View Full Version : Pelosi not offended by photo....
Melissa l
09-29-2007, 05:05 PM
The House Speaker of the United States and a Catholic herself was not offended by the piece of trash photo that was made blaspheming the Lord's Supper and one of the most precious visions in the Christian faith. When does first amendment rights stop and obsenity rules began? Its a hate crime to burn the Koran but its not a hate crime to demean and blasphem anything that has to do with the Christian faith.........
patriotsblade
09-29-2007, 05:13 PM
The painting of the last supper is a work by Leonardo DaVinci, not a religious relic or religious text. Get over it.
Melissa l
09-29-2007, 05:31 PM
The painting of the last supper is a work by Leonardo DaVinci, not a religious relic or religious text. Get over it.
Well, my goodness, there's a flat, ahistoric view for ya!
:aliens:aliens:aliens
April15
09-29-2007, 05:34 PM
Well, my goodness, there's a flat, ahistoric view for ya!
:aliens:aliens:aliensRealistic view too! That Pelosi even dignified the question with a reply is more than needed.
Lone Laugher
09-29-2007, 05:46 PM
Waaaaa! Waaaaa! Sumbody is making fun of my rewijun! Waaaaa! Dats no fair...I get weld at when I say stuff about Muswims...Waaaa!
patriotsblade
09-29-2007, 06:12 PM
Waaaaa! Waaaaa! Sumbody is making fun of my rewijun! Waaaaa! Dats no fair...I get weld at when I say stuff about Muswims...Waaaa!
LOL
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So, let me get this straight (sorry for the unintended, but humbly acknowledged, pun) ... the context (commissioning) and history (hundreds of thousands of faithful Christians who have hung this painting as icon in their homes and places of worship) of this work of art have nothing whatsoever (thus the ahistorical) to do with how we should honor or dishonor its "meaning" for today.
Well ... this will come as quite the surprise, not only to people of various faith traditions, but also to art historians, who typically analyze the impact of art by tracing its influences and influence.
Moreover, that folk who claim (by membership on this board) to have a more than average interest in all things concerning the body politic would take such an ahistoric view suggests (to me at least) that there is, at the very least, a bit of subterfuge concerning motives relating to this topic afoot ...:ninja:ninja:ninja
While I am at "it," let me also add that, though I have not traced the etymology of this advertisement, it would appear that it's the child (or target), of the gay male community, to which I, as a lesbian, can only say, "shame on you."
Melissa l
09-29-2007, 07:06 PM
From the sound of most of your post's, most of you guy's don't hold anything sacred, so grave desecration probably wouldn't bother you either. After all its just dead people right??? But somebody starts waving a Confederate Battle Flag, or singing Dixie and you folks get your panties in a wad. Or if Charlton Heston holds up a replica rifle and says "from my cold dead hands mr. gore", you could hear the cries and screams of horror from the libs from coast to coast...... You guy's would be pathetic if you were not so darn funny!!!!!!
quiet man
09-29-2007, 07:32 PM
does the speakers ability to know a hoax photo mean the whole last supper painting doesn't mean anything? i don't think so!
Lone Laugher
09-29-2007, 07:42 PM
Holding things "sacred" requires that one believe in and worship some higher power. What you cannot grasp is that many of us find the belief in "god" inconsistent with reality. It is all simply a well-told fairy tale. Destroyed graves and confederate flags, on the other hand, are real. They will, as such, ilicit a response from most thinking people.
Holding things "sacred" requires that one believe in and worship some higher power. What you cannot grasp is that many of us find the belief in "god" inconsistent with reality. It is all simply a well-told fairy tale. Destroyed graves and confederate flags, on the other hand, are real. They will, as such, ilicit a response from most thinking people.
Actually, as my argument concerning art historians makes clear, faith or nonfaith is not the issue ... an historical perspective, however, is ...
Lone Laugher
09-29-2007, 07:54 PM
Your argument concerning art historians was anything BUT clear.
patriotsblade
09-29-2007, 07:59 PM
From the sound of most of your post's, most of you guy's don't hold anything sacred, so grave desecration probably wouldn't bother you either. After all its just dead people right??? But somebody starts waving a Confederate Battle Flag, or singing Dixie and you folks get your panties in a wad. Or if Charlton Heston holds up a replica rifle and says "from my cold dead hands mr. gore", you could hear the cries and screams of horror from the libs from coast to coast...... You guy's would be pathetic if you were not so darn funny!!!!!!
You really want to put your sacred DaVinci painting on the same pedestal with the Conferderate flag and a gun? Oh boy, why am I not surprised?
It's a nice painting, but not a sacred item. Confederate flag has become an object of hate, instead of the icon of heritage that us southerns believe it to be. Graves . . . why are they sacred? It's a box under six feet of dirt - the person isn't there, they've gone on - graves are simply a way to fleece the living out of a bunch of money.
Now don't be messing with my guns . . . that's real! :mw
Sacred, hate, and love are all emotions and conceptions in the eye's of the beholder. If you believe that "graves are simply a box under six feet of dirt", maybe a trip to Arlington, or Normandy supervised by a veteran of our Armed Forces might change your mind on the subject.
Your argument concerning art historians was anything BUT clear.
Oh, my, poor you ... :)
I've been to Arlington and Gettysburg . . . . Those people aren't there either. I see those graveyards the same way that I will view the Viet Nam Memorial. A view of the number of people who died for a cause. Yes, it's a visual impact . . . and a very moving one at that.
But I'd rather sit down and TALK to a real Vet and hear what they went through. That makes more of an impact to hear the stories and how crappy they were treated when they came home (in the case of the VN Vets).
For those who get upset over the so-called "Desecration" of a picture, yet don't lend a hand, or even an ear, to HUMANS who fought to keep this country going, nor do they take any actions to see that our Vets get the treatment or even RESPECT that they have earned, are really missing the point of Christianity.
BTW to consider the picture of "The Last Supper" as something "sacred" violates the Second Commandment -
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
BTW to consider the picture of "The Last Supper" as something "sacred" violates the Second Commandment -
Good points, BUT ...
1. I have never worshiped anything or anyone but God. That doesn't mean there are therefore no sacred things or rites. In fact, I'm on my way to worship this morning and many pieces of art and liturgy will help me worship God. As such, I value them.
2. The Easter Orthodox Churches make extensive use of icons to facilitate the same worship of God and while the Protestant tradition tends to sneer at such, I think such (sneering) is uninformed.
Let me add, though, that I've violated quite a few of those commandments and thank God s/he pours out his/her mercy upon me nevertheless.
Lone Laugher
09-30-2007, 08:43 AM
Oh, my, poor you ... :)
Your comments regarding art historians:
"So, let me get this straight (sorry for the unintended, but humbly acknowledged, pun) ... the context (commissioning) and history (hundreds of thousands of faithful Christians who have hung this painting as icon in their homes and places of worship) of this work of art have nothing whatsoever (thus the ahistorical) to do with how we should honor or dishonor its "meaning" for today.
Well ... this will come as quite the surprise, not only to people of various faith traditions, but also to art historians, who typically analyze the impact of art by tracing its influences and influence.
Moreover, that folk who claim (by membership on this board) to have a more than average interest in all things concerning the body politic would take such an ahistoric view suggests (to me at least) that there is, at the very least, a bit of subterfuge concerning motives relating to this topic afoot ..."
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So, let me try (as in attempt, not hear evidence) to explain, in words that I foolishly think the readers ( members of this board) may not comprehend, why your comments were ( to this person ) unclear.
Well, you may be surprised to learn that many people, including any art historians who may read this forum, who trace art's influences AND influence, may find your comments pretentious, in addition to being of a halting style that is far from fluent in nature.
Moreover, use of the terms "folk", "body politic", "subterfuge" and "afoot" in one small paragraph has been proven to cause cranial explosion among readers....you pompous ass!
Oceanbreeze
09-30-2007, 10:06 AM
From the sound of most of your post's, most of you guy's don't hold anything sacred, so grave desecration probably wouldn't bother you either. After all its just dead people right??? But somebody starts waving a Confederate Battle Flag, or singing Dixie and you folks get your panties in a wad. Or if Charlton Heston holds up a replica rifle and says "from my cold dead hands mr. gore", you could hear the cries and screams of horror from the libs from coast to coast...... You guy's would be pathetic if you were not so darn funny!!!!!!
Excellent post. I would give you points, if I knew how! :theman
Oceanbreeze
09-30-2007, 10:09 AM
It's a nice painting, but not a sacred item. Confederate flag has become an object of hate, instead of the icon of heritage that us southerns believe it to be. Graves . . . why are they sacred? It's a box under six feet of dirt - the person isn't there, they've gone on - graves are simply a way to fleece the living out of a bunch of money.
Now don't be messing with my guns . . . that's real! :mw
Excellent post...again I would give points if knew how!
I never saw the picture, but it's OK to ruin the "Last Supper" but not that of the Muslim religion? What am I not getting here?? :mike
ElKarlo
09-30-2007, 07:59 PM
Many of my relitives are catholic and they have that painting on the wall but it is just a painting. With the current situation in America we have to be more tolerant towards muslims, they are a minority here. Im sure Bush loving christians thinks it okay to destroy a koran but its a hate crime to do so. Because there is more christians and they rule the country it is protest to destroy their symbols, not hate.
April15
09-30-2007, 09:12 PM
While the only thing I hold sacred is my dick, the whole question of art and queers and god just don't seem to make a bit of difference to the conscience of this person. As for the southern flag I could care less about the survivors of Sherman's march. If you wish to hold it dear go for it. Like the swastika it has a taint to it.
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