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Kurtz
10-09-2007, 10:01 AM
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Tuesday terminated a lawsuit from a man who claims he was abducted and tortured by the CIA, effectively endorsing Bush administration arguments that state secrets would be revealed if the case were allowed to proceed.

Khaled el-Masri, 44, alleged that he was kidnapped by CIA agents in Europe and held in an Afghan prison for four months in a case of mistaken identity.

The administration has not publicly acknowledged that el-Masri was detained, and lower courts dismissed his suit after the administration asserted that state secrets would be revealed if the lawsuit were not blocked. The justices rejected his appeal without comment.

The case had been seen as a test of the administration's legal strategy to stop it and several other national security lawsuits by invoking the doctrine of state secrets. Another lawsuit over the administration's warrantless wiretapping program, also dismissed on state secrets grounds, still is pending before the justices.

A coalition of groups favoring greater openness in government says the Bush administration has used the state secrets privilege much more often than its predecessors.

At the height of Cold War tensions between the United States and the former Soviet Union, U.S. presidents used the state secrets privilege six times from 1953 to 1976, according to OpenTheGovernment.org. Since 2001, it has been used 39 times, enabling the government to unilaterally withhold documents from the court system, the group said.

El-Masri's case centers on the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program, in which terrorism suspects are captured and taken to foreign countries for interrogation. Human rights groups have heavily criticized the program.

President Bush has repeatedly defended the policies in the war on terror, saying as recently as last week that the U.S. does not engage in torture.

El-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, says he was mistakenly identified as an associate of the Sept. 11 hijackers and was detained while attempting to enter Macedonia on New Year's Eve 2003.

He claims that CIA agents stripped, beat, shackled, diapered, drugged and chained him to the floor of a plane for a flight to Afghanistan. He says he was held for four months in a CIA-run prison known as the "salt pit" in the Afghan capital of Kabul. The lawsuit sought damages of at least $75,000.

The U.S. government has neither confirmed nor denied el-Masri's account. But German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that U.S. officials acknowledged that El-Masri's detention was a mistake.

El-Masri's account also has been bolstered by European investigations and U.S. news reports. In January, German prosecutors issued arrest warrants for 13 suspected CIA agents who allegedly took part in the operation against him.

El-Masri's lawyers also tried to use a comment by former CIA director George Tenet to show that both the program and el-Masri's case are well-known to the public.

Rather than refuse to comment when asked about El-Masri's claims, Tenet told CNN in May, "I don't believe what he says is true."

The state secrets privilege arose from a 1953 Supreme Court ruling that allowed the executive branch to keep secret, even from the court, details about a military plane's fatal crash.

Three widows sued to get the accident report after their husbands died aboard a B-29 bomber, but the Air Force refused to release it claiming that the plane was on a secret mission to test new equipment. The high court accepted the argument, but when the report was released decades later there was nothing in it about a secret mission or equipment.
The case is El-Masri v. U.S., 06-1613.


Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_cia_lawsuit_3;_ylt=AvasuJdE75tAG7osUfw_DaEE 1vAI)

Yeah, the bush administration doesn't torture, these are photoshop pictures:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Kurtz_06/AbuGhraib.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Kurtz_06/AbuGhraib2.jpg

toxic
10-09-2007, 12:31 PM
I'm not seeing anything different than frat party pictures........WHERE'S THE BEHEADINGS :sparks

:theman

Well, you must have belonged to a real queer ass frat.

Beheadings are execution, not torture.

Often death/execution is preferable to torture.

Please go inhale a few glasses of water, to simulate waterboarding and report back the results. We'll be waiting to hear what a big man you are.

April15
10-09-2007, 02:59 PM
That the CIA is worried about secrets being revealed is in itself cause for concern about how and where this nation is going.

Wabash
10-09-2007, 07:56 PM
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_cia_lawsuit_3;_ylt=AvasuJdE75tAG7osUfw_DaEE 1vAI)

Yeah, the bush administration doesn't torture, these are photoshop pictures:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Kurtz_06/AbuGhraib.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Kurtz_06/AbuGhraib2.jpg

That's NOT torture...that's just an embarassment!
I'm not seeing anything different than frat party pictures........WHERE'S THE BEHEADINGS :sparks

:theman

Ya...where's the torture?..you guys are NUTS!

Well, you must have belonged to a real queer ass frat.

Beheadings are execution, not torture.

Often death/execution is preferable to torture.

Please go inhale a few glasses of water, to simulate waterboarding and report back the results. We'll be waiting to hear what a big man you are.


:blah:blah:blah

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 07:59 PM
That's NOT torture...that's just an embarassment!




YES!

Actually, I believe you are mistaken.

Also, I have heard that these men were told that the purpose of the pictures was blackmail. I'm sure you can image that goes beyond "just an embarasment".

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:00 PM
The Law prevails! Bush Adm wins! State Secrets are kept!

Yip, Yip, Yahoooooooo!:clap:clap

Liberals are silenced ....AGAIN!

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:03 PM
Actually, I believe you are mistaken.

Also, I have heard that these men were told that the purpose of the pictures was blackmail. I'm sure you can image that goes beyond "just an embarasment".

Yep.....it does! It goes to a little bird singing a tune that spills the beans on the mean dastardly terrorists! Even a 5th Grader would get that!

Kurtz
10-09-2007, 08:07 PM
Yep.....it does! It goes to a little bird singing a tune that spills the beans on the mean dastardly terrorists! Even a 5th Grader would get that!

You would know! :D

Wabby, I couldn't resist! :lmao



:kurtz

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:10 PM
You would know! :D

Wabby, I couldn't resist! :lmao



:kurtz

:rofl:rofl Well sure I would...I was a 5th grader once!:hotdog

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 08:12 PM
The Law prevails! Bush Adm wins! State Secrets are kept!

Yip, Yip, Yahoooooooo!:clap:clap

Liberals are silenced ....AGAIN!

They aren't state secrets, I bet-they are Bush crimes.

Yep.....it does! It goes to a little bird singing a tune that spills the beans on the mean dastardly terrorists! Even a 5th Grader would get that!

Wabash, even you know that:

a man who was misidentified as a terrorist can NOT reveal any terrorist secrets

and

those guys in that pile didn't know the words to the song.

Duh.

Torture doesn't work, and it really doesn't work on people who don't have any secrets to tell.

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:14 PM
Now it's not that I don't feel sorry for this guy, but he was in a war zone and bad shit happens in a war zone...
I think all the Democrats should take up a collection and help this guy out ....to ease the pain ...seriously.

Trueblue
10-09-2007, 08:18 PM
Now it's not that I don't feel sorry for this guy, but he was in a war zone and bad shit happens in a war zone...
I think all the Democrats should take up a collection and help this guy out ....to ease the pain ...seriously.

He wasn't in a war zone, he was taken captive in Europe.

Now what's your excuse?

And then you can explain why it took so long for them to figure out that this guy wasn't affiliated with terrorists

And then you can explain why the US is using extraordinary rendition

I hope this guy takes his case to the war crimes court.

April15
10-09-2007, 08:26 PM
The repression of the truth by the Bush regime will be ended by a court of law. Bush will hang for his deeds and so will others who support the perversion of America for profit.

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:29 PM
He wasn't in a war zone, he was taken captive in Europe.

Now what's your excuse?

And then you can explain why it took so long for them to figure out that this guy wasn't affiliated with terrorists

And then you can explain why the US is using extraordinary rendition

I hope this guy takes his case to the war crimes court.

My mistake TB, thanks for pointing that out!

On the other hand, Europe is FULL of terrorists...like Madrid, London, Scotland, and many other spots in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Italy with multiple lesser incidents.

Europe is a MESS with Muslim jihadist! So, this guy sounded good to someone...they got it wrong...I was sorry to hear that, but we....and they, are gonna get it wrong sometimes.....it's a WORLDWIDE terroist problem TB...You know that! Mistakes are made, can't be helped sometimes...
If you want perfection, it ain't gonna happen!

Wabash
10-09-2007, 08:31 PM
The repression of the truth by the Bush regime will be ended by a court of law. Bush will hang for his deeds and so will others who support the perversion of America for profit.

:bullshit:drama

Kurtz
10-09-2007, 08:49 PM
The repression of the truth by the Bush regime will be ended by a court of law. Bush will hang for his deeds and so will others who support the perversion of America for profit.

If I thought prayer worked, I'd pray for that, April.

I hope history tells the truth about that piece of shit...bush. :mad

April15
10-09-2007, 09:10 PM
If I thought prayer worked, I'd pray for that, April.

I hope history tells the truth about that piece of shit...bush. :madI hope there is a world left alive to have history. The similarities to the 30's is very concerning.

Kurtz
10-09-2007, 09:12 PM
I hope there is a world left alive to have history. The similarities to the 30's is very concerning.

Well, we do know some history books say the world is flat. :mad

April15
10-09-2007, 09:14 PM
Well, we do know some history books say the world is flat. :madThere are people on this forum who still believe it!

AYFR
10-09-2007, 09:18 PM
The repression of the truth by the Bush regime will be ended by a court of law. Bush will hang for his deeds and so will others who support the perversion of America for profit.
You know that is not going to happen. Bush is an elitist and he will survive. Remember it is the elitist that write history.

Kurtz
10-09-2007, 09:19 PM
There are people on this forum who still believe it!

Believers, I know. :lmao

Well, I guess I'd better not say anymore, hate to be viewed as a believer basher.
Don't want to present too many facts or reality.

issac the dragon
10-10-2007, 10:28 AM
I was going to write that people who believe in the effectiveness of torture should read what people confessed to during the inquisition, but......... there are possibly some people who think women really did have sex with Satan, and his penis is arrow shaped and frozen solid.

Wabash
10-10-2007, 11:26 AM
I was going to write that people who believe in the effectiveness of torture should read what people confessed to during the inquisition, but......... there are possibly some people who think women really did have sex with Satan, and his penis is arrow shaped and frozen solid.

:violin:shame:shame:bs:cuckoo

Kurtz
10-10-2007, 11:34 AM
Some folks should read more non-fiction books. :whistle

Trueblue
10-10-2007, 05:05 PM
My mistake TB, thanks for pointing that out!

On the other hand, Europe is FULL of terrorists...like Madrid, London, Scotland, and many other spots in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Italy with multiple lesser incidents.

Europe is a MESS with Muslim jihadist! So, this guy sounded good to someone...they got it wrong...I was sorry to hear that, but we....and they, are gonna get it wrong sometimes.....it's a WORLDWIDE terroist problem TB...You know that! Mistakes are made, can't be helped sometimes...
If you want perfection, it ain't gonna happen!

How long should it take to straighten out such a mistake?