insurance and now we have a President who doesn't think they need health insurance. I thought I'd seen the depth of political partisanship and mean spiritedness but the Republicans and their right wing allies have really taken the cake this time.

There was a young boy who was 12 years old named Graeme Frost. He was in a bad car accident and he didn't have health insurance but thankfully he had a program that I helped start in 1997 with Ted Kennedy and others called SCHIP. So Graeme was able to get health care, good health care, that made a tremendous difference in the outcome of his injuries. So when the President vetoed the extension of SCHIP, Graeme and his family stepped forward to illustrate why it was so important....

And boy the whole Republican and right wing attack machine went into overdrive. And they said 'well, they have a house' – yeah, I guess they could sell their house to give their child insurance.

I don't mind if they pick on me. They've done it for years. I think I've proven I can take care of myself. But George Bush and the Republicans should lay off Graeme Frost and all the other millions of American children getting their insurance from SCHIP."The gop slime machine was unleashed against a 12 year old boy and the sad thing is that all of their charges were complete and utter lies.

rush and company are not decent human beings and this attack on this young man just shows how FITH people like rush are.

[Ringo]

There is clearly a theme here. rush is picking on the wrong groups. Going after all soliders who disagree with the war in Iraq, a victim of a sucice bombing (and even calling that victim a sucide bomber) and now a 12 year old kid. Again, if you disagree with the conservatives agenda, then you are fair game for attack even if you are 12 years old and the attacks are all lies.

They were not SOLDIERS but you like Reid & Soros are to IGNORANT to figure this out!

[VRWC]

I do live in the real world. If you listen to the unedited tape or read the unedited transcript, it is clear that rush was attacking soliders who disagree with the war in Iraq. The unedited recordings and the transcripts are very clear and the fact that rush tried to edited the tape and transcript and the fact that rush aired an edited version of the show on the Armed Forces Radio version of his show all point to the fact that rush knew that his comments were wrong.

Unlike you, I have both read, and listened to the trancript and show. Once I heard the mainstream media start this story, I figured, well Rush isn't anti-military, so I went and read the ENTIRE trancript and listened to the segment and those before and after it. See I like to read for myself, instead of relying on soundbites and someone elses's description of things. And it is CLEAR that he was refering to the ONE distinct "phony soldier". He was talking about him on the morning update, and in the minutes before the remark. Anyone who tries to brand this guy anti-military, and say he is discriminating against those real soldiers who are against the war have no clue. It is obvious those who believe this have never listened to the show nor read the transcript of this event. Anyone that stupid and gullible to believe this (i.e. the U.S. Senate) needs a reality check.




As for his remarks on the boy....actually he never "unleashed" on the boy personally, but on the Senate for the SCHIP program. It is amazing, those that say he wasn't talking about one specific soldier two weeks ago, believe he was talking about one specific boy now.
Again, it is clear from the transcript (I admit, I haven't listened to the segment) that he was making a point, that, in his opinion, the boy was "told" what to say, and was trotted out by the left, with ideas put in his head.

As a side note, the boy and his family would have gotten the care they needed under the SCHIP plan as it sits now, they are and were covered without the expansion. And in my opinion, he was trotted out by those who wish to lie to expand the healthcare system.

[Kurtz]

YDT, seems some things are just self evident, kwim? :whistle

[Yellowdogtexan]

They were not SOLDIERS but you like Reid & Soros are to IGNORANT to figure this out!rush and the conservatives are upset that real soliders do not agree with the war as sevidenced by a great editorial in the NYT done by 7 soiders in Iraq (two of whom were killed just before they were schedule to come home). The original attack by rush was against all soliders who do not agree with the war in Iraq. The claim that rush is referring to other soliders is a lie that was based on the altered or edited tape of his show. Evidently you are ignorant enough to rely on the altered tape instead of relying on the real transcripts.

The veterans at votevet.org who were the subject of the second attack by rush are indeed solider with one of these soliders holding the bronze star as well as a purple heart. I note that rush is too big of a coward to let any of the real soliders who are members of votevets.org on his show but what do you expect of a draft dodging chickenhawk of a coward.

Again, if you disagree with the GOP, then you are fair game for attack includnig if you are 12 year old boy. Alf of thet claims by rush and the gop slime machine are of course false.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Unlike you, I have both read, and listened to the trancript and show. .I have also read the complete (not the altered transcript) and listen to the complete sigment. It is clear that rush was talking about the soliders who disagree with the war. If you had really listened to a real tape of the show, you would have heard rush telling a previous caller that such caller was a phony republican because such caller did not believe in the war in Iraq. Then again, I listened to the real and not edited recording and read a real and not edited transcript and you evidently are relying on the faked show that rush edited and used in the broadcast to the Armed Forces Radio network (the fact that rush edited his show for the Armed Forces Radio network shows that rush knew that his comments were out of line).

I urge you to listen to the whole tape including the calller who was on just prior to the caller discussing phony soliders.

[Yellowdogtexan]

As for his remarks on the boy....actually he never "unleashed" on the boy personally, but on the Senate for the SCHIP program. It is amazing, those that say he wasn't talking about one specific soldier two weeks ago, believe he was talking about one specific boy now.
Again, it is clear from the transcript (I admit, I haven't listened to the segment) that he was making a point, that, in his opinion, the boy was "told" what to say, and was trotted out by the left, with ideas put in his head.
Go to the OP on this thread and click on the link and you can listen to rush. rush is typical hateful and ignorant self.

As for the claims being made by rush and others, they are lies and the GOP slime machine is attacking a 12 year old boy for telling the truth about a program. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1670210,00.html?cnn=yesIt turns out, however, that not everything about the Frosts' life pops up on a Google search. While Graeme does attend a private school, he does so on scholarship. Halsey Frost is a self-employed woodworker; he and his wife say they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year to provide for their family of six. Their 1936 rowhouse was purchased in 1990 for $55,000. It was vacant and in a run-down neighborhood that has improved since then, in part because of people like themselves who took a chance. It is now assessed at $263,140, though under state law the value of that asset is not taken into account in determining their eligibility for SCHIP. And while they are still uninsured, they claim it is most certainly not by choice. Bonnie Frost says the last time she priced health coverage, she learned it would cost them $1,200 a month.

In short, just as the radio spot claimed, the Frosts are precisely the kind of people that the SCHIP program was intended to help. The gop slime machine can not believe that people disagree with their positions and so when a real person comes out, then such person must be telling lies. Rush tried this with the votevet.org who rush compared to a sucide bomber. The trouble is that this victim of a sucide bombing is not being used by anyone and has his own opinioni based on the facts. I do notice that rush is too much of a coward to fact the votevet.org veteran who challenged rush and so rush has moved on to safer targets like 12 year old boys.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Countdown had a piece on the smear attacks being used against a 12 year boy by rush and the other assholes in the GOP slime machine. Here is a link where you can watch this story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t15lYWrYnyk

Let me make my feelings clear. rush and the assholes in the gop slime machine have really gone too far. Attacking a 12 year boy because he said something that they do not like is just disgusting. There is a special circle in hell for people like rush, malkin and the freeper who got this story started. I would love for someone to try to defend these degenerates.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Senator Clinton has called on the right wing scumbuckets to stop attacking a 12 year boy. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/11/hillary-on-the-graeme-frost-smear/In New Hampshire today, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) addressed the right-wing smear campaign against 12-year old Graeme Frost. “They put pictures of him on these websites. Made it seem like it was wrong that his family sought help to take care of their son after he was injured,” said Clinton. “Attacking a 12-year old boy and his family because they stood up for the principle that children in the richest country in the world should not be deprived of health care? We can’t let that go on.” Senator Clinton has some great remarks here. It is so very low for idiots like rush and these right wingers to attack this young man. You can listen to Senator Clinton's remarks by clicking on the picture in the link.

[Saguaro]

Can the parents sue ?

[issac the dragon]

I doubt if they want to undergo the character assassination and death threats that inevitably follow any charge against one of the far-right.

[Saguaro]

They released personal info on a 12 yr old. I thought that was against the law

[Yellowdogtexan]

They released personal info on a 12 yr old. I thought that was against the lawA normal defamation case would be tough unless you can prove that these media sources know that there material is false.

What I am really worried about is the fact that a couple of these right wing sources have published the address of this young man as well as other information so as to allow anyone to find him. Heck, michelle Malkin has gone to his house and taken pictures of such things as any cars in the driveway. In addition, rush and these assholes have tried to stir people up and so this child, his sister and the rest of their family are in some danger from people like the free republic retards and their ilk. If something happens due to the fact their address has been published, I can guarantee that there will be a lawsuit against rush, malkin and their ilk for putting this young man in danger for the crime of exercising his first amendment right.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Paul Krugman of the NYT has a good piece on smear job by rush, malkin and these idiots. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/opinion/12krugman.html?_r=1&oref=sloginAll in all, the Graeme Frost case is a perfect illustration of the modern right-wing political machine at work, and in particular its routine reliance on character assassination in place of honest debate. If service members oppose a Republican war, they’re “phony soldiers”; if Michael J. Fox opposes Bush policy on stem cells, he’s faking his Parkinson’s symptoms; if an injured 12-year-old child makes the case for a government health insurance program, he’s a fraud.

Meanwhile, leading conservative politicians, far from trying to distance themselves from these smears, rush to embrace them. And some people in the news media are still willing to be used as patsies.

Politics aside, the Graeme Frost case demonstrates the true depth of the health care crisis: every other advanced country has universal health insurance, but in America, insurance is now out of reach for many hard-working families, even if they have incomes some might call middle-class.

And there’s one more point that should not be forgotten: ultimately, this isn’t about the Frost parents. It’s about Graeme Frost and his sister.

I don’t know about you, but I think American children who need medical care should get it, period. Even if you think adults have made bad choices — a baseless smear in the case of the Frosts, but put that on one side — only a truly vicious political movement would respond by punishing their injured children. Krugman is correct in that the GOP can not debate issues on the merits and so has to rely on character assassination instead of facts or logic.

Again, there is a special place in hell for malkin, rush and any asshole who thinks that the use of character assassination is appropriate for use against a 12 year old boy.

[Trueblue]

Unlike you, I have both read, and listened to the trancript and show. Once I heard the mainstream media start this story, I figured, well Rush isn't anti-military, so I went and read the ENTIRE trancript and listened to the segment and those before and after it. See I like to read for myself, instead of relying on soundbites and someone elses's description of things. And it is CLEAR that he was refering to the ONE distinct "phony soldier". He was talking about him on the morning update, and in the minutes before the remark. Anyone who tries to brand this guy anti-military, and say he is discriminating against those real soldiers who are against the war have no clue. It is obvious those who believe this have never listened to the show nor read the transcript of this event. Anyone that stupid and gullible to believe this (i.e. the U.S. Senate) needs a reality check.




As for his remarks on the boy....actually he never "unleashed" on the boy personally, but on the Senate for the SCHIP program. It is amazing, those that say he wasn't talking about one specific soldier two weeks ago, believe he was talking about one specific boy now.
Again, it is clear from the transcript (I admit, I haven't listened to the segment) that he was making a point, that, in his opinion, the boy was "told" what to say, and was trotted out by the left, with ideas put in his head.

As a side note, the boy and his family would have gotten the care they needed under the SCHIP plan as it sits now, they are and were covered without the expansion. And in my opinion, he was trotted out by those who wish to lie to expand the healthcare system.

Rush likes soldiers who agree with him.

I was hoping that Wabash would acknowledge that the right got their facts wrong.

I doubt if they want to undergo the character assassination and death threats that inevitably follow any charge against one of the far-right.

Yeah that.

[Yellowdogtexan]

WOW. I am amazed. The WSJ has come down against rush, malkin and the other idiots who have been swiftboating a 12 year old boy. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/10/even_wall_stree.phpYou'd think this would be chastening to the wingnuts who are tormenting the family of SCHIP poster kid Graeme Frost. But of course it isn't, because nothing ever is.

As you all know, the winger bloggers have been mounting a smear campaign against the Frost family that is extraordinarily base even by their nonexistent standards. They did this after Congressional Dems chose young Graeme as a spokesboy on the SCHIP expansion issue. Frost, who was injured in a car crash, delivered an address on the program several weeks ago saying that the program was funding his medical care, prompting the wingers to launch an all-out effort to paint the Frosts as insufficiently needy.

But again and again their assaults on the family have proven to be bogus by that inconvenient and nettlesome intruder known as "reality."

Now their campaign has sunk to such a comically low level that even the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page, which opposes the SCHIP expansion, has come out with a new opinion piece denouncing the wingers as an "Internet mob" that is hopelessly wrong on the facts.

WSJ says the false winger attacks are actually helping the Dems, adding: Despite their howls about "the children," Democrats and their media partners are happy to milk them for political gain.

Unfortunately, that narrative was bolstered this week by some conservative bloggers. After the Schip veto, Democrats chose a 12-year-old boy named Graeme Frost to deliver a two-minute rebuttal. While that was a political stunt, the Washington habit of employing "poster children" is hardly new. But the Internet mob leapt to some dubious conclusions and claimed the Frost kids shouldn't have been on Schip in the first place.

As it turns out, they belonged to just the sort of family that a modest Schip is supposed to help.Yep. When even the chronically dishonest WSJ editorial page denounces you for dishonesty on an issue it more or less agrees with you about, you're pretty far around the bend. The wingnuts, needless to say, remain unrepentant, howling away as always at illusions and mirages of their own making. Again, all the gop has to rely on are lies and now even the WSJ will not back up these lies.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This should be good. The parents of the 12 year old boy who rush told some outrageous lies about will be on Countdown tonight. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/graeme-frost-on-countdown-tonight/The parents of 12-year old SCHIP recipient Graeme Frost will be featured on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann this evening. Two weeks ago, Frost delivered the Democratic Radio Address, pleading with President Bush to expand SCHIP funding. Subsequently, Frost was viciously attacked by the right wing for his efforts

[crazierthanever]

This should be good. The parents of the 12 year old boy who rush told some outrageous lies about will be on Countdown tonight. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/graeme-frost-on-countdown-tonight/

They behaved admirably. The pictures of those poor kids in the ICU (in comas for a month!) were heart breaking. Did you notice the dad looks like John Denver??

[AYFR]

I just wonder where were y'all when the Democrats and Liberals were attacking the military and other people?

[Saguaro]

When was that ?


Sorry Rev, but you may want to change that Cowboys sig

[Kurtz]

Support the Troops,
Bring 'em Home!

That is the view of many Americans.

[AYFR]

Move on attacking Patreus

Kerry, Murtha, Durbin insulting our troops

Reid insulting a general and saying that we have lost

Lots of others as well

[AYFR]

As for my sig you are right

[Kurtz]

Facts are facts, Rev.
You got evidence we're winnin' this 'war'?

[Kurtz]

And it's a CP User Title, not a sig. :lol

Don't mind me, I'm just doin' post count. :lmao

[AYFR]

No but you got evidence we are losing?

[Kurtz]

No but you got evidence we are losing?


You feel safe?


:mob

I got evidence I'm chasin' your ass around to
raise my post count, that 'n coz I likes ya, Son. :hug

[AYFR]

Yes I feel safe, no attacks in a while.

This is earth and we are human there is only a certian amount a safety we can achieve.

[Kurtz]

Yes I feel safe, no attacks in a while.

This is earth and we are human there is only a certian amount a safety we can achieve.


Is that why so many feel threatened by gay love?

[AYFR]

Again i really could care less, I just think it is a State issue not a Federal one.

[Kurtz]

Again i really could care less, I just think it is a State issue not a Federal one.


Yes, those with FULL rights often overlook those without them.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Move on attacking Patreus

Kerry, Murtha, Durbin insulting our troops

Reid insulting a general and saying that we have lost

Lots of others as wellWe are back to the stupid, they did if first charges. You do realize that the statistics cited by patreaus was cooked and that the very next week the DOD released a new set of numbers that showed that petraeus had lied to congress.

The bottom line is that rush is an idiot and the attacks on a 12 year old boy were disgusting. You got to admit that it is prettty sad when the Wall Street Journal goes against bushies and idiots like rush and announces that rush and the bushies were wrong in their attacks on this 12 year old boy.

[Trueblue]

We are back to the stupid, they did if first charges. You do realize that the statistics cited by patreaus was cooked and that the very next week the DOD released a new set of numbers that showed that petraeus had lied to congress.

The bottom line is that rush is an idiot and the attacks on a 12 year old boy were disgusting. You got to admit that it is prettty sad when the Wall Street Journal goes against bushies and idiots like rush and announces that rush and the bushies were wrong in their attacks on this 12 year old boy.

Rush relies on the fact that his listeners don't care about the rest of the story.

You are right-the underlying fact about Petreaus is that he did betray us.

The little boy and his family were truthful, and that always brings out the rabid dog in the Dittoheads.

[AYFR]

We are back to the stupid, they did if first charges. You do realize that the statistics cited by patreaus was cooked and that the very next week the DOD released a new set of numbers that showed that petraeus had lied to congress.

The bottom line is that rush is an idiot and the attacks on a 12 year old boy were disgusting. You got to admit that it is prettty sad when the Wall Street Journal goes against bushies and idiots like rush and announces that rush and the bushies were wrong in their attacks on this 12 year old boy.

Two things here

One it is obvious that when a Dem attacks someone it is ok with other Dems but when a Rep attacks that same someone it is bad

Two DUH we all know Rush is an idiot. I am not defending him just his right to say what he wants without Congress passing resolutions on it.

The same for move-on as well.

Condemn one you need to condemn both.

[AYFR]

We are back to the stupid, they did if first charges. You do realize that the statistics cited by patreaus was cooked and that the very next week the DOD released a new set of numbers that showed that petraeus had lied to congress.

The bottom line is that rush is an idiot and the attacks on a 12 year old boy were disgusting. You got to admit that it is prettty sad when the Wall Street Journal goes against bushies and idiots like rush and announces that rush and the bushies were wrong in their attacks on this 12 year old boy.

Also no one on the left EVER attacked Murtha, Kerry, Reid, or Durbin for their comments.

[Yellowdogtexan]

The Countdown interview of the parents of the 12 year old boy slimed by rush, malkin and their right wing idiots was great. Here is a link to the interview http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/15/the-parents-of-graeme-frost-speak-out/The family that the right wing wanted to “destroy” tells their story on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Bonnie Frost explained her view on the right-wing attacks:They seemed to use this as a distraction technique to take away the issue at hand. And that is that millions of children in America are without health insurance and could benefit greatly from the SCHIP bill. Just like my family has.

My main goal is to get that message across that we just want to help other families like we have been helped. And just thinking that it was turned around in such a nasty, negative way is unbelievable to me.
For those who do want to watch the interview, here is a great quote from the mother of this brave young man. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/16/91245/112"I knew people like this existed in America, but I am shocked that it came to this...that they seem to use this as a distraction technique to take away the issue at hand, and that is that millions of children in America are without health insurance and could benefit greatly from the S-CHIP bill, just like our family has. And my main goal was to get that message across---that we just want to help other families like we have been helped. And just thinking that it was turned around in such a nasty, negative way is unbelievable to me." Finally, Newsweek has the following comment on malkin who was particulary wrong and stupid on these attacks. http://www.newsweek.com/id/41964M. Malkin ['Down' arrow]: Heartless right-wing blogger [and mainstream columnist and Fox News contributor –BiPM] attacks 12-year-old brain-injury victim over insurance. Sick.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Also no one on the left EVER attacked Murtha, Kerry, Reid, or Durbin for their comments.Maybe this is because they were right and so there was no need.

I do note that even the Wall Street Journal has stepped up and have attacked malkin, rush and their ilk for the attacks on this 12 year old boy. It is nice to see at least one right wing source have some honor (even though part of the WSJ's reason for this attack is the fact that these attacks have backfired on rush, malkin and the right wing idiots making such attacks)

[Trueblue]

Also no one on the left EVER attacked Murtha, Kerry, Reid, or Durbin for their comments.

I thought that they were right. Why attack them for saying what is true?

[crazierthanever]

Again i really could care less, I just think it is a State issue not a Federal one.

Excuse me for taking this thread further off topic but that whole 'states rights' line is just bull! That's what people say who think they can divide and conquer. How would you like it if you were only recognized as married in certain states? What crap. We are ONE nation, not fifty little ones.

[Yellowdogtexan]

This is interesting. Senate Minority Leader McConnell's office was initially in on the sliming of a 12 year old boy. What is even sadder, it that even the partisan idiots in McConnell's office were able to realize that the attacks on this 12 year old boy was false and baseless and tried to call the right wing slime machine off from these attacks (which obviously did not work). http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20071016&Category=NEWS0106&ArtNo=710160398&SectionCat=NEWS01&Template=printartA week ago yesterday, Stewart said, he sent an e-mail to reporters covering the insurance issue, alerting them that "bloggers have done a little digging and turned up that the Dad owns his own business (and the building it's in), seems to have some commercial rental income and Graeme and a sister go to a private school that, according to its Web site, costs about $20k a year -- for each kid -- despite the news profiles reporting a family income of only $45k for the Frosts."

"Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?" Stewart asked in the e-mail.

He explained yesterday that such e-mails are "part of regular conversation with reporters."

"I pointed out something that had been in the blogs for a couple of days and had been of increasing interest, but I also raised skepticism as to the content," Stewart said.

Hours later, he said, he sent two follow-up e-mails waving reporters off.

"Forgive me if I already told you this, but a blogger that I trust (and who hadn't written anything on this issue yet) tells me that after spending a lot of time on this, they now believe there's no story there, that the family is legit," Stewart wrote in one e-mail, according to the text he provided to The Courier-Journal. "So I'm passing that along to the folks I wrote to this morning. Fair is fair."

In the other follow-up e-mail, Stewart wrote, according to the text he provided: "I just heard from a blogger I know who did some research. Says it's not a story, they're the real deal." It is sad but expected that the head of the GOP in the Senate was initially part of this effort to slime and defame this young man. What is even sadder is that even after they were warned by the head of the GOP in the Senate, rush, malkin and other members of the gop slime machine continued to attack this young man and are still attacking him despite solid proof that their charges are complete lies.

[AYFR]

Maybe this is because they were right and so there was no need.

I do note that even the Wall Street Journal has stepped up and have attacked malkin, rush and their ilk for the attacks on this 12 year old boy. It is nice to see at least one right wing source have some honor (even though part of the WSJ's reason for this attack is the fact that these attacks have backfired on rush, malkin and the right wing idiots making such attacks)

I thought that they were right. Why attack them for saying what is true?
Murtha has been proven WRONG by the Marines NOT being convicted of any crime.


And Some think think what Rush and Coulter said was true.

No difference.

[Kurtz]

Excuse me for taking this thread further off topic but that whole 'states rights' line is just bull! That's what people say who think they can divide and conquer. How would you like it if you were only recognized as married in certain states? What crap. We are ONE nation, not fifty little ones.


Ya mean like UNITED we stand, divided we fall? :lol


:yep
You nailed that one, crazier!

:paclap :paclap

[AYFR]

Excuse me for taking this thread further off topic but that whole 'states rights' line is just bull! That's what people say who think they can divide and conquer. How would you like it if you were only recognized as married in certain states? What crap. We are ONE nation, not fifty little ones.

We are the UNITED States under a SMALL (or supposed to be) Federal Government.

It was designed for each state to rule itself in the beginning.

Sorry but that is the fact

[Yellowdogtexan]

And Some think think what Rush and Coulter said was true.As for rush's statement that is clearly the case. It is standard gop procedure to slime and attack anyone who disagrees with the tallking points of the right. If a votevet.org solider disagrees with the war in Iraq, then he is a phony solider or a sucide bomber.

As for the subject of this thread, if a 12 year boy speaks in favor of a health care plan for children, then that boy must be attacked and slimed even such attacks are completely false. Who cares if a 12 year old boy and his family are the subject of death threats because the result of such death threats will be to make any other parents to think twice about letting their child speak in favor of health insurance. In fact rush, malkin and their ilk even encouraged such death threats by falsely accusing this 12 year old boy of being a welfare cheat and getting insurance benefits that he was not entitled to.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I love this comment from Speaker Pelosi as to hate radio i.e rush. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/16/pelosi-hate-radio-made-a-vicious-attack-on-frost/Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who coined the label “hate radio” to refer to the virulent commentary on right-wing radio, again reiterated her point today in the context of the right-wing smears against Graeme Frost:Hate radio has made a vicious attack on the Frost family, a family that was involved in a very serious automobile accident injuring two of its children who are SCHIP recipients. … Again, beneath the dignity of the debate but of course I would fight to the death for their right to say whatever they say in our great country.rush and his ilk are really part of hate radio. Attacking and encouraging death threats against a 12 year old boy and his family based on pure and outright lies qualifies for the label of hate radio

[Wabash]

Excuse me for taking this thread further off topic but that whole 'states rights' line is just bull! That's what people say who think they can divide and conquer. How would you like it if you were only recognized as married in certain states? What crap. We are ONE nation, not fifty little ones.

Ya, and it's really fucked up! It should be a States Rights thing and NOT Federal!

As for rush's statement that is clearly the case. It is standard gop procedure to slime and attack anyone who disagrees with the tallking points of the right. If a votevet.org solider disagrees with the war in Iraq, then he is a phony solider or a sucide bomber.

As for the subject of this thread, if a 12 year boy speaks in favor of a health care plan for children, then that boy must be attacked and slimed even such attacks are completely false. Who cares if a 12 year old boy and his family are the subject of death threats because the result of such death threats will be to make any other parents to think twice about letting their child speak in favor of health insurance. In fact rush, malkin and their ilk even encouraged such death threats by falsely accusing this 12 year old boy of being a welfare cheat and getting insurance benefits that he was not entitled to.

It's SOP for the Left to do the same thing! They are every bit as slimy.
I'm not reading your posts, because i know they will be full of lies about Rush...

[crazierthanever]

It's SOP for the Left to do the same thing! They are every bit as slimy.
I'm not reading your posts, because i know they will be full of lies about Rush...


:waa Put up or shut up! Post specific examples where any Democrat has done 'the same thing.' I'll wait. :waiting:toetap :snore

[crazierthanever]

Ya, and it's really fucked up! It should be a States Rights thing and NOT Federal!


If this country is fucked up then look to Dub and his cronies. Running the country into the ditch since 2000!

[AYFR]

Post examples of where talk radio has encouraged death threats to anyone.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Post examples of where talk radio has encouraged death threats to anyone.You got to be kidding (this has been widely reported unless you are like ringo and get your news from the free republic). rush, malkin and others have accused the Frost family of being welfare cheats and taking insurance benefits under the SHIPS program that they are not entitled to becuase they really are rich (they own their own home and have kids in very expensive private schools). That alone is enough to drive ringo's fellow freepers and freeptards (people who post on the free republic) crazy. Then several of the right wing idiots have posted the address of the Frost family and malkin the stalker actually goes to the Frost home and takes pictures. Graham Frost has received death threats and some of the right wing bloggers are reading letters from their viewers or groupies advocating the lynching of this yound man and his family.

The accusation of the Frost family accepting benefits that rush, malkin and their ilk think that they are not entitled to plus publishing the address of this family and pictures of the homes and cars is a sure way to generate death threats from their base (remember that this base is mainly freepers who are very very stupid) and this tactic has worked

[Yellowdogtexan]

Here are some examples of the hate speech from the conservatives. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.frosts10oct10,0,4459992.storyBut while the Frosts were helping a bipartisan majority in Congress sell a plan to expand the program, they were not prepared for comments such as this one, posted over the weekend on the conservative Web site Redstate:

"If federal funds were required [they] could die for all I care. Let the parents get second jobs, let their state foot the bill or let them seek help from private charities. ... I would hire a team of PIs and find out exactly how much their parents made and where they spent every nickel. Then I'd do everything possible to destroy their lives with that info."Here is another typical conservative response (this guy sounds a great deal like ringo) The Redstate contributor was less civil.

"Hang 'em. Publically," the contributor wrote. "Let 'em twist in the wind and be eaten by ravens. Then maybe the bunch of socialist patsies will think twice."The guy who posted this response is evidently one of the leading contributors to this conservative blog which has me wondering if ringo posts on other sources or has a twin brother

[crazierthanever]

The guy who posted this response is evidently one of the leading contributors to this conservative blog which has me wondering if ringo posts on other sources or has a twin brother


I don't believe the poster you're referring to could be Ringo, YDT. The :cuckoovituperative :cussrhetoric and hatred are there but the writer uses better syntax than Ringo and doesn't throw in random capitals. If this is Ringo's twin he must have studied harder at school.:nerd

[issac the dragon]

Why is it that those on the right never condemn the nuts who post death threats against people? Or go after the ones who publish the address of a person, (this is a common tactic) charging them with a crime? Do the Republicans in the government have no problem with this. Threatening to kill someone is a crime.

[Yellowdogtexan]

I don't believe the poster you're referring to could be Ringo, YDT. The :cuckoovituperative :cussrhetoric and hatred are there but the writer uses better syntax than Ringo and doesn't throw in random capitals. If this is Ringo's twin he must have studied harder at school.:nerdYou may be right. I am glad that ringo is not posting on other boards.

[AYFR]

You got to be kidding (this has been widely reported unless you are like ringo and get your news from the free republic). rush, malkin and others have accused the Frost family of being welfare cheats and taking insurance benefits under the SHIPS program that they are not entitled to becuase they really are rich (they own their own home and have kids in very expensive private schools). That alone is enough to drive ringo's fellow freepers and freeptards (people who post on the free republic) crazy. Then several of the right wing idiots have posted the address of the Frost family and malkin the stalker actually goes to the Frost home and takes pictures. Graham Frost has received death threats and some of the right wing bloggers are reading letters from their viewers or groupies advocating the lynching of this yound man and his family.

The accusation of the Frost family accepting benefits that rush, malkin and their ilk think that they are not entitled to plus publishing the address of this family and pictures of the homes and cars is a sure way to generate death threats from their base (remember that this base is mainly freepers who are very very stupid) and this tactic has worked
Ok Talk Radio has made stupid comments, fine I agree with that. BUT WHEN HAVE THEY ENCOURAGED DATH THREATS? That was your accusation, so now prove it.

[AYFR]

I love this comment from Speaker Pelosi as to hate radio i.e rush. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/16/pelosi-hate-radio-made-a-vicious-attack-on-frost/rush and his ilk are really part of hate radio. Attacking and encouraging death threats against a 12 year old boy and his family based on pure and outright lies qualifies for the label of hate radio

Here are some examples of the hate speech from the conservatives. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.frosts10oct10,0,4459992.storyHere is another typical conservative response (this guy sounds a great deal like ringo) The guy who posted this response is evidently one of the leading contributors to this conservative blog which has me wondering if ringo posts on other sources or has a twin brother

You initially said talk radio now prove what you said. blogs are a different story, I bet I can find leftist blogs that are just as disgusting.

[Yellowdogtexan]

It is not a good sign when your local papers call you a liar and exposes the fact that your staff was involved in the attacks against a 12 year old boy. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071018/OPINION01/710180358He can't luxuriate in a reputation for personal caution and political control, yet claim he knew nothing about the role his office tried to play in sliming a Baltimore boy and his family when they came forward in support of the SCHIP health care expansion.

By now you know the story: Twelve-year-old Graeme Frost and his sister, Gemma, suffered severe brain injuries in a 2004 car crash and got help from the SCHIP program -- all within the rules, as it turned out, much to the chagrin of would-be right-wing spoilers.

Graeme spoke out when President Bush vetoed the SCHIP expansion bill, which the Republican minority in the House is expect to kill today.

A McConnell aide, Don Stewart, admits he sicced reporters on the Frosts when "trusted" bloggers began to question their authenticity as an income-qualified CHIP program participant. But he says he quickly called off the dogs when he decided there wasn't a story there after all, because the family's situation was legitimate. Mr. Stewart told The Courier-Journal he explained all that to his boss on Thursday.

So Sen. McConnell was deliberately untruthful the next day, when he told WHAS-TV's Mark Hebert, "There was no involvement whatsoever." The senator will object to any suggestion of lying, but what else is it when you knowingly misrepresent facts? I am not sure what is worse, attacking and telling lies about a 12 year old boy or tell some baldface lies to your local press.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Mocking and imitating handicapped or disabled persons appears to be a specialty of rush. He did a great job of mocking and imitating Michael J. Fox in 2006 and gave the Democrats control of the Senate by helping an incumbent republican lose. Since this worked so well for him, rush is now mocking a 12 year old boy with brain damage and a paralyzed vocal cord. http://www.newshounds.us/2007/10/19/rush_limbaugh_mocks_12_yearold_schip_advocate_whil e_claiming_never_to_have_attacked_him.phpDuring Colmes’ turn, he brought up Limbaugh's attacks on the Frost family. You have attacked people like the family, for example, of Graeme Frost… Should this family be the victim of barbs from anybody because they’re trying to do best for their kid?”

Limbaugh insisted, “No, Alan, that’s an interesting question. I never once attacked this family. I attacked the Democrats for exploiting them. I attacked the Democrats for putting lies into the head of a 12-year old.” So was Limbaugh saying that Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or someone like that coerced the family into doing the ad? Limbaugh's website, where he complains that the family is well off, made choices to invest in property rather than healthcare, makes the family sound like charlatans, not victims.

Then, just as he was insisting he was not smearing the family, Limbaugh began to mock the child. “A 12-year old they send out before microphones and cameras, to sit there and say, (he did a derisive, sneering imitation of a child's voice) ‘I only want health care for the rest of American children like I got and George Bush is against…’ A 12 year-old can’t write that garbage.So rush lies about attacking this family and telling lies about the financial condition of this family (in effect accusing them of welfare fraud), then lies about these attacks and to top things off, rush then mocks the speech pattern of a 12 year old boy who suffered brain damage and has paralyzed vocal cords. Here is more on rush's latest lies and his mocking of a 12 year old boy. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/19/limbaugh-liar-graeme/Limbaugh propagated the now-debunked claim that Graeme Frost was actually a well-off kid being pampered by the government. He then explicitly called Graeme a liar who had been corrupted by the Senate Democratic Leadership:So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. […] They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me.Now that the right-wing smear campaign against Graeme has been proven to be completely baseless, Limbaugh is desperately trying to revise history. Last night on Hannity & Colmes, Limbaugh claimed he “never attacked” the Frost family:I never once attacked this family. I attacked the Democrats for exploiting them. I attacked the Democrats for putting lies into the head of a 12-year-old. […] The Democrats are amazingly brazen in this at using kids, using season citizens. I never attacked this family. I simply reported what their financial circumstances are.
During the segment, Limbaugh also sneeringly mocked Graeme by taking on the voice of a 12-year old child. By going to this article, you can watch rush's latest acting job where he mocks a 12 year old boy with brain damage and mocks the speech pattern of this 12 year old which is caused by paralyzed vocal cords

[Yellowdogtexan]

Doonesbury is doing a series this week on rush sliming a 12 year old kid. This could be fun http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html

[Trueblue]

Dear Rush:

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

[quiet man]

and he's still working? is the kid a minority?

[Yellowdogtexan]

and he's still working? is the kid a minority?The kid is from a poor family and so it is okay to attack them. It is okay to attack someone who is poor and/or someone who can not fight back.

[crazierthanever]

I'm using my favorite new name on this thread too.

Limpbaugh = asshat. Big fat asshat at that.

[Yellowdogtexan]

Today's Doonesbury is pretty funny. http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.htmlIt is going to be a funny week