Shites come together, as America continues to lose War!!!

[Ringo]

This is International, this is a Global issue, BUT it stomops all over the Liberal-Traitor bullshit of the Senate, so will it stay on this page??? The *SURGE*, the willingness of Iraqi's to see they need to UNITE and face the TRUE enemies IRAN-Al QAEDA-SYRIAIA TERRORISTS, YESS SXCUMBALL ISLAMIC RADICAL TERRORISTS, NOT insurgents, as the pussy Media tries to make these assholes out as being!:saddam:theman

*Note the source* The Clinton News Network

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.main/index.html

[Trueblue]

SXCUMBALL

I don't even want to know what a sxcumball is!!!

[patriotsblade]

I just want to know what a Shite is.

[April15]

I just want to know what a Shite is.They be brown and soft. Kinda long but can just squat some times into a little "pile". One thing is for sure they don't smell good!

[The Q]

This is International, this is a Global issue, BUT it stomops all over the Liberal-Traitor bullshit of the Senate, so will it stay on this page??? The *SURGE*, the willingness of Iraqi's to see they need to UNITE and face the TRUE enemies IRAN-Al QAEDA-SYRIAIA TERRORISTS, YESS SXCUMBALL ISLAMIC RADICAL TERRORISTS, NOT insurgents, as the pussy Media tries to make these assholes out as being!:saddam:theman

*Note the source* The Clinton News Network

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.main/index.html

Ringo, if you don't get a clue, I'm going to send you to The Big House with the TOS and Posting Guidelines until you figure out what the fuck is going on around here.

Stop acting like a goddamn sissy. :waa

No one is trying to "get you". We simply have a forum for unmoderated political discussion so that heated topics can go there and burn themselves to the ground. Deal with it!

ADQ

[bluedog]

Ringo, if you don't get a clue, I'm going to send you to The Big House with the TOS and Posting Guidelines until you figure out what the fuck is going on around here.

Stop acting like a goddamn sissy. :waa

No one is trying to "get you". We simply have a forum for unmoderated political discussion so that heated topics can go there and burn themselves to the ground. Deal with it!

ADQ

I have a question for one that is practicing the faith of Islam as a Muslim....Why is the faith of Islam the only such faith that "condones" the action of Slavery in its scripted words as a basis belief and acceptance.....and how could any well informed Black person "endorse" such...I am not trying to be smart, I am just wondering....what the rational thought to logic is concerning this...you seem to be intelligent, perhaps you could shine some insight on this topic. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery

[patriotsblade]

BD, you have to be joking.
At the end of 19th century a shift in Muslim thought and interpretation of the Qur'an occurred, and slavery became seen as opposed to Islamic principles of justice and equality.[3]

That is from the very source you posted.

Why is the faith of Islam the only such faith that "condones" the action of Slavery in its scripted words as a basis belief and acceptance

HAVE YOU EVER READ ANY OF THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE?

[patriotsblade]

Here, I've done a little research for you BD, chew on these for a while.

Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession for ever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness.

Exodus 21:2,4
When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh he shall go free for nothing ... If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord.

[bluedog]

Here, I've done a little research for you BD, chew on these for a while.

And this proves what...that you are trying misdirect away form the the fact that Islam still condones and makes practice of the human trade in the some of the nations of Africa....as pointed out in the link provided by Wikipedia..

If you are any kind of student of NT scripts....you very well know that the practices of slavery were not condoned by Christians....they were told to accept their place thereof and still continue to worship God...this verse that you offered does not make actions of confirming that Christians condone slavery....as all the legalities of the OT laws and customs were nailed to the cross of Christ when the new covenant between Man and God was introduced with the sacrifice of the Christ as the perfect lamb of God...the OT ways that were contrary to man were indeed nailed to the cross.....(Colossians 2:14)

[patriotsblade]

BD, does Islam condone the practice of human trade or do perhaps some people who happen to identify themselves as muslims participate in human trafficking?

If that's your approach we can say Christianity condones the murder of abortion doctors or we can say some people who identify themselves as Christians participate in the murder of abortion doctors.

What you are doing here is not even a veiled attempt at painting all muslims with one very wide brush.

[patriotsblade]

And as to your contention that slavery was limited to OT doctrine and ceased to be accepted by the Christians of the NT.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

More:

Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Titus 2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Luke 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Matthew 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

[The Q]

I have a question for one that is practicing the faith of Islam as a Muslim....Why is the faith of Islam the only such faith that "condones" the action of Slavery in its scripted words as a basis belief and acceptance.....and how could any well informed Black person "endorse" such...I am not trying to be smart, I am just wondering....what the rational thought to logic is concerning this...you seem to be intelligent, perhaps you could shine some insight on this topic. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery

Because, like the bible, and every other book written in antiquity, it was not meant to capture a time and place and create all future societies based on exact replicas of it.

Slavery existed for thousands and thousands of years...as a fact.

Islam told the Muslims to treat their slaves fairly. It also teaches that people who voluntarily free their slaves were among the most righteous.

99.9% of Islamic scholars have ruled against slavery, based on the fact that it is no longer a societal necessity.

Just like the vast majority of Muslims no longer have more than one wife (a practice that was also common in biblical times).

Islam is a religion based on principles. To try to interpret it literally would be as asinine as trying to interpret the bible literally.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But the people who do it in any religion are, thankfully, a dying breed.


ADQ

[The Q]

Oh, and bluedog, my fuse is very short for assholes who read wikipedia and think they are Islamic scholars.

Considering that I've been a Muslim for 10 years, and I personally know Islamic scholars and Muslims from every corner of the globe, I think I have a pretty good grasp of what my religion condones and doesn't condone.

I have also read the bullshit Christian propaganda websites where they go through Islamic writings and pick out stuff that seems shocking and upsetting and work people up over it.

Trust me--compared to the old testament, the Qur'an is the Cat in the Hat.

ADQ

[patriotsblade]

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But the people who do it in any religion are, thankfully, a dying breed.


ADQ


I hope you're right Q, and if you are....they ain't dying fast enough.

[bluedog]

BD, does Islam condone the practice of human trade or do perhaps some people who happen to identify themselves as muslims participate in human trafficking?

If that's your approach we can say Christianity condones the murder of abortion doctors or we can say some people who identify themselves as Christians participate in the murder of abortion doctors.

What you are doing here is not even a veiled attempt at painting all muslims with one very wide brush.

A question that "I" have no authority to answer.....all I can tell you is that The Koran or Our'an in its fundamental practice as established in the 7th century by the self professed prophet Mohammed condones and makes action thereof. BD

[The Q]

A question that "I" have no authority to answer.....all I can tell you is that The Koran or Our'an in its fundamental practice as established in the 7th century by the self professed prophet Mohammed condones and makes action thereof. BD

Ok, thanks Mr. Peabody, for the trip in the Wayback Machine. :roll

ADQ

[Saguaro]

So many fools, so little time

[Saguaro]

A question that "I" have no authority to answer.....all I can tell you is that The Koran or Our'an in its fundamental practice as established in the 7th century by the self professed prophet Mohammed condones and makes action thereof. BD

The self appointed Joseph Smith,whoever started the Baptist religion,Martin Luther, and a host of others .The Roman Catholic religion is the only religion founded by Christ

[April15]

The self appointed Joseph Smith,whoever started the Baptist religion,Martin Luther, and a host of others .The Roman Catholic religion is the only religion founded by Christ
I thought it was the deciple paul who started catholism.

[The Q]

It was.
Modern Christianity has more to do with Paul's teachings than with Jesus'.

ADQ

[Trueblue]

Because, like the bible, and every other book written in antiquity, it was not meant to capture a time and place and create all future societies based on exact replicas of it.

Slavery existed for thousands and thousands of years...as a fact.

Islam told the Muslims to treat their slaves fairly. It also teaches that people who voluntarily free their slaves were among the most righteous.

99.9% of Islamic scholars have ruled against slavery, based on the fact that it is no longer a societal necessity.

Just like the vast majority of Muslims no longer have more than one wife (a practice that was also common in biblical times).

Islam is a religion based on principles. To try to interpret it literally would be as asinine as trying to interpret the bible literally.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But the people who do it in any religion are, thankfully, a dying breed.


ADQ

:clap

[Saguaro]

I thought it was the deciple paul who started catholism.


No no no, in the Catholic Bible it says that Jesus aid "This is Peter upon who I will build my church "

[Saguaro]

By the word "rock" the Saviour cannot have meant Himself, but only Peter, as is so much more apparent in Aramaic in which the same word (Kipha) is used for "Peter" and "rock". His statement then admits of but one explanation, namely, that He wishes to make Peter the head of the whole community of those who believed in Him as the true Messias; that through this foundation (Peter) the Kingdom of Christ would be unconquerable; that the spiritual guidance of the faithful was placed in the hands of Peter, as the special representative of Christ. This meaning becomes so much the clearer when we remember that the words "bind" and "loose" are not metaphorical, but Jewish juridical terms. It is also clear that the position of Peter among the other Apostles and in the Christian community was the basis for the Kingdom of God on earth, that is, the Church of Christ. Peter was personally installed as Head of the Apostles by Christ Himself. This foundation created for the Church by its Founder could not disappear with the person of Peter, but was intended to continue and did continue (as actual history shows) in the primacy of the Roman Church and its bishops.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm

[The Q]

Right, but if you look at the tenants of Christianity, they follow the teachings of Paul's writings a lot more than they follow the gospels.

Jesus taught universal truths--he didn't specifically set out doctrine. That came later.

ADQ

[Saguaro]

Paul was a bit on the crazy side

[The Q]

:lmao

I like ol' Paul. I always picture him as this short, bald guy full of piss and vinegar.

ADQ

[Saguaro]

Paul did NOT like women at all !

[Trueblue]

Paul is who aggressively brought the Gospel message to Gentiles, but...he's no Jesus, KWIM?

[The Q]

Well, duh.

Women have always had a shit deal.

Did you know even the Buddha had to be persuaded to let women join the monastic order in his time? And even when they did, they had less status and more hoops to jump through.

You mark my words, people. Women have been oppressed for a long, long time. The pendulum is starting (slowly) to swing the other way. Women WILL reclaim their rightful place as the leaders of society and religion. Maybe not in my lifetime, but within 500 years.

ADQ

[The Q]

Paul is who aggressively brought the Gospel message to Gentiles, but...he's no Jesus, KWIM?

:theman


ADQ

[Saguaro]

Women want to save the world, men just want to save their nation

[April15]

I didn't think catholics were started by Jesus, but by one of his decipels. I get the names mixed up a lot.

[toxic]

Well, duh.

Women have always had a shit deal.

Did you know even the Buddha had to be persuaded to let women join the monastic order in his time? And even when they did, they had less status and more hoops to jump through.

You mark my words, people. Women have been oppressed for a long, long time. The pendulum is starting (slowly) to swing the other way. Women WILL reclaim their rightful place as the leaders of society and religion. Maybe not in my lifetime, but within 500 years.

ADQ

Nope. I think most women are far too reasonable and adapable. They aren't oppressed, they just have a different set of skills and learning experiences.

IMO, Early in their life, they find they can get anything they want with sex. Plus, sex also gets all tangled up with maternal instincts.

While women are learning they can get most anything with sex, men are learning they must be manipulative to get sex. This sets to sexes on two opposite learning paths.

I think the woman's path is a dead end for power. Rather than learning aggression, they learn to adapt and use. I think brute agression and using people are very different, yet may seem to be yielding the same results in the interim.

I think the pendulum has swung as far away from brute froce as it ever has. Clearly, if China is the leader for the next century, they will have to go a long way to even get to where the USA is in women's rights.

I still think the women of Sparta are your role models if you want to become like men. When women start cutting off their own breasts again, to match male performance, then I might think a change is near and might re-evalutate.