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patriotsblade
10-09-2007, 10:51 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/09/terror/main3346411.shtml

(CBS) A small, privately run intelligence analysis company says that a Bush administration leak has ruined years of clandestine work to find and exploit al Qaeda secrets on the Internet, the Washington Post reports.

SITE Institute, one of many private companies that troll extremist Web content and use secret methods to find unreleased material and release it early, against the wishes of the militants creating it, was the first to obtain an Osama bin Laden video last month.

According to the report, Rita Katz, who runs SITE, told The Post she turned the video over to the White House on the condition that it not be made public until the material was released on line by al Qaeda's own media wing.

Katz told The Post that by the afternoon of Sept. 7, the day she turned the video over to White House officials, it had been leaked and was appearing on myriad news Web sites and television networks around the world.

SITE claims the White House leak - the source of which had not been confirmed, according to the report - tipped al Qaeda off to the glitch that had been exploited for years by the company, rendering the practice useless for future intelligence gathering.

"Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," Katz told The Post.

CBS News White House correspondent Peter Maer reports the Bush administration said Tuesday it was "concerned" to learn of SITE's complaints.

Spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters, "anytime a citizen comes forward to provide information, we want to encourage it and we want them to know their sources will be protected."

Perino insisted the White House was not the source of the leak last month. She referred reporters to the intelligence community for questions on what she described as any "process problem."

Other officials, speaking to The Post, played down the importance of Katz's work to the overall intelligence gathering effort of the U.S. government. "We have individuals in the right places dealing with all these issues, across all 16 intelligence agencies," Ross Feinstein, spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence told the newspaper.

But off the record, some intelligence officials admitted that SITE had been of great help in obtaining al Qaeda secrets.

Terrorism expert and author Bruce Hoffman, who has worked as an advisor to the Bush White House in Iraq, tells CBSNews.com that SITE and other private intelligence companies have become a valuable tool for the government.

"The government has its own intelligence sources, its been monitoring these things, and one would hope it's comparing and contrasting, using this as supplements, using this to round out" government intelligence, Hoffman said.

Hoffman points out that one of the complaints of the 9/11 Commission was that the government didn't have a wide enough variety of intelligence sources, and firms like SITE help to fill that gap, fixing what was called a "lack of imagination".

Accurate, timely intelligence is America's most valuable weapon against the terrorist threat, which the White House classified Tuesday as "persistent and evolving".

Maer reports that the administration's newly-revised National Strategy for Homeland Security warns that al Qaeda will likely continue to "enhance its ability to attack America through greater cooperation with regional terrorist groups." It predicts al Qaeda will likely intensify efforts to send operatives to the U.S.

The report says the U.S. faces "a persistent and evolving terrorist threat, primarily from violent Islamic terrorist groups and cells." It points to al Qaeda as "the most serious and dangerous manifestation of this threat."

Katz's company sells intelligence to a range of clients, including other private firms and military and intelligence agencies in the U.S. and other countries. Media organizations can also pay SITE for access to terrorist videos and audio's obtained, and analysis of the material.

Officials told CBS News on Sept. 7 that the U.S. government had obtained a copy of the new bin Laden video. Katz says that within 20 minutes of handing the material to two senior administration officials, with the request for secrecy, it was being downloaded from SITE's Web site by various intelligence agencies.

Al Qaeda's media arm had previously announced a new bin Laden video would be released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks

Earlier that day, the White House said that any new video from bin Laden would serve to highlight threats the West faces.

Al Qaeda has frequently released video and audio propaganda to coincide with the anniversary of Sept. 11, and analysts interpreted the early September release as part of that effort.


This administration just bounces back and forth between incompetent and criminal on a daily basis.

Saguaro
10-09-2007, 10:56 AM
Understandable, because the White House doesn't know what intelligence means .

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 11:01 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/09/terror/main3346411.shtml




This administration just bounces back and forth between incompetent and criminal on a daily basis.

I did not see anyh proof that this is something Bush was responsible for.

You have a link to that?

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 11:01 AM
Understandable, because the White House doesn't know what intelligence means .

More hyperbole and bullshit.

issac the dragon
10-09-2007, 11:07 AM
Bush isn't responsible for what goes on in his admin.? Or in the WH? Maybe Capitalist should tell us what Bush is responsible for. Whether or not there are skid marks on his shorts?

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Bush isn't responsible for what goes on in his admin.? Or in the WH? Maybe Capitalist should tell us what Bush is responsible for. Whether or not there are skid marks on his shorts?

First their is no actual proof the leak came frm the Whitehouse staff.

Second, is it your assertion that everything that happens , like this, is the personal responsibility of the president?

If your answer to that is yes, I will accept that.

I will then, when time permists, start listing all the shit that happened in the Clinton whitehouse and ask you if it was his fault.
Just as an example, the lost Rose law firm files found in the Whitehouse living quarters. The 1000 FBI files The former Bouncer that no one ever took responsibility for hiring.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

You are being petty and your pathalogical hatred of Bush is showing.

Saguaro
10-09-2007, 11:21 AM
More hyperbole and bullshit.


:roll

patriotsblade
10-09-2007, 11:25 AM
I did not see anyh proof that this is something Bush was responsible for.

You have a link to that?


First of all I said 'this administration' not Bush specificallly.

Secondly, we know it was the White House that leaked it because of how fast it got to the media.

Katz told The Post that by the afternoon of Sept. 7, the day she turned the video over to White House officials, it had been leaked and was appearing on myriad news Web sites and television networks around the world

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 11:47 AM
First of all I said 'this administration' not Bush specificallly.

Secondly, we know it was the White House that leaked it because of how fast it got to the media.

Sorry but you only know when you have proof. The speed of the leak means nothing.

I guess there is no way an employee of the comapny could have done it, no not possible?

I see no comments on the Clinton examples?

toxic
10-09-2007, 12:11 PM
... Second, is it your assertion that everything that happens , like this, is the personal responsibility of the president?

If your answer to that is yes, I will accept that.

I will then, when time permists, start listing all the shit that happened in the Clinton whitehouse and ask you if it was his fault.
Just as an example, the lost Rose law firm files found in the Whitehouse living quarters. The 1000 FBI files The former Bouncer that no one ever took responsibility for hiring.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

You are being petty and your pathalogical hatred of Bush is showing.


Bush ran for office on ACCOUNTABILITY. Come on guy, he is responsible for what goes on in his adminstration. The fact, that he is a moron and is incapable of managing the staff, is not my problem.

BTW, the fact that Clinton was/was not a POS, has no bearing or excuse for Bush being a POS. To me, Bill Clinton caved in to the Republicans on NAFTA and similar items and is NO DEMOCRATIC HERO. But, he was not as big of a moron as Bush.

Bush was a failure as my Govenor for several years before running for President. Why the USSC appointed him in the first election and morons voted for him in the second election, simply baffles me and discourages me about the future for America.

The last 7 years have been like an "open wound" to me. A daily pain and misery that was impossible to ignore.

After the catastropic blunders he has made, Bush must be completely destroyed and humiliated, so no one will envy him or want to follow his lead for the next few decades at least.

Wabash
10-09-2007, 01:25 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/09/terror/main3346411.shtml




This administration just bounces back and forth between incompetent and criminal on a daily basis.

Says you! Prove it! This proves nothing except someone making an accusation that is unproven!

I did not see anyh proof that this is something Bush was responsible for.

You have a link to that?

Exactly!

More hyperbole and bullshit.

That's normal from liberals!

Bush isn't responsible for what goes on in his admin.? Or in the WH? Maybe Capitalist should tell us what Bush is responsible for. Whether or not there are skid marks on his shorts?

It's suppossition by this gal Katz...to proof that I see!

Wabash
10-09-2007, 01:29 PM
First their is no actual proof the leak came frm the Whitehouse staff.

Second, is it your assertion that everything that happens , like this, is the personal responsibility of the president?

If your answer to that is yes, I will accept that.

I will then, when time permists, start listing all the shit that happened in the Clinton whitehouse and ask you if it was his fault.
Just as an example, the lost Rose law firm files found in the Whitehouse living quarters. The 1000 FBI files The former Bouncer that no one ever took responsibility for hiring.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

You are being petty and your pathalogical hatred of Bush is showing.

Ditto!

:roll
He's Right!

First of all I said 'this administration' not Bush specificallly.

Secondly, we know it was the White House that leaked it because of how fast it got to the media.

BS again! NO PROOF! Just a GUESS by you and Katz!!!!!!!

Bush ran for office on ACCOUNTABILITY. Come on guy, he is responsible for what goes on in his adminstration. The fact, that he is a moron and is incapable of managing the staff, is not my problem.

BTW, the fact that Clinton was/was not a POS, has no bearing or excuse for Bush being a POS. To me, Bill Clinton caved in to the Republicans on NAFTA and similar items and is NO DEMOCRATIC HERO. But, he was not as big of a moron as Bush.

Bush was a failure as my Govenor for several years before running for President. Why the USSC appointed him in the first election and morons voted for him in the second election, simply baffles me and discourages me about the future for America.

The last 7 years have been like an "open wound" to me. A daily pain and misery that was impossible to ignore.

After the catastropic blunders he has made, Bush must be completely destroyed and humiliated, so no one will envy him or want to follow his lead for the next few decades at least.

Sounds to me like you get way to stressed over Bush...take a pill and mellow before you stroke out!

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 04:08 PM
The speed of the leak strongly suggests something to an intelligent person.

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 04:18 PM
The speed of the leak strongly suggests something to an intelligent person.

Strongly suggests is not proof.

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 04:19 PM
Strongly suggests is not proof.

I never said it was proof. YOU said that this means nothing-and you are wrong.

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 04:23 PM
I never said it was proof. YOU said that this means nothing-and you are wrong.

I said with out proof it is nothing to make a big deal out of.

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 04:29 PM
I said with out proof it is nothing to make a big deal out of.

Well that is ridiculous. Are we supposed to pretend that we don't care until somebody comes along with the videotape? :lol

As I said, it is certainly quite suggestive. Bush has tried to keep a tight lid on leaks, in the past, if there were leaks they were intentional, from what I have heard.

Capitalist
10-09-2007, 04:42 PM
Well that is ridiculous. Are we supposed to pretend that we don't care until somebody comes along with the videotape? :lol

As I said, it is certainly quite suggestive. Bush has tried to keep a tight lid on leaks, in the past, if there were leaks they were intentional, from what I have heard.

yawn...

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 04:58 PM
yawn...

You were not so bored a couple of minutes ago. :D

Cookie Parker
10-09-2007, 05:34 PM
Hey, Bush and bin Laden are close..he surfaces everytime Bush's ratings are low or before an election....Bush is just returning the favor and keeping his location a secret...:Q

Yellowdogtexan
10-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Lets not overlook Faux News' role in this leak. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801817_2.html?hpid=topnewsExactly what happened next is unclear. But within minutes of Katz's e-mail to the White House, government-registered computers began downloading the video from SITE's server, according to a log of file transfers. The records show dozens of downloads over the next three hours from computers with addresses registered to defense and intelligence agencies.

By midafternoon, several television news networks reported obtaining copies of the transcript. A copy posted around 3 p.m. on Fox News's Web site referred to SITE and included page markers identical to those used by the group. "This confirms that the U.S. government was responsible for the leak of this document," Katz wrote in an e-mail to Leiter at 5 p.m

issac the dragon
10-09-2007, 10:23 PM
[QUOTE=Capitalist;143851]First their is no actual proof the leak came frm the Whitehouse staff.

Second, is it your assertion that everything that happens , like this, is the personal responsibility of the president?

If your answer to that is yes, I will accept that.

I will then, when time permists, start listing all the shit that happened in the Clinton whitehouse and ask you if it was his fault.
Just as an example, the lost Rose law firm files found in the Whitehouse living quarters. The 1000 FBI files The former Bouncer that no one ever took responsibility for hiring.

I could go on and on, but you get my drift.end quote


You do anything you want to Capitalist. But it has been done to death. Everything that happened in the US under Clinton was blamed on him. And everything bad that has happened under Bush has been blamed on Clinton by the Republicans. As you like to point out, Bush has no responsibilities. We have heard it all again and again. But do it. It will amuse you, and Wabash and Ringo. The rest of us have lives.